The Syndicate

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:24 pm I'm confused, wtf happened while I was out
I see people voting ender and boq is dead
Which is pretty unfortunate, bleh
Should I vote yet? I'm going to sleep, I just got home and I'm exhausted but I don't want to not vote. If you don't want me to hammer I'll stick a vote on someone else who isn't a wagon just so I don't face any consequences.

What was it you did that you couldn't do as a wolf? Try telling me without referring to alignments we don't know. You got SVS lynched, that's something, right?

Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:19 pm I would not press the "we won" option until there were at most 2 people left.

Yup. Not worth the risk.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:39 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 3:35 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:47 am there's also the fact that every chop has been my call
nah
not lime coke tbh

idk why you wanna brag about this though lmao.
how else do i tilt abbie and long con

Do you want me to let you know if you are successful at any point?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 12:29 pm 2 away from hammer.

I'm not opposed to it, but figured we should be mindful.

I'll mindfully put it to 1 away from hammer then? [VOTE: Ender] aubergine Let's hammer it in, like, 6 hours. Maybe we can make the Day/Night transition point a little more normal for this hemisphere.

Happy to chop Ender, in the hope that Boq's sacrifice will not be in vain. I wish we could have played your "who's the most likely nightkill target?" game, that sounded fun... and also sounded like the assuredness of Ender's non-Landlord status was contingent on it somehow. Hope Boq was analyzing correctly.

Ender indicated that it's an incorrect conclusion from the info. What could that mean? Tracker/Watcher... possible redirect? What could Ender immediately understand about Boq's limited talk about it?

RIP Boquise. Great to see the wolves targeted the wrong person last night.

Not looking good for Ender, sucks that it had to go this way. Funny how Boq's death is more confirming of his info than otherwise.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 8:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 7:45 pm Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.
ur wrong on me

Maybe, but the things you said that were meant to convince me had the effect of making me more suspicious of you. Most of it, I read on my phone, during sneaky getaways from work. Didn't you say you do this as a wolf? I was like, "ah, good point, town for sure!" you know? If I'm even remembering what I read.

Tomorrow is a Halloween party I'm attending ,and my costume isn't complete. Most of my time tonight will be that, not rereading the night.

I'm sorry that my playstyle causes you frustration. You sound like you know a lot about Mafia, but my own experience contradicts much of what you say. No one cares or wants to hear about multiball crap so I'll spoiler it:

Spoiler: show

Also, I can't believe you guys fell for that. S~V~S and I planned that whole legacy in scumchat in order to townclear me. So gullible, I couldn't even keep it up.

Oh good I'm a non slot so I can live

I just meant that killing me won't kill a big town power role that some other player probably has.

...where? I think you read it differently than I meant it.

Well, I'll probably die tonight, robyn, so you won't need to worry about me voting you again. It's actually good that I die, to let a town power role live.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 6:31 am
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:38 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:30 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 4:25 pmdon’t vote for me, the strict logic here is, if you do vote me and the vote is between me and someone else i never die and you ensure my vote (not yours) is the one that goes over. i think you’re town and i think that you can catch wolves. i’m just not and tbh i don’t expect u to see otherwise
"if you do vote me and the vote is between me and someone else i never die and you ensure my vote (not yours) is the one that goes over." I don't understand this.
if you vote for me you waste your vote because i never go over, that’s the rub, you ensure whoever i want to vote out goes out. like i’m not against working with you about anyone except my top town row on my post recent readslist

the issue is just that votes lock and your entire cycle might be made irrelevant by suspecting me. i don’t care how you view me here but the logic is that you’d waste all your effort on me and i think you’re town so i’d just ignore you

and voila d3 where you haven’t put effort into finding me and all my play ignoring lily is ignored by you and etc etc

it’s a shitshow and i’m warning you
@Long Con

it'll happen again, you can't say that i didn't warn you about exactly how this cycle would turn out

With you leading the game to wagon a valuable Town member?

You are truly unbelievable. At least you make me laugh.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:51 am Played and hosted too many to count.
then how do you not understand the practical difference

Do you? Explain it plainly

What about tmi? It's a nebulous concept to judge in a player, you don't know who has it and who doesn't.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:47 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:45 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:39 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:37 am

I think it's cool. And what does it matter if it's mafia and independent if we have to kill them both anyway??
makes my pr read and lack of tmi read on you correct, as well as gives you my logic for nk’s being anti multiball (makes this logic valid)
3p vs multiball is extremely different
... go on
???? if a multiball then tmi reads are valid, i've cleverly played a multiball and got n1ed after having a 4/6 solve. the teams know that there are mafia faking solving and are genuinely trying to solve the other team and uses their nk to strike down 1) high influence players 2) potential mafia. last on the list is conf towns especially in a flipless

the entire gamestate is different
I'll find out at endgame. Mafia choosing kills is based on a hell of a lot more than those two factors.
have you ever played a multiball before?

Played and hosted too many to count.

The only difference, literally, is what you choose to label each of the teams you need eliminated. "Mafia", "Independent", "Sausage Party", "Gloombringers"... there may or may not be a difference in the win conditions of an independent, but if I need them dead to win, then same-same to me.

Anyway, good luck with this, I'll miss you if you're gone. Good night.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:45 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:39 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:37 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:36 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:31 am 3p maybe, sincerely doubt we're playing true multiball flipless
nobody would ever play another rondo game lol
I think it's cool. And what does it matter if it's mafia and independent if we have to kill them both anyway??
makes my pr read and lack of tmi read on you correct, as well as gives you my logic for nk’s being anti multiball (makes this logic valid)
3p vs multiball is extremely different
... go on
???? if a multiball then tmi reads are valid, i've cleverly played a multiball and got n1ed after having a 4/6 solve. the teams know that there are mafia faking solving and are genuinely trying to solve the other team and uses their nk to strike down 1) high influence players 2) potential mafia. last on the list is conf towns especially in a flipless

the entire gamestate is different

I'll find out at endgame. Mafia choosing kills is based on a hell of a lot more than those two factors.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:40 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:39 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:37 am
robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:36 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:31 am 3p maybe, sincerely doubt we're playing true multiball flipless
nobody would ever play another rondo game lol
I think it's cool. And what does it matter if it's mafia and independent if we have to kill them both anyway??
makes my pr read and lack of tmi read on you correct, as well as gives you my logic for nk’s being anti multiball (makes this logic valid)
3p vs multiball is extremely different

... go on

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:36 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:31 am 3p maybe, sincerely doubt we're playing true multiball flipless
nobody would ever play another rondo game lol

I think it's cool. And what does it matter if it's mafia and independent if we have to kill them both anyway??

Renters and govt agents. It's in the first post.

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 12:22 am i’m actually pretty confident they’re town and have been and will continue to be, their play has been so bad its lacked tmi

A phony opinion in multiball, where there is no true TMI. This makes me more comfortable in my vote.

By all means, take out wilgy marmot or svs. I believe there was an argument for not allowing marmot to get modkkilled? Sounds like a freebie to me.

[VOTE: robyn] aubergine Everyone's hedging their bets or something. Waiting to see what everyone else is doing.

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:46 pm hmmmm, i’d go wigly

Just as a "why not?" or do you have reads on him?

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:23 pm There's something I don't get.

We're doing the alarm gamble again.

The what now?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:21 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:57 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:49 pm hmmmmm

@Long Con are u gonna vote me
Yeah, I don't know, I guess? Some other people kind of found you suspicious, I think , so it seems like a viable wagon. I have 90 minutes to decide.
Thoughts on wilgy?

Sorry if you've already talked about him, feel free to just link me to it if you have
I haven't really formed an opinion on him. I have no o jection to his elimination. What makes you so sure?
I'm good at reading him and he works as a pair with pretty much everyone I think

That's too vague to be convincing, I don't even know that I can trust you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:06 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:57 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:49 pm hmmmmm

@Long Con are u gonna vote me
Yeah, I don't know, I guess? Some other people kind of found you suspicious, I think , so it seems like a viable wagon. I have 90 minutes to decide.
Thoughts on wilgy?

Sorry if you've already talked about him, feel free to just link me to it if you have

I haven't really formed an opinion on him. I have no o jection to his elimination. What makes you so sure?

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 10:49 pm hmmmmm

@Long Con are u gonna vote me

Yeah, I don't know, I guess? Some other people kind of found you suspicious, I think , so it seems like a viable wagon. I have 90 minutes to decide.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:43 pm I have an answer to that, but I'm not Bereft so I won't answer it lol
At least not until Bereft answers first cause I don't want to interrupt

I don't mind if you answer, it's not a gotcha for bereft.

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:03 pm Forgive me for the setup speculation but I also don't actually believe there are two mafia teams? I'd be more inclined to the idea of there being a solo faction or some type of neutral-but-not-really faction.

That could be, what do you think is the functional difference between two mafia teams, and one mafia team and 1 independent team, if we need to beat them both to win?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:05 am If there's 2 wolf teams then the NK could still be wolves from the other team.

Agreed.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:49 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:53 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:08 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:17 am Like we can reasonably safely flip porscha and [n1 kill I'm completely blanking on and too lazy to check for] green, or not mafia at least and that's all I care about rn

Then we just build worlds and eliminate as many teams and pairings as possible, ID the most and least likely ones, and work off of that.

Easier said than done of course but that's how you typically solve flipless games and this one is no different.
Cape and Porscha were town, yeah

And yes but I solve flipless games by making assumptions on the ones who didn't flip, too. You can tell me it's unnecessary but i personally would just be floating around aimlessly if I can't do that.
Let's play a game where you make the assumption that Scotty and Lily are town Bread can be either I don't care where does that lead you?

I am cause this is the world I'm thinking is most likely.
How many baddies on each team, in this world?
Each team? Is it openly stated somewhere that there are multiple teams?

Renters and government agents.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:08 am
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:20 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 5:17 am Like we can reasonably safely flip porscha and [n1 kill I'm completely blanking on and too lazy to check for] green, or not mafia at least and that's all I care about rn

Then we just build worlds and eliminate as many teams and pairings as possible, ID the most and least likely ones, and work off of that.

Easier said than done of course but that's how you typically solve flipless games and this one is no different.
Cape and Porscha were town, yeah

And yes but I solve flipless games by making assumptions on the ones who didn't flip, too. You can tell me it's unnecessary but i personally would just be floating around aimlessly if I can't do that.
Let's play a game where you make the assumption that Scotty and Lily are town Bread can be either I don't care where does that lead you?

I am cause this is the world I'm thinking is most likely.

How many baddies on each team, in this world?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:28 amI think Capes theory re Marmot and LC had alot of validity, so if I think LC is town, I think Marmot is NOT. So Imma keep voting there. [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I don't remember a theory, I remember a list of generally organized suspicion levels. You have clung to this for a while, and now you believe in it hard enough to vote right out of the gates. Can you flesh out the pertinent points of this theory you believe in so much, please?

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:29 am @Long Con anyway i figured out that you were a PR yesterday, when you made 2 silly pr reads on others and were constantly trying to pair things to pr abilities

i don’t know if this means anything to you but lol

It is meaningful because making people laugh is important. Thank you. But I have no idea what you're talking about.

Quiet night tonight. Update your legacies!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:46 pm Oh wow. My friends are giving me a cookie.

Enjoy, my friend.

This game... three times now, I have had things to say, but erased the post because I didn't know if it would help or hurt the wolves.

Like "What if the wolves are doing THIS?" but then damn, what if they aren't, and now are GOING to? I had better just keep it more reactive I guess.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:44 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:38 pm Porscha, I value your input on the discussion surrounding your capabilities.
Did you want more?

No, I was typing that since before your post, two earlier. Crosspost, and so then 'nm' aka nevermind.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:36 pm I'm not convinced that voting at night does anything at all, but just in case:

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

?I hope this doesn't show my intense wolfiness, like when I voted with Marmot

, but I'll follow that vote.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Porscha, I value your input on the discussion surrounding your capabilities.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:10 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:39 am I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy
How's that?
She's super polarized + I'm really good at reading her
What do you mean by 'super polarized'?
Noticeably different as town vs mafia

I see. I never really played with her before; she struck me as an experienced player.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:39 am I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy
How's that?
She's super polarized + I'm really good at reading her

What do you mean by 'super polarized'?

This is a list for before I go back and dive into any ISO reading. Just how I think I feel about the game right now. Probably some will change. It's a 'Before' pic.

Long Con
Boquise
☆Princess Abigail☆
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Bereft
EnderWiggin
Porscha
WindwardAway
DrWilgy
Marmot
S~V~S
robyn

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:15 amNope, just reacting to Robyn's ridiculous statement.
Excuse me, sorry, I meant I was reacting to Porscha's ridiculous statement, not robyn's. I was still groggy.

LOL never mind. It was robyn. I need glasses.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:15 amNope, just reacting to Robyn's ridiculous statement.

Excuse me, sorry, I meant I was reacting to Porscha's ridiculous statement, not robyn's. I was still groggy.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:39 am I see porscha has lock towned herself while I was gone, heck yeah. Good job buddy

How's that?

Oh, lol, I am still catching up on a page I skipped earlier. Looks like it is already in discussion.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:14 am
Vote Count
Lime Coke - (5) - EnderWiggin, Boquise, WindwardAway, robyn, Bereft
Marmot (3) - DrWilgy, S~V~S, Lime Coke
Long Con (2) - ☆Princess Abigail☆, Porscha
robyn (1) - Long Con
Porscha (1) - +1
Bereft (1) - +1

Invalid - (3) 1+ Marmot, (S)yxxy, Jackofhearts2005, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Where did the votes on Porscha and Bereft come from?

Why are there 3 invalid vote, but four names, +1?

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