The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:18 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:26 pm @Long Con what are you thinking?
Tumultuous thoughts. I was drained of the inspiration I felt last night with you and Epi when I came in to find me at the top of your Wolf list, as though you hadn't a) said you found me as Town for well-defined reasons, and b) agreed to towncore me.

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy, and I don't feel like following your vote on to another LHF, because I don't think your methods are very sound. If you're even Town.
Also, keep in mind that the entire time you were playing "town core"...

Your vote has been on me.

If you had asked, you would have liked the answer. It wasn't intended to stay, more as a guage of other JJJ-interested voters.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:26 pm @Long Con what are you thinking?

Tumultuous thoughts. I was drained of the inspiration I felt last night with you and Epi when I came in to find me at the top of your Wolf list, as though you hadn't a) said you found me as Town for well-defined reasons, and b) agreed to towncore me.

Finding it pretty easy to agree with Wilgy, and I don't feel like following your vote on to another LHF, because I don't think your methods are very sound. If you're even Town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:10 pm If Wilgy is town, I may take his suspicion of falcon and Tony as gospel.

Why, is he never wrong or something?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:59 pm Of course, I meant "has". I did not properly vet my voice to text.
I believe only Wilgy hasn’t posted on Day 2.

This game probably has no power roles beyond Kagemusha and the other dude and their whole thing.

That's what I've been assuming. If we have some Town PRs, then hey, so much the better. But I doubt it. Entirely possible I missed something about the topic in the rules.

LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:36 pm Current thoughts:

I’m of 2 minds on LC, because I read him wrong last game. But he has been pingy. Especially using the FEB emoji. So, not voting him for now, but keeping an eyeball there.

Just because it's a reasonable piece of evidence to decry any emoji tells you might be implying:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:20 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:17 pm Almost EoD and I'm actually short on time this cycle.

LC has significantly more resistance than Nutella, but the phase has felt pretty wagon stagnant. Oh well, with dueling wagons this game, I'm not sure if I'd be able to tell.

I feel like a teammate would be pushing for a 3rd option if one of these two were bad and I don't see that happening.
Maybe my Wolf team just believes in the power of my song.

A Wolf has a significant advantage in a musical duel against a Townie, because they are automatically up two votes, assuming a team of three.

For those of you playing along at home, this is from Battle of the Bands, aka "last game".

Of course, I meant "has". I did not properly vet my voice to text.

Who is not posted yet?

No, it's my bad. I'm rarely ever in the town core and I think I just thought it meant something different.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:21 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:15 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I’m a bit torn about this vote, I think the points against him are strong and I’m not going to vote for Lorab.

That would leave JJJ or a useless vote.

While I did and honestly still do have some suspicion on Jay, he is being very active in a towny way right now and I do think hes solving very genuinely.

Now having said that he could also be a wolf who wasn’t motivated and then pulled it together. Either way I’m comfortable giving him another phase.

I still need to read him, LC, and Epi over. I’m also still thinking LC or JJJ are mafia.
When was JJJ not motivated?
I’d say for a portion of day 1 and maybe the beginning of day 2 he lacked that like towny energy?

He seemed demotivated, not as active, and very I guess negative for where we were at in the game.

I would classify it as "motivated, but frustrated at the lack of OTHERS' motivation". But ok. Do you trust him?

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:15 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

I’m a bit torn about this vote, I think the points against him are strong and I’m not going to vote for Lorab.

That would leave JJJ or a useless vote.

While I did and honestly still do have some suspicion on Jay, he is being very active in a towny way right now and I do think hes solving very genuinely.

Now having said that he could also be a wolf who wasn’t motivated and then pulled it together. Either way I’m comfortable giving him another phase.

I still need to read him, LC, and Epi over. I’m also still thinking LC or JJJ are mafia.

When was JJJ not motivated?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:22 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:22 pm I would be completely satisfied with starting a town core of JJJ, Long Con, and Epignosis. If you guys want to take the risk together.
At least for the time being, I would be fine with giving that a trial run and seeing what turns up.

Solid. It's good to know I have someone I can trust that reciprocates my trust.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:54 pm So I've got a goodie list of:

Me
sig
moto
Simon

Yeah, best I can say for Simon and moto for now is that I'll follow your lead on it.

Since we're in a towncore together, even though you didn't list JJJ and I but no biggie, brother...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:48 pm To be clear, sig posted this before that:

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:35 am The scotty kill is odd, I’ll need to do an NKA of them though.

I don’t recall a single post by PA, however both Epi and Jay reasoning mirror the game that just ended where she was civ and also misvoted fairly early I think. (I died D2 and stopped paying attention, but we won so GoC 2024 here I come )
However, given that it looks like sig was copying notes from Night 1 (in the content you referenced), your point may stand. We're forced to take that or leave it, but I don't object at this point.
Oh, okay then. Jesus. Turning 40 sucks.

LOL. It looks towny for you anyway, so that's a plus.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:30 amSo I think the main focus for me in the next day or so is to do an ISO of Jay, Epi, LC, AS, and Simon.

I like this, should be good reads.

Nice.

I think I'd have to re-read him.

I was just thinking about posting that I'm not voting for sig.

Never before has such a town core been seen!

I would be completely satisfied with starting a town core of JJJ, Long Con, and Epignosis. If you guys want to take the risk together.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:17 pm Given the theme, I like how we are a "Clan."

Yes, you've gone above and beyond with this game's gimmick.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:16 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:10 pm I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.
Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.
Like when Epi knew that they were going to come after you?
I thought about it. I wouldn't say Epi predicted or forecasted it, but I did wonder if he had a hand in it with at least one of them.

But what kind of Bush league mistake would that be for him to make?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:14 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:13 pm That would have been legit. I would have had to get Black Rock in on it too.
Tell that lovely lady I said hello please!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:10 pm I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.
Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzzle. I keep finding myself trying to determine what their posts might look like if any of the Epi clan share BTSC, for example. I really don't know how to determine that though.

Like when Epi knew that they were going to come after you?

That would have been legit. I would have had to get Black Rock in on it too.

I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it.

You've turned me around on this game though. I was planning on slanking hard for *reasons*, but now I want to do it for you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:58 pm Does anyone out there have strong civilian reads? On anyone? That's a start.

I do not. I have "civilian reads" (the premier two being motobot and Tony) and will trust them if given no choice. But I wouldn't call any of them truly "confident" in the sense that I would often experience in other games.

That limp-ass day one vote is not helpful because princess didn't really do anything to judge. We should have done some spicy jumping at the end of the day.

I just meant in the short-term. I don't even acknowledge suspicion of me, most of the time, this early in the day because votes shift all the time. And I highly doubt that the poll is going to look like this by the end of the day.

I'm probably more of an optimist, contrasted with you as a realist.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:48 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:21 pm Well it's just true, regardless of my alignment. I can handle accusations, but I will not stand for outright lies about me.

Now Wolf JJJ dusts off his hands, pocket secured. He knows how to handle a simple soul like Long Con, twist him up, watch him spin, and be there to catch him while he's dizzy.

What kind of person falls for that, JJJ? Come on.
I seriously don't know what this means, but I am happy for you and/or I'm sorry that happened.
Don't you ever just not want to risk getting fooled by a Wolf? I'd rather be wrong than duped.
I'd rather eliminate mafia than civilian. The base emotion of "being duped" is almost meaningless to me beyond some fleeting wound to post-game pride. I'm going to be duped sometimes. If I let that fear consume me I would lose games a lot more often.

Well, it's not like my religion or anything. But it's why I would post a thing like that. Like "hey man, I see what you're doing" even if I don't end up deciding you are a Wolf, I want it on the record at that point in time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:28 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:21 pm Well it's just true, regardless of my alignment. I can handle accusations, but I will not stand for outright lies about me.

Now Wolf JJJ dusts off his hands, pocket secured. He knows how to handle a simple soul like Long Con, twist him up, watch him spin, and be there to catch him while he's dizzy.

What kind of person falls for that, JJJ? Come on.
I seriously don't know what this means, but I am happy for you and/or I'm sorry that happened.

Don't you ever just not want to risk getting fooled by a Wolf? I'd rather be wrong than duped.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:33 pm Whether folks believe me or not is their own prerogative. I don't give a damn at this point. But for my own peace of mind and perhaps for future reference (in my dreams):

Long Con, when civilian and accused, "annoys" me (for lack of a better word). This is not meant as a criticism of Long Con the person or even the player. He is doing nothing wrong. He is interacting with the game and pursuing what he believes to be appropriate, if he is a civilian. That's okay. But that is exactly what I was waiting for. To ignore accusations entirely and pretend the game barely exists is not quite the same as to laugh in my face for trying to sort him, and the latter has happened before more than once. It's annoying, it's tilting, but it has been authentic every past time I can remember it happening. So I moved my vote to falcon, who has not done anything to suggest he is a civilian.

Thank you and/or I'm sorry.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:29 pm I'm just having a hard time buying this as a genuine opinion.
It seems evident to me that nobody in this game has a single clue what is or is not genuine, and that's okay.

Hey man. Still 24 hours left in the Day. What are you even worried about? I haven't even decided if I believe what I'm saying yet.

FREE of your TYRANNY!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:20 pm Kids getting ready to take down JaggedJimmyJay.

Hold on to your butts.

JJJ is my number one suspicion now.

falcon45ca
motobot
DrWilgy
Abigail Sophia
LoRab
Simon
TonyStarkPrime
sig
Long Con
Epignosis

JaggedJimmyJay

motobot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 10:21 pm I know I've already said that I believed JJJ was town, I just feel it is getting harder and harder to believe that.

That is how I feel at this time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:27 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:17 pm If nothing else, civilian Long Con rarely responds to suspicion in this way.
I mean, why would you say that when civilian Long Con almost definitely lets suspicion roll off his back like a duck?

Maybe you're thinking about Lime Coke?

This is a wholly egregious lie. I'm happy to die to expose you.

[VOTE: JJJJJJJJJJJJJJ] aubergine
What Long Con doesn't usually do -- flippant rainbow lists with 800 colors and a concerted effort to be impossible to read

What Long Con usually does -- ridiculous overconfident accusations of LIES and laugh emojis, like the accuser is doing something unbelievably silly

Thanks for finally doing that.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Well it's just true, regardless of my alignment. I can handle accusations, but I will not stand for outright lies about me.

Now Wolf JJJ dusts off his hands, pocket secured. He knows how to handle a simple soul like Long Con, twist him up, watch him spin, and be there to catch him while he's dizzy.

What kind of person falls for that, JJJ? Come on.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:50 pm you need a meta claim to support your disbelief or Ill accuse you of INCORRIGIBILITY

You really never vote in the thread?

You... you really are vote-tag handicapped?

I honestly didn't know it was a real condition. Sorry for being a bad friend.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:37 pm but don't think it's logically conclusive and I think the implied premise is false
Why aren't you calling your votes in the thread? What is this tactic?
i don't tend to call my votes in thread unless it's required by law (which tbf it might be here) bevcause I don't know how the vote tags work

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:37 pm but don't think it's logically conclusive and I think the implied premise is false

Why aren't you calling your votes in the thread? What is this tactic?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:17 pm If nothing else, civilian Long Con rarely responds to suspicion in this way.

I mean, why would you say that when civilian Long Con almost definitely lets suspicion roll off his back like a duck?

Maybe you're thinking about Lime Coke?

This is a wholly egregious lie. I'm happy to die to expose you.

[VOTE: JJJJJJJJJJJJJJ] aubergine

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:52 pm Maybe no one will post and these guys can just yeet me themselves
Which guys exactly?

Tony and JJJ, my voters.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:41 am falcon45ca
motobot
DrWilgy
Abigail Sophia
LoRab
Simon
TonyStarkPrime
sig
Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis
Is there meaning to your colors here? Or is it just pretty…

Your primitive tongue could not pronounce those meanings.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:17 pm If nothing else, civilian Long Con rarely responds to suspicion in this way.

Maybe no one will post and these guys can just yeet me themselves

There's one read I have, but y'all ain't ever gonna hear it.

falcon45ca
motobot
DrWilgy
Abigail Sophia
LoRab
Simon
TonyStarkPrime
sig
Long Con
JaggedJimmyJay
Epignosis

RIP Scotty, look, I didn't confbias you a Wolf this time!

I hope you appreciate my attempt to improve.

Four Epi-fam players and not one of them Wolf? Possible, but I don't believe in it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:36 am gonna out more mech stuff I guess, everyone who gets put on the stand should at least strongly consider claiming kagemusha, depending on their relative game position. game theory works out that way. The PRs have to do it, the wolves then have to do it, at which point the town have to do it to provide proper cover. Don't think it's worth not talking this through before it starts happening and we have to start thinking about it.

I wouldn't bother; I'm Kagemusha.

falcon is a maybe still

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