The Syndicate

So I hear I have S~V~S to thank for a Civ win? Cool.

You silly baddies thought I had a non-vanilla role I bet!

a2thezebra wrote:Wilgy, the evil one of the forest.

The eye of madness.

The dark malevolator.

The violator of all creatures.

The hearth of tears.

The harbinger of disaster.

The small of peen.

Sketchy stuff all around! If I'm Locke, I probably have a cool power role, because I'm Special, right?

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yay nihilism!

Was Lost just spoiled for me? I was lookong forward to watching it! Kappa

@Scotty I haven't had the opportunity to catch up, only lightly skim so my thoughts remain the same.

Not really, no. Since many of us originally came from a LOST forum, it did not occur to me that LOST spoilers would be a problem. But that was not really a spoiler, it was more my bitter & jaded reaction to what might have been a spoiler ha ha.

Linki, ooo interesting. I wonder if anyone got my hints, probably everyone or noone ha ha.

I have to go to work, but I'm looking forward to going back over your posts and seeing! Did I hint?

a2thezebra wrote:Faith in Lord Skeletor.

It would be pretty ballsy to claim Sawyer early in the game, as a baddie.

Hmm.

I just thought of an ugly twist that would most definitely even the scales. Golden tells The Others a list of Losties that didn't survive the plane crash, at the outset of the game. I think that would be a great way to do a closed setup, roleclaiming-allowed game.

a2thezebra wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I really don't understand what's going on now.

In an alternate timeline, you are getting lynched today.

*inhales*

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa dude

Bullzeye wrote:I really don't understand what's going on now.

In an alternate timeline, you are getting lynched today.

So, me, TheFloyd, Bullzeye. That's the Matt-stragglers now. It ain't me. Ok, I'll go Floyd. *votes TheFloyd73*

I like it, Zebra! Maybe if a baddie knew that Matt would turn up Civ, they would avoid the bandwagon to try and look better. I have to look again to see what the Floyd thing is. A bit of skim and a bit of two-games-at-once makes me need a double-check sometimes.

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:I do not wish to claim my role...yet. Suspect me for that if you like, but I am immediately suspicious of anyone that asks everyone to claim.

I already know your role.

Same to you, cowboy.

Matt wrote:Yo peeps! Well I'll be smack in the middle of my ten hour shift when the lynch takes place. I PMed Golden to see if I could do this and he said yes sooooo

I am not the moon. That is all.

Peace and good luck town!

I don't remember the moon being a big part of the lore. What am I missing here?

He's not "the moon". He's "NOT-the-moon". You know, wife of "not-rum-or-vodka"?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Scotty, no, I have never played a closed setup. I think. You think it would turn bad if we all claimed?

Are we allowed to list players who have claimed and what role they claimed? I don't know if Golden has safeguards. I don't see how it could turn against the Civs to all claim, isn't the worst outcome that we all claim a different Lostie role and then we're back at square 1? Detective work?

There are 40+ survivors from Oceanic Flight 815.

Role claiming isn't going to break anything.

But it might make the Others a little more nervous, wouldn't it, Someone Who Sounds Very Familiar To Me But I Can't Quite Put My Finger On Where I've Heard of Him Before?

That's what it seemed like to me. I want to know all the negative possibilities of all-claiming.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not claiming.

Why not?

Typhoony wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Typhoony wrote:You go first, LC.
I don't like roleclaiming at all in open mafia games, but in closed games, .

*ping*

Ping how? Someone basically cleared me, why would I not claim as one of the last few?

My thoughts were that a baddie would want to wait for all the Civs to claim, and then claim the leftover not-in-the-game Lostie identity.

Scotty, no, I have never played a closed setup. I think. You think it would turn bad if we all claimed?

Are we allowed to list players who have claimed and what role they claimed? I don't know if Golden has safeguards. I don't see how it could turn against the Civs to all claim, isn't the worst outcome that we all claim a different Lostie role and then we're back at square 1? Detective work?

Long Con wrote:

Typhoony wrote:You go first, LC.
I don't like roleclaiming at all in open mafia games, but in closed games, .

*ping*

Ha ha, wait. I forgot about the "you not dying" thing. I rescind the ping unless some evidence comes up that there's been a deception on that front.

Typhoony wrote:You go first, LC.
I don't like roleclaiming at all in open mafia games, but in closed games, .

*ping*

Epignosis wrote:I wouldn't have bought this if Danny Boy hadn't been lynched.

Yes, I came to the same conclusion... and for another, show-related reason.

We lost Home Alone Mafia because everyone was too polite to just role-claim when it was within the rules to do so. Our community is really touchy on roleclaiming, so much so that many of us can't do it even when it's an allowed part of the game.

Why is that?

One answer could be that if everyone just claimed their role, then it would be far too simple to find the baddies and the detective-style Mafia game would be shunted aside for a simpler version of the game called "Who is lying?"

However, I don't want to lose because I'm too polite. I don't really see the difference between saying "I'm not the moon get what I did there? " and saying "I am Sun".

So, if we're doing this, then let's not dance around it. Why not just state our roles at (or near) the outset?

Matt wrote:LC, my dude! I thought we shared something special as host/player in AWR, I suppose I was wrong. Haha!

Matt, my dude! You were one of the most special gems in the entire game for me. Your passion and drive and successes were shining examples of what makes it all worthwhile to me. I was deeply grateful that I had a fine player like you in A World Reborn. If the game was made up of 30 Matts, it would have been absolutely spectacular.

I think zebra is in a very bad position currently, unless her win condition is Matt's death.

a2thezebra wrote:Yup.

Strong words. Ok, I'll put my faith in you. *votes Matt*

Are you sure enough to put your name on the line that Matt is Mafia, Z? As in, if he's Civ, you're next?

LOL

Well, it's late, I've had my last drink, and everything I said was just the truth. It's always best to have some suspicion in order to keep the baddies from wanting to nightkill you. Assuming they want to kill the Civviest-looking players that they'll never be able to lynch.

Assuming they can kill. Suckas. It reminds me of my last game, the Home Alone Christmas game - the Doctor protected me on Night 1 and the kill failed, so he knew I was a Civ. We still lost in classic tragic form, but that was a good start at least.

I will laugh if that happened again. I mean, I think it happened, and that the Doctor (shall we say Jack?) now knows for sure the identity of a Civ... but if it was me again, that would just tickle me.

As for my extremely brief nutella vote... well, sometimes I think a Day 1 lynch should just make a hard right turn and slam down on an unprepared target. It's probably a result of seeing WAY too many Civs lynched on Day 1 - like, the way we do things is generally proven to not work, so doing ANYTHING else is the smartest move.

I went for it with the nutella thing, but then quickly realized that my "original plan" to control the tied vote myself was what I wanted to do. "Original plan" doesn't mean what I started the game doing, it just means what my stated plan in the late lynch was.

Scotty wrote:From a cursory glance, you tied the vote up twice earlier on, before declaring on a 5-4 count that you had "no interest in tying it up or letting a baddie decide." So to me, it seemed messy, like you were forgetting what your strategy was. You definitely made a statement by putting the nail in the coffin for DFaraday. Would a baddie be so bold as to do that to protect a baddie in broad daylight? Maybe. Mayne not.

Maybe it was messy, I am perfectly willing to change directions midstream when a new idea of how baddies might think/react occurs to me. Sometimes, my stated intent is not my real intent, but merely what I need the baddies to think it is in order to gauge reactions that they don't know I'm looking for. Shit gets messy sometimes, I can't help that. I'm far from a perfect player. Maybe a little messy is what we need to get a baddie off-balance.

You realize that you knowing that you made the final vote doesn't help us out, right? It's almost as useful as looking at the winning lottery numbers from 2 weeks ago. (Hint: the second number is 8)

Oh yes, I realize it entirely. I chose to do what helps ME know certain truths. The Civvies can choose to trust me or not to. And that just means to trust that I'm Civ, not to trust that I know what's best or who is bad. Mostly I'm a pretty bad player, and sometimes I do something worthwhile. I don't know when that is going to happen, I just have to try stuff.

Epignosis wrote:Hey Sonic, don't you have some Chaos Emeralds to chase?

I'm a big fan of games, myself.

Oh, and the "original plan" thing, what is this opinion you're giving about my original plan?

"That sure doesn't sound like his original plan" - ok, what did my original plan sound like?

"I don't even know if he knows his original plan" - so, if I don't know my own original plan, then it's pretty likely that there wasn't one. So how can what I said *not* sound like my original plan if it didn't exist?

Is this... do you think that I'm an easy target because I put myself out there like that?

Scotty wrote:LC then changes his vote to DFaraday, with the explanation:

I switched my vote to DFaraday. I'm not sure between him (5) and Matt (4), but I have no interest in tying it up or in letting a baddie decide which of them goes, so I'm crossing my fingers. Sorry, DF!

*votes DFaraday*

(DFaraday 6, Matt 4, Floyd 1)

This is a very odd vote because his entire Day 1 has been predicated on tieing the vote. To then not wish to tie the vote as a reason to vote for someone when it's becoming 2 candidates to be thrown into the jungle? A little hypocritical, honestly.
Even more interesting is his vote 1.5 hours later for nutella, only to realize that he tied the vote again, which wasn't his "original plan", and he puts it back on Faraday. Once again, that sure doesn't sound like his original plan...I don't even know if he knows his original plan, or the purpose of this change.

Ok, that's not hypocritical, because I was never one of the people that was jazzed about a tie. First, there was a big, wide tie of one vote among eight players. When I looked at that, it read to me as "a Civvie will almost definitely die here" because that's just about the simplest lynch situation for a baddie to control. Just place a second vote on someone not on your team and the baddies are safe from Day 1 lynch.

So then Wilgy put a vote on someone, and I put a vote on him, because I thought that would make a more information-conducive lynch situation than just leaving my vote on S~V~S.

I know I was putting myself out there by being the one to break the 5-5 tie. I just preferred that I know who did it after the results were in, instead of someone else doing it. Because someone else would have done it! We're not the only people on this island and we all know it!

What is this technique? Tell me about the 0.1%, Bullz!

I cast the deciding vote on DF. Does that mean I saved Matt intentionally?

How do you KNOW that one of the two Day 1 lynch guys was bad, Zebra?

RIP DF, I'm sorry. I was only doing what the Island demanded.

Heh, now that I look at it, the poll is tied 5-5 without my vote for DFaraday. Which is exactly what I was going to not let happen. I better stick with my original plan.

*votes DFaraday*

Epignosis wrote:You knuckledraggers could be helping me lynch Nut "three posts" Ella instead.

Ok, let's try that!

*votes nutella*

I switched my vote to DFaraday. I'm not sure between him (5) and Matt (4), but I have no interest in tying it up or in letting a baddie decide which of them goes, so I'm crossing my fingers. Sorry, DF!

*votes DFaraday*

a2thezebra wrote:I am not a socialist, although some people tell me I put too many different spices in my spaghetti sauce if you know what I mean.

*nods slowly with unsure expression*

Typhoony wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Long Con

Why Long Con, Typh ol' buddy ol' pal?

Wilgy asked for baddies to vote him.
You voted Wilgy.
So you've got some explaining to do

That is rather criminally incriminating, but I did just explain my Wilgy vote, and I had already changed my vote to Floyd before you mentioned it, so I think that's all in order.

DrWilgy wrote:Long Con, don't wrek me bro

Ok bro. I only moved my vote to you because it was a whole array of one-vote folks, and you made DFaraday the only two-vote guy. I thought putting a pressure vote on someone else who had a single vote might result in more information than leaving it in a sea of one-votes.

Now things are different, and I think Floyd's 2 posts leave some to be desired. Currently tying the vote at two-apiece between DFaraday, DrWilgy, and TheFloyd73.

*votes TheFloyd73*

Typhoony wrote:Long Con

Why Long Con, Typh ol' buddy ol' pal?

I'm changing my vote. *votes DrWilgy*

nutella wrote:

TheFloyd73 wrote:G'day, I'm finally here.
Matt, I'm assuming you're voting for Bullz due to being scum in other matches. What makes you certain that they are scum here?
Nutella, care to explain your vote?

I don't really have an explanation. It's day one and votes are changeable so I threw it on. Call it a random hunch, it's pretty meaningless. Like reading tea leaves.

Give us an Oracle-like reading of the tea leaves then - what did you see that made you vote for Floyd instead of DFaraday or Epignosis?

Scotty wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:hey hey hey,I am a socialist.

Yeah, well, go along with Tuft-Head, Sassafras. Go on. Get.

Stop calling me Sassafras. I am Team Juliet

Who is Juliet? Were you on the plane at all? I don't remember a bear with a crown on her head traipsing around in first class.

She would have been in a crate in the cargo hold. Royalty or not, there are regulations. Maybe she met Vincent?

S~V~S wrote:hey hey hey,I am a socialist.

*votes S~V~S*

Sorry, but I can't be associated with you. If I get put on the blacklist, I'm finished in this town!

S~V~S wrote:I think it is known throughout the land that Bullz has the same chance mathematically of being bad or good each game as anyone else.

Real suspicion or jokey suspicion?

Is this a question or a suspicion?

Scandalous!

Two games starting in one day, this is exciting business! We're voting for Bullzeye today? Is that what you said Matt? I don't see why not.