The Syndicate

Thanks Wilgy!

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:17 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:44 pm BUT POPPY! HOW CAN THERE BE THIS MANY WOLFIES WHO HAVE OPENLY STATED THEY HAVE NO CIVILIAN MENTALITY IN PURSUING LYNCHES?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:22 pm I want to win, but I want to have some fun too

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:07 am If I don't see some suspicions from Poppy that are not OMGUS/No U, then I will vote to lynch. Annoying is one thing, but annoying and wilfully unproductive... that's an ear of a different flavour.

thellama73 wrote:ALl in favor of voting to lynch the most annoying player?

thellama73 wrote:The question re: rico is, how much of a distraction is he being? I am okay with lynching sufficiently distracting players, as it improves the efficiency of future play.
All you have to do is follow these steps... Say:

P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y I'm Poppy!
P O P P Y That's me!
3/3 wolfreads via sheer NO U. The best I did as a civilian ever.

Totally. We had to kill you, you were just too oppressive.

I was VERY nervous in the beginning when timmer began questioning my "civ role PM" and how it was constructed. I bullshitted, and crossed my fingers. Tight!

Woooo, thanks nutella and DH!

Sorry to kill you, dog.

I appreciate a complicated situation that promotes a unique endgame.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:01 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:58 pm Really uh...really bleeding this one dry I guess huh.
And to think, when I was planning this all out, the endgame was the part I was most excited for.

The whole situation is very exciting. I don't think that should be downplayed simply because the last little part is planned and executed with no surprises.

Ominous talk, I know...
*vote speedchuck*

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 10:42 pm Opted in. We should lynch nutella. Have a 3p/scum/town win.

These two fine folks opened the door for me out of the kindness of their hearts. I can't sell either of them up the river, I'm sure you understand.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:09 am Very clever and also something you'll never be able to pull off ever again.

If I get this win, I won't need to.

It was actually a combination of a true misunderstanding of the game, and an accidental "obvious Civ slip" over on HCRealms that I did in my last game there. My first post in that game made it (embarrassingly) obvious that I had a Civ role PM and also didn't know if it was Civ or bad.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:40 pmLong Con is likely not mafia since he thought the game was LMS and his PM would have, I assume, included the names of his teammates as well as their names in the CC: field so I doubt he'd miss that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:24 pm Different mutiny teams, LC.

Oooooohhhhhhh..... ok I see.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:24 pm Welp. GG. I tried.

This is so silly.

I'd be fine with ending the game unless there are unknown factors in play.

Oh, the kill is already sent in.

I was considering changing it to a no-kill, if the three of us could join your team and win. Sounds like there's too much uncertainty involved, so I'll kill one S-name, and we will lynch the other S-name tomorrow.

No no... you misunderstand. I meant all three of us join you and nutella on Team Mutiny, and five players win. I understand wrong?

DH, I'm not considering betraying you, I am just trying to get a comprehensive understanding.

So... can I kill no one, and Mutiny with speed and sloon, and we all win?

But with nut, DH, and myself voting Mutiny, it will go through without your help, right?

The thing is, I don't really know how it works. When it wins, does it randomly go to either me, or the surviving Civ? I don't know!

Lynched Epignosis as a Civilian. Checking it off my to-do list for this game. Pleased.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:09 pm How fucking wild would it be if this plan worked holy shit.

And dude.... you know you can always count on me to go for the win via a zany plan.

Should I choose heads or tails?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:08 pm So the reason for the odd kill choices were:

LLama and SVS were mafia
Long Con was Mafia
I asked not to be killed until Phase 2
Killing Epi would have put too big a target on the only active mafia

Funny.

I try not to kill Epi when I'm Mafia, more fun to try and lynch him.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:03 pm To be totally fair I did warn you guys against voting for the role reveal option.

I was obviously way too optimistic about how it would go.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:51 pm Epi appealed to speedchuck and I via PM after DH and Nutella publicly declared their intentions. I can't picture Epi doing something like this unless he's 100% earnest about it. That is why I'm voting for Long Con. Plus roleclaim stuff.

"Appealed" how? Telling you he's Civ and his name is Mike?

Sloonei... you would have been the kill tonight, after we lynched Epi.

Only because you did so well with the S~V~S case. Pure Civ right there... gotta go.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:06 pm LC, the best thing for you to do is quit the act, join the rest of us in being totally open, and just go along with DH's plan as it offers you the best chance at a win.

Wrong. The best thing for you to do is join the act, because it's funny. What exactly would you have me do differently? Vote for someone else? I... just... can't vote for Mutiny yet because the poll doesn't exist. So I do not understand what you're asking of me here.

And listen to both of you, "Epi claimed Mike in PM long ago, so it's true". Guess what, the baddies got fakeclaims. I claimed Dr Gynde to Dyslexicon at the outset of the game in a PM. If the Role List reveal happened the way it should have, then the fakeclaims would have been included. Instead, it shut down any further Mafia gaming and it's only due to this mutiny thing that the game is still going.

If Dr Gynde had been in that Role List reveal, then we would all be voting for Epignosis today, I promise you that. So don't get all smug and self-assured with a roleclaim by PM, because next time it happens, you probably won't have a surprise Role List reveal to show you how razor-thin your assumptions actually are.

What makes you so sure I am the last scum?

Bad dog.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:59 am I'm actually TR.

I'll be houseofpancakes then, and we can have marital issues.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:55 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:25 am Wait, how are you two confirmed town again? Why don't YOU switch to Epi instead, so we can play this out like it should have been before the Role List ended the concept of regular gameplay?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:22 am I'd rather hit a confirmed third party than an unconfirmed scum at this particular moment.
You aren't making me feel good about you here.

Well, you're already voting for me. So why should I care how you feel?

Wait, how are you two confirmed town again? Why don't YOU switch to Epi instead, so we can play this out like it should have been before the Role List ended the concept of regular gameplay?

Um, you guys mean Epignosis, right? Why are you voting me, I'm Civ and Epi is bad. I'm the real Mark, or Mike, or whatever. :nod:

The game turned into one that the baddies can't win as soon as the Role List was revealed in an open claiming game. I mean, maybe if the baddies' fake claims (assuming they have them) were revealed in the list as well, then it could have still been a game. This would have been a lot easier if we could have revealed the Role List on Day 1, really, then we could have all just claimed and lynched them quick and tidy with minimal Civ losses.

If the Role List hadn't been revealed, then Epi wouldn't have been able to jump in and fool you all by claiming my Civ role, and we would have been lynching him. So he absolutely deserves to die today more than I do, in all the ways that count.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:42 pm I'm just glad the civilians rocked the shit out of your "team."
If you still want to pretend that I'm bad, then I don't see why you, the "civ", would act cocky or proud when you wanted to save S~V~S and lynch Sloonei.
That's right.

I wanted to save S~V~S the inactive but throw thellama73 the inactive under the bus. All part of the plan.

And you almost got away with it too. Maybe next time, evil Epi!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:42 pm I'm just glad the civilians rocked the shit out of your "team."

If you still want to pretend that I'm bad, then I don't see why you, the "civ", would act cocky or proud when you wanted to save S~V~S and lynch Sloonei.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:18 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:10 pm Nice try Epi, but the jig is up for you, I'm afraid. You've stretched yourself too far this time, and you got caught.

Vote Epignosis.
I got caught?

What's my role Long Con?

Baddie #3. Duh.

Nice try Epi, but the jig is up for you, I'm afraid. You've stretched yourself too far this time, and you got caught.

Vote Epignosis.

I was thinking we should lynch Epignosis first. I've been pushing for his lynch all game. And he totally tried to steer people away from the S~V~S lynch, on to Sloonei, who is totally a Civ. He seems really bad to me.

What do you think of that, can that be part of this crazy plan?

Ok, I have only read up on this while I was driving. Is this deal good for me? Can you reiterate it? Just got home from a surprise food truck event. I haven't had a chance to refute any claims, DH, I have hardly noticed any in my skim. If you like, you can list everyone's role for me to make it easier on me. I want to win.

Hey guys, sorry for not being here again, but this weekend was literally non-stop busy for the last 21 hours, 4 hours sleep. I'm currently headed into a surprise food truck job, that I believe will be done in six or seven hours. Plenty of time left in the day. I'll look into your offer later, nut.

Here's how I feel about the night poll:

Full Role List Reveal - I prefer open games anyway
Everyone Has 2 Votes On Day 5 - kinda cool I guess. Not super-useful like lynching two people, but it does give more opportunity for vote analysis
D5 Public Rankings Voting - this seemed kind of cool, but not my first choice
D5 Will Be A Private Vote - I would like to hear good reasons for this as a choice
During N5, There Will Be A Public Vote To Restrict BTSC For One Player - Restrict BTSC = boring and pointless
D5 BTSC Blackout - Restrict BTSC = boring and pointless
N5 BTSC Blackout - Restrict BTSC = boring and pointless
Mutiny Opportunity for 3 - no. Sorry INH, but I'd rather stay the course

Holy shit, the Mutiny option has been upgraded! "Mutiny Opportunity for 3" instead of just "Mutiny for 3". Ooh la la!

Good work, Sloon. RIP Quin, sorry I didn't believe in you.

Actually, I am going to vote for SVS... Quin would be my vote, but he seems to be covered.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:47 pm Does anybody have a compelling argument as to why I should move my vote off of SVS? I'll be at work for the last few hours of this phase, so I don't have much time to finalize my vote.

I thought your S~V~S - Llama interactions were all right. You talked about a "repeated soft defense" in her earlier quoted posts but this first one isn't. Just the "BOTD" for Llama due to his travelling.

You reference a possible shifting of focus away from Llama by S~V~S, when she brought forth that Wilgy thing. If she's on Llama's team, then that could have been a successful ploy, but Wilgy was really the originator of it... like, his PM to her was confirmed real, unless I'm remembering wrong.

I thought the best point you had was her Llama vote. Llama was already a goner, and she just kind of whipped in with "I agree with the Llama case" and a vote. That's certainly not the most inspiring thing I've ever seen.

I felt like your Quin case was the more eyebrow-raising of the two.

Sloonei had a similar impression about you:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:15 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:13 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:52 pm Does anyone have a cliffnotes list of reasons to suspect speedchuck? I ask this more for the sake of discussion than my own attempts to catch up.
Laziness.
Buddying.
Not voting for Llama even when DH did.

DH is about halfway down my list because all he's done to make himself look town is go after Llama. Bussing is pretty common where I come from. The mafia kills in this game have been quality-of-life kills. Kills that make the game more talkative, better. DH is having fun, I might could see him doing this (until phase 2 starts). It doesn't seem like anyone has genuinely put up any investigating toward DH.

Still, the llama push is pretty convincing. Good push I guess. Of course, Llama didn't die when lynched...

Anyway, there's that. And good job keeping me from following you, DH. I'm lazy and in fun mode, but not to the point of self-voting.

As for you, sloonei, I thought epic made some decent points, but I'm still not putting you much lower than SVS or Quin. The bottom three on my list are about even, and are very lazily non-controversial. I like things that way.

And you guy have an auto-rainbow tool? That's fantastic!
Cool.
There does seem to be a part of you that is coasting off the goodwill you built up from lynching llama. You don't seem to have a confident read on who his teammates might be though. Does this worry you at all?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:54 pm Well, something like that:

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:33 pm Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW
I would like a little more effort from you.
I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.
That's actually what I was referring to.
I don't see anywhere within that statement that says I'm taking credit for the llama lynch or expect you to believe I'm civ because llama got lynched.

Ok fine. Why should I believe you're Civ?

Well, something like that:

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:33 pm Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW
I would like a little more effort from you.
I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.

That's actually what I was referring to.

You took responsibility for the Llama lynch, and you want that to give us Civ vibes about you, right? Remind me how you were responsible.

If I were Indy in a closed setup game, I would claim it. Indy with a 'survival' win-con. That's a really nice place to be. Quin said he's not Indy though.

Can you tell me more about how you came to the "Independent" conclusion for Quin? What player traits and gameplay make you believe someone is Indy?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:54 pm I could move off Sloonei onto someone else. I'm kinda wondering how far Speedchuck is going to take the "I do what DH Does" schtick. I had my suspicions of Dyslexicon but I thought they might be an Indie and not a mafia. IDK. Quin might be a good vote. IDK.

Why do you have to bring Indy into it? How do you come to that conclusion, how does it help? Some Indies have to kill everyone else to win. Is that someone you'd like to vote?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:40 am That'll be the last time I PM LC this game :P

I haven't done any PMing in days. And I'm sorry if you thought PMs were some sort of secret vault, but in an open BTSC game, they're evidence.

If you had said "LC, swear you will never reveal these PMs in the thread!" then maybe.

Ok, here's the Last Words of Wilgy:

Sent: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:16:50 pm
From: DrWilgy
Recipient: DharmaHelper thellama73 nutella Long Con Dyslexicon

I have revealed everything to SVS.

Watch how she respinds to my death. This is all O can do for you in my final moments.

Revealing this pm on the thread would devalue it.

After his death, I sent this to all the recipients:

Long Con wrote:Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:02 am So, S~V~S has responded to Wilgy's death:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:56 pm OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2017 7:19 amAnd thanks for votes~ I don't know that I did any good, while Wilgy came up with no affiliation, his role is one I would expect to see as a civvie. But he also baddie camped it up in the thread, so hard to say what happened there. I would like to talk about it, though, since he told me who his suspects were, and while I have reason to disagree with at least one of them, at first I thought it was misdirection but maybe not.

He did seem to want to be lynched there at the end, so maybe he will be back.
Any thoughts, with regard to Wilgy's final PM?

I only got one response to that PM:

DharmaHelper wrote:Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:38 am Its tough to say not knowing Wilgy's actual affiliation but SVS seems legit so far.

DH didn't Reply All to it either, and when I asked about that, he said:

DharmaHelper wrote:Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:51 pm Of course I didn't Reply All. I want to keep as tight a circle as possible this game

Llama, nutella, and Dyslexicon never acknowledged the PM in any way.

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