The Syndicate

Sig, have I ever played a game where you were bad? I'm looking through our games together to check your claims, and I haven't yet seen one.

sig wrote:Mafia LC in every game we've played has tried to lynch me for weak reasons.
Civ LC has almost never gone along with the lynch mob when we were both civs.

If you're trying to be honest, then you're remembering specific games and applying them across the board. And what I was doing wasn't "trying to lynch you for weak reasons".

Also, what "lynch mob" am I going or not going along with in this game? You sound paranoid.

LC is giving very anti-civ reasons for his vote on me which doesn't fit within his normal civ behavior.

This sentence is pure meaningless propaganda. "very anti-civ reasons"...what? My "normal civ behavior"... well, I imagine when you define someones words as "anti-civ", it kind of follows automatically that that kind of thing doesn't fit with "normal civ behavior".

Anyways, going to bed now. Thanks again, DH (and Quin, for the intentions).

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:BWT, Wilgy, sig, Sorsha, Floyd... those are the players that I feel most negative about in this here Hatch. BWT and Floyd are low-posters as I recall, maybe the lowest? Sorsha is down there as well. sig, I think some of his posts made me suspicious. I'd love to be able to look back over that one. And dear Wilgy... maybe I don't suspect Wilgy so much.

This doesn't need to be about low-posters yet though. 48 hours in this Hatch, right?

I found what triggered my tonal baddie read of you LC. Why am I your dear, cutie? What prompted this endearment you have of me?

Dude, I don't know. It's too early for me to have been drunk. It's just weird to me now looking back. Maybe it was something I was reading or watching, or some character that tickled my fancy that I was channelling? I feel like it would be said in the accent of some young English nobleman... that's all I've got for ya, honey.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Quin wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:It's possible I confused BR's post. Might not be the best place to put a vote.

I thought our reasons for putting her name out there were the same. Was I wrong?

Was your reason because her post/vote seemed opportunistic and hasty?

I called this a leading question because this was the first time the words "opportunistic" and "hasty" had been used to describe BR's post and vote. When Quin said your reasons were the same, it was clear that those reasons were about her voting Floyd while mentioning only Timmer and Mac.

Do you understand why I called this a leading question?

Yeah, cuz you didn't understand that my reasoning for putting BR's name out there was because I mistakenly thought her post/vote was hasty and opportunistic.

Hey, I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

ALSO

Are u bad?

No, I am Civ.

DharmaHelper wrote:LC aside from me who would you feel most confident in lynching?

I thought this was cute. When did I say anything about lynching you, friend?

DharmaHelper wrote:Do I ever drop hints ever in the history of ever

I'm going to assume the implied answer is "no"?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Quin wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:It's possible I confused BR's post. Might not be the best place to put a vote.

I thought our reasons for putting her name out there were the same. Was I wrong?

Was your reason because her post/vote seemed opportunistic and hasty?

I called this a leading question because this was the first time the words "opportunistic" and "hasty" had been used to describe BR's post and vote. When Quin said your reasons were the same, it was clear that those reasons were about her voting Floyd while mentioning only Timmer and Mac.

Do you understand why I called this a leading question?

sig wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

sig wrote:Also quick thing I really don't think lynching Floyd is the way to go, he could be mafia yes, but its hard to tell since he hasn't really posted at all. I know mafia floyd does this, but that was also like his first and second game here which could play into his low posting. If I had to pick a player to lynch I think I'd go with DH and lynch LC. Unless I'm misreading DH and really screwing up my read of LC, I believe LC isn't a civ.

Weren't you riding my jock D1? What changed?

Well you were right I guess, also mainly I picked up a few hints and connected a few dots.?

DH, does this mean anything to you? By that I mean, did you drop hints on Day 1?

Sorsha wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:... I'm also eyeing LC and LoRab for entertaining the thought that Floyd might be silenced.

How is this a justifiable basis for suspicion?

You're bad.

You're wrong.

sig wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I think I'll take this opportunity to vote LC.

Why?

I sense a disturbance in the force.

This is very very telling.

Is it literally very very telling? Good times.

But seriously, the way I read this is that sig believes that DH is referencing some sort of information. Right? Am I reading that right? It's fucking hard to tell when people are intentionally vague about their meaning. Is that what other people took away from that?

DH, why don't you step up and clarify for sig that you do not have any information, and that your comment was just a flippant and fun toss-out?

Sorsha wrote:... I'm also eyeing LC and LoRab for entertaining the thought that Floyd might be silenced.

How is this a justifiable basis for suspicion?

sig wrote:I'll be reading over LC logic for lynching me, but a very good rule of thumb with LC is that if he is voting for me he is mafia. This isn't some wild accusation this is a meta driven thought process.

Back to this one.

Sig, there is no correlation between my alignment and whether or not I'll vote for you. We do not have that kind of Mafia relationship. That is something you have invented between us, and it's all in your head.



I'm just not that into you.

Professor Farnsworth wrote:

Long Con wrote:However, I will place a vote on Farnsworth until he gives a full explanation of his Floyd suspicion.

Voting for sockpuppets is a victimless crime - like punching someone in the dark!

Priz said something about his "sources" telling him something.

DH was like, "Sources? YOU MUST HAVE BADDIE BTSC!" in an obviously joking manner.

Then Floyd came along like, "Yeah, that sounds good." *votes Priz*

He also, to my recollection did not mention Priz again after that point (if he even posted at all afterwards). I know the word opportunistic gets thrown around a lot on here, but there's no better way to describe Floyd's vote. Hiding behind someone else's suspicion then offering no independent thought on the matter.

I'll go ahead and vote Floyd for now. I wouldn't be opposed to a sig lynch either, but I don't actively suspect him the way I do Floyd.

Just wanted to quote this as an example of a totally reasonable exchange. Note that Prof did not freak out and accuse me of being bad and go to try and research reasons to convince everyone I was bad. Even though I cast a vote for him.

Imagine that.

DharmaHelper wrote:So LC, of those confined to the Hatch whom do you suspect and why?

Long Con wrote:BWT, Wilgy, sig, Sorsha, Floyd... those are the players that I feel most negative about in this here Hatch. BWT and Floyd are low-posters as I recall, maybe the lowest? Sorsha is down there as well. sig, I think some of his posts made me suspicious. I'd love to be able to look back over that one. And dear Wilgy... maybe I don't suspect Wilgy so much.

This doesn't need to be about low-posters yet though. 48 hours in this Hatch, right?

I was asked a question, and I looked at the list of players. Allow me to elucidate you about my thought process to answer as honestly as I could.

Black Rock - I avoid Black Rock for the first half of the game as much as possible, which is best for fairness to everyone else.
birdwithteeth11 - Hadn't yet posted. Is he bad and laying low? Does he know the game is on? Is he too busy to play? I don't know.
DharmaHelper - Has a major schtick going on that I haven't seen before. Not sure what's up with him, not ready to drop the axe at this time.
DrWilgy - On the fence about him, that much is obvious in my post
Long Con - Perfect specimen of Mafia awesomeness
LoRab - Feel good about Lorab based on Day 1 stuff
Professor Farnsworth - Felt all right about him, I guess... to be honest I don't remeber why without Main thread reference
Quin - Felt good about Quin after Day 1
sig - Turbulent Day 1, some suspicions coming out of it
Sorsha - Not much content I remembered, laying low maybe?
TheFloyd73 - somewhat prominent Day 1 suspect, and major laying low
timmer - Felt pretty good about timmer after Day 1

So, yeah. That was my list for DH of the people I suspected the most. So, to this:

sig wrote:I'd also like to point out the irony of giving LC a chance when he was literally saying we should lynch low posters/no shows and was gung oh ready to lynch me when I wasn't around.

No. Just no. There is no irony, because I wasn't "literally saying we should lynch low posters". I was giving my feelings about the Hatch folks at the start of the day. There's a vast fucking difference, sig.

And I've already made it clear how wrong it is to say I was "gung ho to lynch you when you weren't around". That's butthurt talk, and it doesn't reflect what really happened at all.

Sorsha wrote:Why pick sig? If you wanted to rile up the thread why not pick someone who was at least posting? What if we all bandwagoned sig, he was lynched and flipped civ? Or flipped bad? What would we have learned?

Why not sig? How is another player better than sig?

If everyone just smiled and agreed and voted sig, then that would really say a lot about everyone in the thread. I assume in this hypothetical situation that sig never showed up at all and defended himself? Ok. If he flipped Civ, then that would suck, if he flipped bad then it would have been good. How much we learned is based on the different reactions of players. WTF are you talking about, Sorsha? These questions are not useful or interesting at all.

You think I had some plan on how to handle every eventuality of casting a vote on sig? Is that how you play? That's... ridiculous. Am I to believe that you do that for every post you make, every vote you cast? Get outta here with that crap. I'm sorry, but your questions are pretty irrelevant. I made a move to get things going. That's the start and the end of that story. There is no explanation about "what would we have learned if...?"

DH, I already identified that smell hours ago.

Ok, let's start with what has sig so riled up about me.

Long Con wrote:I'm disappointed with the activity in here. Sig hasn't even posted, I'm thinking maybe we should just do the Main Thread a favour and lynch him today, to end the sig debate and get to start a little fresher on Day 3.

Sig, look at how I started this post. Read that sentence. Then read it again.

The thread was just not happening at the time, and I said this to stir things up. Get some reactions. Get some people talking - get YOU talking. Something. I was fucking tired of coming back to the thread, ready to engage, and seeing that I was still the last poster. I go to bed, get up, come back, and there's one post. It was pathetic.

You are reacting as though I tried to slam-dunk your lynch-lock behind your back. That is not even close to what I was doing. I didn't even expect my vote to be on you by the day's end - this is the benefit of changeable votes, sig. You can use your vote as pressure.

Let me ask you: what would you think of a player who read that post, and agreed with me, and was like "Yeah, let's lynch sig, he's too quiet!" or something. Would that be something you'd like to know about that player? That they are willing to do that? What about a player that says "Uh, LC, that shit is wack. I'm not casting a vote for sig unless I see a real case against him!" Is that something you'd be interested in knowing?

I can tell you're angry about this post, and my vote. If you want to deal with it in a realistic way, then take a step back and look at it again. I wasn't trying to lynch you. I was trying to use you.

....I'll post things in separate posts, but I have more to say.

DharmaHelper wrote:Which of these is most likely:

A) There was a lynch switch
B) Floyd's results were sent to the other thread
C) Soneji was the only lynchee

LOL I was assuming C. Soneji got 6 or more votes is what I'm thinking. B would be hilarious, because we wouldn't even know, since Floyd ain't talking either way. 'A' seems not right... I doubt one of us could switch the lynch to one of them today.

I wonder why Soneji went down. And why the Hosts made Trump a Civvie.

DH, I want to thank you for being willing to give me a chance. I'm home from work now, and I want to go back over things and make some responses. I was afraid the Hatch would be gone.

Gimme a sec... settling in, getting some food, etc. I'm here all night.

Please stop. Can't defend myself right now, I'm at work. Please, I am sCiv, give me a chance to defend myself. At least I've been playing, if Floyd is not silence then he's not even playing. I deserve that at least. Give me a chance.

Voting Floyd

At work now. Can't post much. Look at the context, I was frustrated that there was nothing happening, so I made something happen. Sig, I have no case against you, please look at the context.

Sig. Changeable votes. You are overreacting. I am Civ. I was just trying to rev up the thread.

Nice leading question, DH.

sig wrote:

Long Con wrote:

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

LoRab wrote:Thus far, BR, Professor Farnsworth, Sig, and Floyd haven't posted yet. Yes?

Just to track if someone is silenced....or someone is pretending to be.

I would hope that silencing wouldn't be a thing in a scenario where we are split into groups.

Why not? If there is a silencing role or roles, I'd assume that role/those roles would still go through...I don't see why not?

Yes, this.

I don't think BR is silenced. Hopefully she will get in here. I know she just hasn't played Mafia in a while, so it's hard for her to fit time for it into her normal routine.

This is weird? Bringing up silencing when we literally have no idea if it is real, it's like when people talk about their role to spite the silenced player.

Are you eyeing me or Lorab here?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I think I'll take this opportunity to vote LC.

Why?

I sense a disturbance in the force.

This is very very telling.

Probably, but not in the way you seem to mean it.

DharmaHelper wrote:Surely Black Rock hasn't just pulled a quote entirely unrelated to Floyd to justify a vote for him to break the tie and save a teammate.

The post is not unrelated to Floyd. Timmer made it clear he meant Floyd when he said Mac. Quit showboating and start playing the game.

DharmaHelper wrote:I dunno who it could be, but "Here's a post by timmer that doesn't mention Floyd so I suspect Floyd and will vote for him" Doesn't track.

You are clearly more dedicated to leading a bandwagon than understanding something that takes just a little bit of critical thought.

sig wrote: I'll be reading over LC logic for lynching me, but a very good rule of thumb with LC is that if he is voting for me he is mafia. This isn't some wild accusation this is a meta driven thought process.

Ok, if it's meta-driven, prove it. You're making it up.

Sorsha wrote:I'm also eyeing LC and LoRab for entertaining the thought that Floyd might be silenced.

Floyd has been seen reading the thread several times, and has not posted once, despite being discussed. How do you explain this, Sorsha? I agree that he's not a likely silencing target. Maybe a silence got redirected to him. I don't know.

Quin wrote:Where do you stand on BR?

I don't think she's bad.

This thread turned into an explosion of bullshit, hard to decide where to begin.

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:What if Floyd is silenced?

Idk. He was here earlier today.

Floyd isn't a bad vote really. Kinda the same case as Sig in which I'd be OK with him being lynched for the sake of advancing discussion. My reason to vote Sig over Floyd is that Quin thing.

...but you wouldn't consider your statement as among the scummiest of the game?

What if Floyd is silenced?

DharmaHelper wrote:I dunno about you, LC. I just don't know.

Welcome to Mafia.

Professor Farnsworth wrote:Priz said something about his "sources" telling him something.

DH was like, "Sources? YOU MUST HAVE BADDIE BTSC!" in an obviously joking manner.

Then Floyd came along like, "Yeah, that sounds good." *votes Priz*

He also, to my recollection did not mention Priz again after that point (if he even posted at all afterwards). I know the word opportunistic gets thrown around a lot on here, but there's no better way to describe Floyd's vote. Hiding behind someone else's suspicion

Thanks, Professor.

I'm going to change my vote to sig for now. I'm also cool with a Floyd lynch.

DharmaHelper wrote:Why do you constantly assume my suspicion of you is only to bait reactions to it

I may vote sign in this thread but I may also get you lynched in the main thread.

I don't think "constantly" is appropriate.

And it's your method of accusing me that lead me to that conclusion. You vote without explanation, and then you were asked why, and you fluffed it off. Then 7 hours later - one might say, after you didn't get the reactions you hoped to see one way or another - you come back and list your reasons.

I'm disappointed with the activity in here. Sig hasn't even posted, I'm thinking maybe we should just do the Main Thread a favour and lynch him today, to end the sig debate and get to start a little fresher on Day 3.

Hope you got some sleep.

timmer wrote:Sorry guys, mega long day, souble shift. My thoughts are the same as this morning. I have another double tmorrow, so I'll tune in around lunch and figure out where my vote will go. I could see a MacD vote, but in case he is silenced, MACD you need to post in other non-mafia areas of the site to show that you are around but can't post in here.

Dude.. I don't know how to break it to you... Macdougall is dead. We lynched him already. He was bad. He's not silenced, I get it, it's hard, but.. he's not coming back.

I saw Floyd online earlier, later than it was first referenced - somewhere above, "ennui or BTSC?" I don't really feel like reading the thread multiple times without posting leads me to believe BTSC. Seems more like silencing. That's a whole other can of worms. He certainly wasn't silenced in the Main Thread, and yet, not much content.

I didn't ask you to explain the details of your vote on me. "I just have my vote on you for now", sure dude, thanks for letting me know. I was as interested as you to see what would happen. That's why I didn't respond to it. Then Sorsha asked why, and you acted all aloof, with a smarmy answer instead of something that anyone in the thread can ever use or reference seriously.

Later you decided to do what you should have done in the first place: explain some reasons for your vote. Like... what was it all about before? Reaction fishing? Sure, I guess it has its merits, but it didn't go so well from what I saw. Very little response, you need to bait your hook better if that's the case.

If it's any consolation, you got thew best rise out of me with B). So close to starting it up over that.

Linki: I'm your huckleberry

Aggressively-minded, eh? Ok, let's leave that till we get back, not sure what I did exactly. Unless I get lynched today, then we don't have to wait!

Do you really want to get into it with me? I'm almost tempted, just due to the lack of action currently in the thread.

Or we could focus on someone else.

Or we could focus on you. What are you all about this game? You're carving yourself some sort of unique niche. What's that all about? It's nice and ballsy, the kind of thing I look at and say "Yeah, I should do something like that someday!"

Maybe you should reiterate A) a little, I don't specifically remember what you were saying.

DharmaHelper wrote:Well that's a bummer.

Sorry, I shouldn't have asked the Hosts.

DrWilgy wrote:Thanks for the response LC, were there any others whose timing you think is worse than your own?

Probably later is worse-looking, although knowing the timing of when the voters were online is a factor. I, of course, have insider knowledge about when Black Rock gets online, which is why I tend to avoid talking about her too much in the game. Then the last vote was... Coltrane? Hard for me to condemn someone for voting Mac when I voted Mac. As I said earlier in here, I don't have a strong suspicion of anyone on the Mac train. Maybe some baddie tried to elevate their game into Champion Mode and voted before me. That would be impressive, and too well done for me to figure out.

DrWilgy wrote:LC, what do you think I should be suspicious of you for (if anything).

The timing of my Macdougall vote. It was just when things started to really turn around on him - at least at the time it was cast. I don't know if I used the term "slam dunk case", but it felt really great at the time. I do know I used the term "smoking gun" to describe Metalmarsh's joke-post-twin discovery, and voted very soon after, based on that.

I did think it was a very convincing case, and I kind of assumed that a lot of other people would as well. With a projected snowball like that, the best time for a teammate to get on board was sooner, and I would say that time was just flirting with passing at the time of my vote.

Otherwise, I don't think there's much to suspect me for. Ask DH, he seems to have some opinions, though they currently remain wrapped in enigmatic aloofness. I'm not sure if he's reaction-baiting, or carefully building his own place within the game, or if it's a genuine suspicion.

However, I will place a vote on Farnsworth until he gives a full explanation of his Floyd suspicion.

Voting for sockpuppets is a victimless crime - like punching someone in the dark!

DrWilgy wrote:Here's the Priz meme again.

I'm in.

No, that's over. Priz meme doesn't mean BTSC anymore. It's an accepted nickname.

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

LoRab wrote:Thus far, BR, Professor Farnsworth, Sig, and Floyd haven't posted yet. Yes?

Just to track if someone is silenced....or someone is pretending to be.

I would hope that silencing wouldn't be a thing in a scenario where we are split into groups.

Why not? If there is a silencing role or roles, I'd assume that role/those roles would still go through...I don't see why not?

Yes, this.

I don't think BR is silenced. Hopefully she will get in here. I know she just hasn't played Mafia in a while, so it's hard for her to fit time for it into her normal routine.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:You can count on me. This is my only game, and I needs ma Mafia.

What's "fam"?

Fam[ily]

i.e one's peers, or friends.

You use it a lot these days, and you didn't before. Is it just a Syndicate thing, or do you say it in real life interactions as well?

You can count on me. This is my only game, and I needs ma Mafia.

What's "fam"?

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:So, the bad guys probably placed people in both places. So they get to know what's going on... unless... anyone know from the original Lost Again game if the BTSC gets to cross over from Beach to Hatch? I assume baddie BTSC is uninterrupted. The good news is that we probably have a chance to lynch two baddies today. Let's at least try to show up our Beach compatriots and lynch well!

I look at our player list and I see a lot of people that I could vote for.

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:RIP Epi. So, whoever predicted this outcome... was right. The Hatch/Beach thing.

Outcome?

The Hatch/Beach thing.

I don't mean to sound stupid but how did you come to any of these conclusions? Are our positions not based entirely on our poll choice?

Why do we "probably have" a good chance of lynching two baddies?

Hm

Of course our positions are based on poll choicew. Don't "hm" me. I think the baddies would want to have information/influence in both places, and would strategically decide to split the team. I came to that conclusion because it makes a lot of sense. Do you disagree?

I didn't say we "probably have a good chance" of lynching two baddies. I said we "probably have a chance". If I'm wrong, then all the baddies are in one place.

I misread "the baddies probably placed people in both places" as meaning they sorted the players in both threads.

A little defensive ey?

Hm.

Puh-leeze.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:So, the bad guys probably placed people in both places. So they get to know what's going on... unless... anyone know from the original Lost Again game if the BTSC gets to cross over from Beach to Hatch? I assume baddie BTSC is uninterrupted. The good news is that we probably have a chance to lynch two baddies today. Let's at least try to show up our Beach compatriots and lynch well!

I look at our player list and I see a lot of people that I could vote for.

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:RIP Epi. So, whoever predicted this outcome... was right. The Hatch/Beach thing.

Outcome?

The Hatch/Beach thing.

I don't mean to sound stupid but how did you come to any of these conclusions? Are our positions not based entirely on our poll choice?

Why do we "probably have" a good chance of lynching two baddies?

Hm

Of course our positions are based on poll choicew. Don't "hm" me. I think the baddies would want to have information/influence in both places, and would strategically decide to split the team. I came to that conclusion because it makes a lot of sense. Do you disagree?

I didn't say we "probably have a good chance" of lynching two baddies. I said we "probably have a chance". If I'm wrong, then all the baddies are in one place.

BWT, Wilgy, sig, Sorsha, Floyd... those are the players that I feel most negative about in this here Hatch. BWT and Floyd are low-posters as I recall, maybe the lowest? Sorsha is down there as well. sig, I think some of his posts made me suspicious. I'd love to be able to look back over that one. And dear Wilgy... maybe I don't suspect Wilgy so much.

This doesn't need to be about low-posters yet though. 48 hours in this Hatch, right?

So, the bad guys probably placed people in both places. So they get to know what's going on... unless... anyone know from the original Lost Again game if the BTSC gets to cross over from Beach to Hatch? I assume baddie BTSC is uninterrupted. The good news is that we probably have a chance to lynch two baddies today. Let's at least try to show up our Beach compatriots and lynch well!

I look at our player list and I see a lot of people that I could vote for.

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:RIP Epi. So, whoever predicted this outcome... was right. The Hatch/Beach thing.

Outcome?

The Hatch/Beach thing.

RIP Epi. So, whoever predicted this outcome... was right. The Hatch/Beach thing.