The Syndicate

Getting out of our misery quicker sounds good to me. It's not like discussion has really been working for us.

Lame.

Canucklehead wrote:Sooooooo.....I'm guessing the chances of moving to a 24/24 schedule after this are pretty low, eh?

*votes that*

Just poured my first rye and coke!

I have also voted for AP.

Yo Made, sing me a song!

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:I've also referenced a "I would have voted Metalmarsh" from AP that pinged me a little. That is the one difference that made me vote for him last time.

What post was this???

Long Con wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ok, so Sabie had no real on-topic posts, and then was replaced by A Person, who has had basically one on-topic post, plus two more discussing how he doesn't know how the Uwe Boll lock works. His one post is "I had wanted to vote MM but the thread was locked I've felt he was fishy all game."

So that's a likely place to put my vote.

That's my take on Sabie/AP thing. That distancing thing with MM is what draws my eye the most. *votes AP*

I've also referenced a "I would have voted Metalmarsh" from AP that pinged me a little. That is the one difference that made me vote for him last time.

Ha ha, classic Long Con silly blunder! Epig, delete?

Canucklehead wrote:AP is a crapshoot, because there's little to go on post-wise, from either Sabie or her reincarnation....so that just leaves pure speculation (which I'm certainly not opposed to engaging in! )

Nips is tough. I was definitely willing to agree with Bass' suspicions of Rox, but after yesterday I honestly can't decide if his actions make me waaay more or waaaay less suspcious of TH....I'm currently leaning towards more, but I will admit to being a little gun shy because of my uber failure to read TH in his previous incarnation.

What about Rico? I've been feeling civ from him allll game......but I do have a niggling terror in the back of my brain that he's just fucking schooled us all this entire game.

Damn you, Canucklehead, I agree with this entire post. If you are a baddie this time, I want you to know that I'm going to go over your whole game extensively and remember every nuance that I can, and then assault you with it should you act in a similar way in a subsequent game. Just so you know.

I'm willing to come to a majority consensus on any of those three, and I will vote later so as to avoid any voting spread crappiness like last lynch. :nod:

I suspect Made, A Person, and Turnip Head the most.

Mongoose wrote:My favorite music video of all time was directed by Spike Jonze.

That is also my favourite video of all time! I mean, I may have liked some other videos more, but this is the only one my mind goes to if it comes up.

RIP Bass, I hope you were a baddie. I really expected to be writing my next post in dead red.

Well, goodbye all... I'd wager my death is imminent. Good luck Civvies!

Long Con wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Why can't we talk about who we think is who?? Is that kinda how to mafia?

People are sensitive these days, but you are absolutely right.

I voted John Lasseter when I saw what his list of producer credits looks like.

Didn't realize the top-tier films that he's actually directed as well! This John is awesome.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:What is your analysis of this lynch? What did the baddies do?

I think Dom is bad, he voted for Canuck. He's most likely the target of my pursuits tomorrow, as I think there's enough there to at least start the conversation about his baddieness.

AP's vote for you (LC) came hot off the heels of your vote for him, which stands out to me, but I don't see the baddie motivations for his vote yet. The only player he could have been saving with his vote is Canuck, and I don't think that's likely.

Made's vote also surprised me, as he appears to have voted a player he trusts in a reverse psychology gambit. The only player Made could have been saving with his vote was LC, and I don't think LC is bad, so this doesn't explain Made's vote to me. I plan to look into this some more.

I think the baddies voted wherever they felt like it, much like the civvies did too. I don't see any big save attempts with the votes, so it's possible none of the baddies felt threatened yesterday.

Made trusts Canuck?

Canucklehead wrote:Why can't we talk about who we think is who?? Is that kinda how to mafia?

People are sensitive these days, but you are absolutely right.

I voted John Lasseter when I saw what his list of producer credits looks like.

What is your analysis of this lynch? What did the baddies do?

Turnip Head wrote:I suspect him and I don't think you or Canuck are baddies. What does the timing of my vote have to do with anything? I voted like five minutes after you did.

I was wondering if you would try to use my vote in your explanation.

Ricochet wrote:Feeling pleb today, so John Woo.

couple of thoughts on LC's list:

Interesting indeed that Made1 never used his pardons. But aren't they night powers (so basically player protects)? And also, would have been able to pardon himself?

Pardons aren't night powers. Someone with a pardon waits until the lynch is over (or almost over but you can see how it will end) and activates their power at that time to stop the lynch from going through. Some lynch pardoners cannot pardon themselves, but that is rare, and I have never seen that be the case unless it is stated in the role description.

Welles is dead if you ask me and last night's poll is revealing of that. But I don't knos if I can say more, is talking about who we think the dead were or who we think the alive aren't still hinting?

Talking about who we think dead players were and who we think living players are is not role hinting or info dropping unless you have info somehow, and even then you can still talk all you like about it, and theorize on who was who... you just can't make it obvious that it's anything more than a theory.

At least I strongly believe that's still how Mafia works. If anyone feels differently, then I'm all ears.

A possible total of five badddies, yet ideally two each team. I don't get this math.

Maybe I'm too generous with the "ideally". Five baddies possible, ideally there's only one baddie left in the game.

We haven't seen evidence that a baddie team is gone, so the next most ideal situation is one baddie left on each team.

Realistically, I think we can assume that ONE night kill has been the killing of a baddie by the other baddies. I think that's likely enough to assume.

The way I meant my original "ideally" that you question, is that, going with the "4 baddies left" theory, having 2 on each team is ideal, because then neither team is controlling things... there is still plenty of opportunity for baddies to lynch other baddies. If the teams are 3 and 1, then the team of three is very powerful with thread influence, and it's a lot less likely that we will be able to lynch one of them without Civvies standing together and agreeing on the right person.

Cause yeah... that last lynch was a complete amateur hour full of fuckballery! Spreading out the votes like that is the best possible way to guarantee a baddie win. You can count on that. We must not do that again.

Turnip Head, why did you vote off for Dom so late in the lynch?

So, Made as a baddie... he could have voted AP and given Canuck the ability to lynch AP, but he didn't. If he believed Canuck and I are both Civ, then the lynch was already cool whether it was two or three necks on the line. I'm assuming that since no one mentioned it, no one active at the end remembered Mongoose's tied-lynch ruling. SO, he didn't want to see AP in the mix for this lynch.

Could be a baddie connection between AP and Made.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Also, what happens in the case of a lynch tie?[/b]

My host policy on ties: no one dies.

Thank you dead man. Too many games at once for me, I guess, I didn't remember.

Civilians

Robert Rodriguez Grindhouse Director: Has BTSC with Tarantino.
Quentin Tarantino Grindhouse Director: Has BTSC with Rodriguez.

David Lean Director of epics, he knows the value of taking one's time during shoots. Steady wins the race. 2 lynch pardons.

George Cukor American Director of Classic Comedies. Can target a player to reference a romantic comedy in each post they make.

Howard Hawks Classic Hollywood Director. A silent era director that fully embraced and utilized sound, he can be flexible. May adopt a player's power at night.

Jean Luc Godard New Wave Director: Can send one message every day period to protege Truffaut.

François Truffaut New Wave Director: Can send one message every night period to mentor Godard.

Busby Berkeley Glitzy movie director and cinematographer: Can distract another player with glam and gold. Role blocker.

Sergei Eisenstein Soviet Film Director and Godfather of Montage. Can post a recap each day.

Fritz Lang German-Austrian Expressionist: Can creatively post his thoughts every night.

Darren Aronofsky Another auteur who can find BTSC with David Lean using math, a common theme in his films.

Pedro Almodovar With passion and desire being two of the prevalent themes of this acclaimed Spanish director, he may cause 2 players to miss the vote due to the manifestation of their carnal desires.

Stanley Kubrick Realist, perfectionist director and genre hopper. He can once reshoot a day period.

Cecil B Demille Known for his flamboyant showmanship, he also successfully made the transition from silent to sound. Each night he searches for Howard Hawks. If he finds him, they gain BTSC.

Orson Welles Excess and the demise of Don Quixote left the former prodigy weak. However, in his early days, he is stronger. For the first 5 votes, his vote will count as 2. And 0 thereafter.

John Waters Transgressive and ecclectic cult film director who often features Baltimore in his films. He can send The Baltimore FootStomper out after a player each night. That player will be muted during the day period and blocked during the night period.

Ingmar Bergman Evocative Swedish film director who often had religion as a theme in his films. May grant amnesty to a player 3x, which will result in his/her removal from the lynch that day.

Mafia - The Brotherhood (BTSC). Odd Night Kill.

Coen Bros. Jewish brothers who often use the same actors in their films. Can call upon the Golem to protect a player.

Duplass Bros. Mumblecore creators. Inspired by Cassavetes, their super-realism shows the nuances of every day life.

Wachowskis. Siblings known for their multi-part storytelling.

Mafia - The Hacks (BTSC). Even Night Kill.

Michael Bay Known for explosions over plot, this director, can distract civs and turn their minds off (role block).

Uwe Boll Known for video game adaptations, he can twice lock the thread when his work gets criticized.

Roland Emmerich Natural disaster movie guru, his over the top films do not garner much critical acclaim.


How did Made 1.0 (David Lean) not pardon his own lynch?

So, 6 unknown players dead, and I feel like George Cukor must be dead because no one has been referencing Romantic Comedies.

If Bubsy Berkeley is alive, then the role-blocking ability is pretty awesome to have. Block the right person now, and you have caught a precious baddie.

Eisenstein posted Day 8 but not Day 9, but I believe that he is alive. We will see if there's a Day 10 post from him.

Fritz Lang definitely is, since there was a message posted very recently.

Cecil B Demille could be alive. I'd say, randomly... not alive.

Orson Welles... his vote would be worth zero by now. Could be alive.

And then there's five baddies. One Protects, and one Blocks. We haven't seen any of that action, have we? So maybe there's a dead one or two.

Nine players alive... four baddies, five Civvies? Ideally, two baddies on each team, if that's the case.

.... just wanted to get an idea of where we stand.

Well, that was lucky. I do recall someone saying that they make no one die when the lynch poll is tied. I thought Roxy said it, but was it Mongoose? Whatever, I'm just happy to be alive a little longer. I'll try to say everything I have to say for tomorrow before night is over.

Hold my hand, dear friend...

Damn, Made... that's cold.

Well, I hope you're a baddie, Canuck. Some of the stuff you were saying earlier really made you look like a baddie to me, but your latest stuff has been very charming, so
I don't know. A lot of what you posted echoed my own feelings, and that makes me feel like you could be Civ. Or an empathetic baddie.

I can't believe I made such a silly mistake. BR is laughing at me right now.

Canuck, if you're not a baddie, then perhaps a vote for A Person and some faith would be in order here. I promise you, I am a Civ. I think I was foolish with my vote.

Long Con wrote:Ok, so Sabie had no real on-topic posts, and then was replaced by A Person, who has had basically one on-topic post, plus two more discussing how he doesn't know how the Uwe Boll lock works. His one post is "I had wanted to vote MM but the thread was locked I've felt he was fishy all game."

So that's a likely place to put my vote.

That's my take on Sabie/AP thing. That distancing thing with MM is what draws my eye the most. *votes AP*

Canucklehead wrote:Gaaahahhhh! I did a there/they're fail! Someone please kill me immediately, I no longer deserve to live.




.....except don't actually kill me please 'cuz I'm a civ and you love me.

That's a serious offence, Canuckers. That's a real rookie mistake.

I did suspect DF of framing me up, and I'm sure the baddies that actually did the framing were very happy to see DF's comments and my reaction. I recall there were additional DF = baddie arguments made during the subsequent time between my accusation and his lynch, and because I could let go of my idea, I was happy to see their POV on him and agree he was bad. Maybe some of those people who took supporting roles in the DF lynch are baddies, looking to bolster the frame-up fallout situation.

I didn't have anything to do with Llama's death.

I suspect Dom like I suspect most of the surviving players. I have no real reason to NOT suspect him, but it's very difficult.

Canuck "defending" MM makes sense if she's a baddie not on his team. She might have assumed that he was Civ because he's not baddie with her, and thus it would be a good go-to position on him, especially when a few others were gunning hard for him. Roll the dice and hope he's Civ, knowing that it's somewhat likely he is.

Still over 3 hours left to vote. I think I know where my vote will go, but I have to do some more reading before committing to it.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:That sounds like an absolutely insane task, LC What made you think of it? I plan on going through her posts tomorrow.

I believe we can still turn this thing around my friend. What do you make of Canuck defending MM?

Hard times sometimes call for insane measures. I'm still on the fence about Canuck.

I'm feeling Canuck might be bad just because I was on the fence and then SVS died-- idk, man.

What does S~V~S' death have to do with Canuck?

Turnip Head wrote:That sounds like an absolutely insane task, LC What made you think of it? I plan on going through her posts tomorrow.

I believe we can still turn this thing around my friend. What do you make of Canuck defending MM?

Hard times sometimes call for insane measures. I'm still on the fence about Canuck.

TH, we have not done well this game. We've only lynched one baddie, and it's Day 9. How many are left, like 8 or 9 players? Surely the baddies have accidentally killed each other at some point, but it's really hard to know. A lot of the prevailing suspicions have ended up wrong, except for Metalmarsh. Canuck defended Metalmarsh quite a bit, so take that however you like. We need to know what the baddies have been doing to be at this point in the game in such a good position.

Metalmarsh was Uwe Boll, who locks the thread. He did do a couple of times, including during his own lynch when he was up 5 votes to 3 over DF.

Roxy was not above suspicion, so neither are you... she was a big suspect, actually.

TH, why don't you play devil's advocate for us, and go through Roxy's posts to make a case that she was a baddie? I think it's the best way for you to join the game. Make a good case, and then, if you can, make a better case for someone else. Maybe me, if you like.

Well well well....

Wellity wellity wellity....

Dom wrote:That's tough because the people I've trusted have been dying. :/

It's literally like you read my mind to say this.

I also ask that question of the next person to post.

I felt good about Made's recent posts, so I would be more likely to vote A Person between the two of them.

Who are the three people you would be least likely to vote for, Dom?

Canucklehead wrote:

Dom wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I think Rixy, or maybe LC, or maybemaybe old sabie/lizzy would be good for lynching today.

Why LC?

Why not?

I swear that I will tear this thread apart before I let you make me into the next victim.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Baddies have been laying very low.

Ok, so Sabie had no real on-topic posts, and then was replaced by A Person, who has had basically one on-topic post, plus two more discussing how he doesn't know how the Uwe Boll lock works. His one post is "I had wanted to vote MM but the thread was locked I've felt he was fishy all game."

So that's a likely place to put my vote.

Lizzy had a handful of on-topics, casting some suspicion at Llama, and voting Metalmarsh with no real reasons stated. Made has been much more active, with some real analytical posts on DFaraday.

Made, why did you look at the votes on Days 5 and 6, and call out S~V~S and Roxy, but not Ricochet or Canuck?

So we should look at low liers?


Interesting.

It's one way to look at things. I'm just brainstorming about what might be "going on" in this game. The baddies have been very successful in shaping a lot of Civvie lynches. I think it's possible that they sat back and let us lynch each other, rather than taking an active hand in the lynches.

Plus, low posters are easier to summarize, and I'm a busy guy. 10:15am, that was just before I went and spent an hour filling buckets with water and carrying them to horses because the barn tap is frozen. Thirsty horses, man, I can't be going through 60+ posts for a case at that time of day!

Baddies have been laying very low.

Ok, so Sabie had no real on-topic posts, and then was replaced by A Person, who has had basically one on-topic post, plus two more discussing how he doesn't know how the Uwe Boll lock works. His one post is "I had wanted to vote MM but the thread was locked I've felt he was fishy all game."

So that's a likely place to put my vote.

Lizzy had a handful of on-topics, casting some suspicion at Llama, and voting Metalmarsh with no real reasons stated. Made has been much more active, with some real analytical posts on DFaraday.

Made, why did you look at the votes on Days 5 and 6, and call out S~V~S and Roxy, but not Ricochet or Canuck?

Because I'm not bad, and several of you are.

Maybe, maybe not. MAybe Dom and Roxy are baddies together. RIP S~V~S.

I think I'll randomize my vote today.

Made wrote:

Mongoose wrote:And now a word from Fritz Lang:

Reading back it is obvious to me now that few of the civilian lynches so far have been accidents. There is a malicious group of individuals functioning behind the scenes controlling and manipulating the votes, and when you examine the pattern there is little to no doubt as to who they are. Pay particular attention to what happened on days 5 and 6 and the night between and you shall discover the truth.

._. rip
Alright so (based on votes anyways) Fritz thinks it SVS and Roxy. Thoughts?

What is it that happened days 5-6?

I voted for Foxcatcher, because I haven't seen any of these movies, and catching foxes sounds cool, because foxes are cool.

Sorry DF, the baddies' trick worked like a charm on this sucker.

Well, nothing has dissuaded me from my DF suspicion, sorry DF!

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Since I just arose from the grave would it be considered suspicious of me to respect my predecessor's belated decision and vote for DFaraday for a reason unknown to me?

If Mongoose won't exclude Spacedaisy' vote from the tally (I'm sure she will, though), then it'd be best not to add another one to it, methinks. But confirmation is needed on that from Mongoose first.

I think that allowing Spacedaisy to vote even though Vomp2.0 has taken over adds to the kind of natural transition that a replacement should have. We're not supposed to be getting a new player with totally different ideas, but it happens. Ideally, Spacedaisy would provide Vomp with notes on her suspicions and views, which Vomp could use as a starting point for true replacement.

Well, I wasn't particularly sure what the habit is, in case of replacements. If it's advisable for the old player to put in one last vote instead of the new player having to give his input right away, then it's fine. I rather meant Vomps shouldn't add a second vote for DF, theoretically in the same slot with Spacedaisy, if Mongoose will count Spacedaisy's vote.

There is, however, the issue that her vote on DF is pretty unaccounted for. Like, at all.

Not sure what's advisable, just thought I'd give my own two cents: that it's better to change/disrupt the game as little as possible when a replacement needs to happen.

I looked up all three directors, and while Paul WS Anderson's large volume of movies were quite a bit of action-pulp, they are movies that I have seen and been engaged with on some shallow level. I like zombies, I like Aliens and Predators, I like Musketeers, Event Horizon was scarier to me than most horror movies.

Also:

Favorite Anderson

Poll runs till Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:07:19 pm
You may select 1 option


Paul Thomas
5
Mongoose (1), A Person (2), Dom (5), Ricochet (7), S~V~S (8) 45%
Paul W.S.
1
Long Con (4) 9%
Wes
5
thellama73 (3), zeek (6), Made (9), timmer (10), Roxy (11) 45%
Total votes : 11

I rule.

Ricochet wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Since I just arose from the grave would it be considered suspicious of me to respect my predecessor's belated decision and vote for DFaraday for a reason unknown to me?

If Mongoose won't exclude Spacedaisy' vote from the tally (I'm sure she will, though), then it'd be best not to add another one to it, methinks. But confirmation is needed on that from Mongoose first.

I think that allowing Spacedaisy to vote even though Vomp2.0 has taken over adds to the kind of natural transition that a replacement should have. We're not supposed to be getting a new player with totally different ideas, but it happens. Ideally, Spacedaisy would provide Vomp with notes on her suspicions and views, which Vomp could use as a starting point for true replacement.