The Syndicate

Aw, come on! S~V~S, you have gone too far!

fingersplints wrote:LC - I thought you were playing a really good game. I was going to target you N3 for it, but couldn't bring myself to do it.

I appreciate that!

MovingPictures07 wrote:LC, I agree you played an awesome game as 1.0 and 2.0. Honestly, I think if you remove the recruiting element completely from the game, civvies would have very likely had a win here.

No doubt about it! We just needed to take out Hedge early and it was unquestionably the Civvies' game.

I have to learn from this game to inform my baddie game, clearly being a little quieter makes a world of difference. Maybe I should miss the first couple of days of every game I play, and spend the next couple 'catching up'.

I also played a brilliant game where no one suspected me. I'll just kiss my own ass for that one.

Fantastic game, Civvies. The first three lynches were wrong, but we literally lynched (or attempted to lynch) a baddie/indy every single day for the rest of the game. Sometimes, playing a totally amazing game isn't enough, sometimes you just need to lynch that one quiet person or the game is out of your reach. Chris, you were so right so much of the time, you probably played the best game out of any of us.

Where did the lynch switch come from?

Gotrees wrote:

Long Con wrote:Too many recruits, too much freedom of recruiting. I figured when Epig was saying the Civs had no chance that he was speaking from a behind-the-scenes perspective, and that this end is what he meant.

I think he actually started saying that even before we had recruited him.

Well, I guess looking at things from the worst possible perspective works out sometimes.

Did anyone think Long Con 1.0 was Rory? I did two role hints, and I would like to think that I did them the right way.

The first was to get upset with Chris for endangering Amy Pond - I was kind of role-playing as Rory in a manner of speaking.

The other was, after giving a couple of my Civvie role decodes, I slammed the Rory decode into the thread, completed.

Hilarious that keys was Amy Pond - I can't believe that when I was telling him it was him and me, he's ma boy, etc, that it fit in with the quasi-role-playing I had done about Amy.

Too many recruits, too much freedom of recruiting. I figured when Epig was saying the Civs had no chance that he was speaking from a behind-the-scenes perspective, and that this end is what he meant. I had to play like it wasn't that way, what else can you do?

Not sure why the game wasn't ended a lot sooner.

Maybe the Cybers really believed in the theory that Zeek was the Recruiter, and wanted that huge unknown factor diminished so that they can have a chance to win?

Good point, a Strax kill would only take Dom Master's third survival away after today's lynch. I really hope keys wasn't Strax!

And I agree that you have been WAY assier than you were in the post were Snow Dog called you an ass.

Chris wrote:LC, who are you thinking for today's lynch? Do you think that Dom is The Master? Did you think zeek was the recruiter?

I do think both those things, yes. I suppose that we have to lynch Dom, so that Strax can kill him tonight OR we find out that he's telling the truth and Strax can kill someone else tonight.

I don't understand why The Master killed Keys. Moreover, I don't understand why the Cybers killed Zeek.

I was sure that The Master would kill Zeek. It's like, if The Master is Dom, then he's pissed at Zeek for ending his game, and says to himself, "F this guy, if I'm going down over this crap, he's not making it a day further!" If The Master is not Dom, he still kills Zeek so that we say "Of course it was Dom that did that for obvious reasons."

And if I were a Cyber, I'd be like "Let's kill anyone but Zeek, 'cause we don't want to double-target with The Master and waste a kill!"

So yeah, I have no idea why last night went the way it did.

Nice try, Master, clearly keys is not dead! Yay!

It would be a cool thing for The Master to make a NK attempt on Dom tonight.

I'd like to speculate that Clara Oswald is dead, because damn, it would have been nice to end this night early.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:I'M NOT EVEN THE MASTER

Maybe not, but since people already thought you were AND you survived a lynch, it's going to be very hard to convince people otherwise.

An unenviable situation indeed.

DFaraday wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:I am so saddened that THIS is how we play Mafia now.


People playing horribly is causing people to come to faulty conclusions. Love it.

I do think this game really got out of hand in a few different ways, and I'm as much to blame as anyone. I'm actually going to feel kind of bad if it turns out you are the Master at this point because of the lack of deductive reasoning any of us (except Zeek) used to get there.

EBWOP: Wow, LC, you're saying pretty much the exact opposite of what I said.

What?

And fair play to you, I suppose. My main point was that in general, the push for Dom didn't seem to be founded much on actual casework.

Like I said, my own comfort with a Dom lynch was based on gut. Nothing wrong with gut. Even though I didn't vote for him, I had thought of him as my main Master suspect for days.

Might you come to these conclusions if you were in my shoes?

If not, can you tell me what would make you disbeleive it?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Everyone wants The Master dead ASAP, Civvies and Recruiter alike.

Zeek, if you hadn't insisted that you *know* that Dom is The Master, then you would have nothing but congratulations for good detective work. You understand why I came to that conclusion, right? I mean, no hard feelings because it makes sense, maybe? Doesn't it??

What about me, sir?

Well, unfortunately, if Zeek is The Recruiter and failed to recruit Dom because The Master can't be recruited... then your own information that you can't reveal about why Dom is The Master could easily spring from you being a recruit and having access to the same info Zeek does. Or you being the Recruiter and Zeek being a recruit also works in that scenario... Zeek would be an excellent recruit since we know he's not Cyber or Dalek, and you'd be a good recruit because you're influential and hard to nail down as a baddie.

Hmm.

What if I told you that I was good, got recruited, then got recruited AGAIN, and then got a new power.

That'd be trippy, wouldn't it?

Yes, very trippy!

Also, Chris, I wanted to let you know what your quote signature was supposed to say... what the Generator made it into is 1000x better, but the original statement was "Strax's kill tonight hopefully factors into my suspicions."

keys56000000000 wrote:Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?

inb4 Chris brings up Long Con yelling at you for asking this. I'm just not that guy anymore.

zeek wrote:I don't need civ cred, people generally trusted me up until this point.

I'll deal with the ignorance tomorrow

linki - no prize here, but expect Dom to pretend to have used one.

Good night, I'd love for you to at least acknowledge that my theory that you're The Recruiter makes sense logically, and isn't just some ignorant half-cocked theory full of wild assumptions.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Everyone wants The Master dead ASAP, Civvies and Recruiter alike.

Zeek, if you hadn't insisted that you *know* that Dom is The Master, then you would have nothing but congratulations for good detective work. You understand why I came to that conclusion, right? I mean, no hard feelings because it makes sense, maybe? Doesn't it??

What about me, sir?

Well, unfortunately, if Zeek is The Recruiter and failed to recruit Dom because The Master can't be recruited... then your own information that you can't reveal about why Dom is The Master could easily spring from you being a recruit and having access to the same info Zeek does. Or you being the Recruiter and Zeek being a recruit also works in that scenario... Zeek would be an excellent recruit since we know he's not Cyber or Dalek, and you'd be a good recruit because you're influential and hard to nail down as a baddie.

keys56000000000 wrote:I can't help but note how both Dom and Zeek have expressed how much we would regret lynching them, after LC warned everyone not to let a Strax lynch happen..

At least Dom isn't Strax, right? So that's good. And how would Strax *know* that Dom is The Master. Strax never tried to kill Dom.

Dom and Zeek, are either of you planning on claiming a Prize as the reason for you being a Civvie with powers no Civvie has?

Everyone wants The Master dead ASAP, Civvies and Recruiter alike.

Zeek, if you hadn't insisted that you *know* that Dom is The Master, then you would have nothing but congratulations for good detective work. You understand why I came to that conclusion, right? I mean, no hard feelings because it makes sense, maybe? Doesn't it??

Anyone up for some Roxy-Zeek interaction checking?

A "dead half the game" recruiter who also failed on The Master would be... very nice for the Civvies.

Chris wrote:LC, what if zeek knew who Dom was because he's "the recruiter"?

He tried and failed to recruit Dom. I find that to be an idea worth thinking about.

Let me know if I'm mistaken, but did we clear Zeek of being a Dalek (all dead) or a Cyberman (they killed him)? So, The Recruiter would be a fine possibility for him. Can you imagine if we rezzed The Recruiter?! Wow. Who was responsible for that rez?

Also, LC, do you like the idea of the "Jacob" vs "MIB" theory with 2 of the secret roles?

Nope... I don't think that's how it is. I see it as The Recruiter and The Neutral LMS With Some Power We Don't Know. Or Evil instead of Neutral, but they ain't killing, so .

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:I am so saddened that THIS is how we play Mafia now.


People playing horribly is causing people to come to faulty conclusions. Love it.

I do think this game really got out of hand in a few different ways, and I'm as much to blame as anyone. I'm actually going to feel kind of bad if it turns out you are the Master at this point because of the lack of deductive reasoning any of us (except Zeek) used to get there.

EBWOP: Wow, LC, you're saying pretty much the exact opposite of what I said.

I think there's nothing wrong with a healthy amount of gut being involved in Mafia decisions. Reasoning is also important of course. You need both for Good Mafia. I really just said it was a good lynch because I found it really interesting, and my suspicions changed over the course of it based on what I read, and there were some funny jokes in there too... I had fun!

Chris wrote:There isn't a secret role we don't know anything about?

I did say it would be tough for Dom to sell. I'm not saying he's it... but that last secret role does exist.

I thought two secret roles still exist. Oh, wait, The Recruiter is one. Right.

*posts anyway*

On the contrary, Dom, I thought that this lynch in particular was an invigorating and interesting one, very much what I consider to be good Mafia. I wanted to congratulate everyone on keeping this game very interesting, even if Dom ends up being the White Jacob secret role and it's a big mistake.

One thing, though... Dom's lynch survival is suspicious because there's nothing in the (unclaimed) Civvie roles that explain it. There is also nothing I can see in the Civvie roles that would explain Zeek's 100% knowledge that Dom is The Master. So... that's sort of suspicious for the same reason?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Dom won't be lynched. Ten bucks.

If Dom is Strax, will you vote for yourself next lynch?

If Dom ain't, will you vote for yourself?

No, that makes no sense. I'm not making the case he's Strax or not Strax, it's not my name on the line here.

If I'm right, will you vote how I want you to vote from here on out?

Of course not. So why ask what you asked?

Don't be so hasty, if he's The Master then I'll be a lot more likely to follow your vote and your logic. Part of my worry was that you were The Master, and if Dom is The Master... looks good for you!

keys56000000000 wrote:

zeek wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

zeek wrote:Okay, one last time.

I KNOW Dom is bad.

Do you, though? Do you know?

Yes.

And you know what the word "know" means, right? You know what it is to know? I.e. you literally had confirmation that Dom is bad? Because I don't believe that's what you mean to tell us. You merely [ithink[/i] Dom's The Master, based on your observations, correct?

Zeek the Lie Detector?

Chris wrote:LC, if the head is on DF's votes, it's only worth 2, so it'll be a tie.

Perfect. Well, 50% chance of perfect? I dunno, who knows what would happen in a real tie? Possible great information!

I think Dom will be the lynched though, we'll see if it pleases us.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Dom won't be lynched. Ten bucks.

If Dom is Strax, will you vote for yourself next lynch?

If Dom ain't, will you vote for yourself?

No, that makes no sense. I'm not making the case he's Strax or not Strax, it's not my name on the line here.

I voted DF to make it 7-6 with Dom going down. If Snow Dog is The Head then it's 8-6 Dom. If DF goes down, then we'll need to re-evaluate who Snow Dog is supposed to be, right?

Epignosis wrote:Dom won't be lynched. Ten bucks.

If Dom is Strax, will you vote for yourself next lynch?

Chris wrote:

Long Con wrote:

zeek wrote:We truly are fucked then, aren't we?

DFaraday, Hedgeowl, S~V~S, and Gotrees still haven't voted.

Also, a tied vote could reveal the Cyber Head, which would be cool. As long as Amy Pond stays out of it.

Right now, Dom is going to be lynched by 1 vote.

Interesting. And if DFaraday is lynched over Dom in a tie, then you would consider Snow Dog to be the Cyber Role Blocker?

Epignosis wrote:I cannot share that info without outing myself. Sorry. I don't do that. Even if it is allowed here.

And if Dom turns up Civvie, you'll be committed to Nijuu being the Master?

zeek wrote:We truly are fucked then, aren't we?

DFaraday, Hedgeowl, S~V~S, and Gotrees still haven't voted.

Also, a tied vote could reveal the Cyber Head, which would be cool. As long as Amy Pond stays out of it.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you? It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?

I have no problem with seeming bad. I always seem bad. I could make a career out of it.

How do you substantiate your claims against LMS?

I'm just goin by a spreadsheet, Chief.

Well, I don't have a spreadsheet, Pal. How about sharing? Didn't yo momma teach you to share? Your spreadsheet has the ability to translate back into the game-based events that led to its current state, right? So, what events led you to cross off keys, Hedgeowl, everyone else except Dom and Nijuu, from being The Master? I don't understand your refusal to explain your logic, it makes no sense to me. Are you claiming that your refusal to share the logic is a ploy to make you seem more baddie?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you? It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?

Ha ha, Chris, ok, so no Snow Dog today I guess.

Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:rezz please

He looks trustworthy!

keys56000000000 wrote:

Chris wrote:keys.,..

I don't like the look of that out-of-place comma, there..

Nice. I'm going to use that out-of-place comma in a future game in order to indicate that my post is a deception, a trick. I'll go back after it's done and reference the comma post, and this post, and reveal my awesome sneakiness.

It's gonna be awesome.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Long Con wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

Mmmmm, drugs.

"Work, drugs!"

keys56000000000 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Keys, why should anyone trust you enough to just vote someone because you say so? Are you SuperGut, the most powerful gut-based detective around?

Epig, I didn't think your case on Dom was that strong because I don't understand the basic assumption: that Dom or Nijuu has to be The Master. Why can't Hedgeowl be The Master, or Keys?

"Crazy Little Thing Called Logic"

But if you don't share the logic you are using, then we don't know if it's sound or faulty, so it makes it less likely that we will be able to put faith in your case. Did I miss where you laid out the logical information that leads to that conclusion, or do you prefer to just keep it private?

Epignosis wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I find it amusing that I am a "wild card." Immensely amusing But I'm really not that wild if you think about it. Not in the thread, at least

You're not wild in real life either. Boring ass English teacher who'd rather read Chaucer than shoot heroin off a stripper's knee.

Can't we do both?

Keys, why should anyone trust you enough to just vote someone because you say so? Are you SuperGut, the most powerful gut-based detective around?

Epig, I didn't think your case on Dom was that strong because I don't understand the basic assumption: that Dom or Nijuu has to be The Master. Why can't Hedgeowl be The Master, or Keys?

keys56000000000 wrote:Question for all: What do we know about Zeek? I feel like he's been getting a pass because he was rezzed.

He was recruited immediately, and joined MP and Chris as the Obvious Recruit Team!

zeek wrote:Yeah, you have discussed people but remotely strong opinions? No. You're trying to coast through. My argument is not based on this, however, and when you're lynched everyone will know I was right.

And how will that feel?