The Syndicate

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, and I couldn't believe DF was Chick Hicks!!! Well played!

I am even more shocked to find out Llama was Sally!!!! Ahhh!!! I agonized over resurrecting him SO BADLY since he died so early, it was around his birthday, and I knew he would help baddie hunt. But in the end what kept me from it was that he was killed by Chick and I couldn't tell myself that he was civvie and I didn't want to be the guy who rezzed a mafia member. So in the end I went with the quickest safe bet (BWT) that I could, even though I had my doubts that he'd be very active.
You resurrected the guy who told me that you talked too much (and silenced you).
Lol, yeah, well... I would have resurrected the first player regardless to be cleared as civvie that way.

Who was it that brought up the theory that the mafia killed one of their own so that I would do that? I only caught up from time to time, but I remember reading that I think. That was an interesting theory.
It was FZ's theory.
Oh, okay. That would have been a CRAZY idea. Maybe a really good one. Most people probably wouldn't do it. But I might have considered it.
I just wasted a good trick

And LOL at Dom and his theory about someone wanting him dead. I had no idea what he was talking about. I should have known Dom wouldn't say something that weird

Well, it's a bit out there. Is it worth the risk? I'll say no and use it later.

Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:Thanks!!
All your Syndicate wins are my games.
I think that I play mostly your games
I enjoy hosting you.

Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:Thanks!!
All your Syndicate wins are my games.

I think that I play mostly your games

Thanks!!

Epignosis wrote:Tink, if you didn't know, is our daughter and Simon's sister. Without even looking at the roles, they said they wanted to be Finn McMissile and Holly.

Tink was convinced early on that Snow Dog was bad because he was "hopping around" (remember that, Snowy?). It wasn't until they tracked him that she dropped her case.

Speaking of tracking, they never gained any positive info. The only thing they got was negative info (for example, they learned that MovingPictures07 wasn't Chick Hicks or that Ambray wasn't Grem). The only person they freed from Professor Z was MP (they were not told if they were successful in freeing anyone).

They played very well. Can I ask how old they are?
So roles are not randomly assigned in your games?

Ha, that explains why llama and Made are winners too. Nice!

Hey, we won!!!

Good job civvies! and very well played, baddies. I think you had some bad luck with Lizzie, because had BR not been her, it could have gone your side.
But I sucked, LOL. Just a few examples:
1. It took me forever to realize that llama was Sally. I voted for him and wanted him lynched. Oops, sorry llama

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2. I voted for BR. Thank god she was Lizzie

3. I defended LC for a long long time.

Oh well, I'm glad I made the right decisions when it really mattered.

Great game Epi and Elo! I second the question about the races, and would also like to know if the night polls had any consequences

Snow Dog wrote:And why did LC vote for Bass? He was going to be lynched so why put that final not needed vote on him.

Unless of course he thought Bass may have been Chick.

Whtaever. I am voting LC also. It's a question of odds and the best odds imo are on LC.

I have no idea. Maybe it was because he wanted people to think exactly that- why would a baddie do that? It's a WIFOM...
Anyway, unless you've been recruited, or MM was really bad from the start (which besides being an interesting theory, was apparently a good way to see who'll take the bait), I see no other choice.

And I don't mind ending the day early. I'm even for it, because I'll be asleep by the time it officially ends

As much as my theory about the baddies killing their own was a lovely one

, it's not likely.
Assuming that the tie when MR was lynched was between two baddies, Splints had no choice but to vote for MR. If she hadn't voted for any of them, it would have made her look bad, if she voted for LC, and he would appear as a civ, she would look bad, so she went with the vote that would make both her and LC look good.

The two things I still don't get are:
1. Why didn't MR vote for DF at that time, but it paid off, so I guess it was smart.
2. Why didn't the baddies kill the established civvies. This is what worries me, because it makes no sense to narrow down the options for the civvies. I really really hope there wasn't any recruitment involved.

So I'm voting LC

Question to the host:

Is it possible to make this "day" a 48 hour day? Because I won't be here until tomorrow and I'd hate to just vote and leave, with no discussion.

Sweet.
I agree with those above me. Well played DF

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:The only player who would want a tie at this point is Chick Hicks. A tie does not benefit anyone else.

And let's not forget that if DF is Miles, he will not flip as such. He might even flip as Chick.
But since LC does not even have votes, if he's Chicks, why would he care who gets lynched?
If he is, he would certainly pick the civvie over the baddie to take the lynch. Otherwise, he might not have much of a chance to win.

True. I just hope BR doesn't come in and vote for you...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The only player who would want a tie at this point is Chick Hicks. A tie does not benefit anyone else.

And let's not forget that if DF is Miles, he will not flip as such. He might even flip as Chick.

But since LC does not even have votes, if he's Chicks, why would he care who gets lynched?

Long Con wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I always leaned on LC being Chicks.
I'm not Chick and I'm not the last baddie. That much should be proven soon enough.

How soon?

and how will it happen?

Long Con wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?
I think it's better to make it a tie between MetalMarsh and DFaraday, actually. As someone said, Tink has been wrong before. If we make it a tie, then whichever one of them is Chick would force the tie the other way, and we can be sure who Chick is and lynch that person tomorrow. I think the Seemer's ability is trumped by the total elimination of a team, so it shouldn't be a problem to know for sure that Chick's tiebreaker killed Miles.

Chicks doesn't have to be one of the two candidates for a lynch to break the tie, so we gain nothing by creating a tie. It doesn't matter to us which baddie is who, it matters that we get all of them.

I think DF is bad, and I'm finding myself not sure between you and MM. If MM is in fact the civ and you the baddie, then by forcing the tie, we get a civ dead, and that is something I don't want.
If you can prove that you're a civ and MM is not, then by all means. Until then, I'd rather take out the person I'm most sure is bad

Okay, thanks.
I'm leaning on agreeing with you, and there's a chance LC is the last baddie. I want to know what happens if we kill Chicks, because if there will be no kill tonight, it would be wise to decide who we think he is

Sorry for all the questions, but what does it mean to track? Does it the person chooses a player and learns who he visited and who visited him?

And another question, maybe for the host:
If we lynch Miles, and he's the last lemon, how can he appear to be someone else when we're supposed to learn that the lemons have been eliminated?

@linki: I mean would there be a NK?

Can anyone answer what happens tonight if we lynch Chicks today?

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

Tink also said Splints was good. I'm keeping it in mind, but in my opinion, DF is the sure baddie, and then even though I have reasons to think MM might be bad, I feel DF is the safer bet.
Why did LC vote MM?

Oh, and RIP Tink. It was nice playing with you

I'm going to vote DF too. I see no point in dragging this any further

Snow Dog, I'm going to give you the vote, just in case it's something that might help the civvies, and I see everyone is voting for themselves, so there's going to be a tie and I don't know what will happen. You better not be recruited

Snow Dog wrote:A risky strategy. I wouldn't. Who is to say who will be resurrected?

The risk is not that high. If you have that role, and you know that you can be NK any minute, you want to help the civvies as much as you can, so you use your power as soon as you can.
Maybe it is far fetched, but I just don't get why they didn't kill you or MM yet. Makes no sense. If one of you is bad, it makes more sense...

Crazy question:
Have baddies ever NK one of their own, hoping that person would get resurrected? Because BWT was killed the second night the lemons had a chance (after failing with MP or DF), and a resurrecting civ wouldn't take a chance on someone killed by Chicks, so there's a high chance that civ would choose BWT, not wanting to risk being lynched or NK before resurrecting. Seeing that BWT wanted to be replaced, maybe they decided to take a chance and if he got resurrected, it would make him look like the epitome of civviness, and then, he could ask to be replaced.

How crazy does that sound? And has it ever been done? Keep in mind that MM was the last to vote for Splints, when it was obvious she was going to be the one lynched.

DFaraday wrote:
FZ. wrote: DF not voting for Splints is weird. If he's the other lemon, it makes sense. If he's Chicks, why not vote with the civvies to look good? Either way, he's not looking good at this point.
I don't follow the second half of your reasoning. You're saying if I were Chick, I would vote for Splints, but since I didn't vote for Splints, I'm looking more like Chick?

I voted FZ because I found her more suspicious than Splints, as I stated earlier. If voting my suspicions instead of bandwagoning is suspicious, so be it. Also, SD, when there are only 8 players left, I don't think any vote can be said to be a "no vote".

What I meant is, even though I don't understand the second part, I find you suspicious. We've just seen Splints, cast the deciding vote on a teammate's lynch, so the fact that I would expect someone as Chicks to vote with the civvies, means nothing. Moreover, if Chicks really thought Splints was bad and the last one of them, I'm not sure he would have wanted her out at that point (unless he gets their kills, which is a question I asked and got no answer for)

fingersplints wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I'm telling you Splints is the way to go. I just know it. I'm more convinced than ever now. She hasn't even come in to fight.
there is nothing to fight against. because of all the info dropping and role claiming I have to be bad. it's wrong, but there isn't much I can say to defend myself.

I actually think it was mostly bad luck for the baddies that the people who weren't killed are those with roles like Lizzie (and the fact they didn't killed those who are allegedly sure civvies) . And I agree that it was clear from what happened that lynch and not because she hinted.

Anyway, I'm sorry you're not going to play any time soon. I hope it's stronger than you and you can't stay away

I enjoy playing with you a lot

Oops, didn't mean to add the link there...

Too bad this isn't the end of the of the lemons. Now I really want to know what "rewires" in professor z's role, means.

DF not voting for Splints is weird. If he's the other lemon, it makes sense. If he's Chicks, why not vote with the civvies to look good? Either way, he's not looking good at this point.

Some questions:

1. Are we sure that Tink is what we think she is?

2. Does LC miss lynches like that, when they are so important? Is it out of the ordinary for him or an occurring thing?

Yes!!! http://www.millan.net/minimations/smile ... ncsmil.gif

I'm going to sleep. I'm okay with voting either Splints or DF, so since there's a vote on Splints already, I'll join

DFaraday wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I'm not sure it's possible that fingersplints is bad. Well it is possible. Let's see if I can explain this.

Original Splints got killed by Chick. Now if she was bad, would she be asked to replace Kate? Well yes she would obviously, but only if Kate was also bad on the same team.
I'm not sure I follow. Splints could have been good in her first round. She could be bad now. It doesn't matter. If she was bad last round, the only way she could replace Kate is if she's bad now too. So I see nothing preventing her from being a baddie now
Your right. I was talking absolute rubbish, or garbage as you say in the States.
I'm not from the States so it doesn't matter to me

Right now, the two people that I'm most concerned about are Splints and DF.
DF, who do you think is a lemon, and why?
Same question for Splints.

And since the LC theory doesn't hold water in my opinion, if you're going to say LC, please address my thoughts on why he is least likely to be a lemon
I do agree that Splints is a possibility, but I also am unclear about you, FZ. Is there a compelling reason to believe that you are civvie?

So you're suspicion of LC has vanished?
And no, no compelling reason. Not my job to prove I'm a civ. If you think I'm not, then by all means, convince the rest. You're running out of options. It was only natural that you'll get to me

Say we eliminate the lemons today, does Chicks get to kill tonight instead?

Long Con wrote:I would say that there's one baddie and one LMS left, and they are most likely to be fingersplints and DFaraday. That's barring any recruitment possibilities.

I think I agree

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I'm not sure it's possible that fingersplints is bad. Well it is possible. Let's see if I can explain this.

Original Splints got killed by Chick. Now if she was bad, would she be asked to replace Kate? Well yes she would obviously, but only if Kate was also bad on the same team.
I'm not sure I follow. Splints could have been good in her first round. She could be bad now. It doesn't matter. If she was bad last round, the only way she could replace Kate is if she's bad now too. So I see nothing preventing her from being a baddie now
Your right. I was talking absolute rubbish, or garbage as you say in the States.

I'm not from the States so it doesn't matter to me

Right now, the two people that I'm most concerned about are Splints and DF.
DF, who do you think is a lemon, and why?
Same question for Splints.

And since the LC theory doesn't hold water in my opinion, if you're going to say LC, please address my thoughts on why he is least likely to be a lemon

Snow Dog wrote:I'm not sure it's possible that fingersplints is bad. Well it is possible. Let's see if I can explain this.

Original Splints got killed by Chick. Now if she was bad, would she be asked to replace Kate? Well yes she would obviously, but only if Kate was also bad on the same team.

I'm not sure I follow. Splints could have been good in her first round. She could be bad now. It doesn't matter. If she was bad last round, the only way she could replace Kate is if she's bad now too. So I see nothing preventing her from being a baddie now

Snow Dog wrote:I'm wondering about how Chick's tie deciding works. Or even if that is what he does. He can't be consulted by the hosts because all lynch posts go up immediately. What if it's decided by, if there is a tie, the person who Chick voted for gets lynched?
If he does have to PM the host just prior to the poll end time though, that means that Chick is someone who is active at that time.

I think that Chicks can lurk and just pay attention to the deadlines, even if your suggestion is true. But did we even have a tie that was not overruled by something else? I don't think this train of thought will help that much. It's weird that some of the players haven't checked in yet. They obviously didn't know the day was going to start all over again. You'd expect them to want to see the results, wouldn't you?

Splints hasn't been very active the entire game. Now, after last night, she's finally decided to be more active. I wonder if it's not because she's the last baddie standing from the lemons and has to pull through for her friends. Though if that was the case, lynching MR wouldn't make much sense. I'm going in circles.

And why would it be Splints when she voted for BR, and I haven't seen her defending LC much. Actually, I haven't seen Splints say anything that is very deep about anyone.

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Why is BR a confirmed civvy?
I thought it was pretty obvious Lizzy was involved, and that it couldn't be someone else.
Why does Lizzie = BR? Why not LC? Why not splints? Or tink?

She seemed to act as if it was obvious it was her after the day just started again, and like she expected it. Maybe I was too quick to judge, but LC came on and didn't say anything to contradict that or question it, so I doubt it's him. And as for Tink, the only reason I'm not considering her as a baddie, is because someone said that if Simon vouched for her, they were probably the British Intel or something. If not, why aren't we questioning her?

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:Hmm, looks like I was wrong about BR. I'm sorry, but I think that in the end, it was a good thing, because it just narrowed down our options.
As for Splints, the way she said she never throws a teammate under the bus, and no one said otherwise, made me think she's trust worthy. BR, do you think that Splints is the kind of baddie that will break the tie and lynch her own teammate? I would do it, where I come from, but I think things here work differently.

Also, with the way the lynch of MR went down, I am finding it very hard to see who could be on the team with him.

We have MM, SD, and apparently BR confirmed as civvies. We have Tink as a possible civ allegiance, and me, who I know is a civ.
This leaves me with LC, DF and Splints.
How sure are we that What Simon said about Tink was really based on something solid?

Looking at the last 3, they all voted MR. DF was the second voter, LC the fourth, and Splints the last and the one who made the lynch happen.

Say we only have one more baddie alive, let's look at the options:

DF- when he voted for MR, MR had one vote, LC had one, and DF had one. Say, he is on MR's team, why not vote for LC instead? There were plenty of ways to build a case aginst LC. Only thing making me think maybe DF was working with MR is the fact that out of the two people who had a vote on them other than MR, MR chose LC and not DF (MR was the second to vote LC).

LC- Like I said, when MR voted for him, he only had one vote. If they were on the same team, why not push for DF who had one vote, just like them at the time? I think that out of the three, LC is least likely to be on the same team with them. If he's bad, I'd say he's Chicks.

Splints- When she came in, there was a tie between LC and MR. If LC is a civ, she would have looked very bad if she would have been the one to get him killed. So her options were either to vote for MR, or "miss" the vote. Seeing that she missed the next vote, she could have done the same with the LC vs. MR vote, and let chance decide. BUT, on K-site, when there's a tie, whoever got the votes before, is the one lynched. I don't know how it is here, but if it's the same, then she knew that MR would be the one lynched, and she wanted to look like she caused his death.

What do you all think?
Except that we KNOW that in THIS game, Chicks decides!

Kind of missed that, haha.

Snow Dog wrote:Why is BR a confirmed civvy?

I thought it was pretty obvious Lizzy was involved, and that it couldn't be someone else.

Hmm, looks like I was wrong about BR. I'm sorry, but I think that in the end, it was a good thing, because it just narrowed down our options.
As for Splints, the way she said she never throws a teammate under the bus, and no one said otherwise, made me think she's trust worthy. BR, do you think that Splints is the kind of baddie that will break the tie and lynch her own teammate? I would do it, where I come from, but I think things here work differently.

Also, with the way the lynch of MR went down, I am finding it very hard to see who could be on the team with him.

We have MM, SD, and apparently BR confirmed as civvies. We have Tink as a possible civ allegiance, and me, who I know is a civ.
This leaves me with LC, DF and Splints.
How sure are we that What Simon said about Tink was really based on something solid?

Looking at the last 3, they all voted MR. DF was the second voter, LC the fourth, and Splints the last and the one who made the lynch happen.

Say we only have one more baddie alive, let's look at the options:

DF- when he voted for MR, MR had one vote, LC had one, and DF had one. Say, he is on MR's team, why not vote for LC instead? There were plenty of ways to build a case aginst LC. Only thing making me think maybe DF was working with MR is the fact that out of the two people who had a vote on them other than MR, MR chose LC and not DF (MR was the second to vote LC).

LC- Like I said, when MR voted for him, he only had one vote. If they were on the same team, why not push for DF who had one vote, just like them at the time? I think that out of the three, LC is least likely to be on the same team with them. If he's bad, I'd say he's Chicks.

Splints- When she came in, there was a tie between LC and MR. If LC is a civ, she would have looked very bad if she would have been the one to get him killed. So her options were either to vote for MR, or "miss" the vote. Seeing that she missed the next vote, she could have done the same with the LC vs. MR vote, and let chance decide. BUT, on K-site, when there's a tie, whoever got the votes before, is the one lynched. I don't know how it is here, but if it's the same, then she knew that MR would be the one lynched, and she wanted to look like she caused his death.

What do you all think?

I'm also starting to think that if someone was forced to vote, it's MM after he was the only one to vote BR, and last lynch, with Made, he said he agreed with everything I said concerning her being framed, yet he said he was leaving his vote on her (without explaining why).

Anyway, I really think it's BR, and I don't think either DF or LC are Lemons. Whoever is not forced to vote, I hope you consider what I'm saying.

Going to bed now

I meant she voted late. BR is female, right?

And when did LC suggest the rewiring is forcing a vote?

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:So if for example there is only one baddie left from the lemons, who do you two think it is?
BR or DF. And I don't think there is a recruiter so I guess LC is right and he is a vote maker.

Why? Why DF? I can understand BR, because he voted late and at that point, if he joined the LC vote it would look like he was bandwagoning, plus the fact that by the time she voted, MR already had one more vote than LC, and the fact that after the lynch she said something along the lines of "finally, we got a baddie, and we will also be able to use the lynch list to find baddies", makes me think she is the baddie and she thought MR was going down anyway, and she would at least look good after the lynch.

So I'm voting her

And what do you think does it mean that this professor can rewire cars to do what he wants?

So if for example there is only one baddie left from the lemons, who do you two think it is?

Would we know if Hicks or the Lemons get eliminated?

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:
fingersplints wrote:It was pretty late. I don't know to the exact second. I always vote as late as I can if possible every game.

FZ: bwt/MM was killed by baddies. In that time chick killed, so he isn't chick and he isn't a baddie. Why are you so focused on him?
Oh, I'm sorry, I kind of missed him getting killed by baddies and resurrected. So BWT was killed by the baddies, and while dead, Chicks still killed, and then he was resurrected by Doc Hudson, and replaced by MM? If that's what happened, then yeah, I'm wasting my time

Makes you wonder why the baddies aren't killing the confirmed civvies like Snow and MM? Doesn't it? Unless we're missing something

I give up. I have no idea who to vote for.
I was going to say that I believe MM is civ. And i thought I'd be killed ages ago. Maybe as confirmed civs the baddies are using that to get close to us and appear as helpful civvies. That would include you of course.

That would be an interesting theory if I actually tried to get closer to MM. I was just asked why I was bringing him up so much...
Anyway, I still think that the baddies best tactic would be to kill those who people are sure are civvies. I have no idea why they didn't. Why kill Simon? Beats me.

And you still haven't answered why you think DF is bad

fingersplints wrote:It was pretty late. I don't know to the exact second. I always vote as late as I can if possible every game.

FZ: bwt/MM was killed by baddies. In that time chick killed, so he isn't chick and he isn't a baddie. Why are you so focused on him?

Oh, I'm sorry, I kind of missed him getting killed by baddies and resurrected. So BWT was killed by the baddies, and while dead, Chicks still killed, and then he was resurrected by Doc Hudson, and replaced by MM? If that's what happened, then yeah, I'm wasting my time

Makes you wonder why the baddies aren't killing the confirmed civvies like Snow and MM? Doesn't it? Unless we're missing something

I give up. I have no idea who to vote for.

Splints, how last second was your vote for MR?

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