The Syndicate

I hopes you thinks they're... preciousss...

thellama73 wrote:What level am I?

73.

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:JFC!?!? Dh, Dom, Mongoose, AND Snow? Foul?

what does this mean

JFC=Jesus Fucking Christ
No, but that baddie team sounds op af
(Op= overpowered)(af= as fuck)

you didn't say op af.
you said foul

Players don't make a team overpowered.

Seriously? There's not a player on that team that under Level 40. Totally stacked, they're probably a Clan.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was hoping to use that to my advantage at some point and try to get you guys to lynch me. Once I got the kill, I thought I could pull it off.

I tried reverse psychology with the Sabie kill, thinking some people would freak out enough over the idea of me just killing... but it didn't work at all.

I thought you were trying to ensure trust with everyone by killing Sabie. We were all fed up with non-players hanging about, so using kills on them instead of active folk was sure to meet with universal approval. At least, that's how I saw it.

Oh yeah!

I believe zeek protected him that night?

Yeah, Made is clearly drunk.

DharmaHelper wrote:Now I cant stop thinking about a flustered a frustrated LC trying to get me lynched since day 2, for almost 10 full in-game days. Hilarious.

You can pull up quotes from along the way. "The only sane guy in the asylum" was a good one.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I must say, excellently played as Gollum, LC.

Thanks!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I frankly thought that he intended some degree of possible outing of my role considering that is a mechanism that outs me to entire teams as it is -- both baddie teams already knew who I was...

Imagine if you had chosen to work WITH the baddies at this point... maybe if you had left Bass and Dom alone, they would have both been, like, "This guy's cool!" and who KNOWS? I like to turn baddie when I'm Indy, but I was glad for the opportunity to jump ship this time.

In addition, as Llama hinted, there will be very shortly implemented and explained a new site mechanism the administration and moderation team has designed to combat the issue of non-participation.

Nice. I think the non-participation issue is at least as bad for games as the infodumping issue.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Long Con wrote:Was the Hatter's win condition just survival? Also, I believed his threats were empty!


I changed his message to me to try and get Mongoose some sort of cred by grouping her with Civs.

My win condition was to get rid of as many players with hats (as in, their role picture) as possible. If the hats outnumbered the no-hats, I would win with any alignment, whether or not I was lynched.

Hence, when I found out you were without a hat (and others), I went after you, absolutely not giving a shit what happened to me in the process

Awesome! And you sent me a message that night because I asked for Snape to send it? Did you like how I altered it?

I was sent:

A secret revolution is building! Wanna really win this game? Spread the message of peace! Purge the thread of those who carry weapons - swords, wands, screwdrivers that may or may not be sonic, overly large sticks...you get the gist. Together, we can win this without violence! But discretion is key...

I see now that it refers to killing hatless folk. I changed it to refer to bea, Elohcin, S~V~S and Mongoose, in a Hail Mary attempt to associate Mongoose with those 'Confirmed Civs'... or to make people think they were all recruited or something... kind of just adding different chemicals to the mixture to see what happened. Nothing really happened, but it was worth a try. I said it was from Snape in the thread because I wanted to gauge S~V~S' reaction because there was some niggling suspicion that DH was fooling me and S~V~S was Voldemort, and they were all laughing at me behind the scenes, thinking I knew anything.

Snow Dog wrote:LC, why did you spell it "rumour"?

I just prefer to spell things correctly whenever possible. Americans apparently don't like the letter "u" as much as the rest of the world, so they drop it from words like colour, honour, neighbour, rumour, etc.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

Hey hey hey!

LC I am sorry for the oversight-- I am a bit drunk.




TBH you played an amazing game. I am very happy you won-- we agreed, as a team, that you should.

I made it a point to specifically not out DH, because I wanted to play at a higher standard. I really thought I would be successful with the semi-bogus case against him, but DAMN is he slippery!

Also, he admitted to me in the Gollum chat that his Day One Misfits ploy was all bullshit. So I tried to focus everyone on it. I still don't know why no one ever analyzed it and saw that it was ludicrous... another testament to DH's abilities!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:I agree, I think "info dumping", or at least info-hinting, should be a vibrant part of Mafia. It's the reason why giving the baddies a dead-role-checker (or even a regular role-checker) is so good. What an opportunity!

Perhaps the better way to combat the perceived info-dumping problem is for hosts to introduce things into the game to specifically neutralize the possibility. More baddie roles that can cause wrong information to seem right, variants on the Seemer role, roles that are listed as Civvie but are actually bad...

Also, it's worthwhile to point out that the baddies have a WAY better record on this site than the Civvies. The baddies win disproportionately more. So an infodumping problem isn't hurting the overall baddie win chances.

It is when infodumping is against the rules, which is generally the case.

Perhaps that should/could be changed for future games?

I would like to see that. I think some of the ideas I put out there could really lessen the negative impact of an "infodump".

Thanks, Dom, I really appreciate that. I can only imagine what you guys thought of Gollum throughout the game!

Dom wrote:Of the people in the end game, the only person who was not outed/didn't out themselves was DH-- when excluding inactives because they don't matter at that point.

Hey hey hey!

I agree, I think "info dumping", or at least info-hinting, should be a vibrant part of Mafia. It's the reason why giving the baddies a dead-role-checker (or even a regular role-checker) is so good. What an opportunity!

Perhaps the better way to combat the perceived info-dumping problem is for hosts to introduce things into the game to specifically neutralize the possibility. More baddie roles that can cause wrong information to seem right, variants on the Seemer role, roles that are listed as Civvie but are actually bad...

Also, it's worthwhile to point out that the baddies have a WAY better record on this site than the Civvies. The baddies win disproportionately more. So an infodumping problem isn't hurting the overall baddie win chances.

You need winner's banners, Epig?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hot damn civvies. SVS and I decided on Day 2 that DH was bad and needed to go and he STILL made it to Day 12??????

You guys decided?

I not only decided he was bad, I made it my lifestyle for the whole game!

Yeah, I didn't PM the Questions Three, I just said them in the thread.

No effect.

Epignosis wrote:In The Hobbit, the ring would make a civilian who took it unlynchable. If that person voted for The Necromancer, that person would die (and Roxy did). If that person voted for Gollum, Gollum would get the ring. Any non-civilian with the ring (Necromancer or Gollum) would have a vote worth 2.

OOOOO! I wanted that Ring so badly. I didn't care what it did, but that would have been sweet!

The Triforce of Wisdom for The Legend of Zelda did exactly what it did in the original game. It's user could learn a role's secrets. Timmer won it (by pointing out that a Raven is like an Eagle because they have the same NFL record) and learned Voldemort's secrets.

Heh heh... no Polyjuice Potion!

zeek wrote:You chose me to pretend to be? I'm in a totally different timezone haha! Got your new win conditions just in time anyway, well done :P

DH guessed me to be zeek, somewhat idly, so I threw out a blush emoticon and went with it.

DharmaHelper wrote:Early on in our chat LC said "rumour" instead of "rumor" so I had to narrow it down between the non-americans that were actually playing.

I can't recall when I stopped thinking "I want to win" and started thinking "I want LC to win"

This guy, everyone.... this guy!

Epignosis wrote:Gollum- *Secret*
Gollum has no allegiance except to The Precious, which he unfortunately lost a long time ago. Gollum may choose one person to establish anonymous BTSC with on any Night, and he will share that person’s win condition from then on. However. if anyone tries to Night kill Gollum, he will survive the torture, but will tell his would-be killer the role of his partner. Paranoid, he will leave that partner and is free to target someone else on a subsequent Night, gaining a different win condition. Gollum’s vote is worth 0.

I targeted DH on Night 2, because I thought he was bad and I wanted to find out for sure before getting him lynched.

I was surprised to find that I didn't actually find out what my new win condition was when I joined him, but I acted like I knew he was bad and he eventually confirmed he was a Sorcerer. So, I did what I could to keep him from knowing I was Long Con... he guessed I was zeek early on, and I went with it. I would mostly try to come to the chat only when zeek was posting.

I tried my best to get DH lynched for most of the game, but I decided to do it as honourably as I could, so I built a case based on his so-called connection to DFaraday, and made the case that he was a Suit based on that, and on his other behaviours. And I couldn't get it done, he was too damn good, and kept not getting lynched.

On night 6(?), he redirected Snape's potion to zeek, believing him to be Gollum, aka me. That potion made zeek into Marla Singer, and shaped the game considerably for him and Timmer.

Somewhere along the line I realized that getting DH killed wouldn't free me of his win condition, and I tried to draw the nightkill so I could attach to a Civvie and ride the game out in style and comfort. DH laughed sarcastically at my attempts without even knowing why it was so appropriate... he just saw right through them and mocked me.

Around Day 9 or so, I finally gave in and told DH everything. My role PM, my identity as Long Con, and everything else I knew. I threw myself into helping the Sorcerers gain an advantage, but it was too late. DharmaHelper, being the fine player he is, agreed to nightkill me so that I could move on and get a Civvie win condition.

The Boomslang lynch came, and I realized that if Mongoose went down, and DH killed me that night, then we lynched DH.... the game would end without me having a win condition. So I had to throw myself into the Boomslang lynch, to eke out one more night during which I could get BTSC with, and win condition from, Timmer.

So that's my story. I posted "I am not a baddie" so that Boe would check it, and that turned around into me getting Boe lynched so that I could become a Civvie.

Epic game.

Was the Hatter's win condition just survival? Also, I believed his threats were empty!


I changed his message to me to try and get Mongoose some sort of cred by grouping her with Civs.

zeek wrote:Is LC gollum?

linki yea then :P

Yay!

zeek wrote:This game is defo over guys :P I've been outted by the Host!

I'm getting filled in on all this in BTSC right now. Crazy stuff, and wait till you find out how I was involved!

timmer wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

timmer wrote:This might be DH's greatest game, honestly, and if the info dumping and vouching hadn't happened, I think he'd have won.

Coming from you this chokes me up, thanks.

Your voting record pointed to either a suit or an indy, no WAY a sorcerer!

I knew that he was 100% a Sorcerer since Night 2.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Long Con wrote:Good times, man. I loved the last awesome balls-kick, it's kind of epic karma.

Kept my word to you too. I'm kind of awesome.

Uh... yeah!

Good times, man. I loved the last awesome balls-kick, it's kind of epic karma.

I'll vote zeek for you, buddy!

Indeedly-doodly.

Ooo... MP... say it ain't so!

...Gandalf?

My point exactly about The Ghost. What good would it do to resurrect, say, Dom, when he'd just get lynched? How can a host bring back a baddie and make it sporting? By making the resurrectee anonymous.

And I don't think it falls under the info-drop umbrella to say that "who is dead" was chosen because we thought it would be The Doctor. But we don't get to see if it was a nightkilled player or not.

I guess the anonymity of it makes it more up to us in either case. We just feel like we have an advantage in that the three-word-representation seemed to indicate The Doctor.

Yikes, great point about the redirect. Basically, the Sorcerer will be killing tonight. I wonder if Crowley will be sympathetic to your win condition, and try to recruit someone to help you?

Who would you LIKE to recruit tonight?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The more I think about it, though, the more that DH being the last Sorcerer explains his behavior throughout the entire game so much.

In what ways.

That's a good question!

- Your opportunistic push of Made, whether or not you actually believed he was lying, does not conflict with your baddieness if you are Sorcerer (since he wasn't).

- Perhaps most notably, your suspicion of the Llama voters, and particularly Bass, gradually fell off your radar as the Dom/Bass lynch occurred, and you gradually shifted suspicion onto Dom, who you had not mentioned at all previously. I know you're not well known for throwing teammates under the bus, so this was a genius move.

- How you knew from the beginning that S~V~S wasn't Voldemort. Makes the most sense for you to defend her as "confirmed civ" this whole time; why would a baddie cast doubt on that if they ran the risk of being wrong, especially when S~V~S had some serious heat on her for a bit?

- Your genius distancing move of Snowy; as the tension built up on him, figuring he was eventually a goner, you made sure you were one of the first five or so to really throw your gauntlet behind his lynch.

- Most notably, your push of the Boomslang lynch, where suddenly within the previous cycle or so you started hinting at FoB, subtly, to try anything you could to prolong your survival -- this is most damning coupled with the facts that timmer pointed out, that dead players retained BTSC with their teammates, and that there was a huge push to convince players that there was a Seemer role, when otherwise there was no evidence of the sort. It's the kind of hail mary move that makes so much sense for a baddie team to make at this stage of the game where victory seems unlikely.

There's more, but those are the main points.

Like I said, brilliant game. I wish you could win, honestly.

I feel like you could make a case like this about anyone in the game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:If the answer to that is No, I'm pretty sure I can win even if we lynch a recruit tomorrow.

DH is my recruit, but I'm pretty sure he's the last Sorcerer, folks.

Missed this quote. You killing tonight?

I probably have to, sadly, because of the Boomslang lynch, and losing DH tomorrow.

So kill the Ghost. Problem solved.

MovingPictures07 wrote:If the answer to that is No, I'm pretty sure I can win even if we lynch a recruit tomorrow.

DH is my recruit, but I'm pretty sure he's the last Sorcerer, folks.

Missed this quote. You killing tonight?

MovingPictures07 wrote:HOST: Does the Ghost count as a player/non-recruit for the purposes of my win condition?

MovingPictures07: Is your win in jeopardy at this point?

I'm afraid the Ghost gains power the more we talk to it.

The Ghost wrote:I guess no one needs my help or wants to ask questions.
LC voted to have me back and now wants to lynch me?
Did I mention I voted?

You came too late, Ghosty! I think this game is already under control. Are you alive? Were you The Doctor? Or maybe you're a baddie who gets to come back anonymously so that we don't instantly lynch you again?

My vote doesn't matter all that much.

If Boomslang hadn't said he trusts me, would you guys be thinking about lynching me?

DharmaHelper wrote:

zeek wrote:DH, please help me understand, so you think Boom was a Sorceror? Do you think his role was not Boe?

I thought he was a Sorcerer. I mean, there was evidence to support that. Although I was surprised to see him flip Boe.

Well, if there IS a Seemer, and he was it, then we should have only one Sorcerer left to lynch.

Oh, awesome, I'm voting for The Ghost, because it's cool!

I'm not giving up on this game. I'm just planning on sitting back and relaxing as the game settles into the final lynch, whoever that might be. I'm Zen.

Just Long Con. I'm just here for the social interaction.

I feel great about the no-death night post. Really, really great.

I also voted who is dead because I think the message there is quite clear.

What happens if we lynch Gleeok? Another resurrection?

S~V~S wrote:I can mentally visualize several people rolling their eyes whenever I post...

That never happens to my eyes when I read your posts.

timmer wrote:Svs, what do you think of dh's comment about boom having a polyjuice portion? is that possible?

...and on further thought, if Boomslang was deceiving us about his role via polyjuice or some other method, then the Seemer one would have to be the REAL Face of Boe.