The Syndicate

notsawyer540 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Congrats to the winners Nice job!

Don't know why you had to go and kill me so early, but I forgive you

I was actually screaming at my computer for the civvies to lynch llama, but they wouldn't listen. I guess it's a lot easier to see things in a new light when you're not in the middle of all the mess. But NotSawyer actually fooled me. Like Epi, I didn't see him as bad.
In any case, you both really pulled it off. It was impressive.

Thanks!

You fit the same profile as Eloh. Not a high poster, but not a low one either. When your name was suggested I went back and skimmed your posts and didn't find any way your demise would come back to bite us.

Thanks for all the compliments, guys. I had a great time playing with you.

Wow, that makes me feel so valuable

Epignosis wrote:

Marmot wrote:I doubted Epignosis every step of the way.

With good reason. I played like ass.

If I had just believed the opposite of everything I did I would have been fine.

I'm having Harry Potter flashbacks.

I don't think so. You were playing a very civvie game. I think you were the civviest of them all. The thing I didn't understand was how both you and LC were never targeted for a NK. That made me go back and forth on LC, but not you.

Congrats to the winners Nice job!

Don't know why you had to go and kill me so early, but I forgive you

I was actually screaming at my computer for the civvies to lynch llama, but they wouldn't listen. I guess it's a lot easier to see things in a new light when you're not in the middle of all the mess. But NotSawyer actually fooled me. Like Epi, I didn't see him as bad.
In any case, you both really pulled it off. It was impressive.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Hmm, at the risk of playing the devil's advocate, I don't think the fact SVS celebrated first and then asked about the alignments necessarily makes her bad. You come in, you skim the results, see it's not a civ, and also that there is something going on and the others' posts look like something good happened, so you celebrate. Only then do you actually dive into the results.

The part where SVS doesn't really give any suspects or tries to hunt for them makes me much more worried than the thing mentioned above, though. She claims that it just annoys her that we're not voting Jack, but why not discuss things in the meantime anyway?

I always expect baddies to do a better job and look like they are actually hunting, so I don't like to lynch those not trying hard enough, because it seems too easy. But playing on this site has taught me that plenty of baddies don't try hard enough, so I don't know. Maybe SVS is not in the mood to play that much and didn't like getting to be a baddie.

If there's anything giving me pause, it's this.

Does anyone have any reason to believe S~V~S is a civilian?

You've played with her more than I have. How many times have you seen her as a baddie not trying to look like she's looking for baddies?


I have to agree with Wilgy on DF and SVS not being together. It felt like he had absolutely no problem voting her. At this stage, I would try harder to lynch a civ and not one of my own. And he could easily go with the Jack option if all of them were bad.

No one got any Hillary points in a while...

Marmot wrote:Oh, and of course, WIFOM is a thing here, and the true enemy of the state.

That's why I voted when I did.

Okay Jack, for you I'll vote SVS

Marmot wrote:

FZ. wrote:Say it is SVS. Who would be bad with her?

Jack.

Do I need to find another potential teammate to justify my suspicion?

No, but it would be nice to find connections before we lynch someone.

Say it is SVS. Who would be bad with her?

Marmot wrote:

FZ. wrote:I always expect baddies to do a better job and look like they are actually hunting, so I don't like to lynch those not trying hard enough, because it seems too easy. But playing on this site has taught me that plenty of baddies don't try hard enough, so I don't know. Maybe SVS is not in the mood to play that much and didn't like getting to be a baddie.

This is what I think is the case.

Additionally, the mafia had a teammate exposed on Day 1 in addition to having a potential ally lynched. I would expect them to be annoyed.

That is a good point.

I usually clash with SVS when we play together, mostly when we are both civvies. It hasn't happened yet this game, so I'm not sure what to make of it either.

Hmm, at the risk of playing the devil's advocate, I don't think the fact SVS celebrated first and then asked about the alignments necessarily makes her bad. You come in, you skim the results, see it's not a civ, and also that there is something going on and the others' posts look like something good happened, so you celebrate. Only then do you actually dive into the results.

The part where SVS doesn't really give any suspects or tries to hunt for them makes me much more worried than the thing mentioned above, though. She claims that it just annoys her that we're not voting Jack, but why not discuss things in the meantime anyway?

I always expect baddies to do a better job and look like they are actually hunting, so I don't like to lynch those not trying hard enough, because it seems too easy. But playing on this site has taught me that plenty of baddies don't try hard enough, so I don't know. Maybe SVS is not in the mood to play that much and didn't like getting to be a baddie.

I'm having second thoughts on DF. His posts today, even though falsely accusing me come off as genuine.
I'd rather vote Jack if it's between them. That said, I am starting to see the merit in lynching someone else. We learn more from lynching someone else. If we lynch another baddie, that's a great result, and if we lynch a civ, we see where each person was going with his vote. So perhaps voting Jack is now the easy way out for the baddies.

you're probably all asleep anyway, but I don't have time right now. Just skimmed the pages and will make this short.

LC, you asked if I saw what llama saw in your posts that told him he wasn't bad. I don't know, but I know that for me, I read something and it just feels a certain way, so maybe he's like that too. llama feels like he's looking all over the place with his observations. I want to think it's a civ tell, but I'm not sure. I've seen civ llama tunnel like no other when a civ and this game he's throwing observations on everyone. Not sure what to make of it yet, but I'm not to worried at this point.

llama, to answer you question about why I said I forgot how stressful this game was, and why I would be stressed, I guess unlike you I hate getting a civ lynched and it makes me feel guilty when I contribute to another fellow civ lynch. Since all I know is my own role, I didn't know what the results would be.

I kind of keep going back and forth with LC. There are moments where he seems like a civ, and then moments where he really makes me worried.

Long Con wrote:

FZ. wrote:Is your vote for real LC?

Do you know of any method through which my vote would become more real?

At the time, your vote didn't appear, only your post. Hence my question.

Epi, what is your perception of LC this game? It feels like he's hinted at knowing something or responsible for something concerning you. Do you think it's genuine? His vote for llama for a second time feels like he's trying to find reasons to vote for someone who's not really suspected at this point, and for really small things, thus being able to stay out of the line of fire.

Is your vote for real LC?

Epignosis wrote:And if that view is correct, then from the mafia's perspective, the Day 1 lynch was perceived as a safe one for them.

But would you not agree that at least at some point, it looked like it might be dangerous for Jack with him having 2 votes already? Do you think the other baddies would just wait it out for a later stage, or would they start throwing some other accusations around?

Since I'm a civ, DF's points can't make sense, Epi.

I just noticed that SVS had the second vote after Scotty. He voted for Jack, she voted for Quin, Mac voted for Jack, and only then did Quin vote for Sawyer. Epi voted for Scotty, then Sawyer voted for Scotty.
Since at the moment, I don't see SVS as bad, though she can easily fool me, I think it's between Quin and Sawyer, because I don't think it's Epi, and I don't think Quin would vote for Sawyer if they were on the same team. So either Quin was trying to save Jack by starting a new train (he couldn't join SVS who voted for him), or Sawyer was trying to save Jack by joining the Scotty train. But at the same time, he could have voted for Quin with SVS and made it a tie between Jack and Quin at that time. So either he was afraid it would look like he was doing a NoU, or he really believed Scotty was bad.

Epignosis wrote:Jackie O is vanilla.

I was comfortable keeping him around, saying that I would rather lynch the mafia member with an ability.

However, I looked back and saw that none of us (the RED vs. BLUE mafia) had any ability at all, and there was a third party, and Trump had an ability.

Given that data, I think it is reasonable to assume the entire mafia is powerless beyond a kill.

I don't mind lynching Jackie O, but I would only do so as a last resort. Lynching exposed mafia only keeps his teammates out of discussion and pressure.

I don't think it's far fetched to assume there's at least some kind of lynch manipulation power. In addition, all those points handed out by the host might be related somehow to lynch results.
I get discussing everything else, but it's not like you're going to learn anything from those voting Jack today or the next day, so why not discuss who looks bad, and unless we find someone who feels bad, get rid of the known baddie?

And instead of discussing other options, we're now wasting our time discussing whether to waste our time voting the baddie or not...

Quin wrote:

notsawyer540 wrote:I'm going to assume you meant to say "were," because otherwise you'd be agreeing with me. If that's the case, it brings us back to the misunderstanding bit. You simply didn't understand what I was saying. Perhaps I could've worded it better, but that hangover I mentioned was really fucking with my focus.

Or are you just mad at me for being a redhead?

I'm trying to say that saying 'But then again' is an indicator that supports the idea that you were discrediting your take on the situation.

I could never be mad at you. I'm a red-head too.

The way I see it, I could agree with you if he had said he thought you were suspicious, but then again he hasn't played with you much. That would make sense from a baddie point of view. Trying to throw around accusations, but backing off a little, so you don't draw too much fire. But saying he didn't suspect you and "discrediting" it with a claim that he hasn't played much with you, makes sense if you are both bad, and he's trying to put some distance between you and only subtly defend you.

So to me, you look much worse after this back and forth.

Never mind, you said immediately. I missed that word. I need to go to bed. You can all discuss.

RIP Eloh.

I forgot to vote in the night poll

This whole Jack of hearts thing is weird, because I thought taking down meant he would die as well, not that he would be revealed. Yet, why do you think we should not vote him Wilgy? Do you think there's some kind of catch?

What a pleasant surprise. To be honest, I didn't think JackOH was bad. Not to take anything from Scotty's hunting skills, I don't think he would have wanted to take out a baddie, since that would mean he would have to be the last man standing, and that is probably harder than winning with the mafia, but who knows. I don't get why he was going after the person he wanted to take down with him anyway. Wouldn't that be a waste?

I have a screen cap from before I changed my time from Summer. So it's at least 50 minutes before the end of the day, but I believe it was earlier. I opened another window at some point to see the names of the players, and I did it much earlier. How do I post it?

Looking at the voting pattern, Quin voted for notsawyer after Jack had 2 votes. A good way to try and save your friend. Scotty didn't have votes at that point yet (unless I missed a switch of vote somewhere along the way). So I think that would be a good place to start. Baddies often like to vote early on a lynch wagon so they don't seem like they are bandwagoning. If his suspicions were genuine, DF is another good option to look into.

Epi, I have to disagree on Mac. It doesn't seem contrived to me, not to mention the fact that Jack was not at risk of getting lynched at the time Mac moved his vote from him to notsawyer, and keeping it there would have looked pretty good for him later on
I tend to agree on llama.His confusion between Jack and Sawyer felt genuine, and I actually found it hard to set the two apart at first.

Then, there's the list of those voting for Scotty. I believe the baddies probably spread their votes around, and since Jack put his vote there, the chances for another baddie there are lower. I don't think it's notsawyer because I think he was being used as a possible target. I now don't think it's Marmot either.
Not sure yet whether you could be bad, but I'm not seeing it for now, and Eloh feels good to me.

I think there is a baddie in one of the solo voters or someone who didn't vote

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:If Scotty is bad, isn't this the time his team is supposed to tell him to get in here?

Or they're throwing him to the wolves.

Let's hope so. I forgot how stressful this game is

If Scotty is bad, isn't this the time his team is supposed to tell him to get in here?

It says the poll ends in two hours. Is my time wrong?

Scotty, if you're around, now is the time to speak.

I have to say Wilgy is starting to worry me too. While his first "Epi is bad" comment didn't bother me at all, his joking around and zero meaningful contribution, does bother me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

FZ. wrote:I really don't like MacDougal's vote, and the fact he's just following Scotty's vote just makes it worse. Though I doubt both are bad...

If only one of them is bad, which is it?

Gtth, if you will.

I'd say Scotty.

Epi, couldn't flipping a coin just be a figure of speech?

I really don't like MacDougal's vote, and the fact he's just following Scotty's vote just makes it worse. Though I doubt both are bad...

I'm reading through. I have to say I'm leaning on agreeing with Epi on Scotty. Some of his posts feel to me like how I would play when mafia, by trying to look helpful in his attempt to analyse the host's post, and by looking like he's doing some serious hunting, while it doesn't feel genuine to me.
I have two reservations:
1. the part where he randomly chooses a low poster. That's poor hunting, and I think Scotty is smarter than that. 2. I also understand where he's coming from, with his suspicion of the marmot. He tends to lay low and be more fluffy when he's bad.
So

Scotty wrote:Everyone's checked in, so...ima thinking one of the low posters is definitely bad.

Jackofhearts, I see you.

Too easy.

llama, why'd you choose Quin as your wild day 0 accusation?

MacDougall wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I have a question for everyone.

If I don't make 100 posts today will I get lynched again? Is that something I need to contend with? I would rather not.

I didn't lynch you last time because you didn't make 100 posts.

Damn sure felt that way.

DrWilgy wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I have a question for everyone.

If I don't make 100 posts today will I get lynched again? Is that something I need to contend with? I would rather not.

I'll try to lynch you. Idk bout the others.

Haha ok.

Long Con wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I have a question for everyone.

If I don't make 100 posts today will I get lynched again? Is that something I need to contend with? I would rather not.

Just don't make any jokes like "Rule 1: Always lynch X day 1" and you're off to a good start.

I have a rule. Long Con is always bad when he starts cracking wise and not being serious.

Sorry, I haven't been here for a year. I remembered you as a very talkative player. Didn't say I would lynch you because of that, just making an observation. I still stand behind the part about Wilgy. You've played with him many times. Unless you were joking when you said he was bad because of what he said, I still find it odd.

As for LC, in the few games I remember him being bad, he was one of the most helpful players in the game, so I'd have to vote nay on that rule.

thellama73 wrote:Feigning ignorance of the rules. Classic FZ move.

well, indulge me please.

Hey, sorry it took me so long to check in. Wasn't around.

Sorry for the odd question, but maybe I missed this. Is this a regular heist game, as in a portion of baddies and the rest are good, or is this actually a red vs. blue game where there are two groups fighting each other?


I need to refresh my memory on some of the players' game styles. Wilgy to me is being Wilgy. He's done this before. Plenty.
Mac is usually more talkative, though it's still the first day, and sadly I can't remember if he's more talkative as mafia or civ. Though I didn't like his "I think you're bad" to Wilgy, because if I can remember Wilgy saying he's a doctor a lot, and pulling the someone is bad card in past games, I find it odd that he doesn't.

That's all I have for now.
Good to be back