The Syndicate

FZ. wrote: He's an outgoing llama. I'm sure he could get some from someone in the herd

Reading this sentence alone takes it to a totally different direction

Elohcin wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Was there a list of recruits?
Yeah, I have that too.
Can I have a milkshake?
We're out of milk.
He can give you milk. Though I have no idea if a milkshake based on a llama's milk is any good
Hilarious. But isn't llama a male llama? I wouldn't think he could give milk.

He's an outgoing llama. I'm sure he could get some from someone in the herd

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Was there a list of recruits?
Yeah, I have that too.
Can I have a milkshake?
We're out of milk.

He can give you milk. Though I have no idea if a milkshake based on a llama's milk is any good

Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:Congrats to the winners!! Glad to see the civvies won even though I was not part of it. It was a great game while it lasted for me. I love Epi's games
On that note, stop killing me! Who killed me by the way?

I don't even remember who I blocked, but I do remember blocking DH the night I died. Lot of help that did By the way, Epi, do you keep track of night actions? I'd love to see what happened each night
I keep a spreadsheet until the number of night actions becomes mentally manageable. If you give me some time I can put that together, sure.

Cool, thanks

Congrats to the winners!!

Glad to see the civvies won even though I was not part of it. It was a great game while it lasted for me. I love Epi's games

On that note, stop killing me! Who killed me by the way?

I don't even remember who I blocked, but I do remember blocking DH the night I died. Lot of help that did

By the way, Epi, do you keep track of night actions? I'd love to see what happened each night

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Something something rezz please.

I want it too.

Being dead is not all it's cracked up to be

That was mean

I think it's time to change the rules and let civvies that are NK win with the living civvies in case of a civ win. Anyway, Go civvies!
And great game Epig! I really enjoy your games!

Actually, TH voted last, so it is possible that he saw DF was a gonner and then voted. But TH was the one who brought up the DF case again after we let it go a little. On the third hand, he kept saying he trusts DH, so I don't know.
I might go with Timmer or Bea after all.

linki: Yeah, I see what you're saying zeek.

zeek wrote:FZ - True, but that would make any sort of analysis of the voting yesterday null and void. I don't believe that is the case.

Thanks Epi, I'll stay up a bit longer then and see how tired I get

I just looked up the role again. If we assume both night kills were of civvies, it means he had -4 votes. He would be tied with someone who had 3 votes if he had 7 votes. Any votes beyond that, are those who actually got him lynched. So I'd say, if anyone is looking not to be on his team, it's Bass and TH, because they were the ones to seal the deal.

Then, we have DH who voted for Boomslang right after Roxy put in the 7th vote for DF, making it a tie between Boomslang and DF (3 vs. 7 respectively). On the other hand, we have Spacedaisy who was the only other player voted for someone else after DF got his 7th vote, but she voted DH, so if DH is working with DF, I doubt Space is too.
So for me, it's either DH or SPacedaisy, and I stand by my initial assessment that one of the early voters for DF could be a baddie (most likely #1-4)

linki: Juliets, I was asking you

I looked at the low posters and those who haven't posted in a while and at the time they last posted:

Hedge-never
Sabie, Lizzie and Lorab - 1/8
Mongoose- 1/11
LC-1/12

Seem like it was LC and Mongoose that were silenced.
It's weird that three people stopped posting on the same day. Do you all think it's a coincidence?

linki: Isn't that obvious? Why'd you feel the need to say it?

zeek wrote:Epi, what time should we expect a night post? Wondering whether to stay up or not.

Is the night over?

zeek wrote:For anyone who hasn't voted yet, I would like to propose we go for an early DF voter. I believe TH to be civ, but he voted very late.

I was contemplating that myself, but I was also thinking that an earlier to middle voter could have used the knowledge that DF had negative votes and voted for him planning to change it later if it comes down to it. But when DF started getting all the votes, taking off one vote wouldn't have helped him anyway, so they left the vote.
I remember there was at least one person who said that if something changes their mind, they'll change their vote. Like they were preparing the excuse for later. I just don't remember who it was. Maybe Juliets

Roxy wrote:FZ - I got to be honest I did not like your last minute push to get people to unvote DF. When asked who else you would consider voting for you said Snow Dog. Which is the part I did not like bc even if you and the others would have moved to Snow Dog there would have still been enough votes to lynch DF. So why Snowy in that instance when it would have made zero difference in the lynch outcome? Why not DH or LC or anyone else that had votes already vs someone who ha none.

You're answering your own question. If it was about saving DF, I would have voted for someone who already had votes and tried to convince others to join me. For me, when I see so many votes on one person, it freaks me out and I second guess myself. That was all it was. I asked about Snow because I genuinely wanted to look at everyone and feel sure about who I vote

Snow Dog wrote:
FZ. wrote:I also think Snow Dog is flying under the radar. This is no where near how he played in Cars. What's people opinion on him?
What does flying under the radar actually mean? I have been posting. I'm not hiding.
Cars was a different thing altogether. I had btsc with a civ partner so i outright came out and defended him. That is not the case this game. When the game thins out and if I'm still here you will probably see me more vocal. At the moment I am clueless. My position in most Mafia games recently.

Well done DF voters btw.

Yeah, someone said you were like that. I don't remember playing with you much other than Cars, so that's my reference point. So I guess others know better.

Elohcin wrote:Wait...we're voting by PMs this time. That makes it easy for baddies to blend. I guess we'll have no real info from tonight's votes.

Epig, I was wondering, would we know how many votes each person got, without knowing who voted?

Yay! Go us

I'm kind of offended that no one even considered giving me the helmet after I was the first one to call DF a baddie on day 1 and even encouraged you all to join my vote back then

That said, I don't want to get these things. I have no idea what to do with them. So I'm good with giving it to TH or Timmer

DFaraday wrote:Well, that escalated quickly. Go baddies!

FZ. wrote:Do you think DF is the kind of person who would be bummed at being a baddie twice in a row?
Yes.

I had a feeling. I think that it influenced your game. And I can relate because I hate to be a baddie, and when it's two games in a row, I really hate it

I guess there's nothing we can do now but wait. I'm going to sleep. It's crazy late

linki: Agreed.

Night

MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote:I bet one of the people posting now is a baddie. Question is who...
What do you mean?

I can't recall; what do you think of DH?

And teammates can only control so much.

I mean one of those debating things with us recently.
DH seems more civ to me at the moment, but I have no freaking idea

linki: when I'm a civ, I think a lot less about what I have to lose than when I'm a baddie

wouldn't his team mates push him to come and post?

I bet one of the people posting now is a baddie. Question is who...

Thanks for linking the post.
We have less than 10 minutes, and no idea. Looks like it will be DF. I can't say I feel confident about that lynch. I really hope we did good

linki: Thanks Bea

Did I miss Bloop explaining her vote for LC?

Also, like I said a few times, I think baddies would rather vote early than late (and change later if necessary), to not look like they are bandwagoning.

linki: hmm. Then I have no idea.

I also think Snow Dog is flying under the radar. This is no where near how he played in Cars. What's people opinion on him?

There isn't even a contest between two players

So with said, do we still leave the vote on him?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote:Isn't it weird that this whole game the votes have not been very spread?
It has.

What do you think that means?

makes me worried. Maybe it's easy for the baddies to join because we keep going after civvies.

Isn't it weird that this whole game the votes have not been very spread?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote:I don't remember. What was the back and forth between them?
It started with this vote from LC:

Long Con wrote:
reywaS wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Humorous antics are an often effective way to deflect suspicion in the early days of mafia games.
Can I assume since you responded with this 7 minutes after I voted for metalmarsh that this is directed at me? If it was directed at me, I must ask what makes it a humorous tactic? Why is it a humorous tactic as opposed to any legitimate attempt at playing the game?
I didn't read DH as specifically targeting you with that statement. You seem to me to be jumping to the defensive pretty quickly... especially since I didn't find your vote for MM particularly humourous or... antical?

Anyways, that made you my best choice for a Day One vote. *votes reywaS*
Essentially, LC thought rey was unnecessarily defensive, something I personally would argue is relatively characteristic of rey's game.

Oh yeah! stupid me, that was the reason I started suspecting him in the first place.

I guess I'll join the DF vote, though there's a part of me still hesitating. Do you think DF is the kind of person who would be bummed at being a baddie twice in a row?

linki: Pfft, I voted for DF on day 1....(now if he flips civ I'm going to look very stupid after saying that

)

I don't remember. What was the back and forth between them?

And LOL to Russ showing up exactly after we were discussing him. We should have talked about a million dollars

MovingPictures07 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:If someone can correct me re: Boomslang, I'm all ears. But frankly, while I have no idea what his alignment is, he has consistently read genuine to me and I do NOT get the suspicion on him at all.

The only things that have made me nervous about Boomslang are a lack of suspects/baddie hunting and his ignoring of answering certain questions/posts occasionally.
I agree.
MP, you said earlier in the game that you trust Rey, right? Or was it Russ? Has any of that changed?
I get that Rey is manipulated somehow, but he can do what he's doing now for posts of people he thinks are bad. I mean there's a way to baddie hunt even in that situation, and I don't see him doing so. All he's doing is posting replies to things that concern him
It was rey, yeah. Really it's just because all of the posts he has made have come across as genuine to me.

That said, I was looking VERY much forward to hearing what he had to say today, especially re: suspects.

I understand what you're saying, but if in his position why not just wait until the curse is over? How much can you really say about someone? And we don't know what his curse stipulations say.

Not defending him, but I don't see anything wrong with giving him until N3 or D4 to see what he thinks.

Do you suspect him?

And I have no opinion of Russ, though I really want to hear from him. Especially since he voted for me N2 for the wand but didn't really explain it.

I don't know. When things like that happen to me, I can't wait to voice my thoughts, and I try to convey them any way possible, so when someone just does what he's doing, it strikes me as weird. I don't plan to vote for him yet, but it's an easy way to get out of having to contribute. I don't remember anything substantial from him all game. Was there anything you remember?

MovingPictures07 wrote:If someone can correct me re: Boomslang, I'm all ears. But frankly, while I have no idea what his alignment is, he has consistently read genuine to me and I do NOT get the suspicion on him at all.

The only things that have made me nervous about Boomslang are a lack of suspects/baddie hunting and his ignoring of answering certain questions/posts occasionally.

I agree.
MP, you said earlier in the game that you trust Rey, right? Or was it Russ? Has any of that changed?
I get that Rey is manipulated somehow, but he can do what he's doing now for posts of people he thinks are bad. I mean there's a way to baddie hunt even in that situation, and I don't see him doing so. All he's doing is posting replies to things that concern him

Turnip Head wrote:
FZ. wrote:I find myself agreeing with almost everything that's been said in the last page or so and the following people: TH, Timmer, MP and Bea and zeek. I doubt we're all perceptive civvies who've found the baddies in LC, DF and DH. I wish that's the case, but experience has taught me, that when there's this consensus about who the top suspects are, it turns out bad...meaning one of those I agree with the most is just playing us. I wonder which of those I mentioned is going to be that baddie. For the time being, I find myself trusting those the most.
This is exactly how I'm feeling at the moment as well, with the exception of Zeek who I've picked up no vibes from. These are all reasonable people, especially when they're civvies, so maybe the fact that we're all in agreement is a good thing. But I'm sure there's at least one baddie out there who's already fooled me.

The other thing I want to say... I don't agree with the DH suspicion, and Timmer doesn't have an opinion on DF yet it seems. I think LC is the only suspect that all of the above people you mentioned have agreed upon.

Oh, okay. Not sure what to think of DH myself. What Made said about him was interesting, but I can't say I feel comfortable voting for him either at this stage

Has Roxy posted this day? Maybe she was silenced

I find myself agreeing with almost everything that's been said in the last page or so and the following people: TH, Timmer, MP and Bea and zeek. I doubt we're all perceptive civvies who've found the baddies in LC, DF and DH. I wish that's the case, but experience has taught me, that when there's this consensus about who the top suspects are, it turns out bad...meaning one of those I agree with the most is just playing us. I wonder which of those I mentioned is going to be that baddie. For the time being, I find myself trusting those the most.

Both LC and DF have started out being my top suspects on day 1 and I backed off because with LC, his frustration with DH seemed like a civ frustration (the sort I find myself feeling when I'm wrongfully accused). With DF, the suspicions is still there, though not as strong, so I think that might be my preferred vote, but he's gaining a lot of suspicion lately, so I'm still thinking about it. Could be he's gaining it from the other baddie team though.

By the way, TH, did you not see that I said all the things you said? Did you see and choose not to say you agree with me? And is it good that you agree with me? Because everyone tells me my logic is flawed.

I'm going out. I'll be back later

Turnip Head wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:The llama suspicion being weak, and the subtle defending from Bass and TH (and possibly others, I can't recall specifics and its too late atm to go fishing)

I do recall Bass making a post along the line of "I see the case on Made, but can we really afford to pull the trigger?" and TH's support of Made is well documented.
You call that subtle defending? lol I was pretty outspoken about it. I absolutely believed we should not lynch Made based on yesterday's "evidence". I think it was ignorant to vote for Made without considering all points of view. I stated a few times that Made could still be a baddie, but not for the reasons that people were voting for him. That said, I've felt good about Made in all his recent posts so I'll continue to subtly defend him because I think he's a civvie.

DharmaHelper wrote:Logically, in a game like this and in actual detective work, etc, it makes the most sense to start with the larger picture and work your way down into smaller chunks that are easier to analyze.

For me, the most logical "chunk" to analyze is llama voters.
That might be the most logical chunk for you, DH, but I don't see the logic in it at all. I actually think that most of the Llama voters were civvies who felt Made was being wrongly accused by Llama and others. Possibly a baddie or two in there since the votes were so focused on two individuals. But I don't think there's any reason to analyze the Llama voters over the Made voters, UNLESS Made is a baddie. And we'd have to lynch Made to find that out, and I don't think he's a baddie, so... unless you get Made lynched, and he then flips baddie, unless that happens then I don't see how we can possibly walk down this line of logic.

In fact, I feel much more compelled to look at the Made voters than the Llama voters. Some people probably truly believed Made was lying, but I think others were aware that they could hop on that bandwagon without looking too suspicious. Made clearly made waves on Day 2 and I can see the baddies in their chatrooms salivating at the opportunity for an easy lynch.

Don't go there. Been there, done that. No one listens...

I really have no idea who I'm going to vote for. I feel there are too many players not active enough, and the fact that there was so much chaos surrounding Made's forced vote did not help things much. I think it just made it easy for the baddies to blend in.

I have a few questions:
1. I noticed a lot of Dom's posts end with a question of the "can you see how..." type. Is that what he normally does? Because I don't remember that. I was wondering if people might have input on that.
2. LC and Made both felt very strongly about DH, yet I haven't seen either of them pursue that strong feeling recently. I have to wonder why. Is it that they backed of because it didn't work for them because people were not following, or did they actually change their mind and if so, why?
3. Any thoughts concerning Mongoose?

I would really like to hear more from Roxy, TH, Mongoose and all the rest that have kind of disappeared.

reywaS wrote:
Dom wrote:What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?

Dom wrote:What does everyone think of my thoughts on Rey and Timmer? Rubbish?

So is this a smiley curse?

Dom, I don't think we can say much about Timmer, but the whole thing you suggested is something I really hope baddies don't do. I like baddies that actually try to play and look like they are baddie hunting. So even though some baddies actually do nothing and let everyone else do the hard work for them, my default is to think that people who so obviously don't contribute and don't even try to hide it, are civvies. Could be wrong, but I hope not.

DharmaHelper wrote:Well we can ping and pong this back and forth all we want but I think the crux of it is "Different strokes for different folks."

I find what I find suspicious, you evidently do the same.

Apparently

That said, I think that the whole Made thing has kind of sidetracked us. It's made me focus on those who went after him, making him unjustifiably appear more like a civ. Now that it seems as the doing of an independent role, it brings Made back to being a suspect just like everyone else, but without him having to do anything that would make him squirm when pushed to the corner. Too bad

DharmaHelper wrote:
FZ. wrote:RIP INH.

Timmer, I hope things get better. Sadly, I can relate, even though I hope what you're dealing with is very different from this. Fucking cancer has taken 2 close friends recently and is now threatening to take a family member from me. So this game is a struggle for me as well. Sometimes though, it's a good escape from RL. I think that's why I keep playing.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Roxy wrote:DF - why limit yourself that way? Do you think that every person who did not vote llama is a civ? Or vice versa do you think that everyone who did not vote either Made or llama is good?

In essence what I am seeing DH and now you are saying is that I, a llama voter, should be scruntinized more bc I did not try and lynch Made. it just feels wrong to limit yourself in this way.

Actually, thats kind of exactly what I'm saying. I understand I'm unlikely to convince you that looking at a group of players that includes yourself is a good idea, but check my logic/thought process out:

Logically, in a game like this and in actual detective work, etc, it makes the most sense to start with the larger picture and work your way down into smaller chunks that are easier to analyze.

For me, the most logical "chunk" to analyze is llama voters.
I'm not fully caught up yet, but I just needed to address this post. Since we now know Made was not lying, at least about what every person who voted for him voted for, then your reasoning sucked, and if anything, this just proves what I said before. That since the voters for Made had a more "solid" reason to vote for him, it's much easier for baddies to bandwagon on that lynch then it was on llama's.
Taking into consideration that there are two groups of baddies, and the fact that we know civvies make mistakes and lynch other civvies, I see absolutely no reason to assume that there are more baddies on llama's list then there are on Made's.
And that's even without assuming Made is a civ. If he turns out to be a civ, I'd say the odds of finding baddies on Made's list are even higher
Since the reasoning for voting for llama was weak (apart from it being proven false), it'd be equally as easy for baddies to bandwagon onto him. By what you JUST posted, you've proven my point. You say the odds of there being baddies that voted for Made would be higher if we was proven civ? LLama *was* proven civ.

No, what I'm saying is, a baddie would be much more concerned in voting with what would appear as "solid" evidence, than a civ would. And the reason for voting llama was allegedly weaker, because there wasn't any "evidence". So I think if a baddie had to vote for one of two who weren't on his team, he'd vote for Made. And if Made is a civ, there are two teams who'd be more likely to do that. Hence the higher likelihood of finding baddies on the Made list

RIP INH.

Timmer, I hope things get better. Sadly, I can relate, even though I hope what you're dealing with is very different from this. Fucking cancer has taken 2 close friends recently and is now threatening to take a family member from me. So this game is a struggle for me as well. Sometimes though, it's a good escape from RL. I think that's why I keep playing.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Roxy wrote:DF - why limit yourself that way? Do you think that every person who did not vote llama is a civ? Or vice versa do you think that everyone who did not vote either Made or llama is good?

In essence what I am seeing DH and now you are saying is that I, a llama voter, should be scruntinized more bc I did not try and lynch Made. it just feels wrong to limit yourself in this way.

Actually, thats kind of exactly what I'm saying. I understand I'm unlikely to convince you that looking at a group of players that includes yourself is a good idea, but check my logic/thought process out:

Logically, in a game like this and in actual detective work, etc, it makes the most sense to start with the larger picture and work your way down into smaller chunks that are easier to analyze.

For me, the most logical "chunk" to analyze is llama voters.

I'm not fully caught up yet, but I just needed to address this post. Since we now know Made was not lying, at least about what every person who voted for him voted for, then your reasoning sucked, and if anything, this just proves what I said before. That since the voters for Made had a more "solid" reason to vote for him, it's much easier for baddies to bandwagon on that lynch then it was on llama's.
Taking into consideration that there are two groups of baddies, and the fact that we know civvies make mistakes and lynch other civvies, I see absolutely no reason to assume that there are more baddies on llama's list then there are on Made's.
And that's even without assuming Made is a civ. If he turns out to be a civ, I'd say the odds of finding baddies on Made's list are even higher

Since MP is the winner anyway, I'm going to give my vote to a person I suspect less. That would be....Bea. She's asking questions that seem very perceptive in my eyes, and I like the way she's acting. Let's hope I'm not wrong

linki. Maybe you should vote yourself and some people will move their vote. Not that I know of any reason not to vote MP, but the last thing zeek mentioned made me a bit worried

bea wrote:
FZ. wrote:
zeek wrote:I'd prefer Dom to have the wand over MP. I just feel as though if this was Who MP would be all over Made right now. So I'll switch to Dom if he has a better chance at the wand.
You have a point there. MP is the king of "he slipped- he's a baddie". No matter Made's alliance, civ MP should have been all over him.

Bea, yeah, I'm passionate. I make mistakes, but I don't think I make them more than any other player (I'll just remind you that while I was suspicious of you and trusted Kitty, you and Roxy were suspicious of me and trusted Ash). I just take them to heart more. I really hate lynching a civ, hence my strong apology before.

linki: good question. I think the only person he voiced suspicion for, was DH, and it was strong
I don't think you make them any more than any other player either. But I think passion can sometimes be misconstrued as having nefarious reasons and I wanted to point out the difference. yea - we were snowed by ash. They did a great job of divide and conquer in that game!

I know what a passionate civ you are. I've seen it so many times. I know you really do feel badly when you are a civ and you lynch another civ. I didn't want that point to go unnoticed. Especially when people who are less familiar with your play style were starting to suspect you for it.

linki - blooper! hi! How's it? What do you think about everyone else? Who are you trusting most obviously besides MP since you just voted him? - Who are you trusting least? Why? What do you think about what's been going on? Cuz things are going on now...

linkie more - zeek - do you mean that you think trust in dom is less/more than it should be vs trust in mp? or LC?

Oh, Okay. Thanks, I appreciate it

At this point, I have a vote, but I don't know who to give it to yet. MP has barely been here. I don't get the trust everyone is showing toward him. Not saying he's a baddie, but what has he done to gain that trust? Dom, I started out suspecting him but lately it's gone down. Still, not enough to make me give him the vote. Anyone else will just be pointless.

linki: I've played a few games with MP lately where he was all over someone who allegedly slipped, and wouldn't hear anything else. Once he decided it was a slip, he was on a crusade. Maybe it's different this time because he read it after it was analysed and not "live", I don't know.

zeek wrote:I'd prefer Dom to have the wand over MP. I just feel as though if this was Who MP would be all over Made right now. So I'll switch to Dom if he has a better chance at the wand.

You have a point there. MP is the king of "he slipped- he's a baddie". No matter Made's alliance, civ MP should have been all over him.

Bea, yeah, I'm passionate. I make mistakes, but I don't think I make them more than any other player (I'll just remind you that while I was suspicious of you and trusted Kitty, you and Roxy were suspicious of me and trusted Ash). I just take them to heart more. I really hate lynching a civ, hence my strong apology before.

linki: good question. I think the only person he voiced suspicion for, was DH, and it was strong

zeek wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I think FZ makes very good points. I didn't vote Made simply because I don't see the logic of his actions if he was bad. Plus he seems to be a player that people are always suspicious of. Having said that I don't know who to vote the wand to.
Exactly why I think this makes more sense if Made is bad. He's used to getting suspected and going out early. I think he's just rolled the dice and tried something different.

I just think most people are giving him way too much benefit of the doubt.

The thing that bothers me the most is the part where Made asked Epig if he can share it and he said yes. The default here is no. Made knows this too. Just by telling us this, it automatically makes people suspicious of him. If I'm were a baddie, this is something I just wouldn't do. Again, only reason to do so is to gain something that is not at face value. Gaining credibility as a civ is just not worth it, and the fact he got so many votes is a proof of it.

linki: Agree with it all

Mongoose wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Recency mostly! I had just responded to zeek and then Dom seems Timmer is another I'd consider.

I feel so nebulous on nearly everyone. A lot of people haven't said much still. There aren't a lot of people I'd straight up oppose actually, but I'm still a nervous horse about trusting people so early on.
Wait, what? You never explained why you trust any of these people. I and Dom both asked you and you explain nothing here.
I don't have concrete reasons that I can point out. At this point, it's just vibes on those people. The people I don't trust however, those reasons are a bit more tangible.

Who are the people you don't trust and what are the reasons that are so tangible?

zeek wrote:Can we all just acknowledge how much emphasis Epi puts on game balance? Good, now lets think about how Boddy hasn't blackmailed Made, because Made could not tell us if that had happened... cool, now lets think about an unknown blackmailer whose blackmailing can be revealed. Seem fair? Seem balanced? Not in my opinion.

What if Boomslang is a baddie and this information somehow helps the baddies by making Boomslang look better? Just one option which would make it "balanced" Also, I was thinking that the way it was said or how Made said it was said, doesn't necessarily mean it was forcing a vote. What if it was a message just to mess with his mind? Could be so many things. The way people just used it as an excuse to lynch him without considering any other possibility made me think at some point that the person who was being saved was llama and not Made.

I messed up that post

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