The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote:Dang, from the way LC built his case on me I figured it might have been him.

I was pretty awesome. I have to learn to tone down my keen Detective senses so I don't get NKed out of abject fear.

Mere minutes left. Are there more votes to come in?

Llama, you asked who I was looking at today. In my last post, I said I was suspicious of both you and DH. I thought that would answer your question sufficiently, even though I didn't say "Llama, to answer your question..." And your Civ read of me doesn't change my read of you, because it's something you would say as a baddie. Right?

DH, the suspicion of you is simple, you can cross-examine every post I made about it to try and find discrepancies to discredit it, but it's all about this: You said you had a baddie-catching plan, and I think that's a suspicious thing to say. It displays a nonchalance about the nightkill that I attribute to you being in control of the nightkill. Feel free to underline any sections you like, it's not going to change the simple suspicion that I'm pretty sure everyone fully understands.

Also, nice No U.

Things could get busy for me in the next little while, so I'm going to vote for DH. I predict a TH lynch, given the climate of the thread right now, and the numerous people who suspect him may just be right. I feel better about a TH lynch than I did about the Rico lynch. But best about a DH lynch.

*votes DH*

DharmaHelper wrote:As for your comments about me, I’ll forgive your obvious oversight, because you are historically bad at catching mafia compared to me*...

I couldn't find where this asterisk was leading. Perhaps you'd like to clarify.

You backed off pretty quick, very understanding of you. Maybe it's an attempt to placate me, stop me from coming after you.

Interesting plan, but I don't suspect you for lack of plan. You could have thought of that plan after I accused you, I have no way of knowing. My original judgment - that you were just trying to seed cred for yourself by mentioning a plan - still stands. And you're my most likely vote today. I know that kind of stubbornness must be frustrating, but I'd just rather be stubborn and wrong, than to back down when I was right. I'm sure you understand.

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Long Con wrote:This Day 1 is probably going to end up with Rico lynched for being anti-helpful; I don't think it is a wise strategy to use in this game. Assuming he wants to live, I would say the strategy is to say nothing that could be construed as specifically suspicious, and hope that people will jump on someone else's post that contains content they don't like.

Called it. It was pretty predictable. And now TH and ika are being short-post anti-helpful in the same way. Obviously they are aware of what just transpired with Rico, so what is their line of thinking?

As Civvies, does this style of play get them closer to a win? The thread is already rife with anti-fluff sentiment; wasting posts is not highly regarded. What reasons would a Civvie have to go ahead with that style anyway?

As baddies, the same logic applies. The strategy could be that we regret judging Rico for his style and we leave them alone, the way paved by Rico's sacrifice. I'm just not reading that direction in the thread right now. It just doesn't make sense to me either way I look at it.
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Llama's buddy-maneuver seems to be the next phase in a series of attempts to saturate my read of him by always making it personal - as in he's either vocally supportive of me, or vocally accusatory. It does make it hard to read him, and when that happens, I tend to decide he's bad. He's a baddie trying to buddy up. What else am I supposed to think? That he's the Detective, and checked me Night 1? I feel somewhat sure that he would play a Detective role a little less audaciously. So some suspicion of Llama on my part.

DharmaHelper wrote:@LC - Firstly, I was put off by the rudeness of your post here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 40#p145811

Having known you for some time I can get your sarcasm/jokes/ribbing, but Missing Person and some of these other players are playing with you for the first time, I expect? Maybe I’m reading too deeply into it, but you really fired back at Missing Person there, and I’m not sure it was called for.

First of all, I'm currently playing 90's Kids Mafia on Jesus Toast Mafia, hosted by Missing Person himself. He is a very involved host, and I now currently reside in the Dead Players' Area, where Missing Person is a high poster. I was and am pretty sure that MP could handle a little barb, and, well, I thought he handled it quite well:

Missing Person wrote:Oh snap, my first putdown on this site. I'm actually pretty aroused by this.

I LOL'ed.

And anyways, it wasn't even an insult. It was simply an analysis of the situation. Missing Person read my post and believed I had said that I was voting for DH for being too helpful. There are two reasons I can think of for that to happen: a) he read my post and didn't comprehend what I had said (aka a "reading comprehension issue"), or b) he understood what I meant just fine, and was trying to twist my words to make it look like I was flip-flopping. If he wants to let me know that it was Option B then I'll take back what I said, but I doubt he would admit to doing that. So... Option A, no insult, just an analysis of the situation. You're being too sensitive, DH. If it's rude to say that, then I claim an equal level of offence at being called a "flip-flopper". I do not respect flip-flopping, and it upsets me slightly to be accused of such a thing, especially when it's not even true.

And furthermore, I smiled when I said it. Like that. It's like a signal that says "This is friendly". If I was trying to be a dick, I would have used maybe.

As for your comments about me, I’ll forgive your obvious oversight, because you are historically bad at catching mafia compared to me*, but if I *TOLD* the mafia what I was looking for in order to catch them, they wouldn’t fucking do it would they, big guy? Am I worried about being NKed? No more so than I would be in any other game. I’m NKed more than lynched by a wide margin. I’m not going to let fear of being NKed affect my strategy though, and you should know that.

First of all, don't tell me what I "should know". It just makes me more suspicious of you. You don't know how I read you, how I analyze you, and how I remember your post play in games. You know how YOU do these things, but the things I know, remember, and analyze are not going to be the same as you. And I didn't accuse you having a fear of being nightkilled, I accused you of saying something that could make you a target to the Mafia without saying much else.

So you have a plan. Something up your sleeve. "A few ideas and strategies in order to try and catch mafia".

DharmaHelper wrote:An interesting game conceptually and one that will play counter to my usual strengths. I think that early-game will be particularly difficult, given that there will be very little evidence to go on (even less than a usual early-game.) I have a few ideas and strategies in order to try and catch mafia, so we'll see how that plays out. For now, I'll be carefully watching to see who is posting the least valuable information and go from there.

Your last sentence is almost ironic, given that this entire post really says nothing valuable.

So, what is it about Omertà Mafia that gave you not only one, but *a few* new strategies to try and catch Mafia? It's a pretty basic game, with the one big difference... talking about 4 posts per page, of course. So, I'm really interested how this setup has given you this number of ideas.

I'll lay it out because talk ain't cheap here. You are being dishonest about the ideas you say you have. It's a Mafia ploy. And that's terrible.

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Missing Person wrote:

Long Con wrote: but this one looks like a much more intentional misread of what I said. It's pretty clear that I think DH is bullshitting for some time or cred by saying he has some "ideas on how to catch Mafia" in this game, without actually saying any more. If that were true, then the Mafia would be smart to kill him before he gives his big ideas... so that would make it not smart of him to tell everyone that he's got those big ideas. But he did. He did because he's not afraid of being nightkilled. And there's only 3 players in the game that don't have to fear a nightkill.

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Long Con wrote:... and this site does have Multiquote capabilities. When Replying, simply click "Quote" from the Topic Review below, and that post will slam on up into your reply within Quote tags. Not the most ideal multiquote, but it's better than nothing.

+A Double Insightful!

Missing Person, could you explain what +Insightful means? I'm not familiar with that.

I take it that it was accusatory. Is it shorthand that is meant to identify when Mafia add insight to the thread to try and seem Civ?

Long Con wrote:WTF is "Mafia in-thread communications"? Are you assuming the Mafia doesn't have BTSC, Missing Person? I've never seen that accusation before.

Mafia hiding out in the open, essentially. It's been done before as the "So obvious it's too obvious" play.

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Indeed, a time-honoured tradition for the bold and evil. I'm not doing that though; I am a Civilian.

I understand the disparity between our two views now, Missing Person. You have reading comprehension issues. I'm sorry, I didn't realize. I'll explain what I said before, and I'll use a minimum of subtext and tongue-in-cheek phraseology.

I did not commend Golden as towny for being helpful. I said "How do you lynch someone who is being so goshdarned helpful? That Golden sure knows how to pack everything but the cheese omelette into his post." What you are supposed to be able to read in that is a level of slight sarcasm and loosely-veiled accusatory tone. I thought the 'goshdarned' would be a giveaway, slightly patronizing.

I certainly did not condemn DH for being "too helpful". I can forgive the misread of my Golden part because I understand that some people don't get subtlety, but this one looks like a much more intentional misread of what I said. It's pretty clear that I think DH is bullshitting for some time or cred by saying he has some "ideas on how to catch Mafia" in this game, without actually saying any more. If that were true, then the Mafia would be smart to kill him before he gives his big ideas... so that would make it not smart of him to tell everyone that he's got those big ideas. But he did. He did because he's not afraid of being nightkilled. And there's only 3 players in the game that don't have to fear a nightkill.

WTF is "Mafia in-thread communications"? Are you assuming the Mafia doesn't have BTSC, Missing Person? I've never seen that accusation before.

... and this site does have Multiquote capabilities. When Replying, simply click "Quote" from the Topic Review below, and that post will slam on up into your reply within Quote tags. Not the most ideal multiquote, but it's better than nothing.

Roxy, what's up with YOUR answer to Llama? Your monosyllabic response has a "walking on eggshells" feel. Get that scary question out of the way and hope you did it right so that Llama doesn't choose you was the baddie that answered him with a lie!

Llama, if that's your conclusion then I'm not going to put any stock into your "Are you bad?" question anymore. Not due to saltiness, but because you don't actually know how to analyze responses properly.

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ika wrote:if you must know i think that longcon is the neutral.

Longcon are you neutral?

I am neutral with regard to answering that question in a game role manner. I neither confirm nor deny my neutrality.

Missing Person wrote:This:

Long Con wrote:How do you lynch someone who is being so goshdarned helpful? That Golden sure knows how to pack everything but the cheese omelette into his post. This Day 1 is probably going to end up with Rico lynched for being anti-helpful; I don't think it is a wise strategy to use in this game. Assuming he wants to live, I would say the strategy is to say nothing that could be construed as specifically suspicious, and hope that people will jump on someone else's post that contains content they don't like.

Followed by this:

Long Con wrote:Very little evidence indeed. So, you've got some big ideas of how to catch Mafia, eh? But wait, what if the baddies kill you for saying that? Aren't you - - worried about that?

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Long Con wrote:I think it's a bad idea. I think that puts you only just above Rico in the eyes of the rest of the players. We want info, and we want input. I doubt you want to be seen as someone opposed to those goals.

Is making me waffle on LC right now. More flip flopping than Mitt Romney in this post.

Might be inclined to vote ika or LC this phase. If LC flipped scum, I'd be most happy to lynch ika for max spewage.

There's no flip-flopping in my post. I don't understand what you think you're seeing. I just wanted to get a lot of my current thoughts into one post due to the posting restriction. Sorry if you don't feel that the thoughts are all aligned, but they're not. It's just my different thoughts on different people.

Perhaps Ika is simply a male role that feels threatened by who he perceives to be the Indy role.

Missing Person has the right idea, my fingersplints thread-vote was pure saltiness because she rolechecked me and then murdered me in the Jesus Toast game we were both in. Fortunately, she overplayed her hand at that point and my Mafia cohorts dismembered her painfully. Her countervote on me comes as no surprise.

How do you lynch someone who is being so goshdarned helpful? That Golden sure knows how to pack everything but the cheese omelette into his post. This Day 1 is probably going to end up with Rico lynched for being anti-helpful; I don't think it is a wise strategy to use in this game. Assuming he wants to live, I would say the strategy is to say nothing that could be construed as specifically suspicious, and hope that people will jump on someone else's post that contains content they don't like.

DharmaHelper wrote:An interesting game conceptually and one that will play counter to my usual strengths. I think that early-game will be particularly difficult, given that there will be very little evidence to go on (even less than a usual early-game.) I have a few ideas and strategies in order to try and catch mafia, so we'll see how that plays out. For now, I'll be carefully watching to see who is posting the least valuable information and go from there.

Very little evidence indeed. So, you've got some big ideas of how to catch Mafia, eh? But wait, what if the baddies kill you for saying that? Aren't you - - worried about that?

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ika wrote:Is it a bad idea that i jsut want to make post like these and not give any imput?

I think it's a bad idea. I think that puts you only just above Rico in the eyes of the rest of the players. We want info, and we want input. I doubt you want to be seen as someone opposed to those goals.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Four is not a limit persay.

I agree with this sentiment, except for the bastardized "per se". It seems as though Epig disagrees, but he just owns the playground - we're the ones playing in it. If I need to make a fifth or sixth post, I will do it... and I will do it with the adrenalin rush of pushing things to the limit, and risking it all for my goals.

thellama73 wrote:Same question to every player: are you bad?

Oh yeah, I forgot to answer this before. I'm not bad... not bad at all, really. I'm rather decent. I hope that this exact timing and this exact tone isn't what sets you off on me as the baddie you're looking for.

Are we allowed to hint at whether we are male or female roles?

Perhaps we could make votes changeable ourselves, by bolding a vote in the thread. This bold vote represents what our eventual vote will end up being. Like this:

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