The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Seriously though, as soon as I found out K4J was mafia I was like "FZ has to be civ then, no way two mafias would defend each other like that".

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I don't blame you, I would think the same. In fact, I usually spend my time fighting with the other mafia when I'm bad. Like I said, this was the first time I did that. It's almost never worth it. For example, at the end of the game, Epi looked at the people Glorfindel listed as highly civ, assuming Glorf was bad, and it made him more suspicious of MM. That's usually how people react. Especially on this site, but in other places as well. If I were in his place, I would think it's unlikely they were both in the same team, and would look at those Glorfindel rated medium or low. That is why I usually go head to head with those on my team. The thing that worked in our favour was the fact K4J was NK by something we didn't really get, and not lynched. No one was interested in his connections. That, and I think almost no one suspected him, so it was easy to defend him.


I've seen people say the civvies had better odds at winning this, and lost anyway. While the mafia-town ratio really took me by surprise at first, I'm not sure it didn't work in our favour. If you have more night kill options, or other potential deaths, it's easier to hide in the shadows. When you have a big group of baddies and you're trying to prevent being associated later on, while at the same time trying to make sure they don't get lynched, you're more likely to be caught at some point. In this case, it was like looking for a needle in a haystack. Likelihood of lynching a civvie was so much higher than lynching a baddie, that when I was involved in so many civvie lynches, it wasn't really suspicious.

In conclusion, as much as I'd like to give ourselves all the credit for this win, and I think we did play a good game, civvies shouldn't be hard on themselves, because the odds are more complicated than they appear.

Epignosis wrote:I've literally lost all contests today. Football was utter shit. I don't see why Mafia should be any different.

okay, I'm out. Thanks for the great game, everyone!

Epignosis wrote:I don't understand why in God's name a civilian would use the Juicy Gaggle Juice on anyone. I got hit with it twice. MM got hit with it once he said I was faking (Typhoony did that).

I don't either. Waste of a pikmin if you ask me

Spacedaisy wrote:I knew he was Charlie since I was gathered by him and when he died I was no longer in a party. I also knew Wilgy was Olimar and that one of DDL K4J or Glorf was Brittney the same sort of way. I was in each of their parties at one point or another.

Linki @ Epi: I was trying to say you already said I thread what my role was, without blatantly role outing. And I knew Boom was good by his posts, it just clearly read civ Boomslang to me.

I didn't even know you were told you were picked up and by who. Silly me.

The most fun I've had as a baddie in a very long time.
I really enjoyed being way too melodramatic at the last stages Sorry for that. I was sure you were going to call me on it, but I couldn't stop myself

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Dammit. Dammit. Dammit.

Should have trusted your alcohol induced frustration Epi.

Why did you have BTSC Epi?

Typhoony was Charlie and got a thing from a cave or some damn thing.

who did you have SD pegged as? How close were you in your spreadsheet?


linki: Wow, cool treasures!! How many did they get? My favourites were the jokes. I really enjoyed your stories Epi. Yours too MM?

Purple Pikmin. I was right about her. I don't know why she would tell me I KNEW she was good though. And I can't imagine why she would say she knew Boomslang wasn't bad.

Because she thought you were bad? No idea about the second one.

Typhoony almost killed me ? Good thing we killed him

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Dammit. Dammit. Dammit.

Should have trusted your alcohol induced frustration Epi.

Why did you have BTSC Epi?

Typhoony was Charlie and got a thing from a cave or some damn thing.

who did you have SD pegged as? How close were you in your spreadsheet?


linki: Wow, cool treasures!! How many did they get? My favourites were the jokes. I really enjoyed your stories Epi. Yours too MM?

Since I made so many mistakes as a civ in the last few games, every time I led a civvie lynch, it just felt like a natural continuation


linki: thanks SD! I was finally a baddie here. Now people can know how I really play as a baddie
And wow, that's impressive

Epignosis wrote:Nice job FZ. Typhoony and I had already said in BTSC that if you were bad, we were okay with you winning. Thanks for playing the game.

Thanks I feel bad about lying like that and having your trust. I hate being bad. But this was fun.


K4J and MM, you were great team-mates. Was the first time ever I defended my team! You made it easy to defend you


Great game MP! Wasn't sure to the last minute we were going to win this.

Spacedaisy wrote:frankly, I don't care about your opinion of me, I'm not out to win you trust. I'm trying to figure out who I should not be trusting. And didn't Alex's answer make it pretty clear that while that was his original intention he has gone easy on the participation, in other words he has allowed team PMs after all...

Yeah, but even as it is, it makes no sense that Simon could still win this, because MP said he couldn't, so what would be the point now to keep him alive? The game should end. Which means, he isn't the last baddie. Or I'm misunderstanding something

Okay, fair enough Epi.

So what does this mean? If Simon is the last baddie, and can't win with his faction, wouldn't the game be over now anyway?

Spacedaisy wrote:It makes sense if Simon is the Phisbat and the team was allowed to have anyone send in their kill and specify who is carrying it out. In that case Simon would not have used his particular ability but could have still had his boss character carry out the kill.

Question is, and you two know MP better, say a player is not playing, would he feel bad for the baddies and let them carry on instead of him? Maybe that's the reason why he said Simon won't be able to win with his faction. Or maybe it's not related. My head hurts.

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi I swear I am going to kill you if you have fooled me.

Does this look maybe like a person who knows what the answer will be?

OMG, I don't know whether to be happy that we finally got one, or to be pissed that there's still another one alive.
Epi, are you sure Simon wouldn't just send in kills? This seems weird

If they had two, why not use all their votes?
This doesn't make sense

But if he has 3 votes and the fog, you're still a gonner. Let's hope that's not the case.

did I make it on time?

I lost connection, for crying out loud

Spacedaisy wrote:No I really am trying to figure out who is bad.

So you think Epi is shamelessly contradicting himself just to see what sticks?

Epi, you have a point about MM. I'll wait to hear what SD has to say and make my decision. Real shame Simon isn't here

Spacedaisy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If I'm right about everything else in my spreadsheet, FZ. has to be the lone Mafia.

I realize that comes out of left field.

Oh really Epi?

I was wondering where you disappeared to...

Epi, do you think there's a chance both of them are bad?

Spacedaisy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:FZ: Yeah well I felt the same thing about you and him and only slightly less confident about MM. Now here we are.

Linki @ Epi: real life took precedence, it is what it is. And I am good. You know that.

I don't know that. If I did, I would vote MM and be done with it.

So you now feel like FZ is civ?

Let me ask you this: Gun to head, if you had to choose just one baddie, who do you think is bad?

MM, get your ass back here right now, mister
If by any chance you're good, you might lose us this game

I'm going nuts here. i don't know who to trust any more

Spacedaisy wrote:FZ, what are your feelings on epi

He was the one I was feeling most confident about being good. Why should I not trust that?

Both of you are not helping. You're both saying you don't trust any of the others. Wow, big help. Maybe you two are both the baddies together

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:MM, what do you think about SD?

I don't have any thoughts on her, except, it seems she's been as MIA as I have.

What do you think about SD?

Linki: I'm not Charlie.

So who do you think is bad?

Spacedaisy wrote:

FZ. wrote:Spacedaisy, why didn't you vote last day?

Because I got wrapped up in work and preparing for my I laws to visit and missed the poll end.

Okay. The deadline is in 45 minutes. Who do you think we should vote for and why?

But if what you're saying about MM is true, than why weren't you lynched that day?

I'll be back in a few hours.

This is ridiculous. We haven't heard from two players in 2 days and it's at the stage of end game. How are we supposed to make a decision here?

Epi, is Simon planning on every posting or voting, or has he just dropped the game?

It's weird that she's not here. I don't know what to make of it

MM, what do you think about SD?

Reading the roles again, if this phosbat is the last baddie, not only does he have 3 votes, but there could be another 2 votes on someone if he used the fog tonight, assuming it wasn't used twice already. Which means, this is practically useless. Unless one of us has a vote worth more than 1, the lynch is already sealed. Maybe they're just waiting for it to be close to deadline. Does it mean the game is over?

Epignosis wrote:FZ., unless you've done a stellar job fooling me, MM and/or spacedaisy are Mafia. Simon isn't Phosbat, as I've demonstrated.

No, it's not me. Kind of wish it was. I wouldn't feel so stupid. I need to go, but I'll leave you with some questions:

1. You said you thought you knew SD's role. Do you not think this any more, or are you not as sure?

2. Between the two, who do you think is more likely to be the baddie.

By the way, I guess this means K4J was also a baddie. I'm impressed. He completely fooled me. I thought I was good at reading him. I guess we had more luck than brains this game, LOL.

MM, and SD, what do you have to say in your defense? I'd like to hear each of your suspicions, and SD, like I asked, why didn't you vote last day?

Okay, I'm going to sleep.

RIP Typhoony :-( I really enjoyed playing with you. I hope we do it again soon

It would have been nice if they killed someone less talkative. Why are baddies always killing the active people. It's cowardly.

Spacedaisy, why didn't you vote last day?

I was expecting to come and find the day had started.
Well, at least no one is dead yet...

This is actually better for me, because I'm busy. Take your time, MP. Sorry for it ruining your plans

I won't be here until tomorrow evening. I wonder if SD or Simon felt comfortable avoiding this lynch because it had two townies involved and they knew it.

If I die tonight, I think it's either one of them, or MM.

WTF? RIP Agleaminranks. I can't believe we were wrong about you.

Epignosis wrote:If I'm right about everything else in my spreadsheet, FZ. has to be the lone Mafia.

I realize that comes out of left field.

You're wrong Epi! I don't know how your spreadsheet looks like, and I suck at spreadsheets, so I don't have one, but I know you've got something wrong. At this stage, it shouldn't be too hard for you to figure out my role...I think.

Okay, I'll vote too. No one seems to be coming on, and I need real life sleep.

We can go with Algeaminiranks and if the game isn't over, and there's another baddie, and we were at least right about him, we do better homework and look at his posts and his connections

Typhoony wrote:

FZ. wrote: If he wasn't and is not working with MM, who could be the last baddie with him, if there is one? I feel like we need to tie all loose ends here.

I think Simon would be the most likely to be bad then.

Epi thinks he's good. He thinks SD is good too, so we're not left with much. Unless there's only one more baddie left. I hope that's true.

Epignosis wrote:

FZ. wrote:Okay, I'm caught up.

I'm not really sure what to make of MM's vote. I get it, he wasn't here, it's the holidays and he's busy. But since he was here to vote, I wish he'd tried a little harder. Epi, would you say this is any easy way out vote, or real lack of time to invest and a decision to save himself over you? What is MM more likely to do as a civ, and as a baddie?
I do want to ask MM one question though, if you get back here today: You were pretty suspicious of Epi most game, and it looked like the curse made you change your mind. At least it appeared that way when you voted for someone else, I forgot who it was. Would you say you're still suspicious of Epi, or is it only to save yourself? Because let's face it, if it's the latter and you're a civ, that's a pretty lame thing to do at this stage of the game.

If I'm being honest, I think MM's sudden vote for me makes him look better, not worse. I don't believe he'd phone it in like that if he were bad.

Okay, thanks. I really need to go in a few minutes. I'll probably join your vote, but I am hoping people will come on and post. I'm giving it 3 more minutes

Okay, I'm caught up.

I'm not really sure what to make of MM's vote. I get it, he wasn't here, it's the holidays and he's busy. But since he was here to vote, I wish he'd tried a little harder. Epi, would you say this is any easy way out vote, or real lack of time to invest and a decision to save himself over you? What is MM more likely to do as a civ, and as a baddie?
I do want to ask MM one question though, if you get back here today: You were pretty suspicious of Epi most game, and it looked like the curse made you change your mind. At least it appeared that way when you voted for someone else, I forgot who it was. Would you say you're still suspicious of Epi, or is it only to save yourself? Because let's face it, if it's the latter and you're a civ, that's a pretty lame thing to do at this stage of the game.

As for Gleaminranks (I swear, I have to look up his name every time I want to print it), if he is bad with MM, did they plan to vote for Epi in advance trying to distance themselves? If he wasn't and is not working with MM, who could be the last baddie with him, if there is one? I feel like we need to tie all loose ends here.

Okay, I'm reading back

So you think MM and Agleaminranks are the left baddies?