The Syndicate

LOL never again.

Obviously DM and Robyn then.

Too late. Sorry.

Fine. [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:58 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:53 pm Guess that's that. Good game LC. Good game robyn.

Honestly not in the mood. I'm not a fucking Wolf.

Neither am I, but you're voting me.

I'm outplayed.

You're mafia.

I'm gonna take a deep breath and ignore that.

Now Wilgy might as well be voting Epi.

You two are the ones I think are the Wolf team, so this is fun on a bun.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:53 pm Guess that's that. Good game LC. Good game robyn.

Honestly not in the mood. I'm not a fucking Wolf.

Neither am I, but you're voting me.

I'm outplayed.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 8:53 pm Guess that's that. Good game LC. Good game robyn.

Honestly not in the mood. I'm not a fucking Wolf.

@DarlingMonroe are you coming back?

Epignosis
2
22%
Voters: Long Con, robyn

DrWilgy
1
11%
Voters: DarlingMonroe

DarlingMonroe
2
22%
Voters: Epignosis, DrWilgy


... is this what DarlingMonroe The Wolf does when it's fifteen minutes until a game-winning elimination?

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 7:29 pm This poll split is still ass. Someone fix it.

vote epi or you are wolf

So you are a Wolf then.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:35 pm dude, epi has done nothing but follow pyxxy's wrong read... i have never seen anyone more wolf

Not even Robyn?

I guess it's bedtime. See you tomorrow, most likely within an hour of the deadline, given what we've done so far.

I can live with that.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:48 am

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:26 pm you fucking supposed to play around it, i get nk'ed, and you play around it

qed

What is your problem with me adding an additional layer obfuscation?

What's NA?

Better to leave all claimers in the hopes they will be suspected for it.

Really, what is the point of trying to kill the prime when another just takes its place.?

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:43 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:42 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:41 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:38 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:37 am epi/lc unpaired

I actually feel that way about you and LC.

If you are right, and if I am right, then this is solved.

you propose a dm/wigly team?

It's either that or DM/LC. The common thread is DarlingMonroe.

lc was claimed prime timeline which could get a clear, what do you think about mafia not night killing him

They didn't kill you either, Prime Timeline.

It feels like we three actually care about figuring this out.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:37 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:36 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:29 am But if you're with DM, then your unwillingness to bus a teammate comes into play in that particular elimination.

So what has been my master plan for getting DarlingMonroe lynched NOW?

If you lead the Lynch on your partner at this point than you are practically guaranteed to win.

How would that have been any different one phase ago?

Now it's F5.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:31 am From the perspective that I'm bad? Feels weird to answer that since I'm not.

I honestly don't know how to answer that at this point

bad at towning and have done nothing but tr wolves and push townies*

You cannot know that I have townread a single Wolf.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:29 am But if you're with DM, then your unwillingness to bus a teammate comes into play in that particular elimination.

So what has been my master plan for getting DarlingMonroe lynched NOW?

If you lead the Lynch on your partner at this point than you are practically guaranteed to win.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:34 am What if...

we're letting DM and Wilgy win?

We're in here yelling at one another. They are doing nothing. I'm having Nanook flashbacks.

Possible.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:33 am I really don't get your thinking LC.

I avoid bussing DarlingMonroe (my teammate) earlier but now I'm desperate to kill the sumbitch today? How does that work?

Desperate today, but you couldn't cast a vote on them to save your own hide. That is questionable.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:31 am not bad as in scum

Oh I get it, but the answer is still the same unfortunately.

You guys are both so convincing. Robyn's efforts at this point seemed very Towny. Epi feels like a cold dose of reality.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:23 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:17 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:11 am Ok, let's go Epi then. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

oh wow, i thought you’d need more convincing

why did you vote though, i believe i’m right, why do you?

Because, rude as you are, you are right about me. I'm a terrible Townie, and my logic and reads are terrible more often than not. I died night 1 in the Ted Lasso ongoing, but I did state in that that I'd completely flip my reads on Day 4 because I'm aware of my deficiencies. Consider this, that. You sound like you get it, and I already did have suspicions of Epi, as you noted. I don't have to hyper-focus on one lynch and extrapolate everything from there with a few possibly dubious assumptions.

i don't mean to demean you, when catching wolves i look for wolfsiding, and you are a prime suspect for that

but let's say you're bad, out of the PL who have you townread the hardest thus far?

From the perspective that I'm bad? Feels weird to answer that since I'm not.

I honestly don't know how to answer that at this point..

But if you're with DM, then your unwillingness to bus a teammate comes into play in that particular elimination.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:18 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:16 am

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:14 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:11 am Ok, let's go Epi then. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

A man with zero convictions.

epi what do you think of svs suspecting you d1 and wigly hammering svs instead of you on d1

Haven't thought about it at all. I don't care about S~V~S suspecting me. I care even less about Wilgy not voting for me. What a question.

svs is a very strong villager, her death d1 was therefore pushed by wolves, no?

you were the cw d1, don’t you know who was pushing the chop fairly and unfairly?

I don't see S~V~S as particularly strong over other villagers.

I'm not pinning this game on my crazy theories. We can win or lose on someone else's conscience.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:11 am Ok, let's go Epi then. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

A man with zero convictions.

More like zero confidence in my detective abilities.

robyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 12:11 am Ok, let's go Epi then. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

oh wow, i thought you’d need more convincing

why did you vote though, i believe i’m right, why do you?

Because, rude as you are, you are right about me. I'm a terrible Townie, and my logic and reads are terrible more often than not. I died night 1 in the Ted Lasso ongoing, but I did state in that that I'd completely flip my reads on Day 4 because I'm aware of my deficiencies. Consider this, that. You sound like you get it, and I already did have suspicions of Epi, as you noted. I don't have to hyper-focus on one lynch and extrapolate everything from there with a few possibly dubious assumptions.

Ok, let's go Epi then. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:34 pm I'm working and dislike not having a poll time at the top. I did call for unanimity among civilians even if my vote isn't the preferred one. Long Con, can you go through your thought process about the tie exactly? I read your posts but don't quite understand your point there.

Neither Epignosis nor DM are Wolves, because a Wolf team doesn't allow their teammate to risk elimination in this situation. Either of you could have easily been removed from the tie by any player in the game, and it wouldn't have taken much to explain the moved vote.

Therefore the Wolves are in Robyn, Wilgy, and Long Con, the only surviving players who were not at risk in the three-way tie.



A caveat is that Wilgy has, in the past, railroaded a teammate into a risky tie when it wasn't even necessary. So he is capable of doing that, meaning it could be DM and Wilgy. But I don't think this situation merits that kind of move from him.

Another caveat is that Robyn and DM were the two players not present at EoD. So they could be Wolves that maybe didn't really mean to risk DM but oh well they survived. This is probably more likely than the Wilgy-bus above.

You could have gotten yourself out of the tie by voting DM, but I don't think a DM-Epi team makes sense because why would DM leave early with the vote on their teammate? Too risky.

So my solves are:

Robyn-Wilgy (weren't at risk in the three-way tie)
Robyn-DM (both not present at EoD)
DM-Wilgy (Wilgy's crazy bussin' ways)
DM-Epi (caught in an awkward place, and Epi doesn't bus teammates)

...in order from most likely to least.

So now, since Wilgy and DM are the two most likely teammates of Robyn, and they're both voting that way... well, I guess it gets interesting.

So vote Robyn then, if that's the team.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:40 pm Have Robyn/Darling ever been around for the EoD shuffle?

I feel that it's just been you, me, Epi, and Pyx, so why would we expect W/W Darling/Robyn to be online to save DM?

If we're talking about the latest elimination, then neither were present at EoD. I did discuss this.

How is "have they ever been around" relevant?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:38 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:28 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:21 pm I think an entire world view shouldn't crumple to the argument "maybe wolves were afk"

The dismissive and intentional tone-deafness of this response reassures me that I'm right.

Wasn't supposed to be dismissive, apologies.

Just feels that we've been jumping through hoops to get to DM's flip and now we're like "nah" once again.

If DM is a Wolf, then why were they in the three-way tie? That makes no sense to me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 4:21 pm I think an entire world view shouldn't crumple to the argument "maybe wolves were afk"

The dismissive and intentional tone-deafness of this response reassures me that I'm right.

Of course you would want that, but I'd prefer if the Town won.

@Epignosis pyxxy's opinion on DM isn't enough for me, and I feel that the vote dynamics of the last elimination are a stronger case. If you think that's wrong, tell me and I'll consider it.

Maybe it's Epignosis and DM, and they got super-lucky with the rand on Abby. It's notable that Epi wasn't voting DM yesterday, despite him hounding me about not eliminating DM. All he could have done, really, is move his vote to bus DM, and I don't think that's particularly in his general wheelhouse to do. And DM wasn't around to switch to Abby... but that doesn't jive because DM's vote stayed on Epi at EoD.

What kind of team has one member that won't bus, and the other that does? One would think they'd come to a mutual decision on whether or not to bus. Plus, with a perfect game so far, was it time to bus? I don't think DM needed to go against Epi there is they are teammates.

So I'll stick with Robyn and Wilgy. Maybe I'm the only one left playing. Robyn peaced out when I voted for her, and has not returned despite being on-site today for another game, so that doesn't engender trust in me.

Well ok. Robyn-Wilgy is my solve then, because of the dynamics of the three-way tie, and going with the idea that the Wolves don't risk losing one of their own when it's very easy to cast a vote to prevent it.

Robyn-Wilgy then.

Only Robyn was not around. So it's either a DM-Robyn team, or Wilgy is playing it dangerously (as he has historically) in order to gain this kind of cred.

Unless it's someone who also wasn't around.

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:16 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 3:15 am DarlingMonroe was not around for the three-way tie, and is not cleared by my theory.

wouldn't have my partner in that case alert me to break the tie?

They would just break the tie themselves.

But Wolf partners exist.

Epignosis
2
17%
Voters: robyn, DarlingMonroe
☆Princess Abigail☆
2
17%
Voters: Epignosis, Long Con
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
robyn
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
2
17%
Voters: DrWilgy, pyxxy

Only a Wolf partner that wasn't around at EoD makes sense, in this context, for DM to be a Wolf.

DarlingMonroe was not around for the three-way tie, and is not cleared by my theory.