The Syndicate

Aight, I'm headed to work. Voting S~V~S.

Fred, I don't see much similarity between my game and those others. I think you have a very limited viewpoint on the matter.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Long Con wrote:The thing is, Jack, I don't think S~V~S is prone to tunnelling like this without good reason. This assuredness in her suspicion of you smells like something more.

Back to that pesky missing Night 1 kill... her behaviour toward you matches what I believe we'd see from her if her Mafia team tried and failed to kill you.

If you say so, brah.

Thought the mafia went after Epi due to their missed kill.

I guess we'll know after the game is over. Until then, we theorize about what might have happened.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Since your arguement is that SVS and I are both mafia, though, why don't you vote SVS?

You wouldn't be defending your scumbuddy would you, -1?

That's not my name, and did you get the impression that I was defending S~V~S? She seemed to hold a different view: "No it doesn't and you know it." And if I end up voting for S~V~S, I'll do it when I damn well please... brah.

It just seems like the solution to this almost solved game doesn't sit well with you, LC. I'll ask you again, how many baddies do I have to lynch before you are sure I'm bad, too? It's about to be three. I make it though the night and I'm certain it will be four.

I'm pleased as punch about the almost solved game. It would have been remiss of me to not bring it up to the thread. It's a possibility. I'm sorry, but I've seen too many Mafias bus too many teammates to have my skirt blown up by the fact that you have been a part of one lynch of a suspected teammate.

I can tell it's really important to you to be viewed as Supatown Hero here, but that doesn't impress me either. If you think that you're going to intimidate me by cranking up your suspicion of me every time I look a little closer at you, then you don't know jack about me, Jack.

If no one else thinks that that scenario is likely, then so be it. I'm not going to tunnel it into the ground, just putting it out there. People who know S~V~S should confirm or refute the idea.

The thing is, Jack, I don't think S~V~S is prone to tunnelling like this without good reason. This assuredness in her suspicion of you smells like something more.

Back to that pesky missing Night 1 kill... her behaviour toward you matches what I believe we'd see from her if her Mafia team tried and failed to kill you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Keep in mind the scum have safeclaims per Epi, who told us his.

A fine scum, that one. Salt of the earth.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I'm not really asking. I'm saying I've put you on the town list for awhile but you're worrying me.

I do tend to worry folk from time to time. It seems I'm unreadable to a lot of players. I don't mean to be, I just play like me.

I don't think that my behaviour matches your smarmy parable, by the way. Since you did bring it up, though you didn't follow up.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, what do we all think of claiming in general this game? I'm not sure I want to claim my role, but I'm curious what you all think as to whether it's better to get all that stuff out there, or it depends, or what.

Can you think of a reason, beyond your ingrained belief in a no-infodrop ethical system, not to claim if you are going to be lynched?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Meanwhile can someone explain this POE floating around for me?

You'll have to ask the Confirmed Civ Crew. Do you know who they are?

MovingPictures07 wrote:And if you think I'm on gfish's team, I don't know what to say about that. That'd be some pretty sloppy ass distancing if so.

Well, being sloppy is quite understandable, and forgivable, given that you have been increasingly busy lately.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:I'm flexible though, should keep LC around, maybe he convinces his team to kill him again.

I agree with keeping me around, but that last part is very poor.

TSP is Commander Shepard, but he missed the vote on Day 1?

Oops. Someone messed up.

Shame on you. Can you ask Wilgy if he was messing with me during yesterday's silence-communication attempts?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@LC

I had Sprityo down as my last townie and it looks like Fred is thinking the same thing.

Oh, well that's different that the doubt you were putting out back here. You used to think it was unlikely that a Civ would reverse-track themselves because it's generally considered a bad play, and that sprit might be a Mafia role that tracked Raven. What happened to change your mind about that?

You're worrying me a lot, though. Stop me if you've heard this one. There's strong evidence that a player is town and it turns the game around if everyone buys it. The town is on their way to lynching some scum. A mafia member plays dumb and acts like they can't decide, hoping someone will give them a reason not to trust the townie so they don't have to vote out a baddie.

Ever heard that story?

I'm sorry, what? If you want to ask me something, ask me. I'm not interested in smarmy parables.

And how did you get included in the Confirmed Town group? Did I miss your role claim and the proof of it, or is it just because you voted for two baddies and you never bus a teammate?

sprityo wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Welcome to the world of four to five confirmed townies.

Was it ever clarified what IR targeted you with? Why are you clapping - don't the confirmed townies think you are bad?

Fredwood wrote:I'm flexible though, should keep LC around, maybe he convinces his team to kill him again.

I agree with keeping me around, but that last part is very poor.

TSP is Commander Shepard, but he missed the vote on Day 1?

Well. How solidly should I believe this?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:TSP is Shepherd and he's fucking Wigly.

Romantic.

I thought someone else was Shepherd.

Also:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Yes. Why don't you vote for a baddie instead?

Just curious- why is Wilgy a civilian?

Yah. This. Wilgy is not a Civilian, people.

I know Wilgy's exact role.

Oh. Am... am I right about him?

I can't decide whether this is all "wack", or "cray".

I hope history doesn't judge me too harshly for not understanding the latest ""revelations"".

Epignosis wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Yes. Why don't you vote for a baddie instead?

Just curious- why is Wilgy a civilian?

Yah. This. Wilgy is not a Civilian, people.

Epignosis wrote:I am unhappy that nobody figured this out yet.

Dude, I signed up for Mass Effect Mafia, not Epignosis' Sub-Game Riddle. I've just been waiting for you to reveal your cool scheme.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Epi is attempting to sacrifice himself.



Is there a reason not to let him?

What makes you say that?

Immortal_Raven wrote:I know that sprityo claimed that, but RTing oneself is inherently a weak idea. If you're killed or blocked or MDed in any way, your action is in effect wasted. I would think a solid player would know that even if powers aren't the norm here.

My more likely scenario is that sprit has been lightly after me since gfish was lynched, indicating that he thinks I'm Cereberus aligned. Saren of the Reapers has a one-shot tracking ability that I would say he hoped to catch me killing someone last night. Failing that, hoping to catch me in a lie about who I targeted would be an option. I'm on a lot of crap lists for being both quiet and not lynching folks who turned out to be scum. If he can waste a day lynching me, he can chalk it up to reads relatively easy as I'm not a terribly controversial lynch candidate at this point.

Bottom line, the action sprit claims to have taken is weak at best and I don't believe it for one minute. I think he's Saren or possibly Aria in the neutral segment.

Reverse-Tracking. RTing. Got it. These are new terms for most Syndicate folk, I think. We don't have a standard set of lingo for watching and tracking; those roles have been rarities in the past as far as I can remember

Your version of things sounds more believable than sprityo's version, at least at this point, where I'm still working toward full understanding of all the possibilities (as in, which roles are out there that can track/watch/RT, etc).

sprityo wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:For the record, I think self watching is generally a huge waste, especially with outed townies.

My gut told me to do it, and my gut got me some results

I dont see it as a waste

linki: unless your killer poisons you and you die the night after. but that's just me

1. What do you mean, Jack, "especially with outed townies"? Is sprityo an outed townie?

2. So, sprit is claiming to have self-watched, and Tali is the only role that can do that? I haven't looked at the roles for that yet.

3. Night 3, sprit, you self-watch and use up one of your two uses, based on gut. Do you suspect I_R? Do you know what he did to you? What are the possibilities?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Don't know what Hard and Soft are, the number is how many confirmed maf they have voted for.

If robots could feel love, I'd love you for trying.

Epi, where is your head at right now? Your play today has been odd, do you want to talk about it?

Odd? What should my play today ideally be?

We don't have to talk if you don't want to.

Epignosis wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Don't know what Hard and Soft are, the number is how many confirmed maf they have voted for.

If robots could feel love, I'd love you for trying.

Epi, where is your head at right now? Your play today has been odd, do you want to talk about it?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Sprityo claimed Tali, town x shot RT and iirc x shot misdirector or jailkeeper or some such.

I question the usefulness of his info, especially as a scumcatching device, given he had already claimed.

What we get from this is Sprityo vouching that you aren't the silencer and maybe not the mafia hitperson (assuming you were the only one to target him), for whatever that's worth.

He did? I think I skimmed too much on my phone at work and missed that.

S~V~S wrote: I am conflicted on Dizzy. I thought her voting pattern yesterday was a bad look for her yesterday. I also found it intriguing that her gif quotient was low until someone brought it up.

DID someone bring it up? That's what I was referencing here...

Long Con wrote:Happy birthday, Dizzy. Maybe I'm just paranoid, but Jack's post gave me a "distancing" feel. It's not actually based on anything but that post, and your incredulity about it makes me doubt it a little. But, hey, "Mafia"...amirite? Any deception is possible. There is something else I noticed about your latest posts, but I'm a-keepin' it under wraps for now.

... that's what I noticed. I did not notice someone bring it up though. Maybe I told you in our baddie BTSC? KIDDING!

But, in all seriousness, I did look back over my Jack suspicions, and:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Typed out a response to LC but you know what? I'm gonna save it to my notes app. I'm not getting lynched today and I don't need to argue myself into getting nightkilled.

This was not inspirational to me.

I believe Jack is probably bad. You can go through my posts to the several times I mentioned some suspicion if you like. Looking at them all together just made me go with trusting my gut. My gut has been not too bad lately.

My vote is on Epignosis right now, and I'd vote Wilgy even though he's silenced because I'm badass like that... but if those guys squirm away this lynch, you can count on my Jack vote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Show of hands. Anyone not helping the town at night?

Okay, good. We must all be town, then.

Too much optimism.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@SVS

Have it your way.

Lynching uncooperative Silver with his bullshit nonarguments and nonhunting worked out great. Lynching uncooperative Epi, Dizzy and SVS looks fine to me.

Ya'll are dead in the water anyway with four, maybe five confirmed townies.

Nice, can I be one of them? I'll be number maybe 5 even!

I assume fredwood and Nifty are two. I think that's been public enough, although it will take confirmation from one more player for me to fully believe Nifty. Off the top of my head I don't know any others, but I'm not always good at spotting that kind of thing. I'm not advocating that you tell your list or anything. But I like your optimism!

sprityo wrote:

Long Con wrote:Wilgy: why S~V~S?
Nifty - Because she's after Jack
DrWilgy - YOU GUYS MESSED UP ONE OF MY ANSWERS!!
Epi - There's evidence she's a Reaper
Fred - There's evidence she's Cerberus
I_R - I just have a gut feeling, that's all
Jack - Because I have info on her
LC - I don't like this cool communication game
MP07 - It's S~V~S' voting patterns
S~V~S - It's about who S~V~S isn't talking about
sprit - she's too smelly
TonyStarkPrime - none of the above

What are these words next to my name?

It's... not what it looks like, sprit.

S~V~S wrote:LC is trying to get Wilgy to say he suspects me by him moving his vote around from person to person. LC lost interest in this endeavor when I showed up and said why I thought Wilgy may have voted for me.

Dude! What?

1. I wasn't "trying to get Wilgy to say he suspects you". Wilgy already said he suspects you, and I was trying to discern why.
2. I lost interest in the endeavour when I got frustrated at some seeming miscommunication. I was also becoming slightly suspicious that Wilgy was just messing with me. Plus I had some RL business to attend to.

You are making this stuff way more about you than it was. The only reason you were involved was because Wilgy involved you, but your post here sounds like you think I was pushing your lynch. What's the deal?

There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I was instrumental in lynching one member of each mafia. You've refused to say why you think I'm bad.

My memory sucks. Can you concisely demonstrate how you were instrumental in these lynches? Bonus points if you can show valid reasons why it wasn't a bus of a teammate.

S~V~S wrote:I did in fact target Wilgy last night. But it was not harmful or silencing or anything of a bad nature.

AAAAUGH, so juicy! With a dash of hintclaim, my favourite.

Exciting! Role claims are juicy for sure.

Wilgy answered Nifty-no to the info question though, so I dunno. I'm actually done for now, I have to go and get dressed and do farm chores and start being productive. I hope someone else can engage with Wilgy and get some answers. Not at the expense of regular thread conversation, of course. Doesn't have to be Wilgy Day.

Ok, his vote is on Jack now. Perhaps that means he has info on S~V~S?
Wilgy: adam-yes, Nifty-no... do you have info that S~V~S is bad?

Long Con wrote:Wilgy has moved his vote back to himself, which I think is just a neutral resting point. If you're trying to say "you messed up my answers" then vote me instead, Doc.

OKAY, Wilgy has voted me, indicating that I messed up his answers somehow.

Wilgy: adam-yes, Nifty-no

Did I mess up the big multiple choice one about why you suspect S~V~S?

sprityo, do you suspect Raven, or do you believe Raven is Civ, following the targeting of you last night?

Raven, what do you think his answer will be?

Wilgy has moved his vote back to himself, which I think is just a neutral resting point. If you're trying to say "you messed up my answers" then vote me instead, Doc.

I switched my vote over to Epignosis, because I want to lynch him.

Ok, Wilgy has selected TSP, answering "none of the above". Well, I've got this thing going, y'all can ask him what you like. I don't really have a new question right now for him, but the framework is there now. He wants to lynch S~V~S, we know that much.

And I take it that Nifty targeted nutella, and nutella got a one-shot reloaded?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Nutella = Yes, I get Epi's list

Ok, if that's the case then I'll leave the latest multi-choice one up. To answer "It's who she isn't talking about", choose S~V~S instead Wilgy!

Shit, he was on nutella by the time I finished that post. Not sure what that is.

Long Con wrote:Wilgy: adam-yes, Nifty-no.... are you voting S~V~S because you want to lynch her?

Wilgy has voted adam, answering "Yes, I think we should lynch S~V~S".

Wilgy: why S~V~S?
Nifty - Because she's after Jack
DrWilgy - Because I have info on her
Epi - There's evidence she's a Reaper
Fred - There's evidence she's Cerberus
I_R - I just have a gut feeling, that's all
Jack - I'd rather lynch Long Con, but he's so handsome
LC - I don't like this cool communication game
MP07 - It's S~V~S' voting patterns
nut - It's about who S~V~S isn't talking about
sprit - she's too smelly
TonyStarkPrime - none of the above


Let me know if any of you want next question for Wilgy.

Long Con wrote:nutella-yes, sprityo-no

Wilgy do you understand Epi's list?

Wilgy has answered "S~V~S", so I'll take that as a maybe.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:What good does knowing if Wigly understands Epi's list? What's your best case scenario for this line of thinking?

It's not the most pertinent question, just want to get the lines of information flowing a little. If he answered yes then there would be some follow-up questions about the list, I suppose.

Wilgy: adam-yes, Nifty-no.... are you voting S~V~S because you want to lynch her?

Jack, feel free to ask Wilgy all the right questions. He's not my toy alone, I'm just playing with him for now.

S~V~S wrote:Show of hands~ does ANYONE think Jack is a civ?

I kind of do a bit. His "how many Mafia do I have to catch?" schtick is somewhat convincing. How involved was he in the lynches of GFish and Silver? I do recall his heavy pressure to vote Silver. Was it bussing? Did he do a lot to get GFish lynched? I forget. Maybe you can focus on those things for your Jack case, because it seems to be the main defense he's going for.

Epignosis wrote:Long Con is the only one below a zero.

Wilgy is the only one above a two.

Think people.

What part does your being enigmatic play in a Civ victory?

Wilgy has answered "Yes" by voting for Adam.

I have to switch it up or a second "yes" will not be known.

nutella-yes, sprityo-no

Wilgy do you understand Epi's list?

Epignosis wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:You know? I take back everything I said about Wigly. She's okay in my book.

Dizzy or Epi. I figure Dizzy.

Interesting.

"She's."

When he has already spoken about a "Wilgette."

"Yeah. If Wilgy is bad, Jack is on his team, and that was an attempt at distancing" is one opinion that came into my mind.

As long as Epignosis and DrWilgy are voting for DrWilgy, I'm happy to vote DrWilgy as well.

He's probably just silenced, or is pretending to be silenced to avoid the growing level of suspicion against him.

Hey Wilgy!! Voting "Adam" means "yes" and voting "CaptainNifty" means "no"... do you understand?

Let's have some fun with a communication system.

Also:

Epignosis wrote:DrWilgy

Ok, I fold.

One possibility: Epignosis believes Wilgy is a Reaper, and he chose Alliance.

Another: Wilgy is a Reaper, and has known Epi to be one for a while, and Epi is taking the chance on a good-looking bus

A Third: Epi is playing a game that we don't get to understand yet

Fredwood wrote:Looks like Shep chose the flirt option.

Is it okay that I don't understand what you mean?

nutella wrote:Cool no death!

Now I need to sort out my thoughts for this lynch Several players I'm iffy on (Nifty, Wilgy, Jack, SVS) but nothing really confident.

Nut! You haven't been on my radar yet this game. What's going on with you these days?

Speaking of Nifty - Nif, who'd you target?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Love it - let's get going on Wilgy then!

You're on the exact opposite end of the spectrum as Wilgy.

I know, I didn't know you were this cool with me, bud.

Epignosis wrote:I've assigned everyone alive a score and a rank.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Love it - let's get going on Wilgy then!