The Syndicate

Can I just say that I love you TH (but if you turn out bad, I'm never trusting you again).

thellama73 wrote:Question for everyone who's not a Shinigami: does TH voting for me because I didn't succumb to his ridiculous threats sound like genuine baddie hunting?

No, but like I said, you were so full of it and your suspicion of me has taken over the entire game. I think expecting you to give something other than what you have was fair. I also think it was a sort of a protest and calling your bluff vote, and he might also believe you're bad. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he had to vote fast for some reason. I agree that he should have waited with his vote, but you really asked for it.

llama, I don't know if you're bad, but the way you've been handling things lately doesn't scream very civvie to me.

I knew someone would find a way to twist this and make me look bad again

I didn't know when the NK would happen. If I did, why would I say what I did a few seconds before.

Has anyone ever considered that there's a detective who doesn't want to be lynched because someone would die instead of them? Not that I'm saying It's me, but the fact people kept saying a civ wouldn't fight so strong about not getting lynched even if he couldn't, baffles me.

I said what I did because I was afraid that if by any chance Watari was already dead, if L was targeted, the detective roles that can't be lynched, would be lynched, and if I were a baddie who found out a possible unlynchable detective, I'd wait for very close to the deadline with my kill, so most people already vote for that detective and won't be as careful with their lynch because it won't go through.

thellama73 wrote:Turnip Head, I was obviously referring to the person who sent in the kill, the current Kira. I have no information on who that person may or may not have BTSC with. It was not a slip. Go nettle someone else, Shinigami, it grows tiresome.

linki: call it all you want. See who listens. I don't take my orders from you.

So refuting suspicion is just something others are supposed to do, not you?


TH, why do you think Boo is on the level?

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

boo wrote:Alright, does this mean what I think it means?

FZ seems to have seen that coming. She's Light, gave up the note to Higuchi so she wouldn't be lynched, but now Higuchi can be.

Now, if you're anything like me, Epi has been the obvious Higuchi for most of the game, and he has tried to take cover behind making it look like he's just a regular Yotsuba. I do not believe he's a regular Yotsuba (and even if he is, for me, that's not a loss, which I hope I've made clear by this point).

So... Epi already thought FZ was probably Light, and was pushing for her lynch to make her give up the note, so that he could get it?

Are there any other good Higuchi candidates? Anyone who has previously survived an attempt (that isn't FZ, if we're working under the assumption she's Light, which I can accept and work into other things I believe) is a candidate, but I don't think it is any of them.

My read of Epi is that everything he's done has been driven by a desire not to be lynched or Nked. If he was Higuchi and thought that FZ was Light, it would be the last thing he'd want to do to get her lynched. Because he'd be invincible without his DN.

What about winning though? Does it make sense that Higuchi could be an unkillable role the entire game and win?

So when I said it before, you had nothing to say, but now you've decided to suggest this option? And if he's Higuchi, I don't think he can even know who Light is. In any case, I'm not Light. But you, are just all over the place. Name one person since the game has started, that you called baddie and actually turned out to be one. I mean a Kira, not Yotsuba

thellama73 wrote:

boo wrote:Alright, does this mean what I think it means?

FZ seems to have seen that coming. She's Light, gave up the note to Higuchi so she wouldn't be lynched, but now Higuchi can be.

Now, if you're anything like me, Epi has been the obvious Higuchi for most of the game, and he has tried to take cover behind making it look like he's just a regular Yotsuba. I do not believe he's a regular Yotsuba (and even if he is, for me, that's not a loss, which I hope I've made clear by this point).

So... Epi already thought FZ was probably Light, and was pushing for her lynch to make her give up the note, so that he could get it?

Are there any other good Higuchi candidates? Anyone who has previously survived an attempt (that isn't FZ, if we're working under the assumption she's Light, which I can accept and work into other things I believe) is a candidate, but I don't think it is any of them.

I agree with everything Boo has said here. I was thinking along similar lines. Well done, Boo.

You are so full of it

Do we have a blocker or a role that can save at night? I can't read all the roles again

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?

Yes.

Should we treat them with the amount of seriousness as with your previous one?

Yes.

We're doomed :P

Too bad I'm the only one capable of leading lynches, huh? Oh wait, I'm not. It's just that no one else does.

Can't help it if I'm a born leader.

Don't mind me. I've lead the BWT lynch. I'm not better...though I think lynching a Yotsuba is far better than lynching a detective.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?

Yes.

Should we treat them with the amount of seriousness as with your previous one?

No, because that was rude.

Come on, what do you want from me? What would you have said to defend yourself from things you couldn't have defended?

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?

Yes.

Should we treat them with the amount of seriousness as with your previous one?

Yes.

We're doomed :P

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?

Yes.

Should we treat them with the amount of seriousness as with your previous one?

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Alright Epi/Llama lets see you put your money where your mouth is. Any new suspects?

I may have a few.

Oh?

Oh, now I'm really sad Boomslang is gone

Wait, it's day again?

*my

Now, the baddies will have no reason to keep you alive if you're civvies

linki:

llama and Epi, have you ever considered that maybe you were kept alive every day so you can keep pushing me lynch?

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:People lie about real life stuff too. For that reason I do not let it factor into whether or not I vote for the person. I've witnessed too many people taken in by it.

What role you got in this game has nothing to do with what is happening to you in real life.

I disagree. I would never use something like that as an excuse, but I'm pretty sure it would affect my game (hence why I dropped out in that game). I don't know why he didn't drop out, but I can totally see it affecting him as well.


linki: It's okay Julliets

You disagree because you would never do it? Then you haven't hosted enough. Good Lord, I've seen some whoppers and people bragging about it in BTSC.

I'm NOT saying that's Bass' thing. I'm just saying it happens more often than you think. I've seen people lie about having friends over. I've seen people lie about the power being out. I've seen people lie about having schoolwork. I've seen people lie about bad weather.

It happens. Often.

I myself never lie about real life stuff either in a game- that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Well, I guess I judge people by how I play, and I expect more from people. It saddens me But I still think there's a big difference between saying you have friends over and saying your suspect list suck because you had a death in the family

DharmaHelper wrote:We continue to lynch the unlynchable, Kira continues to kill the killable.

linki: Thanks TH.

For after this lynch, what are people's opinion of Boo?

Epignosis wrote:People lie about real life stuff too. For that reason I do not let it factor into whether or not I vote for the person. I've witnessed too many people taken in by it.

What role you got in this game has nothing to do with what is happening to you in real life.

I disagree. I would never use something like that as an excuse, but I'm pretty sure it would affect my game (hence why I dropped out in that game). I don't know why he didn't drop out, but I can totally see it affecting him as well.


linki: It's okay Julliets

If I'd had a death in my family I would just stop playing to be honest. It's not worth the tension. In the game Epi looked at in K-site I left the game after my friend just died. I couldn't handle the game. While I agree that we can't let outside stuff affect how we judge people, it's only natural, and maybe it has affected his game. I think for the sake of the detectives as much as for Bass, we should give Bass the BOTD for another day and just lynch me


linki: I hope so too.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:But I'm done with this bull shit sorry I had something that needed my attention more then mafia.

Bass, I get RL had a serious effect on you. If you tell me that everything you've done is because of RL, I'll be telling people to vote me instead of you. But it's not only what you said earlier, it's how you're acting now. You seem to be catching up, and your reason for voting me seems crappy at best.

So let me ask you this. Why are you fighting so hard not to be lynched is you are going to survive?

I thought it before I said it would be a waste because I didn't want it out there that I can't be lynched, and when I got fed up I fought it because the whole point of revealing it was to prevent a waste of lynch. If anything, that would be more reason to fight it.

Meh, I don't feel too comfortable with my vote for Bass, or with lynching him. I'm okay with you voting me to prove I was telling the truth, and we look at Bass. Shitty outcome, but whatever

juliets wrote:

FZ. wrote:I have to say, I find it weird that non of the more vocal players are getting NK.


linki: Really, Julliets? In what way does Bass seem genuine to you? He had 3 top suspects and now he's voting me because I am fighting too hard?

FZ. I think his answer sounded genuine about why he seems to be laying low. He had a death in the family, I sympathize with that. I can see how having someone dying in the hospital could take away from your mafia playing time. That's what I meant by he feels genuine.

I get that. Hell, I even told TH earlier that his RL issues make me feel like maybe voting for him would be lynching the wrong person, but while I get not being able to catch up, or not giving all you got, I can't accept half excuses for a vote, and he's been doing it again and again

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

juliets wrote:Bass, FZ. makes a good point. Why are you voting for her?

Because if you say " I'm not going to be lynched" why fight so hard not to be lynched? It seems odd to me.

And you haven't read all the other things I've said? Did you not take any of that into consideration?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:But I'm done with this bull shit sorry I had something that needed my attention more then mafia.

Bass, I get RL had a serious effect on you. If you tell me that everything you've done is because of RL, I'll be telling people to vote me instead of you. But it's not only what you said earlier, it's how you're acting now. You seem to be catching up, and your reason for voting me seems crappy at best.

I have to say, I find it weird that non of the more vocal players are getting NK.


linki: Really, Julliets? In what way does Bass seem genuine to you? He had 3 top suspects and now he's voting me because I am fighting too hard?

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote: I don't understand what you think FZ would have to gain by saying anything about it if she knew it would happen.

I don't know. I just think it's weird.

I PMd MP with a question. Maybe it reminded him that he had to post the NK story.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: This is disgraceful. I think your baddie hunting skills are awful

Tell that to Snowman.

Ha, let me remind you that I wanted to vote Snowman on the first day but you all called me out on it. I admit that later on I was fooled by him, but at least he tried harder to appear good when he did post.


LInki: Yes llama, and I was a real idiot and said something like what I did seconds before. Brilliant

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Im going to go ahead and vote FZ. I agree that its odd that she is defending so hard if she is going to survive. My top suspect is mata but we can't lynch her today.

RIP Boom

That is a pathetic excuse of a bandwagon.
Epi and llama. Really? You think what I'm doing and saying is more suspicious than this? And to think I actually thought for a moment that his RL issues are making me think he's bad.
This is disgraceful. I think your baddie hunting skills are awful


Votes Bass

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Day 9: Boomslang's Demise

The players were fervently discussing FZ.'s prospective lynch... again. Suddenly, Boomslang collapsed to the ground, dying of a heart attack.


Boomslang has been killed by Kira.

It is still Day 9.

You still less than 2 hours to find and lynch Kira.

Never mind. RIP Boomslang

I just want to remind you all, that we haven't had a NK yet and I don't know when it's going to come, but if a certain role is killed, it could have a big effect on the lynch as well.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:linki: Epi, I've said myself that your case is the best I've seen in this game, and was worried about people defending me and going after you. It's one thing to think I may not be bad, but to accuse you of being shifty for your case worries me. My frustration from being the only one focused on has nothing to do with it, or maybe it does, because I think it hinders all other conversation and when you figure out you're wrong, you'll be left with nothing. What do you think about the people going after you for that?

If I'm wrong, then I get more information to try again next time, assuming I live. That's how this game works. And the only information I get is the public kind, so

If I'm wrong, people telling me I'm wrong, I'm going to be sorry, I'm going to look stupid, I'm going to regret it, I'm going to have egg on my face, I'm misguided, how will I feel when, I'm ignorant, I'm stubborn- none of that is going to do diddly to change my mind.

If you want to show me I'm wrong, a logical counterpoint is where it's at. I don't respond to insults, tuants, and what ifs.

Look, I'm sorry if I insulted you, but just remember how you felt that day in the beginning of the game when people were contemplating voting for you. You got defensive. I've had to deal with this from day 1, and it's affecting me. It shouldn't go to personal remarks, but I feel like I've done everything I can to show you I'm not bad, yet you're twisting it to fit your theory. I guess I get it, I've been in your shoes and I've done it too. There's really nothing I can say that will make you change your mind and you know it. I've also tried to find other baddies. I've been the first to call Elo bad, I've voted for Mata and said I thought she was bad, yet you're not seeing it. I really don't know what else I can do. If I thought me surviving that lynch would actually convince you I'm good, I might have wasted this lynch and went with you on it, but I don't. You have decided I'm bad, and when I survive this lynch, you'll convince yourself that I everything I did was from a baddie's side.

And no, I think that we're at a disadvantage here because the only weapon civvies have is lynches, and we barely have people we can lynch. So how is wasting another lynch going to help? If you were a civvie in my position, would you tell people to lynch you, or would you fight it?

linki: Boo, you're starting to smell of fish

DH and TH, do you think llama and Epi are misguided or bad?

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:He wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch. Or he wants us to think he wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch.

How would that serve his cause?

Other than it allowing for two nights in a row, it doesn't serve his cause. I think it's a bluff, or an act. I seriously doubt Mikami will kill himself today. I'd love for him to prove me wrong though

linki: No FZ, your vote for me would still help. Trust me. Don't vote for yourself please.

Okay, I'm going to hold on to my vote for a while and see if others are willing to go there.

And llama, I'm listening to TH, because a. unlike you, he's not trying to take down a detective and using the "if she's a detective, she won't die" excuse to waste another lynch, and b. unlike you, he seems like he's actually trying to help the detective cause


linki: Epi, I've said myself that your case is the best I've seen in this game, and was worried about people defending me and going after you. It's one thing to think I may not be bad, but to accuse you of being shifty for your case worries me. My frustration from being the only one focused on has nothing to do with it, or maybe it does, because I think it hinders all other conversation and when you figure out you're wrong, you'll be left with nothing. What do you think about the people going after you for that?

llama: I think that we have so many more useful angles to pursue and you're damn right I think lynching me is a waste of time, but I don't fear it. It would help if you'd actually do some reading that is not related to me.The only reason we keep talking about me is when you and Epi keep pushing it. Funnily enough, no one else really wants to talk much about it.


linki: What TH said.

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:I don't mind who the detectives win with, as long as we win. TH, why do you think MM will never help us?

I don't know FZ, maybe the fact that he's specifically said he doesn't want to help the detectives?

linki: FZ, I'm already doing everything I can to ensure a detective victory. I want the detectives to win this game. Baddies win enough games on this site as it is. And it's because civvies don't try as hard.

Believe me, I'm trying the best I can, and I actually do feel like you're doing that too. I also agree that the civvies don't try as hard. Pfft, they're even saying that if I were a detective, I wouldn't try as hard to avoid a lynch. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. So, since I do want to listen to you, what do you think is better, voting for you or for Bass? On one hand, I don't think you'll get enough votes. On the other hand, Bass' RL issues make me fear that maybe we'll be lynching him wrongfully, though he really isn't doing anything that could be considered helpful. Still, if he's not bad, we need him even for the numbers. How sold are you on him being bad?
?

I'm not 100% convinced about Bass yet. I would really like to hear his response to all the suspicion that has been piling up on him. So if you're not convinced about him being bad yet, vote for me instead.

But if I'm the only one, it doesn't help. If he's not bad, I'd rather make sure I get lynched and not him.

I really hate how Epi and llama are so tunnel visioned they are not even contributing anything to the discussion. Okay, I get it, you think I'm bad, you want me lynched. Move on, talk about other things as well. Let's pretend it's just in case you die, okay?

DharmaHelper wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:That Death Note is going to be in Kira's hands one way or another Boo. It's either in Light's hands or Higuchi's hands or Mikami's hands. Somebody is going to try to kill us with it.

The thing is, if FZ isn't Light, then by lynching her the Death Note will still be in Light's hands after tonight...

I think I already know who you are, and I think you can win with the detectives, and I don't mind trusting you because you've baddie hunted more than most people in this game, so letting you talk to L could benefit us. My only problem is that I don't know your win conditions and I'm not sure if blindly trusting you is not dangerous. Can you honestly say that you would do everything to help the civvies win?


And what does MM mean?

He wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch. Or he wants us to think he wants Mikami to kill himself and stop the lynch.

How would that serve his cause?


linki: I would so love to hear it

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:I don't mind who the detectives win with, as long as we win. TH, why do you think MM will never help us?

I don't know FZ, maybe the fact that he's specifically said he doesn't want to help the detectives?

linki: FZ, I'm already doing everything I can to ensure a detective victory. I want the detectives to win this game. Baddies win enough games on this site as it is. And it's because civvies don't try as hard.

Believe me, I'm trying the best I can, and I actually do feel like you're doing that too. I also agree that the civvies don't try as hard. Pfft, they're even saying that if I were a detective, I wouldn't try as hard to avoid a lynch. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. So, since I do want to listen to you, what do you think is better, voting for you or for Bass? On one hand, I don't think you'll get enough votes. On the other hand, Bass' RL issues make me fear that maybe we'll be lynching him wrongfully, though he really isn't doing anything that could be considered helpful. Still, if he's not bad, we need him even for the numbers. How sold are you on him being bad?
?

Also, did MM just try to hint that Mikami is not around at this point? If he's not lying, that would make BR, SD , Zeek or Bass Mikami. Am I missing something?

Turnip Head wrote:That Death Note is going to be in Kira's hands one way or another Boo. It's either in Light's hands or Higuchi's hands or Mikami's hands. Somebody is going to try to kill us with it.

The thing is, if FZ isn't Light, then by lynching her the Death Note will still be in Light's hands after tonight...

I think I already know who you are, and I think you can win with the detectives, and I don't mind trusting you because you've baddie hunted more than most people in this game, so letting you talk to L could benefit us. My only problem is that I don't know your win conditions and I'm not sure if blindly trusting you is not dangerous. Can you honestly say that you would do everything to help the civvies win?


And what does MM mean?

I don't mind who the detectives win with, as long as we win. TH, why do you think MM will never help us?
MM, why should we trust anything you say?

Man, I agree with MM, people don't want to listen to anyone but themselves.
llama, other than lynching me, do you have anything that is actually productive to say?

Assuming MM is what people think, if he were to get BTSC with L, do you think he'd be allowed to out Light to him? Or whoever else he knows is bad? Would that be in his favour?

LOL, I wish lynching me would end this misery. This game is giving me a headache :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Ricochet wrote:TH, your "evidence" was built on trying to pin me and Mata as Misa/Rem. I am neither of those roles. You didn't reply to any of my rebuttal back then. You didn't actually address anything from that until I reminded you of certain questions I asked you (the Misa relinquish part). You didn't reply to any of my rebuttal on your first case (me + MM = love) either.

Unrelated to this, if you have only this angle about who Mata could be, you might want to look into a totally different, alignment-wise, but equally significant possibility.

I didn't respond to your rebuttal because it became clear to me soon afterwards that I couldn't get you lynched right now even if I tried. I have plenty to say about your rebuttal if you'd actually like to hear my thoughts on it, because your response only served to convince me further that I am right about you.

And thanks for your answers DP. Good to know where you stand.

TH, can you explain to me, in words I understand, what is going on with MM and the Mikami thing? Is he accusing DH of being her (or is it him)?

DH said that he wouldn't lynch me unless I outed my teammates. His comment was perfectly timed with my plan.

That was me, not DH, or did he say it too?

Turnip Head wrote:

Ricochet wrote:TH, your "evidence" was built on trying to pin me and Mata as Misa/Rem. I am neither of those roles. You didn't reply to any of my rebuttal back then. You didn't actually address anything from that until I reminded you of certain questions I asked you (the Misa relinquish part). You didn't reply to any of my rebuttal on your first case (me + MM = love) either.

Unrelated to this, if you have only this angle about who Mata could be, you might want to look into a totally different, alignment-wise, but equally significant possibility.

I didn't respond to your rebuttal because it became clear to me soon afterwards that I couldn't get you lynched right now even if I tried. I have plenty to say about your rebuttal if you'd actually like to hear my thoughts on it, because your response only served to convince me further that I am right about you.

And thanks for your answers DP. Good to know where you stand.

TH, can you explain to me, in words I understand, what is going on with MM and the Mikami thing? Is he accusing DH of being her (or is it him)?

Can anyone tell me how voting early could be related to the theme?


linki: WTH?

Ricochet wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:Why do you think MM wants us to vote for him? Or did he get back his DN and is doing a reverse psychology on us?........ Or did I totally miss his role?

I believe MM is Ryuk. Maybe his secret win condition is that he has to reveal his role as such, which would require lynching him again.

He's also trying not to share any suspicions so that we can't figure out who is and isn't on his team. Voting for himself tells us nothing, which is the way he wants it.

If his win condition requires an extra lynch, would he be that obvious about it? Why would we help him? If it's in fact his win conditions, I'll go with it if he reveals who Light (who he has BTSC with) is.

What the heck is this even? Isn't that outing?

Well, I didn't mean it at face value, but right now, he's doing nothing to help the civvie cause, so I see no reason to do anything he's asking. If he wants us to help him, he needs to help us. I agree with TH that he's most likely Ryuk, and that he's been trying to make it quite obvious. He could have done a lot better.

Of course we only help MM once Light has been taken out of the picture

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:Why do you think MM wants us to vote for him? Or did he get back his DN and is doing a reverse psychology on us?........ Or did I totally miss his role?

I believe MM is Ryuk. Maybe his secret win condition is that he has to reveal his role as such, which would require lynching him again.

He's also trying not to share any suspicions so that we can't figure out who is and isn't on his team. Voting for himself tells us nothing, which is the way he wants it.

If his win condition requires an extra lynch, would he be that obvious about it? Why would we help him? If it's in fact his win conditions, I'll go with it if he reveals who Light (who he has BTSC with) is.

Why do you think MM wants us to vote for him? Or did he get back his DN and is doing a reverse psychology on us?........ Or did I totally miss his role?

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:Why not just vote for Bass then. Forget llama and Epi. Though lynching me early is better than lynching me late.

Do you think Bass is bad?

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:So much discussion has taken place while I was gone, it's inspiring. Should I have used the orange?

Okay, just so I know, aside from me, who are people's top 2 suspects?

I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.

And I know FZ. It's ridiculous. Nobody wants to talk about suspects, they want to sit back and follow the lead and hope that victory comes to them.

Out of the people who haven't been lynched yet (I mean attempted lynches), Bass is obviously a big concern, and I think it wasn't a coincidence he didn't vote for Mata, and I'm still worried about BR, although at times she strikes me as genuine. Still. she's nothing like the BR I've gotten used to seeing.
Also, if I assume Mata is bad, like I do, and she's defended me against Epi saying his later "case" on me seemed manipulative, it reminds me of how BR is acting, saying she's suspicious of Epi. While I know I'm a civvie and at times I don't get why Epi won't even consider I might be telling the truth (which every once in a while make me think maybe he has an agenda), they don't know I am a civ, and his reasons maybe the best out there for lynching a player. I don't think they are being genuine in their suspicion of him. This may include SD as well, though she came off more genuine, so I don't know


linki: What does it mean 11 secret votes unused?