The Syndicate

Both crappy choices. I'm voting for someone else, but not yet because it's important. Still at work.

Okay Jack, keep saying I'm bad, it's never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever going to make it true. I'm going to work right now, so I will be at very least sticking my nose into vote before the deadline, but my posting will be minimal for the next few hours. Good luck.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:22 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:12 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:02 pm LC, how can you speak with such certainty?

Because I rolechecked you.

You're so silly.

This is serious.

Both statements are correct. Just being silly about the rolecheck of course.

I think I made it very clear why I speak with such certainty in this post.

I don't think I was being hostile. Just blunt.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:04 pm Ok LC I do see what you mean on the Jack issue. But on speed, what about Jack's point re:what is in it for a bad speed to back off of you? Surely if he's bad it's in his best interest to just go ahead with your lynch.

I get that, but LITERALLY at least one of you or speed are guaranteed to be bad. So those kinds of arguments are moot. Baddies do things to look Civvie. One of the Long Con back-offers is doing that. Case closed.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:02 pm LC, how can you speak with such certainty?

Because I rolechecked you.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:35 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:03 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:53 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:06 am Here's the other problem.

If LC is town, and I'm town and INH is town, only one of Juliets and Speedchuck can possibly be town. So why are two of you trying to save him? He'd be the obvious sacrifice for the easy win. Why turn back?

Maybe Juliets and/or Speedchuck is town and having legit doubts on LC. But the three of you? You can't all be town.

I am having serious doubts about LC and speed seems to be having serious doubts as well. So where does that leave me? With a bad INH? I don't really like that either, his Frodo claim sounded legit, though I don't know INH's game very well. (All I remember is that in one game he said he invented an algorithm or something to tell positively if people were bad which was hilarious.).

Well, tomorrow is another day.

If INH was bad, he'd have been counterclaimed.

For instance, say I was the real Frodo. I'd know that an INH lynch is a guaranteed scum lynch. I'd be all over that. Additionally, the longer INH's claim goes uncontested, the more likely people are to believe him over me when it comes down to it so I should counterclaim immediately.

But nobody counterclaimed. Cause INH is town.

I'm more okay with an LC lynch by the minute.

Ah right someone would have counterclaimed because we know all the flips not just the lynches so I can count on INH to be Frodo. That's at least one person I can count on in this game.

Long Con, tell me again who is bad and why and it better not be me because just like in GOC I am good. If I remember correctly the last time you named baddies you named Epi, speed and someone else along with me. Even if you just pick one person tell me again who is bad but most importantly why. Remember, I have not played this whole game and I haven't completely read everyone so as bea would say, pretend I'm 5 and explain it to me. If you are not bad I need to believe in others who are.

You could just believe no one is bad. I don't think that's advisable.

INH is Civ because he is Frodo.

Jack is Civ because I believe he's good. My post about that makes it clear why. Do you agree?

I am Civ.

If you are Civ, then the baddies are Epignosis, Elohcin, and speedchuck. I don't need to convince you they're bad, they're all that's left. The only thing I need to be convinced of is that you aren't bad, and this game belongs to the Civs.

That is such an ugly conclusion. The whole post was legit, ending with a flop. DUDE I believed in you. Believe in me.

Okay, one thing I was just thinking about and I need to get into this thread immediately before I forget or whatever... When Jack made his plea that epignosis just denied, and I posted the Lord of the Rings YouTube clip, I thought that was a very real sounding plea from Jack. I believe it.

If Jack were bad, then he doesn't need to make that kind of post, he just needs to stay the course and Lynch long con. Baddie Jack doesn't need epignosis to just trust that he is Civ. I really don't think that scum Jack needs to make that post at that time.

Look, I'm sorry I was a crappy player but I swear to fucking god I'm Civ

Holy moses i thought it was done tonight

LOL you guys are too much. Top drawer humour!

*baddies

Oh hi there, 40 minutes later, just checking in again ducked into a corner at work so I don't get caught on my phone, wow isn't it interesting that no one has really tried to stop the Elsie bandwagon in any significant way?

I honestly don't understand why the batteries are holding back, throw a vote on me you freaking cowards, let's get this over with

Epignosis *

Prognosis, just laughing along with all of this. Has he ever been lynched? He's got all your cojones in a vice.

Oh my God, you people are all hilarious. Hilarious! Just vote me already Jesus Christ you're not actually discussing doing anything but that. Good game baddies.

Look, I'm going to work. I know that's Prime Time to lynch Long Con, it has been well established.

If you are Civ, then vote for anyone on my list of four, and you'll have a 75% chance of lynching a baddie.

If you just want to end the game, then by all means vote for me and the baddies will win. I'll try to get in here in the end to vote for someone who's not me, if by chance you decide to try for a Civ win.

Later!

No, this is dumb. INH is Frodo, Jack is Civ, and so am I.

Elohcin, speedchuck, Epignosis, juliets.

The three scum are in there.

THREE!!!!!!!!!!

If juliets and Elohcin are not both scum, then Epignosis and speedchuck are guaranteed to be Mafia.

Have fun with your numbers then dude, see you next game.

If I were bad with two other players right now, on the verge of a clean sweep, I wouldn't care so much because we'd probably win anyway. But this is LYLO or MYLO or some crap, right? You lynch me, and this all ends.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:16 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:42 pm I'm not seeing too much from the Emoji times... this was there a bit, but it just seems flat now. Your noble emoticon explanation is fair.

I forgot to give bonus points for posting a big picture of Onslaught. I still have all the comics in the Onslaught saga. It was pretty bad, actually. But awesome pic!

And I skipped over the last half of the last page of your ISO because I'm over it now. I think I had built up many small resentments for the times you suspected and voted for me.

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
insertnamehere
speedchuck
juliets
Elohcin
Epignosis

I think LC is bad.

A pattern I've noticed is that when LC is bad, he will put forth a small attack or two to test mislynch waters (this is common for all scum) and (this part is particular for LC) if I go at him heavily, he backs off almost immediately, presumably in an attempt to diffuse the situation.

This is most noticeable in Mass Effect but even in that game, there was a game before that caused me to think he was bad in Mass Effect.

Well, you'd better update your supposed pattern after this game then. Promise me now.

And wasn't I Indy in Mass Effect?

But I also see the merit in the idea that juliets and Elohcin are not w/w... so maybe speedchuck?

I'm not seeing too much from the Emoji times... this was there a bit, but it just seems flat now. Your noble emoticon explanation is fair.

I forgot to give bonus points for posting a big picture of Onslaught. I still have all the comics in the Onslaught saga. It was pretty bad, actually. But awesome pic!

And I skipped over the last half of the last page of your ISO because I'm over it now. I think I had built up many small resentments for the times you suspected and voted for me.

Long Con
Jackofhearts2005
insertnamehere
speedchuck
juliets
Elohcin
Epignosis

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:21 pm @Long Con

If you don't answer my question, I don't see myself voting for anybody but you.

Ok, you want me to go through and find posts that pinged me? I'll do it. Sorry, I just got caught up in Fire Emblem after being out last night and not Mafiaing at all, so that took some time. I'll devote some time here now. You really should not vote for me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:19 pm Epi's gonna hate this post but idgaf.

Epi's last few posts are basically exactly what I expect cause Timmer and DF had a pretty small amount of posts. My main concern is that JJJ voice in the back of my head like "Jack is only drawing the most obvious teammate conclusions" but you know what? DF and Timmer are not Jimmy or Wilgy. I'm not gonna have the same WIFOM problems with them. I'll double down. I don't think Juliets and Eloh are teammates.

@Epignosis

I could answer your concerns about me but I don't see a universe where I get lynch today and I'd rather not spend a lolo day defending myself instead of finding baddies. That said, I think you're town and I don't want your suspicions of me to cause you to vote for the wrong player.

Can you assume I'm town just for today?

Epi turning up the jets here. I know y'all ain't gonna lynch him, and that's fine, but I still think he's bad, and laying it on strong here in order to get that one single mislynch vote from a Civ so they can end the game.

insertnamehere would be an obvious teammate with Epignosis, since he's almost completely ignored in this analysis.

The noble emoticon... why did you use it?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm I didn't order the four orange in order of suspicion. I'd vote juliets at this point.

Why am I orange at all then?

I didn't like your early-game interaction with my nutella suspicion, and you've pinged me a few times here and there.

To be clear, you mean http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p402392 and "a few times here and there."

Try again.

I didn't say I commented on them. I just mean that when reading your posts, some struck me as baddielike. Is this a big problem for you?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:26 am Instant reaction: you don't like being caught as bad for what you consider bad reasons.

I said why I think you're bad when I said I think you're bad. I never said anything about DFaraday.

Your "instant reaction" sounds like something you would feel, not me. Without reasons that pertain to me I'm not going to spend any more time on this.

That's ok, it's there for other people to spend time with.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm I didn't order the four orange in order of suspicion. I'd vote juliets at this point.

Why am I orange at all then?

I didn't like your early-game interaction with my nutella suspicion, and you've pinged me a few times here and there.

I didn't order the four orange in order of suspicion. I'd vote juliets at this point.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:34 am

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:41 pm Here is my original post about Mac/speed/Jack:

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:38 pm I just read through Mac to see if I could get an idea of why he was killed. It looks like he was under suspicion so it strikes me as an odd kill. He was suspicious of Sloonei/speedchuck and at the very end he called Jack bad. The speedchuck suspicion seemed the strongest but I have to wonder if he was killed to set speed up. I will need to read Sloonei and speed and hope that helps me determine if thats true or not. I see by reading up thats what Epi thinks has happened.

And here is Elo's ISO of me:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:15 pm I hate doing ISOs, they wear me out. So I am doing the best I can.

Juliets -
-Just replaced in as well, I've notices and already has 23 posts within a little over 4 hours. That's pretty nuts!
-First real topic of discussion was Mac being night-killed. She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely.
-At one point, she questions long cons motives for voting chuck.
-Engages Glorf on a vote matter.
-doesn't say much about timmer except that he is a quiet baddie from her memory, but that he was hurt somehow and had to replace out. I believe that was who I replaced
-votes wilgy because there is n better option in her opinion but she contemplates moving her vote and acts worried
-helpful to me as I replace in

overall, I think juliets seems civ.

I never said anything about a redirect so I'll wait for her answer on that part but if you look at the underlined parts you can see what I said and what she said I said.

Now that we have both quotes in front of us can you please make your point again LC?

linki

The redirect comment was all me. And it should have read..."She says there was some suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect?"

I misspoke. There WAS some suspicion on him which made her wonder why he, specifically, was killed. This is when I suggested maybe a redirect. Granted, I hadn't read any roles at that time

Does this clear it up? Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Now that you've read the roles, and you are sure there are no redirects, do you think Mac was killed by his suspects, or do you think it was a set-up?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:20 pm I quickly read through to catch up, and don't have really strong reads atm. I will go ahead and *vote Rabbit* for now since he's made a fair few posts but seems to be avoiding casebuilding or even on-topic engagement.

Easy vote. I think I voted there as well. But it was a vote for a Civ, so no points awarded.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:09 am

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:14 pm I'm going to put my vote on DFaraday.

I agree with his briefest of points about rabbit, that he hasn't contributed much, but then again, neither has Wilgy (all jokes), neither has DF himself ( posts), or novaselinenever (barely here), neither have I, really. In a game full of quiet players, singling one out who doesn't have an established meta while others with established metas run rampant with jokes etc and you give them a pass just feels cheap and like something a mafia would do. Why tangle with a meta people know when you can vote the new guy?

Timmer is, intentionally or not, misrepresenting my admittedly terrible case.

My point was specifically that Rabbit seemed to have a high post count and low on-topic content. I went back and looked, at the time I voted Rabbit had made about 15 posts, Wilgy had made 12 (and literally half of those were posted altogether as a meme reference), and I had made one. And about half the players in this game (myself included) have quite a bit of experience playing with Rabbit in the past. I certainly remember him as always being jokey and strange, but also making insightful observations and taking strong stances. He does seem to have been engaging more later in the day, to be fair.

If anything, Timmer seems to be taking an easy option here and setting up a quiet player who makes weak votes as an easy target.

SOOOOOOOFTEST accusation ever on Timmer here. The barest suggestion of "misrepresentation, intentionally or not...", and he's "setting up a quiet player". DF is sticking a little bit of suspicion on, but it's like he knows timmer is Civ, so he doesn't want to pull the trigger on a full-blown accusation.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:11 am

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:46 pm

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:20 pm I quickly read through to catch up, and don't have really strong reads atm. I will go ahead and *vote Rabbit* for now since he's made a fair few posts but seems to be avoiding casebuilding or even on-topic engagement.

Why me, why not Epi? The same fucking case could be made, Yeah.

Bullshit reason, but not indicative of alignment IMO . Since all of our votes were complete fucking bullshit.

Yeah, I could have voted Epi, but I was speed reading and your posts stood out to me more (in the wrong way). I fully admit it was a weak reason though.

Wants to make sure we all know it was weak, so that we can't accuse him of it and have it catch hold.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:06 pm Mac is reading civ to me, and his explanation of the red peek being a joke comes across more as dismissing it as typical Day 1 shenanigans rather than a serious case.

I'd still like to hear more from Timmer, and why he feels good about me now.

Civ-reads Mac, who has been proven Civ now. How insightful! Or did DF just know it and was buddying Mac? Or maybe setting up a good-looking read on a Civ before that Civ is killed?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:34 pm Voting Timmer for now. He hasn't addressed my points against him from earlier.

"Points" from earlier? As though DFaraday had made some case on Timmer? Don't be fooled! Here's all he ever said on the subject: "I'd still like to hear more from Timmer, and why he feels good about me now." That's it. Does anyone feel like it's honest play to vote timmer because "He hasn't addressed my points against him"?? His "points" weren't even an accusation! Now it suddenly turns into a votable offense?? *tweet* Party foul!

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:50 am Even if Mac wasn't consistent in his analysis of Sloonei's treatment of Ambray and Nutella, that doesn't mean he's bad. Civs are inconsistent in their positions all the time.

Having said that, I feel good about Epi and think his case on Mac is a good look for Epi.

Last post from DFaraday. Again reaffirming that Mac is Civ, and now adding in that Epi is Civ for suspecting Mac.

Note the lack of suspicions from DF. I mean, he HAD to cast votes, so he was like "rabbit is too quiet" and "timmer didn't respond"... but that is soooooo WEAK!

Someone help me out here. Take these meagre few posts and convince us DFaraday is Civ, because I don't see it at all.

Instant reaction: you don't like being caught as bad for what you consider bad reasons.

I said why I think you're bad when I said I think you're bad. I never said anything about DFaraday.

"You've played a million games with me, I would expect you to know my civ game by now." Well this makes me suspicious. There is not a single person I have ever played Mafia with that I expect myself to just "know" their Civ game and cross them off the list. I don't believe in that kind of thing, I think it's a fairy tale that baddies try to fall back on in order to coerce Civvies into feeling like they are not trying hard enough, or aren't being a good enough Old Mafia Friend. "Shame on you for not knowing me well enough to know I'm Civ right now!" NO THANK YOU.

You are bad. Describe for me what you imagined you might have seen that would make you say "A HA! Now I believe Sloonchuck killed Mac!" This whole "investigation" you claimed to do feels paper-thin and false to me.

So, as you can see, I sat in the same place for one minute and twenty-eight seconds.

Long Con
Glorfindel
insertnamehere
speedchuck
juliets
Elohcin
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005

This is where I currently sit.

Long Con
Glorfindel
insertnamehere
speedchuck
juliets
Elohcin
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005

This is where I currently sit.

Ok...

ELOHCIN: [juliets] says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? I see now that the 'redirect' is Eloh's idea; I took it to be more of what "she (juliets) says"

ELOHCIN: [juliets] says [Mac] thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely.

Purple text seems to be Elohcin's words and thoughts. Green text is back to juliets' words, but I had assumed they were Elohcin's words, because they followed what I perceived as Elohcin's words.

Even now, reading it, it reads like Eloh's opinion. If she had that opinion, I would expect her to follow up on it... juliets, in her original quote, floats the idea that speedchuck and/or Jack killed Mac because Mac was suspicious of them, but instantly waves in the idea that the Mac kill was to set speedchuck up.

"I will need to read Sloonei and speed and hope that helps me determine if thats true or not." Can you link me to your post-Sloonchuck-read results, juliets?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:53 pm Well that sucks. We are having terrible luck.

To Long Con: I never said anything about a re-direct. I never said I thought jack and speed were bad. I didn't gently point at Jack and speed. What do you mean question my motives? I'm confused by this whole section of your post about me.

If you didn't do that, then have ytou questioned Eloh about saying "She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. "

This is from Elohcin's evaluation of your ISO, juliets. Why do you question it and deny everything when I say it, and ignore it when Eloh says it?

You misunderstand, and I see why. This is a continuation of evaluating only Elohcin.

Elohcin did the "-- ISO on juliets" I speak of. This is all about her stil.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:39 pm Elohcin


<snip>

-- ISO on juliets, looks pretty standard, but there's one part that caught my attention:

"-First real topic of discussion was Mac being night-killed. She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely. "

So, if your conclusion is that Mac is not killed by his suspects Speed and Jack... and that a set-up is more likely... then why didn't you follow up on that? And if it's a set-up, then why would you give juliets a nice soft blanket civread, when she's the one that gently pointed the finger at Jack and Speed? Why wouldn't you question her motives, if you really think it's a set-up?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:38 pm Yeahh, not buying the Epi tinfoil theory. I get it, like, everyone's mopey because this game just ain't going well. I replaced in, so it's even worse here. Hard to get motivated. Hard to be confident in this when we have little to go off of and even the hard claims don't help much, or are claimed because of bad thingsTM.

Rabbit feels weird. Like, I can't say for sure whether it's an easy lynch, a bus, or a bulls-eye. Nobody is caring enough for me to gauge the enthusiasm and drive toward the lynch.

I don't think mafia would bus right now with the thread like this, but they wouldn't stick their neck out for rabbit or LC either. This thread apathy might fit those cases.

One or both of them might be scum. I'd be surprised to find two town there.

linki: balls

Balls indeed. Two town there.

Elohcin

Replaced timmer Day 4.

- says hello
- says she'll be lazy and asks for someone to catch her up
- complains about POE suspicion inherited from timmer
- agrees with speedchuck's assessment that Jack's POE is baseless
- asks again for some catchup help

The next one is interesting enogh to warrant a real quote:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Glor claimed town so we know he's town.

Sloonei came out Slooneiing. I and a few others expressed belief he was good. Mac said he was bad. Speed then replaced Sloonei and while not doing amazing, hasn't pinged me at all. Epi has also expressed belief he is good.

Mac and Wilgy more or less got himself lynched and Mac almost did the same but was nightkilled for some reason.

I'd appreciate it if you would ISO Juliets/Timmer, LC, Rabbit and weigh in on them.

I'll try to do all of these asap. I'll go in order of what you listed. are we in 23 hour nights?

"I'll go in order of what you listed." Why was that something she needed to say? Well, if she and rabbit are teammates, then that puts the teammate-analysis furthest away... gives her a chance to put eyes on someone earlier in the list. Maybe she won't get around to her teammate at all...? Just a weird thing to say, why would Eloh need for us to know she's doing them in his order? Easy way out of "hey you didn't really look at rabbit and he turned out bad, maybe you're his teammate?" "No, it wasn't even my order, I was just following Jack's instructions!" Y'know? Guess we shoud wait for rabbit's flip before we return to this slightly incriminating bit.

-- ISO on juliets, looks pretty standard, but there's one part that caught my attention:

"-First real topic of discussion was Mac being night-killed. She says there was not a lot of suspicion on him, so maybe a redirect? Or, she says he thought Jack and chuck were bad. But I am not sure if I would put Jack or chuck as bad at this point. A set-up looks more likely. "

So, if your conclusion is that Mac is not killed by his suspects Speed and Jack... and that a set-up is more likely... then why didn't you follow up on that? And if it's a set-up, then why would you give juliets a nice soft blanket civread, when she's the one that gently pointed the finger at Jack and Speed? Why wouldn't you question her motives, if you really think it's a set-up?

Blaaaaah, rabbit8 was Civ.... I'll post this anyway, although it contains some rabbit-assumption-bad stuff.

Long story short, the rest of it is "blah blah LC is bad"

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:24 am I also called Rabbit out for his pressure-less vote on me.

"C'mon guyths...give me sthome cthiv cred."

You almost attained credibility, but then you tried to make me look like some insipid, lisping freak, and I realized that you and rabbit are probably teammates. Civs don't need to dress up the facts with that kind of extra pizazz in order to cxonvince people of it.

There's been plenty of talk about lynching me, and that rabbit discussion went by without anyone noting my contribution. I am Civ, and it was real, so I brought it up. Nice of you to jump on it so aggressively though.

[VOTE: rabbit8] aubergine

I also called Rabbit out for his pressure-less vote on me.

I don't want you to be pissed, Epignosis. We will see about my vote in the next 24 hours.

Rabbit is also quiet in Fire Emblem Mafia.

Orrrrrr you guys could remember that Marmot likely invoked a No Lynch due to the Day 1 tie.

Which was discussed already. But nice try.

Maybe INH fakeclaimed. Is the game at that point where a fakeclaim would ensure a baddie win? Feels like a baddie win is all but unavoidable anyway. And INH wasn't on the chopping block at all, was he?

INH, can you give us all the details you know on your role? Do you know who Gandalf is?

I know my case on Epi is weak, but his rebuttal is also super weak. "I don't have a meta". Right. I'll vote Epi, and it probably won't matter.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine