The Syndicate

Glad you like them! I am very happy with the way they turned out.

I'd be happy to make some banners, I'll wait and see if Mongoose needs me to, and get some creative direction from her if necessary.

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I thought you killed Llama lol.

I did. But I thought it would be ambiguous enough that it could have been LC or something. Or someone setting me up.

I knew it I just had no way to prove it. And if I had tried to make a case on you, you would have gotten me lynched for pulling a NO U :P As I said, I really liked how aggressive you were, you gave me no wiggle room, I had no idea how to react to you. Please don't ever do it again

I can't believe I couldn't' get people to vote you. No matter how hard I tried, a good chunk of people wouldn't listen. That AMAZED me tbh.

I just couldn't decide which of you was the baddie. And now it's very clear why.

My prze:

Mongoose wrote:Congrats, you are the winner!

Please choose a prize from the following bank:

Posting curse of choice (to force on someone else)
Send a message through the host to someone
Vote 'block' (make someone's vote worth 0)

I chose Vote Block... I called it a -1 somewhere along the line there, functionally the same thing.

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I thought you killed Llama lol.

I did. But I thought it would be ambiguous enough that it could have been LC or something. Or someone setting me up.

Total setup of me. I was like, "Great."

Made wrote:I think this was the first game i've ever played as baddie that I didn't loathe myself. Also kinda salty that I got 2/3rds a baddie team and Dom pinned as mafia when I died first time around :/


Oh speaking of my death first time around: I thought I had two lynch pardons, mean I Could be lynched twice with no consequence. I was wrong

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

Turnip Head wrote:Well I lie, because that last Day, when you posted that outrageous plan, I was like... okay maybe LC is bad :P

There was no other plan to post at that point.

Turnip Head wrote:I actually never thought you were bad LC, MM can speak for himself :P I got nothing but genuine vibes from you all game.

linki: Yeah, that last day was tough, but we didn't know if you had a trick up your sleeve or something... you should have seen us scurrying around in chat going like "What's that tricksy LC up to?!"

No tricks left, I really used them up on the lynch where you saved yourself anyway,

Such despair in the end. You baddies, all watching the lone Civvie post, flipping between hopelessness and trying, and just knowing that it was not going to work out no matter what. I truly felt like the sucker I was, baddies snickering behind my back and trying to hold it back when talking in the thread.

Congratulations, guys, what an excellent game you played!

S~V~S wrote:Congrats baddies.

LOL, I called MM & Rico on Day One or Two, and became a total fail after they both made me feel bad.

Last time I cut anyone any slack for any reason. Sorry i sucked so badly LC. And Canuck that I was so sure you were bad.

You didn't suck, S~V~S... WE sucked.

And LOL that even the baddies thought I was bad until the end. I guess that's why I was never nightkilled - a lesson for all, ya gotta have some suspicion on you!

Turnip Head wrote:I really do believe you.

That will have to be enough... of course, since I think you're a baddie, it's taken with a grain of salt.

Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Made. Crossing my fingers.

I swear to you that I have not lied.

Turnip Head wrote:LC, did you use your +1 vote the other day? I'm leaning towards voting for Made but I'm worried Rico might then vote for you and force a tie.

I used my +1 on you, and my -1 on me. I am all out.

Made wrote:

Long Con wrote:Just do me a favour and remember this for future games. Remember all of this. When we find out who the baddies are, study their behaviour this game, and remember it. It would be nice to try and prevent this Civvie debacle of a game from repeating itself, we have to become better Civvies and get a few wins this year.

IF you honestly believe that you are the last civvie left, and this lynch is hopeless, then who are you talking to?

I've already made it pretty clear that I believe I'm talking to 3 baddie on two teams. I'm only wasting my breath in the hopes that it's 1 baddie, 1 different baddie, and 1 Civvie left.

And, as is pretty clear, even in that situation the Civs have slim to no chance of winning this. I'm opting for slim, because what else is there to do?

Just do me a favour and remember this for future games. Remember all of this. When we find out who the baddies are, study their behaviour this game, and remember it. It would be nice to try and prevent this Civvie debacle of a game from repeating itself, we have to become better Civvies and get a few wins this year.

Nothing left for me to say. Baddie and Civvie, or baddie and baddie, it's up to TH and Rico now.

Go ahead and vote me if you want, I'm a Civvie. I can't prove it. I just swear on the spirit of Mafia itself that I am.

Ok, fine... if you are all bad then I have nothing to lose. I'll vote Made, and you guys can team up and vote me, or any other shenanigans that you like. Someone has to make the first move here.

Ricochet wrote:You'd love to vote for Made, yet you haven't or would need two votes already on him before doing so?

I want assurance that the person I vote for will have three votes when it's done. I am relatively sure that TH will vote Made if we do. Although it would be nice to hear some confirmation.

Rico, if you're a baddie then just vote with your teammate Made. If you are actually a Civvie, and you want to lynch a baddie before the baddies win, then vote for Made. I don't know why a baddie would continue messing with me like this.

What do you mean I wouldn't vote for Made?? I have said several times that I think he's a baddie. I would love to vote for Made. I really don't know where you got that impression.

Ricochet wrote:I'm a civ, LC. I could be indeed completely wrong in how I read Made all this time since he subbed in; there wasn't really anything there to make him that sketchy to me. I can see why Made couldn't possibly be your teammate since he gunned for you for almost three Days straight, but that still doesn't pin him as anything clear. He could be a civ and you wanting either me or Made to get lynched would work in your advantage as a Bro (victim + killing TH tonight, then winning). Him being a second Hack would work the same way. That's two advantageous scenarios already, yet you just gave me a completely opposite one in which you say you are dead meat. Sounds like a bluff to me. To paraphrase your earlier demand, I would actually need assurance from you that you're not trying to pull a fast one and that I wouldn't be wasting my vote here.

linki: Fine with me, Mongoose.

I'm a Civvie. I could reference you to some things that would reassure you, but I'm not going to toe the line of role-hinting.

How about that lynch where I voted for A Person and nearly got myself killed - remember, the foolish move but it ended in a tie between me and Canuck?

If I were a baddie, that wouldn't have happened. I voted A Person because I wanted to see how it would affect the rest of the votes... I thought AP was bad, and I thought maybe I could see some baddie movements in reaction to the vote. It almost ended up getting me killed. If I were a baddie, I wouldn't do something like that to try and figure out the baddies, I would have just gone with a safe move and lynched a Civvie, but kept my own safety as a top priority. I didn't mean to stick my neck out like that, it was a bad move... but I swear to you it was a Civvie move. Now that you know Canuck was Civvie.... I could have EASILY voted for her that day - I almost did - and it would have been another lynch in the baddies' pockets. But I didn't do that. A baddie would have taken the easy Canuck vote and not tried something unorthodox like voting for a person with no votes yet.

Stop making me explain and plead my case, I swear to god you are all just snickering to yourselves and elbowing each other, only to come back and say "No, really LC... how do we know you're Civ?" I can't take any more, stop making a fool out of me. All my friends and would-be friends are surely dead, how could there be only one baddie on each team left??

Who is getting three votes on them today? Rico, if you're a Civ then it is 100% GUARANTEED that TH and Made are baddies.

It really doesn't matter anymore. Like really REALLY doesn't matter. We lynch a baddie today. Baddie kills tonight. Tomorrow, the lynch will tie. Baddie kills, baddie wins.

There's no point to any of this but to see which baddie team will win. I can't believe we were so close to a Civ victory after lynching only Civs all game (except MM). And we still couldn't do it.

I'm done. You guys decide who's getting three votes, put two on him, and I'll do the third so that there's no tie. I want to lynch a baddie today.

Ricochet wrote:Never heard of this "vote a Civ to prove that you're a Civ" angle before. And by vote a Civ I mean that the only surprise I could still get right now from Made would be that he played me into believing him to be the least likely suspect of all. Something doesn't feel right to me about doing this.

What is your current vision of who's who anyway, LC?

LOL Rico. TH is a Hack, and you and Made are Brotherhood. I'm the only Civ left, and there's no point in pretending anymore, for any of you.

You got a better idea?

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:If we tie this lynch, then it will lynch nobody.

Does anyone have any extra votes left?

Rico and Made are going to vote together for either you or me TH.

What do we do? I don't have my extra vote anymore, I used it yesterday in case Canuck used hers on me.

I don't know. Rico and Made could really go a long way toward proving their Civvieness by voting for each other. At least, whichever one is a Civvie should do that.

If we tie this lynch, then it will lynch nobody.

Does anyone have any extra votes left?

Rico and Made are going to vote together for either you or me TH.

I'm so sorry, Canuck. I missed the lynch. Sorry everybody. I was working, and I voted in the other game quickly in a bathroom, but I forgot to come over here and vote.

Yeah, I kinda do a little.

Well, none of the other players have come back yet. We have all day though, so I'm still waiting and watching.

TH, I was hoping that Vompatti had voted for someone else. If that had been the case, then I would have looked at the one he voted, but the killing of a TH voter just leads back to TH.

I'm still going to see how the non-TH camp is feeling today, we haven't heard from any of them yet.

I am not sure where my vote is going. I guess there's no reason why I shouldn't vote the same again. Who did Vomps vote for last time?

Well, thank you... you probably saved my life.

TH, did we tie? I can't believe it. Holy damn, this game is crazy. Maybe next time around, we'll vote together. :lol:

Now I just want to lynch the people who orchestrated the LC bandwagon. Maybe they'll just nightkill me tonight for saying that. Who knows? At least a bunch of extra votes have been used up.

Turnip Head wrote:It's definitely a Turnip Head-saving bandwagon, just like the other one is a Turnip Head-destructo-wagon. Only one of them can be right. Maybe there's baddies in both. I wish you had been on my side here, for one because if neither of us is bad then it's a shame that it's come to this, but also because you're the one out of the Dom/Canuck/LC trifecta that I suspect the least. But I don't feel I ever got the benefit of the doubt from you LC, and that's what concerns me the most and has me thinking you might not be on the level. I never got the feeling you were trying to work with me this game. You, Dom and Canuck have been at my throat ever since I subbed in. My back is against the wall here.

I don't think I have been at your throat. I'm just not driving this bandwagon. I've put my opinion on the line quite a few times this game, and I have been wrong pretty much every time. I don't know who the baddies are, I really have no idea. This is Dom behind the driver's seat. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, just like I'm sorry to the other 5 or 6 or 7 Civvies I have helped to lynch. I'm sorry that I'm not very good at this one.

That's if you're Civ. I feel like you already are a Hack from your own recent comments. I hate to disappoint you, and I don't want you you to think I have something against you.

Ok, thread, just hold up here. I mean, I love attention, but this is a Turnip Head-saving bandwagon attempt on me. If you don't think I'm Civvie by now, then you haven't been paying attention. I would love for some extra votes to go on Turnip Head if y'all don't mind.

Made wrote:

Dom wrote:Considering I voted Canuck a few days ago and it almost resulted in her dying... what the hell?

Because you voted with her two days in a row after the fact.

Unless they were doing some schemey thing where they pretend to not remember what happens in a tied lynch... I'm pretty sure Dom isn't on a baddie team with Canuck.

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Ricochet wrote:You can even NK me, with the level of clean-up you're doing so far.

That's fair. Maybe you're all right, Rico!

I think the baddies should come out and buy his vote.

Just kidding, that was my ninth post. I'll correct it here, cool as ice.

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Ricochet wrote:Would the baddies like to purchase my vote today?

Nice, we have a volunteer for the next lynch! Thanks, Rico, we can have a nice short day.

10!

And it's silly to say that there's been no discussion about you. The discussion has literally been going on for days. And, well, we need less and less "evidence" to lynch a person as numbers dwindle, and the use of evidence proves time and time again to be not working out.

7 maybe?

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That's not how it is, TH. It's hard to judge whether you're a Civvie who feels that way, or a lone Hack. The way your last post reads... it feels a bit Hackish. My main point is, I'm really, truly, not a Brotherhood member. I think, were I a baddie, I wouldn't be saying this now. I have already said it, and I could just say nothing and the point would still be out there. But the reality is that I'm a Civvie, and this is not a Brotherhood ploy. It's becoming more and more likely that Dom and/or Canuck are Brotherhood members as the Civvie numbers dwindle, but I'm just a longtime Chump of this game. I think the longest-lived Civvie in a game like this must be the crappiest one, and that may just be me.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:Unloess the baddies have done some excellent killing of each other, we're getting to the point where the game will just end if TH is Civ.

Worst reasoning ever tbqh

Reasoning? That wasn't reasoning, it was dejected pondering.

And I'm not in the Brotherhood. Wait, that means you're on the other baddie team, TH? Sweet.

Mongoose wrote:

Dom wrote:*vote TH*

If everyone votes early, I'll end the day early.

*votes TH* It's the best possibility I can see. Unloess the baddies have done some excellent killing of each other, we're getting to the point where the game will just end if TH is Civ. The game could even end if TH is bad, and the last baddie on his team. I just hope there's been enough baddies killing baddies to balance out the Civvie slaughter that happens here daily.

TH has it right... I'd just like to see Mongoose say it a little more clearly, that's all.

Canuck

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Canucklehead wrote:

Mongoose wrote:@ TurnipHead - Target the subsequent night.

I don't understand that sentence.

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Wow, my linkitis is just not working at all today.

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Turnip Head wrote:What do you think of my case on Canucklehead, LC?

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I like it very much. I had forgotten about that early stuff happening. Very good digging, TH 2.0!

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Hey, thread, no death. I also thought it might be a non-participator trick, but there's not really a likely person to point to for that.

Maybe there's a Civvie roleblocker out there who now knows a baddie?

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rabbit8 wrote:I could totally kick all your asses at this game.................

Who is this? Everyone knows rabbit8 died.

I haven't seen any of the movies in the poll... I would definitely vote for One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest in any poll it showed up in though.

Ricochet wrote:And the part about BR?

Would you have pursued something different if you would have held on to your vote, but AP would have still voted for you and tied you with Canuck?

BR is my wife, and she saw what I did and called me a Mafia noob.

Yes, I would have voted for Canuck, or for the not-me person she voted for to put to 2 votes , whichever I thought was more likely to be bad.

Ricochet wrote:I'll try to think over Lang's message, re-read extensively D9's votes and such. I think there were two important moments in that lynch. In reverse chronological order:

But for now, I would like ask LC if he could clarify two posts he made on that Day

Long Con wrote:Canuck, if you're not a baddie, then perhaps a vote for A Person and some faith would be in order here. I promise you, I am a Civ. I think I was foolish with my vote.

Long Con wrote:I can't believe I made such a silly mistake. BR is laughing at me right now.

What did you mean by "being foolish with your vote", then "making such a silly mistake", in the context of the voting back then?

I voted for A Person when Canuck had 2 votes and I had 1... and A Person still had to vote. I should have predicted that AP would counter-vote for me, tying me for the lead with Canuck... which would then be likely to force Canuck to vote me to save herself. A wiser move would have been to hold on to my vote until I was sure I wouldn't need it to save myself.

Mongoose wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I edited the thread title on behalf of our busy hostess.

Thank you, uber-mod!

And now a word from Lang.

In any democratic vote a tie is mathematically the least likely and therefore often a very much deliberate outcome. As such it always makes us wonder who would benefit the most from such a non-result.

Ok, so Lang is still out there, and Canuck and I (who were tied) are not Lang. Who would benefit from a tie? That is a question indeed. I really feel like no one specifically recalled during that somewhat frantic lynch that Mongoose lets both players live in the case of a lynch tie.

But let's say that everyone remembered, and said nothing for their own purposes. When Canuck and I were tied at 2, I was trying to convince Canuck to vote for AP with the hope that a 1-in-3 chance of dying (lynch tied 2-2-2) would be the most ideal. If I did indeed secretly remember that a tie means no death, then I could have just reasoned with Canuck to vote off and let the tie stand, ensuring both our survivals.

Canuck held off her vote because Made hadn't voted yet. It seemed like she was genuinely unsure about the right way to make the lynch good. If she were a baddie, then she could have easily just voted me and said it was what she had to do, and been safe. If she had voted me before Made had voted her... well she would have been safe either way had she remembered the tied-lynch outcome.

So, a deliberate outcome. Who made it be a tie? I contributed, I guess, by putting my vote on A Person too early, and opening myself up a risky situation.

Made is really the one who FORCED it to be a tie by voting Canuck. That forced her to vote for me. But if Made is a baddie, then why would he want to force a tie? His main interest would be to get a Civvie or other baddie lynched. Forcing a tie does the opposite of that. If Canuck were his teammate, then he could have just voted for me, or voted off, and had a fine result. A tie is not the result a baddie wanted.

I dunno, just spitballin'. Feel free to jump in if any of this sparks any ideas.