The Syndicate

Wilgy, what did you do with your Narrator powers? Did you ever use the vote-altering side? I assume not.

Yay! Yes, killing me would have helped a lot, baddies. I was just waiting to see if a kill didn't happen some night so I could go after someone with that in mind. I'd probably have been ripe for a foolin' if the baddies had decided to skip a kill.

On Night 1 I blocked Epignosis, and the kill still went through, so that gave him some cred. And even if he, as Inspector Fenwick, searched bwt as Dudley Do-Right... he wouldn't have gotten the BTSC. I doubt he searched bwt though.

On Night 2, I blocked Scotty. That night, Boris killed, and Natasha tried to seduce me. So Scotty was extra cool in my books, and I was also Scrooched that night by Sloonei and MP, which was sort of cool since they then knew I wasn't Boris, and I couldn't vote or post or use my night power on night 3.

Night 4, I blocked Wilgy because I was sure he was bad when I misunderstood when he claimed to be seduced. And actually, it's funny that bea pretended to be seduced that night, because my crazy logic figured that if Wilgy HAD to be bad (because of him lying), then he had to be Natasha (because a kill went through on Night 4), which would mean that bea was lying about getting seduced, and was Boris.

So I blocked bea Night 5, and though a kill went through (this was around the time I started to realize my basic premise about Wilgy was wrong), no one claimed to be seduced. That's what led me to block bea's kil on the last night.

I blocked sprityo on night 6, and there was no kill! I was like ! At this time I was playing Turf Wars as well, and co-hosting Arkham Mafia with Epi... so there were a bunch of PMs in my Inbox that I hadn't gotten around to looking at - ones which I knew Epi was getting as well. A PM from Llama got lost in the shuffle there, one which informed me that the Narrator had switched my target from sprityo to zebra that night!

I saw it right after my "I have to take a hard stance on this" post. I made that post because I knew I couldn't block Boris again and I didn't want to get killed. Good thing Wilgy knew what he had done, and pushed me the right way. I don't know how Elohcin went along with it so well.

So we lynched Boris, and then I blocked Natasha again and we lynched her. I let sprityo bring up bea as the final lynch candidate on the last day though, and went along with him, instead of bursting into the thread with my supercool roleblocker info.

Only the living won this one! So congrats, fellow survivors!

sprityo, did my musings on being Snidely ring true?

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

sprityo wrote:Well my theory seems pretty foolproof then, bea is just not here, so she didn't Natasha blooper, and no one else is. So it has to be bea.

We'll be in your debt if this cracks the game open. Sorry for all those earlier misguided attacks on you.

Yes, but if its not bea, then we owe Sprit a lynch

We'll still have time to do that, with the two recent missed/failed kills!

bea wrote:You guys really. I'm not bad. Or sexy. Or russian. I'm still busy over worked bea. 18 hours yeaterday. 4 hours sleep and a meeting this morning. One of 2 days I get to do this this week.

I wish I could say that I had the day to tell you all how wrong a vote for me is, but I dont. I just dont.

It has to be sprit.

Sorry bea. We'll be as humane as possible.

sprityo wrote:Well my theory seems pretty foolproof then, bea is just not here, so she didn't Natasha blooper, and no one else is. So it has to be bea.

We'll be in your debt if this cracks the game open. Sorry for all those earlier misguided attacks on you.

sprityo wrote:Well my theory seems pretty foolproof then, bea is just not here, so she didn't Natasha blooper, and no one else is. So it has to be bea.

I agree. bea

sprityo wrote:Unless someone WANTS me to think that. Naw, no one is that conniving

This game has taught me some strategies to use as a baddie in the future... in the right kind of game. I plan to be that conniving, but I think the cigar here is just a cigar. And bea is that cigar.

thellama73 wrote:Let's get those PMs in, folks.

If all the PMs come in, will we have an early night post?

sprityo wrote:LC, do you believe the Indy to still be alive?

Maybe. I don't think it matters, I believe that Snidely would be trying to find the last baddie and end the game as much as any Civ. He has to survive, and the longer we don't lynch Natasha and end the game, the less likely it is that he'll survive and win. Half his Win Condition was achieved when Sorsha bit the dust, so I'm happy for him in that regard - especially if dead players can win if their team wins, because then Nell AND Snidely can win together! I don't remember if dead players can win in this game.

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Now, Bea was forced to vote SVS at one point, or so she says. Do you think this is true, LC or do you think that she is capable of voting SVS as a baddie and only saying she was forced?

I think that it is a smart tactical move for the baddies to fake being Natasha'd, and that it would be an unreasonable insult to bea to say that she is not capable of such a ploy. So yeah, she is suspect for it.

I'm not trying to insult bea. She is just very loyal to SVS all the time. I guess I was asking, do you think she would do that to SVS even if bad. From my experience, I would imagine she'd avoid lynching/killing SVS unless she HAD to.

Ohhhh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, she might have some sympathy toward S~V~S as her friend, and not push her lynch. Then again, she might do it intentionally to make us think that - it's not like they're married or anything. (Whereas BR might kill me if I forced a vote that ended up with her lynched)

Zebra posted during that phase, thus was not Scrooched. Trust me, the Scrooching is used up.

sprityo wrote:Well I'm assuming moose can't roleblock a kill right. And you said you were Scrooges earlier in the game so that couldn't have happened. Both players with a survive ability are dead and squirrel is dead.

Why would you assume that? Every roleblocker I have ever seen can roleblock the kill when they target the killer. It's, like, the main goal of such a role in any game that includes it.

sprityo wrote:i want to hear from blooper if they were Natasha'd. And if not, i think it'd be safe to assume the Bea is the other baddie since it would mean both she and zebra didn't put in a night action. Either that or you can't make actions for AFK teammates?

Someone who's been Mafia before, tell me if you're able to make night actions for your partner if they're afk?

That's up to the Host. I find most Hosts allow it. I allow it when I'm a Host - it's very reasonable considering that we have players from all different time zones, with work schedules and such.

No death doesn't necessarily mean a missed PM. There's protectors, roleblockers, trying to kill an unkillable role, and probably a bunch of other possibilities.

Elohcin wrote:Now, Bea was forced to vote SVS at one point, or so she says. Do you think this is true, LC or do you think that she is capable of voting SVS as a baddie and only saying she was forced?

I think that it is a smart tactical move for the baddies to fake being Natasha'd, and that it would be an unreasonable insult to bea to say that she is not capable of such a ploy. So yeah, she is suspect for it.

bea or sprityo. I don't think it's Wilgy or you at this point, Eloh.

You had Nijuu as your top Civ read, why?

Nijuu, how about a rainbow list?

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

sprityo wrote:LC i feel if it's anyone, its blooper

I agree, especially with her being Elohcin's top Civ read. I'd love to hear Elohcin and Blooper's opinions on it.

You all think Blooper is the last baddie you mean?

No, we think that Blooper was Natasha'd.

Do you think she was Natasha'd? Do you think she is the last baddie?

sprityo wrote:LC i feel if it's anyone, its blooper

I agree, especially with her being Elohcin's top Civ read. I'd love to hear Elohcin and Blooper's opinions on it.

sprityo, you look particularly bad with this lynch result.

Anyone want to claim being seduced by Natasha?

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:Now that you mention it, no, I'm really not very comfortable with lynching zebra today and then sprityo tomorrow.

Look guys, I'm an easy going guy, and I don't like to be pushy or step on anyone's toes. Maybe it's a Canadian thing. But right now, I really need to take a hard stance here and ask you to please consider lynching sprityo today, and then zebra tomorrow. My gut feelings are completely churning about this, and I'm getting really worried that I'm not going to be able to convince you.

Sorry LC, I don't think you are mafia anymore. I'm reading you as genuine, but Zebra is the right way to go. There's a bigger picture here and we gotta get to the good end game.

No matasha claims from yesterday huh? Still?

Oh well...
I guess narrator just died night 1 since no one is stating that there was a vote swayed that way.

RIP Narrator. And you are right that Zebra is the way to go. Sorry about the sudden clumsy about-face... we will laugh about it when the game is done.

Ha ha ha ha ha ok no I will vote zebra. Don't even ask.

Now that you mention it, no, I'm really not very comfortable with lynching zebra today and then sprityo tomorrow.

Look guys, I'm an easy going guy, and I don't like to be pushy or step on anyone's toes. Maybe it's a Canadian thing. But right now, I really need to take a hard stance here and ask you to please consider lynching sprityo today, and then zebra tomorrow. My gut feelings are completely churning about this, and I'm getting really worried that I'm not going to be able to convince you.

Elohcin wrote:Okay Wilgy. I'm with you. I am at that point in the game (I always eventually get there) where I just have no clue who could be the remaining baddies. I know two of us remaining are not, but between the other five, I just don't know. And I'm getting worried as we get fewer and fewer people.

Oh and I always view view LC as the creepy guy in the van with candy. And I have made the mistake of trusting him before and lost. He is a convincing fellow.

Are you saying Wilgy and yourself are the two you know are not bad? I couldn't tell if you were implying that, or if you had another player in mind that you are 100% sure is Civ.

DrWilgy wrote:LC, I need to know. Are you 100% sure of Sprityo?

I'm a lot more sure of him than I am of zebra. Nothing is ever 100%, even your assuredness that I am Civ due to your being Natasha'd that night.

Looking through sprityo's posts, the main thing I noticed is that he makes pretty much no cases on anyone, and never has a strong suspicion. Have a read of his posts, and see if you can find one.

When the Scotty-lynching time comes around:

sprityo wrote:I'm just gonna have to vote Scotty it seems since I've got nothing on Wilgy or Eloh

...not because he suspects Scotty of anything, but Scotty was starting to take some suspicion from others. After Scotty flips unlynched:

sprityo wrote:what did i miss? scotty is nell?

He tries to get the desired belief out there right away.

I'm very confident that sprityo is bad. If I'm bad and I have one other teammate, I don't think now is the time to put myself out there to lynch a Civ. I'm not tricking anyone, Eloh, I'm getting this game won for the Civs.

I'm voting sprityo now. I need to get myself updated and finish what I started today in the Battle of the Hosts game, but I'll come back and give you my reasons in a more organized fashion tomorrow. Wilgy, as the one person I'm quite sure isn't bad, I hope that I will be able to get your support on the sprityo lynch.

And just in case people are actually thinking of following sprityo and deciding that I'm bad, I thought I'd just point out that I was Scrooched on Day/Night 3, which means that I was unable to use any night powers that phase.

Boris killed on Night 3, and Natasha seduced Wilgy on Night 3.

So.... unless Wilgy is Boris, and I'm Natasha, and Wilgy was faking being Natasha'd in order to cover for me, then I am literally a Confirmed Civ. I am not lying, and I am not trying to trick anyone. Wilgy is the only one that KNOWS this is undeniably true... for the rest of you Civs, decide whether Wilgy and I are baddie teammates, or that you can trust me without any doubt.

If anyone wants to poke holes in that logic, then I'm all ears. It's time to enter the endgame for a Civ win, so I hope you are ready to focus and lynch the right people.

Elohcin wrote:I think that's where this is going to head.

LOL, oh you think that, do you?

The Wilgy/LC both-being-Natasha'd-the-same-Day thing was a mistake. Due to Wilgy's use of the word "yesterday" on Night 4 to describe being Natasha'd on Day 4 (should have said "today"), I thought he was claiming it for Day 3, the Day I was Natasha'd. It was a complete bust, and Wilgy is no longer my main suspect at all.

Zebra, sprityo, bea, Eloh... all possible baddies. If Eloh is bad, then I will never trust Epignosis' opinion on her alignment again,and I will bring this game up every time he tries to put some automatic read on her out there. Hopefully, he's as in tune with her as he thinks he is, and that won't have to happen.

Anyone get Natasha'd that time? I'll be quite interested in your answer.

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:I think sprityo looks pretty bad in this lynch.

Why?

The waffling on Ninjablooper or Sorsha, and then escaping to an Elohcin vote to let others lynch Sorsha.

I think sprityo looks pretty bad in this lynch.

sprityo wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Oh my goodness, finally I'm so glad we caught a baddie. I didn't think it would take this long. And Scotty...I was right about you. Haha, I guess I do know your baddie game after being bad with you. And you are now dead so you can't say a word about it :P.

honestly i agree with zebra from this, the entire post by elo irks me the wrong way. so i mean if you were to vote anyone it should be one of sorsha or eloh, in my opinion. Im not terribly concerned with the scotty/wilgy thing.

The only thing that really stands out among if i wanted to vote for either sorsha or eloh at this point is that eloh is voting for sorsha, and sorsha is in retaliation of blooper. who isnt wrong in their logic. so ill have to stick with sorsha :/

linki: i changed it after the fact

So, I vote Blooper, and now you don't want to.

sprityo wrote:just due to i dont see anything terribly wrong with sorsha (yet) im gonna vote blooper

more to come maybe later...ha

I just voted Blooper... you have not yet.

Scotty
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Sloonei (5), S~V~S (6), a2thezebra (7), bea (8), Elohcin (9), Matt (12), nijuukyugou (14) 47%

Ok, my statement earlier about Ninjablooper was based on a mistake regarding her place in Scotty's (second) lynch. She got on the Scotty lynch train after he was already a goner.

I'm going with the Blooper vote for now instead of the Sorsha vote.

I just voted for Sorsha.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Long Con's claim is thr first and only thing to give me pause so far on this Scotty wagon, but all the votes are locked into place anyway. Apparently the Battle of the Hosts has sucked me in completely and I don't know how to balance playing in two games at once as well. I promise to say more things later.

It gave me pause, too, but I'm wondering why he took so long (hehe) to reveal this information - why didn't he say it earlier yesterday when there were more people around (or would have eventually come to read it) to discuss it? He had posts earlier in the day, too. Strange timing.

I've caught up, and I'm voting Scotty, because it's the simplest route, logically - his survival most likely points to his being Nell or Fearless Leader, and it's a win-win voting again (except that it would "waste" a lynch if Nell, but not really waste since we'd get info, or it wouldn't win if Epi happened to be Dudley). Yes I know that's all been said, but that's the bane of my coming in so late in the Day when so much has been discussed.

Ninjablooper looks like she's very likely a Civ from this, so I wouldn't vote for her.

Long Con wrote:@bea: Yes, yesterday was the last lynch, and it is the one I'm talking about. The lynch that Wilgy and I are both claiming to have been seduced by Natasha is the lynch before that. I'm interested in finding out who was seduced into voting someone during the last lynch.

Just quoting this to show exactly where my mind was, and that I clearly thought you were claiming Day 3 seduction. Wilgy, why didn't you correct me immediately??

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not voting for DrWilgy or S~V~S today.

A baddie would know that both of these players are Civ. Zebra could be buddying here. Then she votes for Elohcin, who a (Civ) Epi was adamant was Civ.

Zebra, Sorsha, sprityo. Those are now my main suspicions.

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote: However, your claim that the Natasha PM contained no message of instruction from Natasha is still extremely suspicious, because it did for me.

Please refrain from discussing the specific content of host PMs.

I thought that was as unspecific as I could get, but no problemo.

Sloonei wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did I miss the reason why you are so confident Long Con is bad?

He lied about Natasha

how do you know? has natasha seduced you too?

DrWilgy wrote:Yeah, yesterday and yesterday only.

Wilgy, this is where it looks like you are claiming to be seduced by Natasha. You said I lied about Natasha, and then said you were seduced "yesterday". This was on Night 4. To me, saying you were seduced "today" means Day 4... when it is Night 4. And "yesterday" is referring to Day 3.

Then why did you quote this with "
You are not going to win this "who is lying?" debate, friend. Especially when someone comes forward and tells us that Natasha forced their vote in the last lynch. " Suggesting you were waiting for a counter claim?

I was... but the whole genesis of that theory was based on you claiming to be Natasha'd the same night I was.

I'm sheepishly going to have to say that Wilgy is not currently a suspect of mine.

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote: However, your claim that the Natasha PM contained no message of instruction from Natasha is still extremely suspicious, because it did for me.

Please refrain from discussing the specific content of host PMs.

I thought that was as unspecific as I could get, but no problemo.

Sloonei wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did I miss the reason why you are so confident Long Con is bad?

He lied about Natasha

how do you know? has natasha seduced you too?

DrWilgy wrote:Yeah, yesterday and yesterday only.

Wilgy, this is where it looks like you are claiming to be seduced by Natasha. You said I lied about Natasha, and then said you were seduced "yesterday". This was on Night 4. To me, saying you were seduced "today" means Day 4... when it is Night 4. And "yesterday" is referring to Day 3.

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:No, you are trying to change the story here. You claimed to be Natasha'd on the same night I did.

Show me

I looked... I think that maybe we had different definitions of the word "yesterday"? If you weren't claiming to be seduced for Day 3 (the vote I was Scrooched for) then... I was mistaken.

However, your claim that the Natasha PM contained no message of instruction from Natasha is still extremely suspicious, because it did for me.

No, you are trying to change the story here. You claimed to be Natasha'd on the same night I did.

Sorry, Sorsha, I know I'm tunnelling.

It's just that, we both claim to have been Natasha-seduced on the same night. Tell me, is there any way that one of us isn't lying?? Do you think there's a power-duplication thing going on, and somehow we both really did get Natasha'd?

If one of us is lying, then one of us is 100% definitely a baddie.

I don't understand how every single person isn't voting for either me or Wilgy.

We don't need changeable votes. We just need DrWilgy votes.

Crap, now a baddie has an extra advantage.

Elohcin wrote:awe boo. Sorry SVS. Are you ever bad?

She's always bad in BR/LC games!

I'll be working when the Trivia Game goes on.

Lame! Noting to say about that lynch that I didn't say before it happened. RIP SVS.

Not really, because Wilgy is bad.

Sorsha wrote:Long con has not commented on svs at all this game nor given any read on the posts of hers I pulled earlier despite being on since I made them.

Forgive me... I actually thought your case about S~V~S and Scotty was really good. I just have my own thing I'm trying to work out, and if bea is forced to vote S~V~S, then I don't think it's likely that S~V~S is bad.

Of course, I didn't think Scotty was bad, based on the fact that Natasha tried to force me to vote for him. Of course, I was wrong, and the baddie strategy is one that fooled my logic circuits.

Unless there is some way that a Super Secret Power can duplicate things, as in making Natasha be able to seduce two people in a night, then Wilgy is lying. I don't feel like pursuing any other theories until he's lynched, because, well, he's definitely bad, and S~V~S is simply being made to look bad by a believable case. I think that a Wilgy lynch will reveal a baddie, which will likely factor into any other case that could be made, including yours on S~V~S.

It's just backward to me to lynch S~V~S first, when Wilgy is a solid lock. Natasha didn't have to reveal to me at all that it was her that was trying to control my vote, but she did. That was probably a mistake, in retrospect, but it is what happened.

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:bea, are you claiming a forced vote in the current lynch? I didn't know that was allowed, but if you are, then may I ask if you know which role forced your vote?

Spooky. LC I don't think that's allowed either and we shouldn't probe into that until night or until Llama give the hokey pokey.

Ok, fair enough. I wasn't asking her to reproduce a Host PM, which is the wording of Rule #4. If it was what you are saying, then I would absolutely forego asking such questions if our funkytown host would clarify what we should not talk about.

1. Whether or not our vote is, or was ever, forced
2. Which role, Natasha or Narrator, did the forcing
3. Whether or not there was any info in the PM that is noteworthy

Thus far in the game, it has been fine to let the public know if our vote was forced in a previous lynch. I don't know, but I don't recall, any rule that says we can't let the public know our vote is being forced in the current lynch.

We can't reproduce Host PMs - I take that to mean we can't copy-paste Host PMs, not that we can't discuss the content at all. If that's the case... I just would feel more comfortable with some hard, clear rules around the whole topic. I do not want to violate the letter or the spirit of the game, and I also don't want to avoid discussing things that are both legal to discuss, and helpfully important

bea, are you claiming a forced vote in the current lynch? I didn't know that was allowed, but if you are, then may I ask if you know which role forced your vote?

In my own defense, "no reproduction" doesn't mean the same thing to me as "no discussion". When I brought up the nature of the PM that I supposedly received (nod to Wilgy) and gave an example, it was just some top-of-my-head text that matched the stylistic quality of the PM, I didn't reproduce anything directly, except a word that matched here or there. Or maybe Llama is talking to Wilgy, and I'm the liar who's tagging along with my own fake part of the conversation! Only you can decide!

But I did have a dual-title for the day's event, so I think that alone deserves some merit.

Ha ha I'm lame. Mr Know-It-All.

Oh, and I'll go for Mr Knowledge as well.

Voting Wilgy. Final answer. He is bad.