The Syndicate

Ok, got it:

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:03 am Whatever, I'll take that as a claim, now you can discuss about this. I think that there are 2 scum, and on even nights, junko's turn for attacking comes up. Scum can still multi-task, so I thought that when it is an even night, Junko hopped off me in order to roleblock the person that she'd decide to kill. Seems like a dumb theory because there are lots of variables like the bussing girl, but I can't explain why I got roleblocked only on odd nights.

How do you even know you are getting roleblocked, and how do you think Junko would know to roleblock you, assuming you have some great-to-block role?

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:55 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:07 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:21 am Cooooooooo! (Btw there was a correct answer to the question Okosan was asking. If you sussed people on the counterwagon on TSP it would've looked better for you also. Sussing what is essentially just Okosan isn't the correct answer there)

Well I don't have the brain of a pigeon so I guess our minds work differently. Claiming that there's a correct answer is bull.

Coooo? (Sorry let Okosan rephrase. There were a variety of answers that would work there to lesson Okosan's susicion of you as what you claim your susses are would line up with your actions in thread. Saying your only main sus is Okosan makes no sense with how you voted and acted last day phase)

You are my current main sus. That doesn't mean you've been there all game. Reads develop and change. And I didn't have anything particularly strong against Rej, but I don't have the ego to tell the thread that everyone's suspicion is wrong, and mine is right. I've been wrong too many times to be that way, and frankly my suspicion of you is pretty weak-ass as well. I voted Rej for the reason I said, and because I trust that there are better, more devoted town players than me, and that their suspicions might be more valid than my own.

Like I said, this line of thinking is not going to lead to a good conclusion. My playstyle here is pretty average for me. I'm not usually a strong detective, I'm more of a gut player. My gut says that your case against me is based on contrived conclusions, not logically solid ones, and that it's because you are bad.

And what's this talk about you being the "easy lynch"? Has anyone else even suspected you lately? You have a lot of votes today? Yesterday? This appeal to emotion doesn't help you in my eyes.

And I guess I missed tedxtr's explanation of asking about the roleblocks, so (since I just arrived home from work; was posting from work bathroom earlier) I should have a look. I thought I saw him telling roleblocked people to claim their roles. If that's true, huge red flag for me. No way I would tell my role, sounds like a great way to line up a big Soup Kill for Monokuma.

Even asking about roleblocks is suspicious, because it allows Monokuma to narrow down some things, since some roles have abilities that can be blocked, and some don't.

I really see this whole exercise as some sort of lame low-hanging fruit trap, which doesn't help my opinion of your alignment.

Tedxtr, I said I was roleblocked and you didn't seem to care, why don't you care about that anymore?

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:21 am Cooooooooo! (Btw there was a correct answer to the question Okosan was asking. If you sussed people on the counterwagon on TSP it would've looked better for you also. Sussing what is essentially just Okosan isn't the correct answer there)

Well I don't have the brain of a pigeon so I guess our minds work differently. Claiming that there's a correct answer is bull.

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:11 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:02 pm I'll add my [VOTE: rej] aubergine because vote fuckery is clearly out there.

COO! COOOO! (In fact this post implies that you also sussed Rej, when apparently your other sus Okosan has been pushing Rej for multiple days now? How does that add up?)

You're not going to arrive at any tangible conclusion here besides some preordained tunnel-confirmation.

Yup. Your point?

I don't have any other strong suspicions. tedxtr would be the other lynch I'd like to see.

I just think you are being false in your reasons for suspecting me, and that it's motivated by your evil alignment. Even this, right now, this little game you are playing, is extremely suspect to me.

I wasn't joking.

Ok, I suspect Okosan.

Okosan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:40 am COOO! (@Long Con who do you scum read? This is pretty important)

Before I answer, why is it "pretty important"?

I believe I was roleblocked last night. I was not informed by pm, just, my thing didn't happen.

TH is Tired with me now though. Thanks, TH!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:07 pm Long Con’s the only one voting “Tired” in the poll. Got ‘em.

I thought the same thing.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:24 am Let's lynch ddl again and see what happens

I am down with that.

I'll add my [VOTE: rej] aubergine because vote fuckery is clearly out there.

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:55 pm Coooooo! (Also there's the fact that just in general all you've done is give scum reads or suspicion but Okosan doesn't remember a single town read you've given)

That's the opposite of likely baddie behavior, though.

Rej wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:41 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:19 pm [VOTE: Rej] aubergine


If this flips red, lynch Long Con next

and if green?

I bet I know the answer!

What time is the lynch up?

Ok, I found the Much-Discussed Question. It was "Do you have any other susses?", on Day Three.

I imagine that, if I had answered then, I would have said "not really". For all I knew there were only two baddies at the time, and DDL was potentially roleblocked indefinitely.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:07 pm I don’t want my words to be misconstrued as “I think Jack was bad.” I just raised the point that there is one player in the game who will reveal as civilian upon death despite being recruited. Tedxter has given us reason to think that player is still alive.

Right! Right... got carried away there.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:55 pm What's up with the Turnip Head voters? These guys are sketchy. Turnip Head is a great guy to have in a game, and unearned votes on Day 1 are not what he deserves.

I mean, look at exactly what I posted, Okosan. My intentions were pretty clear here, save Turnip Head from that travesty.

It will be funny if he's Junko.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:41 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:37 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:29 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:27 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:26 pm Coo! (Long Con if that post reads scummy to you why aren't you pushing Okosan as the lynch right now? You know that Ted wants to lynch Okosan to begin with and that other people in this game have expressed that they wouldn't be opposed to it. Are you afraid of the attention it would get you if you try to pivot away from one of the main wagons going on right now? Because it seems to Okosan like you just want to spread paranoia and mistrust right now.)

COOOOOO! (On top of that, you still haven't answered Okosan's question from a while before about your Jack push)

HEY check out the post above bird

Coooooo! (Alright double checked. None of your posts just now address any of Okosan's post here)

Coo!! (No rebuttal. So sad )

I think his point was that he’s currently catching up and posting things as he has thoughts. Which is to say he’s not entirely present right now. Let’s give him a moment to be here.

Thank you. Also made my kids' dinner in that interval.

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:51 pm Cooo! (Ohhhhh was LC saying he needs to catch up not that he responded? Okosan completely misread that then. Okosan thought LC was saying he answered that post in an above post)

No, I still am catching up. Now I have to research your posts and see what Jack question you're talking about. Maybe you could actually quote something because I'm not really a maximum effort kind of player and looking up your vague references is a crappy use of my time.

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:13 pm Long Con - Coooooooo? (Same as Okosan mentioned in the original response, Okosan felt that early in the game Long Con was just throwing sus around on people to see what stuck, and to cause paranoia. One example, again, being where he said all the people voting for Turnip Head was sketchy but not following through with it at all. Looking back through Long Con's posts just now Okosan also noticed a few things like one, LC tried to delay DDL's lynch by a day. Two, claimed he didn't know how to town read people, and yet he's been scum reading people just fun. Three, he pushed this bs world of Jack being scum and never answered Okosan's question following up on that. Mysteriously disappearing at the end of day to just let that lynch go through. LC is just mega scum and probably scum that was converted early)

I like Turnip Head. He's an old friend, and he hadn't done anything to deserve being in the lynch lead. So I hit back on his behalf. Didn't plan to follow through, just getting people off TH.

I don't remember trying to delay DDL's lynch for a day. Sounds weird, I agree.

" Two, claimed he didn't know how to town read people, and yet he's been scum reading people just fun." I assume you meant "fine"? Or was it "for fun"? Either way, I can't really respond to such a nebulous and unsupported accusation. Like, am I supposed to now ISO myself to see what you're actually talking about?

I thought Jack was a likely scum, and some people still think that's true despite his flip. And the end of the day had someone else in the lead, so I don't get how "mysteriously disappearing" (going to work? What day was that?) has anything to do. There was mysterious vote fuckery, and it wasn't me.

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:29 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:27 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:26 pm Coo! (Long Con if that post reads scummy to you why aren't you pushing Okosan as the lynch right now? You know that Ted wants to lynch Okosan to begin with and that other people in this game have expressed that they wouldn't be opposed to it. Are you afraid of the attention it would get you if you try to pivot away from one of the main wagons going on right now? Because it seems to Okosan like you just want to spread paranoia and mistrust right now.)

COOOOOO! (On top of that, you still haven't answered Okosan's question from a while before about your Jack push)

HEY check out the post above bird

Coooooo! (Alright double checked. None of your posts just now address any of Okosan's post here)

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:56 pm Long Con

BRO are you saying I wronged you in a previous game, and I'm foremost on your list? Say it ain't so!

I found one thing that looked scummy it doesn't mean I'm thirsting for your blood. Are you always this reactive??

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:26 pm Coo! (Long Con if that post reads scummy to you why aren't you pushing Okosan as the lynch right now? You know that Ted wants to lynch Okosan to begin with and that other people in this game have expressed that they wouldn't be opposed to it. Are you afraid of the attention it would get you if you try to pivot away from one of the main wagons going on right now? Because it seems to Okosan like you just want to spread paranoia and mistrust right now.)

COOOOOO! (On top of that, you still haven't answered Okosan's question from a while before about your Jack push)

HEY check out the post above bird

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:52 pm

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:30 pm I’ll push us forward a little more because this day phase is not progressing with the energy I’d hoped:
Junko (the nightly roleblocker) is actually Mukuro Ikusaba. They were automatically recruited night 1, they know monukuma’s identity, share his win condition, and reveals as civilian upon death. They also have or had a 1-shot nightkill to be used at any time during the game.

This is why I say it’s “possible” Jack was actually mafia.

This means that the first person to be recruited was essentially mafia from the beginning. They may not necessarily have known DDL was their partner/boss at the time, but they were aware that they’d be recruited from the outset. I have been looking at player ISOs to see who demonstrated an apparent eagerness to understand the recruitment mechanisms and such: anyone who appeared quizzical about that was probably not the auto-recruit.

But it’s also possible that this player is already dead and flipped civilian. We can’t really know without other secrets coming into play to help us out.

There goes my there aren't really any mafia members just a shit ton of LMS people with one kill shot running around.

I can't believe you got a kill shot.

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:19 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:17 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:08 pm Coooo! Coooo! (Lol if you'd just want a few minutes you'd get a nice long reads list. Okosan just wanted to get some pressure out there first )

This post reads scummy to me. Probably from memories of myself as scum saying the exact same thing in a past game, and getting caught for it.

COOOO! (The feeling when your scum read continues to do the exact thing that you called them out for in your reads list)

Shoo, pigeon! I'm posting as I catch up!

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:19 pm [VOTE: Rej] aubergine


If this flips red, lynch Long Con next

That is seriously fucked up. What's the connection there?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:31 pm I was roleblocked last night. Jack wasn’t it.

You get told you were blocked, or that your action failed, or what? I don't know if that's a question you're allowed to answer, but I'd like to know how certain you are.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:17 pm

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:08 pm Coooo! Coooo! (Lol if you'd just want a few minutes you'd get a nice long reads list. Okosan just wanted to get some pressure out there first )

This post reads scummy to me. Probably from memories of myself as scum saying the exact same thing in a past game, and getting caught for it.

Why did past-LC say these things? What was the context?

Baddie in need of a reason to get involved and put a vote down to blend in.

Okosan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:08 pm Coooo! Coooo! (Lol if you'd just want a few minutes you'd get a nice long reads list. Okosan just wanted to get some pressure out there first )

This post reads scummy to me. Probably from memories of myself as scum saying the exact same thing in a past game, and getting caught for it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:26 pm LC, TSP, or TH would've killed Sloonie.

I love it, man, you always include me on a list of people who would try unorthodox crazyshit. You're goddamn right. But it wasn't me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:44 am Question for everyone: did you consider me a suspect prior to today?

Yes.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:43 am A sloon kill but a different type of one huh

Does it surprise you that your latest recruit would choose Sloonei?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:04 pm I could see LC trying to get himself recruited also.

I hadn't read this post when I wrote the one above. Delightful!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:42 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:38 pm If you're town, just play for the sake of winning the game for town and not for a potential moment when you'll be converted, please.

I mean yeah but

There's an invincible unbeatable cult leader

We will all die or be subsumed

We either die town or live long enough to become despair

So how does a townie win? Because 'survive' implies an end to the madness, and I don't see it in the rules yet

How do the students win in the show? DO they win? How does it end?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:38 pm If you're town, just play for the sake of winning the game for town and not for a potential moment when you'll be converted, please.

I gotta be honest, that's tough. The ability to PM Monokuma is just so... tempting. I could just... tell him my role, and ask for recruitment. Who knows?

BUT I just don't know if that would simply become my disadvantage and downfall. Maybe Monokuma would just save up info for a final glorious Soup Kill, laughing at the fools who tried to sell their souls, and lost everything instead. And that's just the known risk. We don't even know his Win Condition. It might not even be Mafia-aligned, and we, good and evil, are all just pawns.

I'm down with bad, scum, wolf, mafia, baddie, evildoer, murderer, and any more creative terms.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:21 am I think you guys lynched one of the sick PRs.

Pfft. If he was so powerful, then he should have survived a puny lynch like that.

Um... I didn't do that.

Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:41 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2020 2:11 pm
Rule 10 Headmaster Monokuma will not help or impede students in trying to graduate.

COOOOO! (Depending on how much this covers DDL might not have been able to suggest that to mafia since that would be helping them gain cred to survive to the end. But this rule is very vague)

Yeah, that's a weird rule... what is graduating? Winning?

Argh. No. Jack of Hearts is a schemer. We're supposed to believe that he just *realized* it was DDL from a PM? We lynched DDL and he survived, like he knew he would. Like he knew when he was plotting with Jack. "Sure, out me, it doesn't really matter," says DDL. "You'll get cred for it!"

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

RIP Dom. I wouldn't kill Dom. He's an old friend.

There's no angle of "who would Monokuma choose" because we don't know everyone's role. So that's a delicious hunting aspect that we just don't get to enjoy this game.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:27 am [VOTE: Sloonei ] aubergine

Sloonei / sig / fayt / okosan

Set on all of these, @ me if you town read anyone of them + reasons

I don't really know how to "town read" in this situation. I mean, for some percentage of at least most of those players, they were town. Are we looking for behavioral changes as a major priority then?

Or should we judge players based on whether they are likely to have contacted the bear to arrange an advantageous recruitment?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:58 pm If I was mozzarella bear I’d spend the day acting like I know how to catch mozzarella bear.

Oh I just stumbled upon this gem

I remember that one. What does it mean to you?