The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:47 am
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:42 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:20 am Oh also NVN. I didn't actually curse you, I was redirected. It was good you messed it up because then whoever redirected it would have known instantly it was me.

FZ I understand, I enjoy playing with you. I only said that at the end because I want to be clear I don't fake emotional outbursts or whatever. It was probably misunderstanding what you meant. You are cool.
I'm glad we're okay. I don't doubt people when they tell me they had a shitty day and are not in the mood to play, because just like you, I try not to use personal life as an excuse.

I was Chava, the cop. The first night, I checked LC because something there felt off, but it was really a lucky hunch. Then, I spent most of the time trying to think of ways to not look like I was the cop and still get people to follow me. That is one hard job...I was sure the baddies were on to me and would kill me.

Next, I checked Wilgy, who turned out to be Golde. He had barely posted so I had almost nothing to "base" my opinions on. I started making things up. It's a good thing Epi did his shtick, because that was helpful for Wilgy.
The next night I was blocked, and the one after that I checked Marmot and got Tzeitel. Once again I had to fabricate evidence for you guys to follow me and not lynch him. I have no idea why Marmot did the things he did, or if he was indeed cursed the last day before I died. I just didn't know how to get you to listen. I'm glad JJJ finally understood.

The funny thing is, I checked Daisy the night before my last one, and DF didn't give me an answer. So I started out by wanting to lynch her anyway, but my back and forth with JJJ lead to me saying that the only person I'd consider switching to is NVN (Should have let him get lynched, I'd still be alive...), but I ended up keeping it on Daisy. But just when I was going to sleep, DF got back to me and said Daisy was actually this guy, so I had to stay up to make sure JJJ went back to Daisy. If you were wondering why I suddenly became so sure of myself, that's the reason
I was never cursed. I just had an awful game and responded poorly to a few posts that aggravated me.

Haha, I had a feeling you weren't, I just had to find a way to convince them not to vote for you, so I used every trick I thought of that would help me.

Thanks for clarifying DF, awesome game!

I guess I didn't do a very good job with that, haha

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:52 am
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:42 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:20 am Oh also NVN. I didn't actually curse you, I was redirected. It was good you messed it up because then whoever redirected it would have known instantly it was me.

FZ I understand, I enjoy playing with you. I only said that at the end because I want to be clear I don't fake emotional outbursts or whatever. It was probably misunderstanding what you meant. You are cool.
I'm glad we're okay. I don't doubt people when they tell me they had a shitty day and are not in the mood to play, because just like you, I try not to use personal life as an excuse.

I was Chava, the cop. The first night, I checked LC because something there felt off, but it was really a lucky hunch. Then, I spent most of the time trying to think of ways to not look like I was the cop and still get people to follow me. That is one hard job...I was sure the baddies were on to me and would kill me.

Next, I checked Wilgy, who turned out to be Golde. He had barely posted so I had almost nothing to "base" my opinions on. I started making things up. It's a good thing Epi did his shtick, because that was helpful for Wilgy.
The next night I was blocked, and the one after that I checked Marmot and got Tzeitel. Once again I had to fabricate evidence for you guys to follow me and not lynch him. I have no idea why Marmot did the things he did, or if he was indeed cursed the last day before I died. I just didn't know how to get you to listen. I'm glad JJJ finally understood.

The funny thing is, I checked Daisy the night before my last one, and DF didn't give me an answer. So I started out by wanting to lynch her anyway, but my back and forth with JJJ lead to me saying that the only person I'd consider switching to is NVN (Should have let him get lynched, I'd still be alive...), but I ended up keeping it on Daisy. But just when I was going to sleep, DF got back to me and said Daisy was actually this guy, so I had to stay up to make sure JJJ went back to Daisy. If you were wondering why I suddenly became so sure of myself, that's the reason
LC said you were the role check before he was even lynched but I thought he was wrong because all the night powers but ours got redirected to NVN when he didn't carry out the curse properly. So I knew you would have checked him. And you were advocating lynching him. So it looked to me like you must not be the checker because you didn't know if he was bad or not. I chose to kill Epi that night instead of you as a result because he was coming out certain that NVN was civ. You were right @Long Con and I should have listened.

I tried to not make it obvious who I was going to check every night. Heck, other than LC and Daisy, I kept changing my mind and sending DF a few PMs every night...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:56 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:43 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:37 am I was one of the daughters btw. I didn't expect to be found because I wasn't a high priority kill target, did the dad find the other daughter?
Poor Epi never found any of his daughters, so there was no civ BTSC at all this game. He came close twice though, once he tried to protect someone else, but was redirected to you, but was also blocked that night. Another time he tried to protect FZ, who was Chava, but it got redirected to NVN.

Linki: And for some reason I kept not receiving PMs from Mac even when he sent them.
awww i missed out on civ btsc with epignosis????

So did I.

How did the redirection work? Why was I blocked on night 3?

What were NVN's conditions for winning and his powers? To get Tzietel to die and...?

What did Epi try to do that day with the votes? Was it really what JJJ said? Was it trying to find Tzeitel? Or was it something completely different?

And who got the role of the Perchik?

LOL, the last night I didn't really have any reasons to check anyone anymore, so I told DF that just for fun, I'd like to check JJJ. When I found out I was killed by the ghost, I thought maybe it was JJJ and anyone that targeted him would have a 50% chance of dying, or a similar kind of role

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:20 am Oh also NVN. I didn't actually curse you, I was redirected. It was good you messed it up because then whoever redirected it would have known instantly it was me.

FZ I understand, I enjoy playing with you. I only said that at the end because I want to be clear I don't fake emotional outbursts or whatever. It was probably misunderstanding what you meant. You are cool.

I'm glad we're okay. I don't doubt people when they tell me they had a shitty day and are not in the mood to play, because just like you, I try not to use personal life as an excuse.

I was Chava, the cop. The first night, I checked LC because something there felt off, but it was really a lucky hunch. Then, I spent most of the time trying to think of ways to not look like I was the cop and still get people to follow me. That is one hard job...I was sure the baddies were on to me and would kill me.

Next, I checked Wilgy, who turned out to be Golde. He had barely posted so I had almost nothing to "base" my opinions on. I started making things up. It's a good thing Epi did his shtick, because that was helpful for Wilgy.
The next night I was blocked, and the one after that I checked Marmot and got Tzeitel. Once again I had to fabricate evidence for you guys to follow me and not lynch him. I have no idea why Marmot did the things he did, or if he was indeed cursed the last day before I died. I just didn't know how to get you to listen. I'm glad JJJ finally understood.

The funny thing is, I checked Daisy the night before my last one, and DF didn't give me an answer. So I started out by wanting to lynch her anyway, but my back and forth with JJJ lead to me saying that the only person I'd consider switching to is NVN (Should have let him get lynched, I'd still be alive...), but I ended up keeping it on Daisy. But just when I was going to sleep, DF got back to me and said Daisy was actually this guy, so I had to stay up to make sure JJJ went back to Daisy. If you were wondering why I suddenly became so sure of myself, that's the reason

We won? Yay!! Good job guys! Are dead civvies winners too?

Daisy, well played! I know you think I accused you of using real life as an excuse, but that was never the case.

I'm on my phone, so I'll be back in a few minutes to say stuff I wanted

Good luck town. I'm counting on you

Well, given all that's been said and done, I still very strongly believe it's Daisy, and no one else.

As for the speculations, since Dizzy had no votes, I don't believe the baddie had enough votes to overpower her, so I'd rule that out. And since the only baddie left is the one that can inflict punishments, it seems this is what happened. Yes, it can still be that Dizzy was lynched instead of another civvie, but at this point, when the baddie is in desperate need of some advantage, getting one civvie killed over another is not going to give him that advantage. If I were him and my power was useless because civvies refused to do what I ordered them, I would be really pissed and would make sure DF punished them for me. So if infact this is a punishment thing, and it sure looks like it, I can't see Daisy still being a civvie who just got replaced for the lynch. That would just be a waste for the baddie.

Kyle, I think that if Daisy was a civ, both her and Dyslexicon would have been lynched or dead, because one would be dead because of not living up to their part, and the other because we voted them off. I mean, what does it matter to the baddie which civvie is dead? It doesn't add anything to his winning chances. The fact there is a switch, makes me even more sure it's her.

One is going to die and one will probably have to do some sort of punishment which would influence the votes. This will leave 5 civvie players who can vote however they want. These five absoloutely need to vote for Daisy.

Stick together means lynch Daisy, no one else.

Daisy, just to be clear again, I wasn't accusing you of faking your real life feelings. I was accusing you of making us feel bad if we lynch you and found out you were a civl

WTF?
I was coming in sure the game was over. This sucks big time.
I wonder if the baddie, AKA Daisy, got some bonus because one of the players didn't live up to their punishment or something. Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is the independent role doing something.

I'm still sure it's Daisy. If I die tonight, make sure to lynch her and end the game.

Damn, I can't stay up anymore, I have work tomorrow. Please just trust me here. If I'm wrong, we'll do whatever you want and I'll follow you on anyone.
Kyle, Dyslexicon and Wilgy, and whoever hasn't voted:

DO NOT VOTE MARMOT. VOTE DAISY

Sorry for being so pushy...

JJJ, I need to see you move that vote back to Daisy before I go to sleep. It's really important. Forget NVN, I changed my mind. Daisy is our last baddie, she has to be.

And I'm seeing things clearer now. Please leave your vote on her. I read her reply post where she was really pissed and it felt once again like a baddie who's been caught but feels it's for the wrong reasons.

Let's just stick with Daisy. I think we are letting her emotions (even if they are true), get to us

I don't mind switching to NVN if you'd rather not vote for NVN, but I strongly object to voting Marmot

linki: Is that good enough for you or do you actually need a number?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:14 pm I mean, he didn't just say "follow me". He quoted Dizzy who had mentioned getting a flip on Marmot, recommended a follow, and included the grin emoji. It's flippant.

I don't see the big difference. Besides, after what I and Mac said last night or today (I can't remember), this would be a foolish thing to do from a baddie's position who has two people defending him and someone else getting the attention. Why would he want the game to end if he's not that suspected anymore?

@linki: It's not him

JJJ, let's say it's neither Marmot nor Daisy. Who would be your next pick?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:06 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:06 pm In what sense do you mean? The fact that he's voting for himself?
Yes, that.

I'm not going to be the one defending his actions, but I think if you wanted to make sure Marmot got lynched, and not the actual mafia, making him vote for himself at this point would be a very good way to do that, because it would contradict the essence of his role, just like you are now wondering about it, and make people doubt him all over again. Notice he has said nothing but "follow me". Feels like someone else is pulling the strings here, but this is just my opinion of course.

@linki: It may be irresponsible, but it doesn't mean it's not true.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:58 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:53 pm What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?
Okay, you said it better than I did.
What does the current tally mean to you if anything as it pertains to Marmot?

In what sense do you mean? The fact that he's voting for himself?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:53 pm What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?
I didn't say she is bullshitting, I said her reasons are BS. As in I find it personally offensive that I had a shit night and her response is to basically say I am lying to guilt people.

I did not say you were lying about having a shitty day and not feeling like playing mafia. I said you were guilt tripping us regarding the rest of that post.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:57 pm @Spacedaisy,

What do you think of the assertion that Marmot is the role which can earn -1 to its votes?

Have you looked at the votes prior to him asking to be lynched? Do you know how many -1 votes he received?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:53 pm What is the point of complaining about how "BS" FZ's reasons are when you don't think she is aligned with the mafia team? If you believe that she is doing her best to find the right lynch, then wouldn't it be prudent to approach her without all these "you're bullshitting" accusations? How does that even make sense?

Okay, you said it better than I did.

By the way, for me, my days and nights are really different from yours, so when I read someone saying they are not in the mood to play today, I automatically and foolishly view it as my day, which is when my day would start, around 12 am Eastern time. I apologize for that mistake too

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:19 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:03 am I've had a long and aggravating day and I am not in the mood for mafia tonight. Lynch me, I don't care. But maybe then you will finally listen to what I had to say and lynch Marmot next. I'm out for the night.
This does not inspire confidence on Daisy's side either.

Why does everyone keep throwing their arms up and quitting? If these are civilians we're going to lose the game.
This is not what I did by any stretch of the imagination. I said I was not in the mood for mafia tonight meaning I had a shit day and I had no patience for a game where everyone has decided that I must be the logical next choice and is planning to vote me. I was in a foul mood, so I wasn't playing last night. That is not the same as giving up.

FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:28 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:03 am I've had a long and aggravating day and I am not in the mood for mafia tonight. Lynch me, I don't care. But maybe then you will finally listen to what I had to say and lynch Marmot next. I'm out for the night.
I don't like this post. It feels like trying to guilt-trip us to not lynch her. The fact that I dislike the most is the fact that she says that after we lynch her we'll lynch Marmot. Is she claiming to know Marmot is bad? Because I doubt she does.
And she hasn't even voted for him herself. If she was so sure, she would have voted for him herself, wouldn't she?

I think I'm voting Daisy
First of all, I don't appreciate this. At. All. I had a fucking awful day yesterday and was in a really bad mood. I didn't come in and say, "Oh no don't lynch me because I had a bad day." I never guilted anyone, I just said I'm not going to be around last night because I was in no mood to play at that point. Also, why did you go from, "I'm looking for any other option than Daisy and then plopped on me based on this BS reason? Also I posted last before the Night had ended, I didn't vote yet because there wasn't a poll to vote in at that time. I am not claiming to know Marmot is bad, but I am claiming to strongly believe he is the last baddie.

Look, I have tried to make up for my shit play on Day 2. I have been contributing to this game and trying to find the scum and present cases as I see them. I've given all i could, and if you still think I am more suspect than Marmot, then lynch me. We are not losing the game over my lynch, so we can afford it. I don't want lynched because I value wins in which I am alive more than dead (I'm old school TP/ LP that way), but you do what you have to. Just don't lynch me based on BS, because that is what pisses me off. And frankly, FZ's reasons are major BS.

I'm voting Marmot.

I was planning on going to sleep, but I'm still here. Sorry I pissed you off, this is just a game, and all I'm trying to do is find the baddies.
Let's say my reasoning is BS, why are you not questioning me at all? Why do you just call it BS and get angry, but don't think for a second that I am just plotting to get you lynched?

By the way, NVN, why are you voting Daisy, and not any of the other candidates for a lynch?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:03 am I've had a long and aggravating day and I am not in the mood for mafia tonight. Lynch me, I don't care. But maybe then you will finally listen to what I had to say and lynch Marmot next. I'm out for the night.

I don't like this post. It feels like trying to guilt-trip us to not lynch her. The fact that I dislike the most is the fact that she says that after we lynch her we'll lynch Marmot. Is she claiming to know Marmot is bad? Because I doubt she does.
And she hasn't even voted for him herself. If she was so sure, she would have voted for him herself, wouldn't she?

I think I'm voting Daisy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:15 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:14 pm Does anyone know when DF usually gets here?
He's usually come around just prior to the deadline.

Thanks.
As for your quote regarding Kyle, I see what you are saying. Not sure it clears him completely, but it does look better for him. One could argue that this is LC distancing and then going back so he won't have to follow through, but it doesn't feel like it.

Does anyone know when DF usually gets here?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:08 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:49 pm RIP Sloonei. Sad to see you go Now the game will definitely get quieter.
Speaking of Sloonei, he went after Kyle for a long time. I forget, is there a reason we let Kyle off the hook other than our feelings that he was being genuine?
The main reason I have been looking elsewhere apart from his looking genuine was the early exchange he had with Long Con where LC smeared his responses to my fake tell. LC omitted a piece of Kyle's post to make it look worse, and Kyle responded in a way that looked like genuine discontent and not some fudged exchange.

It's also a bit tougher to hang the Sloonei kill on Kyle given that the previous kill was Epignosis -- someone who was strongly in Kyle's camp.

I wasn't asking due to the kill. Just a general question.
Trying to think if I have another option other than Daisy

Kyle, did you write what makes you a civ, when all of us did it?

RIP Sloonei. Sad to see you go

Now the game will definitely get quieter.
Speaking of Sloonei, he went after Kyle for a long time. I forget, is there a reason we let Kyle off the hook other than our feelings that he was being genuine?

Which means, if someone dies again tonight, it's really crucial to make the right choice next day...

Sorry, I forgot it's night 4.5...

I'm voting Daisy for now, because I'll probably won't be here for the rest of the day.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:36 am i think... we kind of have to deal with our POE pool first regardless. the mafia isn't going to do it for us. if we start dipping into tinfoils and deep cuts then we risk creating a losing situation in the future.

A 2-1 lylo of 3 players who all interacted with LC and LR most sounds a lot easier to solve than a lylo with 3 players who interacted with them the least.

Well, if we lynch the wrong people and then the mafia kills the people that interacted most with LC and Lorab, you won't have much.

Mac, I'm glad we agree that Marmot is good

Maybe he couldn't have played it worse, but there's a good chance he did. Just for the sake I'm right, I'm not going to vote for him. If you all decide it should be him, which I really don't recommend, at least make sure that he gets enough votes but not too much, so that if has -1 votes, he will be saved and proved civvie. That's my take. In the meanwhile, I'd look again at Daisy, and at some other people as well.

I've questioned Dyslexicon and JJJ this last day. Their reactions satisfy me, so I'd look at the rest for now.
Not sure I'll be able to be here more today. We'll see

JJJ, I've trusted you all game, and this is me going crazy because I am out of options. I'm back to thinking you're civvie. I don't need the case.
I think I'm right about Marmot, and my last post should prove it. It's jumbled but I hope it's still clear enough.

We need to look somewhere else.

Okay, you feel honest. I'm just trying really hard here, and I think we need to look somewhere else. Is there a place where we can still find the polls? I can't find those anymore.
Trust me JJJ, I'm paying attention. For a smart guy, I'd expect you to pay attention too. I believe Marmot is not our guy. The night kill is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about lynch survival.
Epi's joke was what it was. I've never seen Marmot just tell people to kill him to end the game, have you? If he was trying to end the game, why give more thoughts? Here's my biggest clue:

He posted the poll results, laughed at the votes for Epi, and clapped at the fact that he got no votes, possibly giving him another -1 vote.

And you pushing for his lynch because he's presumably begging to be relieved is not making me feel better about you JJJ. Try harder

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:47 am Are you kidding me.

I actually just slapped my own face so hard that it physically hurt.

Lynch the guy that conceded. Lynch the guy that is begging to be relieved of this game ASAP because he knows he can’t win.

Well, right now, I'm pretty sure Marmot had a purpose and is not just begging to be relived of this game. I expect more from you. I can't be sure you are the baddie, but I'm starting to be sure Marmot isn't it either.

Correction, I think there's a good chance Marmot won't be lynched at all if we try and lynch him, depending maybe on how many of us try to do it. There are two payers at least that can survive a lynch. One is Tyvie's wife, who can stop a lynch, and the other is his daughter that could survive a lynch if she started the days with minus votes. I'm not sure how much minuses Wilgy or Marmot have, but it's possible each of them has one of these roles. Otherwise, why would Marmot just ask to be lynched. Makes no sense to me unless he wants to prove something. He's not they type to just give up and forfeit the game

Dyslexicon, I was preparing a post why JJJ could be bad, but decided to wait on it. Now JJJ comes out and tries to push harder for Marmot. I don't think Marmot will turn out bad if lynched. I think there's a reason he's been asking to get lynched, and what troubles me the most about JJJ is the fact that he could try and figure out what Epi was doing, but can't figure out what Marmot is doing. So yeah, at this point, I think we should be looking into him more thoroughly

RIP Epi

I wish we knew what he meant before he died.

But I was thinking, what if Marmot's been trying to get lynched so we can find out what his role is? There are roles that would make him survive a lynch and prove he is a civvie. I think maybe that's why he keeps asking for that over and over again.

I don't want to go the Marmot way. So unless it's Daisy, which I'm starting to doubt, I'm beginning to think one of the trusted is really bad.
I wish I had time to ISO

Oh, and I think I proved I am a civvie, because I basically started the lynch on LC. No one was really talking about him before I came out after his suspicion of Epi and didn't stop until he got lynched.

Tomorrow I will not be here for most of the day, so I'll have to vote early. I would really like us to decide tonight on who we're going to vote for, so I don't end up messing the vote.

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