The Syndicate

Hey! I'm just going through some posts and I want to set something straight. If you didn't get a "let's make a deal" PM from me back when I thought it was Last Man Standing, it's not because I don't like you or I forgot our rich history as Mafia comrades. My plan was to try and make a deal with everyone. Genius, right? I just hadn't gotten around to most of the PMs yet.

I know this messes with my ability to go through with that plan next LMS game, but that's fine. New strategies can grow from that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:23 pm I think this has been a good Day 1 so far.
I have like waaaay many null reads, and lots of people aren't talking - so meh.

I meant it has been fun and funny and interesting.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:32 pm@LC, Am I right in assuming that you offered the deal to Epi before you knew this was not an LMS game? Or no?

That is correct.

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:18 pmAs for LC, maybe I'm not voting for him because part of this whole thing has been to see how people react. While it isn't enough for my to even raise an eyebrow at her, I'm a touch surprised that SVS took as much suspicion from my play as she has, but then again, I don't play much these days and I'm certainly being a bit more glib than my usual cautious, mopey way, lol, so maybe that's all it is?

I think the glibness could be a cherished hallmark of this game when it's all over.

Whoever is posting only in haikus or whatever, I'm not reading your posts, so I hope you aren't actually trying to play that way for realz.

I super-love you for this post. "Haikus". You are my hero.

I think this has been a good Day 1 so far.

Do something infamous.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:38 pm Couple'a real saucy boys getting good and saucy.

Saucy like a chicken wing?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:25 pm We do not have a deal, Epignosis. I'm not dealing with someone I can't trust.
Whom can you trust, LC?

I don't know who I can trust. I do know that I can trust the majority of the people out there at this time. I also know that I cannot trust you.

Lame, you used "thought" instead of "though", so I can't really make sense of your post.

Doesn't matter, you directly and intentionally betrayed my trust when you brought my PM into the thread as a weapon against me.

What the hell are you even accepting a deal like that for, in a regular Mafia game? At least I have an excuse. You knew it was regular Mafia all along, and you still accepted the deal.

We do not have a deal, Epignosis. I'm not dealing with someone I can't trust.

Ricochet, are you going for a straight-up OMGUS strategy on purpose?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:47 pm I'm going to sheep LC's vote instead, because we're bffs and I'd like to hide behind his vote since Epi is giving me so much pressure. Wink wink.

I'm smellin' a new deal coming on... and it smells great!

I'm going to place a vote on Epignosis.

a) because he's sketchy and/or hypocritical regarding making deals. Compare, if you will:

Epignosis wrote:Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:24 pm
Long Con wrote:Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:53 pm How about some sort of alliance, or perhaps a mutual non-voting clause until Final... Five?
Works for me.

^^ That's what he said when I PMed him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:50 pm...LC tried to get me in a deal with not voting for him, and that's fine if he believes this is a last man standing game, which I hope it is not, because those are not fucking Mafia games, and they should stop calling them Mafia, but my role gives me the slim hope that there are mafia to find, and I'm not interested in making vague deals with people, especially if those people make them with everybody and their brother and then everybody again behind the brother's back.

^^ That's what he said publicly. And being two-faced is bad enough, but he tried to use it to invoke suspicion on me.

b) because I already asked him to comment on this, and patiently waited for him to come back and do just that, and he ignored it.

I don't have an LMS role. I have a Civ role. My mind just read the "vanilla" part and didn't process the "civ" part as a "civ-vs-mafia" thing because I wasn't in that mindset. Like, we're all Civvies in a LMS game, you know?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:32 pmEither way, NO, I do not think LC knew he was anti-town and chose to play like this. I think he just missed that he is not civilian and/or is an LMS role and goofed in thinking that that was the norm.

Ok, Mr Smart Guy. If I am an LMS-type role and just got confused by that, then why did I say this in the sign-up thread:

Long Con wrote:No, not like that - open BTSC makes for epic alliances and epic betrayals, and I don't want to get my heart broken again.

It's obvious I was thinking it was LMS from the get-go. "Epic alliances and epic betrayals" isn't really the tagline for a regular Mafia game, open BTSC or not.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:30 pm [snip]

I lurv you, btw. Let's be friends and never vote each other before Day 5. \o/

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:38 pm[snip]

I did PM a couple of other folks, with basically the same offer. But those offers are not really valid anymore, because it's not a LMS game. I do like Dizzy's friendly attitude about it though. I guess I'll refrain from voting Dizzy for the first five days. (Although my offer was more like "until we're in the Final Five"... a concept that isn't the same in a regular Mafia game).

Well, Dizzy, here's the exchange. It's not a "thing about me not voting you", so much as you saying "Let's be friends and never vote each other before Day 5. \o/" and me saying "Sure, why not". What part of our earlier exchange is giving you trouble? Why am I the one "clearing it up"? You were there. You clear it up for me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:04 pmI'm not upset. Your PM to me mentioned nothing about me being upset.

I was paraphrasing from memory. Looking now, I included a line like "I'm not trying to act like a deal we made doesn't matter", and "I'm not totally sure what your response indicates". I am confident in saying that your level of reading comprehension would give you the indication that I took your response to be a negative one.

What about the other thing? You agreed easily to the first deal, and now you act as though you're anti-deals. That's not the most trust-inspiring behaviour.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:50 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:29 pmLong Con had his own team kill him once.

I don't need to describe a theory that "works for me."
You need to describe it if you want to work together with people. If you don't want that that's your choice. But you leave a lot to be desired for me to understand where you are coming from.

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I will ask everyone: What do you all think about what you gather Epi's theory is?
If I want to work together with people? I thought this was LMS.

Oh wait. No I didn't. Heh.

Look, I get people lynched for less than this. I make a good point, and people come in and go, "Epi makes a great point" and they vote. It's how it goes. I don't have to describe anything in this scenario, because I think people are just hoping to survive for a while.

Look! You already have two votes. More than anybody else.

If you must have something from me, here's this: I don't buy LC publicly affirming his deal with you while privately offering it to me (for a second time, this time saying that no one has to know about it). I flat out told him my opinion of him depended on your alignment. I am not making deals with devils who have too many hooves in the cookie jar. LC tried to get me in a deal with not voting for him, and that's fine if he believes this is a last man standing game, which I hope it is not, because those are not fucking Mafia games, and they should stop calling them Mafia, but my role gives me the slim hope that there are mafia to find, and I'm not interested in making vague deals with people, especially if those people make them with everybody and their brother and then everybody again behind the brother's back.

Jeez, you're impossible. I said that the deals were not valid because it's not LMS, and you spout some ominous shit at me. So I PM you and say "Hey fine, if you're upset, then we can have a deal. I didn't mean anything by it." Then you come in here and just throw it in my face like I'm trying to fucking do some double-dealing shit.

I don't know what alignment Dyslexicon is, obviously I can't win by voting for her though. If she's Civ, I helped lynch a Civ. If she's bad, then Epi leads the mislynch on LC. Great setup already.

You think I'm the one with a hoof in the cookie jar? You agreed to the original deal despite knowing it isn't Last Man Standing... and now you come in here and preach and huff about how you're "not interested in making vague deals with people".

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:02 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:59 pm My catch-up took all of about 3 minutes, but when I read my role PM it made it pretty clear that I'm a good guy, thus I too am skeptical of LC not knowing there were civs and others in the game. Barring developments, that is a pretty sizeable Day 1 ping.
Really? Mine was two words, after a series of short, staccato sentences describing my character briefly, under a picture bigger than the text line.
I've never played an INH game... does he vary the tone and format of role PMs from player to player?

Why, did yours look so different?

Also, my role PM didn't lead me to believe it was LMS. It was the open BTSC, and the length of time the Syndicate was down. I just came back thinking I knew it was LMS, and went with it.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:59 pm My catch-up took all of about 3 minutes, but when I read my role PM it made it pretty clear that I'm a good guy, thus I too am skeptical of LC not knowing there were civs and others in the game. Barring developments, that is a pretty sizeable Day 1 ping.

Really? Mine was two words, after a series of short, staccato sentences describing my character briefly, under a picture bigger than the text line.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:37 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:35 pm So, DH, have you had any BTSC with anyone yet? Make any Negan deals?
I dunno. Have I?

I am not the one with the required information to answer that question accurately. I believe that you are the best candidate to answer this one.

So, DH, have you had any BTSC with anyone yet? Make any Negan deals?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:38 pm I PMed Dizzy because we were online at the same time.

I didn't PM DH because I didn't plan to make a deal with him, because I was a fool to think we had an understanding in Survivor, and died the death of a buffoon because of it.

I did PM a couple of other folks, with basically the same offer. But those offers are not really valid anymore, because it's not a LMS game. I do like Dizzy's friendly attitude about it though. I guess I'll refrain from voting Dizzy for the first five days. (Although my offer was more like "until we're in the Final Five"... a concept that isn't the same in a regular Mafia game).

Don't act so surprised.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:21 pm This is a Last Man Standing game, right? So why give someone protection?

And that question didn't even need to be asked. The only relevant question is: what the hell good is a Public Protection? It will not stop a kill.

I will probably vote to restrict someone's BTSC. I think being competitive is a healthier attitude in an LMS game.

I sent the PM to Dizzy after I posted this, and before the next post had been posted. Sent: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:22:25 pm EST to be exact.

I PMed Dizzy because we were online at the same time.

I didn't PM DH because I didn't plan to make a deal with him, because I was a fool to think we had an understanding in Survivor, and died the death of a buffoon because of it.

I did PM a couple of other folks, with basically the same offer. But those offers are not really valid anymore, because it's not a LMS game. I do like Dizzy's friendly attitude about it though. I guess I'll refrain from voting Dizzy for the first five days. (Although my offer was more like "until we're in the Final Five"... a concept that isn't the same in a regular Mafia game).

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:48 amAnywho, I'm voting for two lynch votes because I love lynch drama. I'm also voting for red cedar because I've always enjoyed the aroma of cedar wood.

Jesus, I thought that was a title mechanism choice, as unchoosable to us as the "--------------------------------------" part. Like, that was telling us there are two choices within the current poll. *hits head* Stop being dense, me!

Hey you can't just Rush in here and

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:25 am I actually think I believe LC in that he didn't see his role in his PM first. He described it, and it checks out. Cautiously optimistic.

For the record, I know Dizzy means that I didn't see my alignment within my role PM.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:21 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:15 am P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
Is that, like, a Blue Velvet thing?
If my mainstream knowledge from that hip new fa dangled thing called "Snapchat" serves me right, it's this YouTube channel that's just full of weird stuff.

It's not even Blue Velvet roleplaying?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:15 am P O P P Y I'm Poppy!

Is that, like, a Blue Velvet thing?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 10:34 pm Hmm. Perhaps LC is independent, then? If he didn't realize/his PM didn't indicate his alignment or gave him some sort of indie win condition?

I like trees. I don't want to chop them up. But I'll have to pick one I guess. And the event... yeah public protection doesn't seem like it makes sense, but then again it does ensure that player won't die but it pretty much ensures that someone else will be targeted and likely die (rather than have a chance of protecting the right person, as non-public protections can). The BTSC block might be better though, especially if we already suspect that someone (e.g. LC) may have ulterior anti-town motives in attempts to contact people.

Go ahead and block me from BTSC if you like. It's much less crucial if this is a regular Civ-vs-Mafia game. I'm not Indie, I just didn't notice the alignment-indicator at the end of my Character-description.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:43 pm You probably thought I was dead. But I am alive. For now.

Like the clown in Billy Madison.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:24 pm Like, there's not Town and Mafia going on, it's every person for themselves, lynch until there's one winner?
Lol, I'm town. That's nice that you think that though. Guess we're not on the same team then.

So should we restrict your BTSC?

Ok, if this isn't an LMS game then I will just rethink my strategy. My mistake.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:32 pm So obviously Long Con is not town. Not bad for a first pager. Anyone else want to claim non-town?

I'm a Blue Velvet character. Ah, I see you PMed me. We'll talk there.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:21 pm This is a Last Man Standing game, right? So why give someone protection?

And that question didn't even need to be asked. The only relevant question is: what the hell good is a Public Protection? It will not stop a kill.

I will probably vote to restrict someone's BTSC. I think being competitive is a healthier attitude in an LMS game.
Uh, what do you mean Last Man Standing game?

Like, there's not Town and Mafia going on, it's every person for themselves, lynch until there's one winner?

This is a Last Man Standing game, right? So why give someone protection?

And that question didn't even need to be asked. The only relevant question is: what the hell good is a Public Protection? It will not stop a kill.

I will probably vote to restrict someone's BTSC. I think being competitive is a healthier attitude in an LMS game.

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