The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:07 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:01 pm Additionally, if the mafia kill was a team ability rather than an individual player's nightly action, the watcher would be a pointless role.
Not if the team can't double target, but they still pick a killer.
I suppose so. I've always preferred to designate a specific player each night to perform the kill, because I usually find this to be more of a risk/challenge for the mafia team. They have to pick the right person to perform the kill without being caught in any traps/IDs each night. But there are situations like this, or when a certain team member might be an obvious target, where it can give them an advantage.

I totally agree, I just think it should go alongside a no double targeting rule for the kill.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:01 pm Additionally, if the mafia kill was a team ability rather than an individual player's nightly action, the watcher would be a pointless role.

Not if the team can't double target, but they still pick a killer.

I disagree with the ruling, and I see your N1-N3 steps as a good thing. Why "no thanks"? Too much Mafia-favour with that ruling. Why should the Mafia get a guaranteed kill after the doctor was awesome enough to stop a kill? It diminishes the doctor role considerably, and it's a hard enough role to succeed with as it is.

N1: Mafia kills Long Con (fail, protected)
N2: Neither mafia nor doctor can target Long Con
N3: Mafia can now target Long Con, but so can the doctor. The Mafia AND the doctor have to decide whether or not their opposite will go for the N3 targeting, or try to outsmart the other and go for N4. This is good. This is a fun way to play a little WIFOM game behind the scenes, a battle of wits between the good and bad.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:17 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:43 pm Why did you guys kill me?
You were too good tho

Thought it was something like that. Happens so seldom, I just wanted to recap.

Why did you guys kill me?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:17 am I'm insulted that people think I could have a 20yo son.

I'm only 26 godanmit.

I feel like my suspicions are mainly the same, and well-known enough. I'm really hoping that the Civ power role(s) can get some good info - we're off to a great start, nailing a baddie with no info.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:31 pm Nice job! I knew my original paranoia was right. :P

I think this clears quite a few players and I think this sets up tomorrow's kybxh very nicely. I'd think quin due to mp refusing to lynch vote him and vice versa, this also pretty much clears LC and daisy into

I'm not totally convinced Quin should be the next kybxh victim.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:33 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:54 pm Baddies are probably dunya, LC, and Daisy, I guess? I wish I had more time to play this cycle. Sorry to let you all down.
Rule of threes, boys.

I named three Civs during my last Heist as my baddie legacy post.

That said, I am not clearing that clearance of Spacedaisy. I think it's likely that anything between them was baddie-teammate stagedness.

Although MP tried to untie votes at the last second, by putting 4 on Wilgy. So that could have been The Plan, with Kyle trying to look good for the longer game.

MP07's final vote was a third on DDL, pulling DDL into the tie. Good look, lessened by the failed last-minute switch attempt by MP.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:29 pm Less-than-available baddie MP doesn't try to CFD temmie dunya Day 1.

Agreed. Kylemii is also looking good for his MP07 Day 1 final vote.

F*ck MP07, you played it right till the end. You almost had my stomach upset. I don't even feel good about it yet, I need to purge the guilt emotions you built up in me first.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:39 pm Argh, captain Sloonbeard! I gots a question for ye, of public nature.

If we send our swabbies seaward, or drive a cutlass thru their pantaloons, er, or whatever we do to whittle down our number, will their role be publicly made available? Howsabout if we finds them dead, their souls drifting to Davy Jones' locker?

Do we get the flips, cap'n?

Sloonei didn't answer this, speedchuck. And you didn't follow up... in the thread. Maybe you got an answer in a mafia chat?

Mostly speedchuck doesn't look TOO bad when just looking at his posts close to the and during the end of the lynch. Maybe a little too focused on attacking Wilgy for his emoji posting. Should we change the title there to "Emojis" instead of "Smilies"?

EBWOP: *posts

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:37 pm Still happy with a DDL lynch - he's someone I highly suspected yesterday, and his role in Wilgy's lynch doesn't alleviate that any.

I can see Quin's point on dunya, that does look a little sparse on dunya's part. dunya hasn't responded to your questions, Quin?
No. And with Kyle's vote recount in the thread now it's kind of a moot purpose.

I'm looking through dunya's posts now. So far I'm not impressed with my own read of her - she looks clean to me. I'll update these thoughts when I'm finished. Want to have a go?

I know that my experience of dunya's post also left me thinking she's Civ. I'll check out speedchuck, and see what insights a reread might give me.

Still happy with a DDL lynch - he's someone I highly suspected yesterday, and his role in Wilgy's lynch doesn't alleviate that any.

I can see Quin's point on dunya, that does look a little sparse on dunya's part. dunya hasn't responded to your questions, Quin?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:23 am So I've been playing 3 games at once which means I put this one in the fridge. Will catch up now.

(though there doesn't seen to be many posts to catch up on)

It's ok... I've got this lynch. You can relax.

Well, let's hope he can defend himself as well in the thread, or he'll also be on the end of a plank!

[mention]MovingPictures07[/mention]

Over 14 hours later, and the mic is still where I dropped it. Except for speedchuck leaning down and speaking mechanics into it... I think he was testing to see if it's still on.

Come pick it up, if you are ready to look simple truth in the eye.

Oops! I had this in another tab, it was supposed to be the start of the post above!

All right, let's get started. I read that MP stuff he said about me on my phone while scarfing down a burger before going into work - and I was sitting in my truck in my parking spot, not driving and texting.

I didn't like a word of what he was saying, because it was pretty much 100% wrong, and I'm going to just have to plow through it and fix it for my own sanity.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 amIt was weird, you live with her, you know exactly how busy she is or isn't, you're not an appropriate player to be putting down a pressure vote on her. It's FAKE.

You’re wrong, and clearly just trying to smear me at this point.

First, what the hell is this statement? Trying to smear you?

Spacedaisy basically echoed what I had said about your "pressure vote" on her. Instead of making new sentences to say the same thing, I quoted the piece of my post that was relevant. Her response: "I missed you said that. Thanks for being the one person to get what I'm saying." Which is more or less the reason why I reiterated the point I had already made. Where do you get off calling that a "smear attempt"? "Clearly just trying to smear me"... this is not a realistic assessment.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:08 pmBullshit LC you are so bad, you even seem overly concerned with being consistent which is yet again a more likely trait of mafia than town.

Let's break it down. So, I listed the players that I had stated suspicion of during day 1. You call it "player salad" as if it's indicative that I'm bad. In my clarification, I used the word "consistency" one time, indicating that it's not some "salad" that I'm tossing out there, but that it is just a summary of players that I found suspicious.

You read the word "consistency" and decide that I'm "overly concerned with being consistent", and furthermore, it's a "likely trait of mafia". How am I "overly concerned" about it when it didn't even come up until you challenged the validity of my list? Is there something untrue about what what I said? Nope! What do you think is the truth: that I listed the players I suspect so people know where I stand for the lynch... or that I was thinking "I'd better appear consistent, I'll list the names of players I claimed to suspect so that no one will question my consistency!"

You weren't even accusing me of trying too hard to appear consistent, you were accusing me of "player salad", a term you decided to drop without clarifying why... just that it makes me bad. So, my crime is trying to, I guess, flood the thread with names to keep people distracted from me, maybe? But then I said the word "consistency", and suddenly I'm "overly concerned with consistency", and that's a "likely trait of mafia". GIVE ME A BREAK.

AND you’re absolutely misrepresenting me, you know damn well what I meant. Yes, of course town players can use ‘weird’ or ‘interesting’ and do, but at least very soundly in my experience mafia love getting attention on other players without dirtying their hands and that’s exactly what I thought you we’re doing.

Oh, classic... "misrepresenting you". Oh wait, sorry... "absolutely misrepresenting you". Is that what it's called when I'm Civ and I tell you that Civs use the word "weird" too? Because that's exactly our reality right now.

How was it unclear that I "knew damn well" what you meant? Did I somehow make you believe I misunderstood you? It wasn't a difficult concept - you wanted to portray my use of the word "weird" without a followup explanation of why shows that I'm bad. I denied that accusation, and clarified why it was weird. So what's with this "knew damn well" crap? Yes, I knew what you meant, and I didn't give any indication that I misunderstood. And WOW, Spacedaisy thought it was weird as well, for the same reasons! Clearly we're teammates.

I've never heard the expression "at least very soundly"... you sound so sure of yourself. Is that, like, a super-adverb? ...since you want to go with "words Mafia members say" as a good reason to suspect someone. At least very soundly in my experience.

Player salad is also a legitimate tell; I just saw your teammates get rightfully caught for it in Seinfeld. You threw out a bunch of different possibilities for your vote and that’s suspect because especially this early you can plant seeds and then flexibly vote for any number of options.

Yeah... except I had already made cases and displayed reasons for suspicion for each of those players earlier in the thread. That list wasn't "thrown out there" like you want to portray it - that list existed whether I wrote it or not. Anyone could have spent the time to go through my posts and come up with the exact same list; I was just saving everyone the trouble.

And it's delightful how you say I was planting seeds so I could flexibly vote for any of them, AND YET I was at work for the last couple of hours of the lynch, my vote inflexibly placed on you.

Anyway I am on phone and busy and will respond more later, seriously leaving now. How you can’t even fathom why I suspect you only for you to turn it around on me reeks of opportunism and you’re the one who looks fake.

What the hell even is that last sentence?

Where did you get the idea that I can't fathom why you suspect me?

How am I "turning it around on you" when you were one of my top suspects, and I voted to lynch you, before you came after me?

When you realize the true answers to these questions, maybe you'll understand that the reeking opportunism you're smelling is a lot more likely to be coming off you in little wavy lines... and that you, again, are the one who is faking opinions.

As always, I am laughing at myself now, because it's highly doubtful that you'll directly address anything I'm saying here, just like you failed to address the part of my post that you cut out:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 am
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:02 amWhat was there to agree with? Explain. This is suspicious at face value, like you're just attaching onto a reason to suspect someone.

Even Kyle's initial reaction wasn't ideal, because he doesn't explain what he doesn't like about it once it's apparent I'm gone from the thread, but I'm less bothered by that. I'm bothered by this.
A widespread vote makes it really easy for the mafia to control the lynch. You know this.

An honest MP07 might have said, "yes, that's true, I see where you're coming from"... but your focus was only on trying to get people to see me as bad, so a sentiment like that didn't really fit, did it? Much easier to ignore it, and to physically highlight and delete it from your attack post.

Anyhoo... voting MP07.

I'm just headed into work now, and voice to texting this from my truck. You call my list player salad, and I respond by showing that it's just consistent with my suspicions throughout the day, and suddenly I'm overly concerned with being consistent. Give me a break man, I'll respond better after work.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 amIt was weird, you live with her, you know exactly how busy she is or isn't, you're not an appropriate player to be putting down a pressure vote on her. It's FAKE.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:02 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:51 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:54 pm Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol
Hey, buddy pal friend, not super terribly fond of this here move.
I agree with this. Scumdar10 rating for MP07: 5.9
What was there to agree with? Explain. This is suspicious at face value, like you're just attaching onto a reason to suspect someone.

Even Kyle's initial reaction wasn't ideal, because he doesn't explain what he doesn't like about it once it's apparent I'm gone from the thread, but I'm less bothered by that. I'm bothered by this.

A widespread vote makes it really easy for the mafia to control the lynch. You know this.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:04 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:08 pm Yeah, also that Daisy vote irked me about MP07's play today. That was just weird.

Spoiler: show
"Weird" and "interesting" are words that mafia loves to throw around, while they noncommittedly make no argument or assessment as to why what they're observing is alignment-indicative.

Explain, LC. You look scummy.

People of both alignments use those words. What Mafia do is try to dress word-usage up as alignment-indicative.

It was weird, you live with her, you know exactly how busy she is or isn't, you're not an appropriate player to be putting down a pressure vote on her. It's FAKE.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:09 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:11 pm Votes I'm willing to end on: DDL, MP07, speedchuck, sig... Quin if none of those are viable.
This is player salad. I hate it.

I really think LC is bad. He needs to answer for this.

I still don't like the "trying too hard" accusation because I think that's nonsense, but I wasn't willing to scumread him for it because I know it's one that LC regularly throws at mine and others' direction.

How the hell was he consensus townread during the GTH exercise? If I was caught up, there's no way I'd have given him a town reading.

More clichés. Player salad indeed. Those are the players that I discussed during the day that I came away feeling suspicious about. You can even see the various levels of my suspicion for those players laid out clearly as Scumdar10 ratings. Naming them all in one post isn't suspicious, it's called consistency, and it was a good way to remind everyone of where I stand for the lynch.

You think you have found a weakness in me to exploit, but you are wrong. And you are going down, tomorrow if I get my way.

Crazy times. RIP Wilgy!

Spoiler: show

There's a snapshot of the lynch before I cast my final vote and go to work. Three vote leaders at this time, and MP07 is my biggest suspect among those three. I will change my vote to MP07, and It's not going to change.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:33 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:24 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:12 pm do we have enough people around right now for a tie to be informative?
Can you explain how it could be informative?
The regular ways?
A day 1 washout gives us nothing as far as vote analysis goes regardless of whether the lynch goes to a good or bad. Ties or near ties gives us something to work with.

Ennnhhhh...... I'd say it's more like "ties or near-ties are a lot easier to work with". Because you can just look at that micro-piece of time near the deadline and say "look how those people voted during crunch time!" I think there is probably more and richer information to consider by looking back at all the votes over the whole lynch, and that this information is more difficult to taint by baddies, whereas the baddies can plan a "civ-looking" set of reactions and final vote during crunch time.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:12 pm do we have enough people around right now for a tie to be informative?

Can you explain how it could be informative?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:35 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:17 pm MovingPictures isn't playing as his usual self. I've been town with him in both games we've played together, so this game seems off for him.
When was your last game with him. His playstyle has had a lot of changes in the last few years.

So are you saying that his playstyle looks like Civ MP?

Votes I'm willing to end on: DDL, MP07, speedchuck, sig... Quin if none of those are viable.

Yeah, also that Daisy vote irked me about MP07's play today. That was just weird.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:03 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:54 pm Oh I see I’m joining a wagon

Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol
Hey, buddy pal friend, not super terribly fond of this here move.

I agree with this. Scumdar10 rating for MP07: 5.9

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:47 pmAre you suuuuuuure that scale isn't 2-4? Because these reads look very soft.
It's day one, friendo. Anyone who says they feel confident about anything is lying.

Don't tell me how I feel.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:33 pm I suggest sig and Long Con lay off each other for a day and see how they feel about each other after Day 1. Don't focus all energy on 1 person on Day 1.

But if I focus on multiple people then sig will be suspicious of me!

I'm done with him for now, at least I got him to address the actual content of my post about him in a real way.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmlinki: LC you're doing to me what you always do as scum making small things that have no real weight into big issues.

That's #fakenews that I "always do that as scum".

My "side step" had to do with you commenting that I mixed up "your" and "You're" how is that in anyway a side step when it doesn't refer to something that has any value? Just like your grammar nazism had nothing to do with the game?

HERE IS MY POST

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:58 am
sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:49 pm Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross
Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?
Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.

THE PART YOU ARE ADDRESSING IS IN BLUE, AND THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN ACTUAL ACCUSATIONS OR SUSPICIONS ARE IN RED. Would you care to explain how that happened?

And you're suspicious for putting out bait on multiple players yes, I view it as you waiting to see which one garners more attention and then using that to bandwagon onto someone.

That's funny, I thought I was waiting for people to come and bandwagon on DDL. I didn't know that you can use predictions about someone's future behaviour to find them suspicious. That's some next-level shit!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:36 pm Quin, would you please tell me what you think of LC?

LC, can you please tell me your thoughts on Quin?

Thank you.

Quin is maybe fourth in line for a vote from me right now. I don't trust him all that much.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:23 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:58 am
sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:49 pm Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross
Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?
Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.
After so many classes my brain turns off.

Also and this isn't just a NO U, but I'm reading LC as a mid range scum. He's spreading out a lot of potential bandwagons, right now he has DDL, Speed, and myself all lined up to lynch or vote for.

linki: If we fail to find someone though it's always better to go for an inactive. However, I'm getting a pretty good idea of who I'll be voting for so it shouldn't be necessary to vote for an inactive.

Come on man. I'm suspicious for finding more than one player suspicious? Perhaps you'd prefer I tunnel on one player at a time, monsieur? Brain turns off? That's all I get? That's a complete sidestep of the issues I brought up with your posts.

I didn't take "Hello this is cop" as a real role claim. Looking forward to finding out the truth.

Also, I my still laughing at ", my dude,".

EBWOP: Scumdar10

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:49 pm Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross

Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?

Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:25 am civvie and baddie aren't the popular slang anymore are they?

I use them still, and I also use "town" and "mafia" in respect to those from other, more standard-type sites.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:37 pm LC thanks for the response. Can you elaborate on your scumdar scale — does 5 mean null read or no?

No, it's 0 to 10, 10 being the most suspicious.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:18 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:09 pm Voting No Lynch, because I only like to see people walk the plank. Lynching is is distasteful.

Linki: Also G-Man is scary.
Voting NO LYNCH at this time puts the townies into a strategic disadvantage. Explain, pirate LC.

No, voting NO LYNCH at the lynch deadline is what I believe you're thinking of. Voting it first thing on Day 1 is something else, I'd say. Someone down the line got it pretty right, going for reactions. Let's do some harsh criticism of them!

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:19 pm Putting a pressure vote on LC because I need him to elaborate ASAP.

Sorry for not being back around until now.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:34 pm I don't know some of you very well yet so I want to ask a question. Please respond without complaint:

What breed of dog would you most liken your gameplay to?

I'm the back dog.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:45 pm 1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Ugh, you're trying too hard. This reeks of trying to look good. Scumdar10 reading: 6.5

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:48 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:18 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:09 pm Voting No Lynch, because I only like to see people walk the plank. Lynching is is distasteful.

Linki: Also G-Man is scary.
Voting NO LYNCH at this time puts the townies into a strategic disadvantage. Explain, pirate LC.
I'd wager he is doing it just to gather reactions or something.

Sure, but wow that's really compassionate of you, very understanding, yet so casual. I almost expect *yawn* at the end of that, for good effect. Maybe there's a reason you know I'm town, if you get my drift. Scumdar10 rating: 7.8

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.

I would like to hear more about this good strategy. Scumdar10 rating: 3.1

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:02 pm A no lynch is a terrible strategy 95% of the time

Fight me.

With your 7.8 rating, this stinks even more. Reeks of falseness, it's cover. Scumdar10 rating: 8.5

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:45 pm 1 little, 2 little, 3 little MP posts
4 little, 5 little, 6 little MP posts

Actually, a no lynch gives town some time to get free info if there is an info role. Quick math:

No lynch:
D1: 10 players
D2: 9 Players
D3: 7 Players
D4: 5 Players
D5: 3 Players (LYLO if 1 scum)
D6: Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

Lynch on D1:
D1: 10 Players
D2: 8 Players
D3: 6 Players
D4: 4 Players (MYLO if one scum)
D5: 2 Players Scum overrun if we get here and game isn't over.

So in each case, ignoring D1 on the no-lynch side, town gets the same number of days to try and lynch the scummers. No matter how many scum there are. For every scum, take off a day's worth o' time. See how it works? An' the No Lynch D1 gives townies more info on their allotted lynch days.

HOWEVER!

This only works perfect if'n we got no doctors, vigs, or scumblockers. So I'm more inclined to lynch a scallywag on the bright and early day.
Long Con, what say ye ta that?

Shiver me timbers if'n I ain't about to throw a vote on me swabbie Dunya, fer the brine'd do 'im good I reckon!

linki: I am a cat. I swat at people until they respond, and then run away.
I kid. I have no idea what my gameplay style is. I've been told it's analytical, with a lot of chewing over motive and vote placement.
I'll throw this landlubber some early townie points for this. Savor them, you dog.

Don't like this either. Scumdar10 rating: 4.9

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:17 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:09 pm Voting No Lynch, because I only like to see people walk the plank. Lynching is is distasteful.

Linki: Also G-Man is scary.
I can't remember the last time I played a game where people still encouraged a day 1 no lynch. Ballsy. Ye got some balls, LC.

Hmm... I like this reaction. Scumdar10 rating: 1.6

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:55 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:52 pm And I don't know what any of you are talking about, because no lynch is objectively a good strategy.
For the reasons that I outlines, or for some other nebulous non-scientific reasons?
it's a good choice, statistically, to go with a no lynch -- yes. In a 12-person game with three mutineers, you have a better chance to lynch a mutineer on Day 2 than Day 1 -- undoubtedly. A lot of this game is gut instinct, though. Day 1 gut insticts are shittier than all the other days by a small margin, but there's still some info and intel you can garner from a Day 1 lynch. Pirates' strongest weapon is the lynch, and by choosing not to use it, it makes Day 1 a bit of a waste. I've found even mislynches and Day 1 wrongs can be helpful in scum-hunting.

I think that depends on the quality of the Day 1 content. It's not always shitty gut instinct that informs a Day 1 vote.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:57 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:54 pm Because the only thing that happens is that you give mafia an extra night kill, and then you are back next day with no extra information and one less civ alive.

It may give the cop an extra investigation yes, but the cop shouldn't reveal right away anyway so day 2 usually doesn't have anything new, and the cop could die before they reveal so the risk may be not worth it.
+1 to this analysis.

You don't lose a whole lot by D1 no-lynch, since the extra night kill just puts you at Lylo instead of Mylo. But the trade-off doesn't net you anything either, so you might as well keep that extra number advantage in your wheelhouse for later.

Who knows, a doc might pull through and give us an entire extra day. That won't happen if we give mafia an extra kill.

Eeeennh... let's see how DDL flips before we condemn you for this one.

Voting DDL. He's scum.

Voting No Lynch, because I only like to see people walk the plank. Lynching is is distasteful.

Linki: Also G-Man is scary.

Good, I can ignore our posts.

Arr maties and all that. I'll go with peg leg, because it rhymes.

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