The Syndicate

I'm surprised no one pointed the finger at me for killing Dom and MP. I thought that's what you were trying to do!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:Fun game, Elo + Epi! <3 Also, congrats to the winners!



I was convinced someone wanted me dead because you kept controlling my votes to the worst possible person I could vote for in the given situation.

Is that why you were saying what you were about LC or are you referring to different votes?

Ha ha, yeah, it was funny when Dom said I was trying to make him and you fight each other. I was like, "No... but it's cool!"

DFaraday wrote:

Long Con wrote:Also bad luck for both of us that we targeted DFaraday on Night 1, not only did we waste a kill, we wasted an extra Chick Hicks lynch.

Yeah, what was up with that? You know I'm mostly irrelevant in the early game.

I was literally irrelevant in the early game because I was preoccupied with Monopoly Mafia, and pretty RL busy to boot. I received a PM with our team's decisions for the night, with the "unless LC disagrees, go with this." So I'm not actually sure why.

I think it could have gone differently if we had not chosen to kill Sabie, and instead went with Snow Dog that night. Also bad luck for both of us that we targeted DFaraday on Night 1, not only did we waste a kill, we wasted an extra Chick Hicks lynch.

Snow Dog wrote:Good game. Nicely played LC. You swayed me several times.

You didn't go for that last great one though, to make a tie between Chick and MM. I knew that was a long shot. I realized at that point that it would be impossible to win without Chick killing one more time, but it was too late to save him.

So, was there a secret we could have deciphered from the lap results?

FZ. wrote:2. Why didn't the baddies kill the established civvies. This is what worries me, because it makes no sense to narrow down the options for the civvies. I really really hope there wasn't any recruitment involved.

I don't think there were any confirmed Civvies until Made was lynched on Day 6 and confirmed Snow Dog. Unless you mean Simon and/or Tink doing some not-so-subtle quasi-info-drop things as Civvie confirmation?

Snow Dog wrote:And why did LC vote for Bass? He was going to be lynched so why put that final not needed vote on him.

He was going to be lynched no matter where I voted. Where SHOULD I have voted? I don't understand your confusion.

I think this day should last forever.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Don't really need much time to take out the last baddie, *votes MM*

So you go along with the idea that the Lemons killed one of there own. And their leader to boot! Would anyone kill their own seemer with the slight chance they'd be rezzed? It's possible sure but is it likely?
Was anyone suggesting BWT be rezzed? I'll check if I get the time. Or if for example I see Splints suggesting BWT was civ. Then I may believe it.

Seems like the only possibility left. Plus, I don't see why Tink would be so sure of MM being Miles Axelrod if it was not true.

Don't really need much time to take out the last baddie, *votes MM*

Epignosis wrote:The Host post will be a tad late this evening. Merry Christmas!

This is total redacted!

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

I think it's better to make it a tie between MetalMarsh and DFaraday, actually. As someone said, Tink has been wrong before. If we make it a tie, then whichever one of them is Chick would force the tie the other way, and we can be sure who Chick is and lynch that person tomorrow. I think the Seemer's ability is trumped by the total elimination of a team, so it shouldn't be a problem to know for sure that Chick's tiebreaker killed Miles.

Chicks doesn't have to be one of the two candidates for a lynch to break the tie, so we gain nothing by creating a tie. It doesn't matter to us which baddie is who, it matters that we get all of them.

I think DF is bad, and I'm finding myself not sure between you and MM. If MM is in fact the civ and you the baddie, then by forcing the tie, we get a civ dead, and that is something I don't want.
If you can prove that you're a civ and MM is not, then by all means. Until then, I'd rather take out the person I'm most sure is bad

I guess you're right. I can't prove it without infodumping, but I think if we stay the course, then we can bet on a Civvie win. I'll change my vote to DFaraday in case of any shenanigans.

Snow Dog wrote:I always leaned on LC being Chicks.

I'm not Chick and I'm not the last baddie. That much should be proven soon enough.

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

I think it's better to make it a tie between MetalMarsh and DFaraday, actually. As someone said, Tink has been wrong before. If we make it a tie, then whichever one of them is Chick would force the tie the other way, and we can be sure who Chick is and lynch that person tomorrow. I think the Seemer's ability is trumped by the total elimination of a team, so it shouldn't be a problem to know for sure that Chick's tiebreaker killed Miles.

Oooohhhhhh... "you're the only one left to vote"... can mean two different things. I thought you meant he's the only one who still needs to vote. Like everyone else has already voted. I get it now.

I agree with most of what you said except that I still think you're Miles.

Only two people have voted, what do you mean he's the only one left?

Snow Dog defended Made with the tenacity of a teammate. Made was someone who likely has BTSC with someone.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm voting DF for now.

Why is Snow Dog not drawing suspicion from anyone? Is he confirmed civ for some reason that I missed.

There is a reason, Snow Dog is undeniably likely to be a Civ role. You, however, were fingered by Tink as Miles Axelrod, and then Miles Axelrod killed Tink. It's pretty suspicious, to put it mildly. And then you try to throw it over to Snow Dog. Tink was probably British Intel, if I'm reading the reasonably clear signs correctly.

Sorry I missed the vote guys, I had to work tonight and forgot to vote early. I would have voted fingersplints, and I'm not surprised she was a baddie!

Is there a case on FZ you have in mind, DFaraday? I'd be interested to hear it.

I would say that there's one baddie and one LMS left, and they are most likely to be fingersplints and DFaraday. That's barring any recruitment possibilities.

Snow Dog wrote:addendum.

There have been two ties and DF voted for the one that was lynched both times.

He is Chick.

Go ahead and vote for me or BR again if you like, guys, you are going to lynch a Civvie either way. It is possible to figure out who I am, if you've been paying attention.

I definitely have FZ. on my trust list.

No, it was not me. I read that, I hadn't realized it was accepted as Canon now.

I've never had my vote forced or been recruited, so what do I know? I just assumed from Z's role description that it was a recruiting role, and that the forced-voting thing was speculation.

Well, obviously there's a conversation that I haven't followed well enough. Maybe something that gives solid proof that no one is recruited?

I'm gonna make you show me what we both already know you're going to show me.

Elohcin wrote:
Professor Z
Rewires cars to work for him. *Secret*

Uh... maybe?

Also, anyone could be a recruit, right? That includes Black Rock, Snow Dog, etc.

I forget why MM is a confirmed Civ. I just woke up though.

Woo hoo for not being lynched, thanks Lizzie!

If I go down here... Well, you'll see what I was saying after Bass' death. I tried.

FZ. wrote:But I think that it's more important that we focus on the baddie team today.

That is true, because it's the baddies' kill tonight. Not to mention that anyone could be a re-wired recruit of Professor Z, joining the baddie team. Even (especially?) the people that everyone has more trust in. I just don't know who the baddies are, I'm a lot more sure of DF.

A DF lynch can wait until tomorrow though, Chicks doesn't kill again until tomorrow night.

Snow Dog wrote:You make too many assumptions LC.

Ok, well, when I'm proven right, I'll look to you to acknowledge it. I made a big assumption that your trust in Made meant you had Civvie BTSC, and you seemed pretty comfortable with that. I have at least presented a case that DF is Chick. It's more than you or anyone else has done, the only other accusations I've seen are "so-and-so could be Chicks, because I could imagine it being so".

I agree that one of those protective roles might have done something, but I think it's a lot less likely. Also, the way Epig did it - the target of the kill was not revealed. It's a lot more likely that he did so in order to obfuscate who got targeted, protecting the LMS.

Hedgeowl was Mater. If she protected you or DF from a baddie nightkill, she should have said something indicating that you weren't bad... though she was barely playing, so who knows. Did she even send in a protect night 1?

Roxy was Sarge. Maybe she roleblocked a baddie Night 1. If you can find evidence of that, then that might make you seem less guilty to me, but as it stands... you're Chick Hicks, DF.

I'm assuming MP was bad because I believe that the case I made against him and Dom was accurate. I don't expect you to agree with anything I said, DF, I understand.

I know that Ambray was not the Seemer. I'm only "suddenly SURE" insomuch as her death was "sudden". When I saw her role in the lynch, there was a "sudden" and easy logical connection I made that told me she's definitely Lightning McQueen.

Ok, DF, if you want it to be MP that survived the Night 1 kill, then how did he do it? He wasn't McQueen and he wasn't Chick Hicks - why don't YOU come up with a theory that's more believable? I'm just going with what's most likely. There's a few secrets in the roles, and the one that far outweighs the others for having a NK-survive is Chick, and MP wasn't Chick. You were targeted, and you survived, because you are Chick Hicks. Simplest explanation was that you are Lightning McQueen, but that was proven false, so next most likely is you are Chick.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I have not been contacted by Sally at all, so I would imagine she's been dead for a while... but again, if anyone can suggest otherwise, that would be a welcome thing to hear.

My vote will go to DFaraday today, for being Chick Hicks. Here's why:

- If you assume (as I do) that MP07 was a baddie, then it was DF who was targeted, and survived, on Night 1.
- I figured that meant he's Lightning McQueen, and that's why I have said that I trust him for a while now.
- Ambray was just lynched as Lightning McQueen, so DF survived for some other reason. I think that Chick Hicks can survive a nightkill in his Secret, and that's hat happened on Night 1.

Or Ambray was a seemer and we were all actually right. That's not a possibility I see you accidentally forgetting.

My belief was that MP is Lightning, and I think there is good enough reason to believe it.

I didn't accidentally forget that possibility. I just know that Ambray was the real Lightning McQueen, that's all.

You know? Is this me saying don't lynch Made know?

If by that, you mean 100% sure... then yes.

Ok

So what do you think of Black Rock?

She's been very quiet this game. I don't think she's a baddie, I think she'd be more involved as a baddie. She's a possible Chick Hicks, I was thinking about her being that role when she mentioned that she can never trust MP and Dom, and then they were both killed by Chick... but I don't think that's true anymore, because I really think that DF is Chick.

My votes haven't been crazy at all. No, I know that for another reason.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I have not been contacted by Sally at all, so I would imagine she's been dead for a while... but again, if anyone can suggest otherwise, that would be a welcome thing to hear.

My vote will go to DFaraday today, for being Chick Hicks. Here's why:

- If you assume (as I do) that MP07 was a baddie, then it was DF who was targeted, and survived, on Night 1.
- I figured that meant he's Lightning McQueen, and that's why I have said that I trust him for a while now.
- Ambray was just lynched as Lightning McQueen, so DF survived for some other reason. I think that Chick Hicks can survive a nightkill in his Secret, and that's hat happened on Night 1.

Or Ambray was a seemer and we were all actually right. That's not a possibility I see you accidentally forgetting.

My belief was that MP is Lightning, and I think there is good enough reason to believe it.

I didn't accidentally forget that possibility. I just know that Ambray was the real Lightning McQueen, that's all.

You know? Is this me saying don't lynch Made know?

If by that, you mean 100% sure... then yes.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I have not been contacted by Sally at all, so I would imagine she's been dead for a while... but again, if anyone can suggest otherwise, that would be a welcome thing to hear.

My vote will go to DFaraday today, for being Chick Hicks. Here's why:

- If you assume (as I do) that MP07 was a baddie, then it was DF who was targeted, and survived, on Night 1.
- I figured that meant he's Lightning McQueen, and that's why I have said that I trust him for a while now.
- Ambray was just lynched as Lightning McQueen, so DF survived for some other reason. I think that Chick Hicks can survive a nightkill in his Secret, and that's hat happened on Night 1.

Or Ambray was a seemer and we were all actually right. That's not a possibility I see you accidentally forgetting.

My belief was that MP is Lightning, and I think there is good enough reason to believe it.

I didn't accidentally forget that possibility. I just know that Ambray was the real Lightning McQueen, that's all.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Tink wrote:Long Con has to be Professor Z.

Why do you say so?

I'm very interested to hear this, because I'm really not him. What do you think of my DF theory, MM?

Tink wrote:Long Con has to be Professor Z.

Nope, I am not he.

I have not been contacted by Sally at all, so I would imagine she's been dead for a while... but again, if anyone can suggest otherwise, that would be a welcome thing to hear.

My vote will go to DFaraday today, for being Chick Hicks. Here's why:

- If you assume (as I do) that MP07 was a baddie, then it was DF who was targeted, and survived, on Night 1.
- I figured that meant he's Lightning McQueen, and that's why I have said that I trust him for a while now.
- Ambray was just lynched as Lightning McQueen, so DF survived for some other reason. I think that Chick Hicks can survive a nightkill in his Secret, and that's hat happened on Night 1.

See ya in the next life, brotha Dom.

DFaraday, what do you think of Ambray's lynch?

Oh, I forgot to lay my last reason out for voting you: your voted alternative is DFaraday, and I believe he's a Civvie, and I'd like to avoid his lynch if possible.

*thinking

So I was thining maybe the Lap Times have something to do with the Night Polls. Like, maybe there's no winner per se of a Night Poll, but each vote a person gets helps the speed of their racer. It would be interesting to revisit. Are racers with two dead players as their pit crew falling behind? Should I be voting for my crew partner? Is that person even still alive? I'd have to go and look.

Anyway, voting Ambray now. Sorry Ambray, but you were part of the 'save MR' crew, and ya gots ta go! Not to mention that you might already be gone due to Internet issues. Is this, like, a punishment your dad is implementing? What did you do? Pretty harsh. I understand that you don't like the way some have played this game. I hope my own gameplay has been satisfactory, but I would welcome some constructive criticism on the gameplay as a whole when all is said and done. Maybe we can collectively take some lessons to heart and boost the Civvie chances around here!

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ha! I voted for myself because I know how to turn on dirt, and then I saw Dom already did the same.

Dom, why do you think I wanted you and MP to fight?

Someone did.
I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say and what I'm not allowed to say. I have reason to believe someone is trying very hard to get me lynched, though.

I do want you to be lynched. But I don't know what you're hinting at here, I didn't do anything that would make you and MP fight. When were you fighting, I don't remember you guys being particularly at odds this game.

I specifically remember suspecting him and him suspecting me right back (because that's how MP works).
LC, who would want me out of this game ASAP?

That really reads like a leading question... as in, you already decided the answer is "Long Con, of course!" Maybe you can quote the issue you're discussing, but I don't feel like I'm qualified to answer your question. I don't know what I did to make you come at me like this, but it was never my plan to make you and MP fight each other. It will be really interesting when this game is done to see what this is all about, assuming you aren't "allowed to say anymore".

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ha! I voted for myself because I know how to turn on dirt, and then I saw Dom already did the same.

Dom, why do you think I wanted you and MP to fight?

Someone did.
I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say and what I'm not allowed to say. I have reason to believe someone is trying very hard to get me lynched, though.

I do want you to be lynched. But I don't know what you're hinting at here, I didn't do anything that would make you and MP fight. When were you fighting, I don't remember you guys being particularly at odds this game.

RIP Simon, see you next game!