The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:Well I'll also add that I thought FZ and k4j were on the same team, I just thought they were civvies

I miss you, TH! Hopefully we will play a game together soon.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Phew! I think that's just about everything. If any of you have questions, shoot them at me.

I'm very glad all of you decided to play this. I was really excited to run it, especially to see how the cave mechanic worked out. It was really tough to figure out how to balance, but I think it went well. I am super curious as to everyone's feedback, but especially the protagonists, because I'd love to expand this game into a full game sequel.

And congratulations to the mafia! You all played a great game.
How did I die? I can't find it lol
DDL (Brittany) found a Bomb Rock after defeating the Calcified Crushblat and used it to NK you.

Oh, ok.

Thanks!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Phew! I think that's just about everything. If any of you have questions, shoot them at me.

I'm very glad all of you decided to play this. I was really excited to run it, especially to see how the cave mechanic worked out. It was really tough to figure out how to balance, but I think it went well. I am super curious as to everyone's feedback, but especially the protagonists, because I'd love to expand this game into a full game sequel.

And congratulations to the mafia! You all played a great game.

How did I die? I can't find it lol

YAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSS
Good job FZ and MM!!!!!!! I couldn't have asked for a better team!
Thanks MP for hosting such a fun game.

Thanks for the game MP!!
It was nice to play with you all.

Wow. This really sucks.
RIP Matt.

Glorfindel, personally I don't find FZ suspicious. Usually I am pretty good at reading her. We think alike, and so agreeing with most of her thoughts has been a good sign to me. Even though for some she was wrong like with Zebra, at the time of her vote I could see why she suspected her (and I too myself did). As far as your other suspicions, I do have suspicions on Boomslang and DrWilgy, but not by the process of elimination method.

I'm Voting Matt now because I've gotta go.
Hopefully I'll be back before deadline, not sure what all I'm doing tonight though

FZ. wrote:Oh, and a few more questions:

1. Why is Glofrindel voting me? You people have a weird way of playing this game.

2. K4J, who is your top suspect now that Scotty is gone?

3. MM, since you've been voting for Epi, what do you make of his change of heart regarding Simon? Do you have any other suspicions besides him?

I'm also a little pinged by the fact agleaminranks came in, said RIP and how Epi's story is one of his favourite jokes. That's all you're going to say?

My main suspicions besides Scotty were Typhoony and DrWilgy.
Typhoony made me feel better last day because he voted for Scotty rather than tagging along to whatever the majority was for the purpose of making sure there was a clear winner in the votes (which I had suspected him for). Now, I don't know what to make of it since Scotty was a civilian. But I have trouble faulting him for his vote because I suspected Scotty very heavily myself and they were for similar reasons too.
I just explained my thoughts about DrWilgy in my post towards Epi. His absence really isn't helping
I think that Epi also has a good point about Boomslang. As for Matt, I was beginning to suspect him last day for his votes that seemed to be weak. At least with his suspicion of me he has something with material, but I think that his suspicions are a reach, he was simplifying my thoughts to make me look bad. Like with the Scotty and Daisy comparison. For one, Scotty and Daisy had different circumstances around their suspicion of Simon (Scotty was suspicious of Epi yet willing to listen to his opinion). Also he made it sound like that was the only reason I suspected Scotty when there was much more to my suspicion.

No, I didn't miss your post FZ. I was responding to it, I just wanted to post the first part because I saw you thought you were alone. And now I just lost my response to you, so I have to rewrite. I'll try to hurry.

Epignosis wrote:So I'd like to know why I took the votes I took.

Epignosis
4
Boomslang (8), DrWilgy (12), Metalmarsh89 (15), Scotty (20) 17%

++++

Boomslang voted for me because I wouldn't answer his question. This doesn't mean he thinks I'm bad- it just means he's annoyed, and he's willing to stay annoyed. His latest post says he is going to be distracted (future tense) but says "I don't think anything happened (past tense) that would have changed my mind regarding the guilt of that one." Boomslang is forfeiting a Day phase of conversation to go ahead and vote for me and bounce. That sounds like a Mafia dude who had a hard time killing me and needs me lynched.

++++

DrWilgy is voting me again for no reason.

DrWilgy wrote:Don't got much time today. I'll break this tie with a vote on Epi in the meantime.

DrWilgy wrote:Man, I drop a tiebreaking vote for shits and giggles and this happens? I'll try to catch up in the meantime.

DrWilgy wrote:Can we lynch Enrique next?
I don't understand why he's voting for me after apparently being bewildered that "this" happened.

++++

MetalMarsh89 I won't even pretend to try to understand. Lynch him or don't lynch him- makes no never mind to me.

++++

Scotty voted me mostly to save himself (though he did harbor suspicion of me). Scotty was good, and I'm sad he is gone. So I'm going to comment on Scotty's voters too:

Scotty
6
kneel4justice (10), Dragon D. Luffy (14), Typhoony (19), Epignosis (21), Enrique (22), Simon (23) 26%

++++

k4j wavered on his suspicion of Scotty, but it was consistent with the Day 2 vote. Hard to find fault there.

++++

DDL I still think is good, so passing him by. His reasoning for voting Scotty looked solid to me at the time.

++++

Typhoony also seemed genuine in his Scotty vote, but Typhoony always draws Mafia roles, so

++++

Epignosis voted Scotty to save his behind (and because Scotty voted him, whereas Matt did not).

++++

Enrique's dead.

++++

Simon voted for me and then voted to save me. I guess I made him laugh with my jokes. I don't find the boy suspicious anymore. I think he's a good kid, in real life and in this game. If he were bad, I think he would've sunk me and nobody would have faulted him for it.

++++

So out of the above voters, Boomslang is my new number one man, and I have voted accordingly. Boomslang is trembling behind a shoddy reason for voting me. I think he's happy I didn't get lynched last time, because he has a "safe" place to put his vote today. I wonder what his vote is worth right now.

I was beginning to wonder if I was making a mistake defending you, because while I did not agree with the reasons you were being suspected for, and didn't think that you'd throw Simon under the bus as mafia, I didn't see anything that truly convinced me of your alignment. But this post makes me feel reassured.

I do find it strange how you've been voted for, for ignoring questions, when I am pretty sure it is something that you do as a civilian. So I don't follow that logic in suspecting you. While I wasn't convinced that is bad because it can be off-setting, (I'm not familiar with these players experience with you - have you played a lot with Boomslang and algleaminranks?) I think that you bring a good point about Boomslang. The part of not thinking anything happened is an odd way to put it.
I'm also still suspicious of DrWilgy. He has not been very active lately, which is not making me feel any better. As I've said before, I feel the majority of his focus was on Sig/Simon/Epi - and hopefully I am not wrong in thinking that was blown out of proportion by the mafia (as I don't find you or Simon to be suspicious enough for that attention).

What do you think of Matt?

Matt wrote:k4J - Who's a baddie between you, Glorfindel and Simon? Or are there none?

Well Matt, I am not bad.
As for my opinions on these players, I've given them. I don't particularly find them suspicious.
Is it possible that Epi is correct about Simon? Yes. But, I would think that Simon would be capable of doing a better job as bad in terms of not posting something that makes him sound like he has teammates. Perhaps I am giving him to much credit, but still personally I don't find his posts suspicious.
As for Glorfindel, I find most posts to come across genuine. The only thing that caught my eye was using Zebra to back up the suspicion of Sig. I was obviously off about Scotty so I might need to be rethinking those who I felt better about, but I still can't say I'm really suspicious of either of the two.

RIP Enrique and Soneji

Matt wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:Yay, no death!
Typhoony wrote:
kneel4justice wrote: Although, I do not like Typhoony's vote at all. Seemed like the vote just chose the person with the most votes and for no reason on top of that.
What's wrong with that when you don't have time for an informed vote? Much better than a random vote in my opinion.
Because...you voted for a civilian, and essentially had no reason for your vote other than it going along with the majority. The way I look at it, near the end, zebra seemed rather town - but with a vote like yours, it made it more difficult to stop the lynch. It makes me wonder if there was a reason you wanted to better ensure zebra's lynch, such as your teammate being another candidate at the time. In this case you favored zebra's lynch over Enrique's, but did not give a reason? I just do not follow the logic.
Per the underline, you suggest Typh was trying to avoid his teammate getting lynched. The following sentence you even speak of how he voted Zeebs over Enrique.

But whatevs, I'm just a cute, innocent Pikmin, trying to survive this crazy life.

Welp..I did actually forget that the vote came at a time where those two had the majority. But still this was more me finding the vote suspicious and explaining reasons why it was suspicious since I was asked what was suspicious about it. As far as me being convinced that those two were teammates, that wasn't the case. Overall I had found them suspicious for individual reasons more than a connection

Matt wrote:k4J - What is your current opinion of Enrique? You went after him at the very end of Day one because you thought he was "taunting" Zebra. Then he explains, you say "cool beans". Then later you say you could go either way on Enrique. But then at another point you suss Typhoony for his vote on Zebra Day one, asking if he was trying to save a teammate. You mention Enrique as the other viable lynch candidate that day, thus you must be linking Typhoony and Enrique as teammates. Then you suss Typh for awhile but for some reason, that suss has died down as well. So I suppose you think Enrique is good to go?

Also k4J - You went after Scotty pretty hard for...well what seems to be because he voted Simon on Epignosis' say so. Yet what's weird af, is you seem to think Spacedaisy is good to go (and you've said as much yourself) DESPITE her also going after Simon on Epignosis' say so.

What up with that?

First, I never said that I suspected that Typhoony and Enrique were teammates. Those suspicions were separate. Certainly they would be if both bad, but that was not what I was getting at. I just found both of their actions suspicious
I admit that the vote for Enrique was not the best move looking back, but at the end of the day after Zebra did her gambit, I was fairly certain that she was a civilian and thought Enrique's posts towards Zebra were scummy, specifically the one where he said she had 15 minutes to save herself, because at the time I didn't get why he was saying that when he did not appear open to changing his mind. As for my current opinion, I haven't given him enough looking at outside of the Zebra thing. Nothing stuck out
I suspected Typhoony because I felt he was relying on vote mechanics to excuse his voting rather than actual suspicions. That happened the first 2 days, but during D3 he seemed willing to actually go out and take initiative against Scotty (who I felt was scum, so naturally I felt better).

Also...Daisy and Scotty are not the same player. I don't understand these kinds of comparisons. They did not post the exact same content. Daisy has come across genuine to me in her posts with her questioning and explanations, despite the fact that I disagreed with the suspicion of Simon. While I was wrong, Scotty's suspicion of Simon seemed scummier to me because he also was saying Epi could be bad, but looked to be relying on Epi's opinion for Simon, in my opinion. And that was not the only reason I found him suspicious either, that was paired with him going after Sig very early on for reasons I didn't like (Sig saying he would not vote for Simon b/c he laughed at his joke).

And here I was taking pride in myself for not making the mistake of being part of the other civilian lynches.
RIP Scotty. Sorry that I was wrong about you.

agleaminranks wrote:Double post, but I'm not sure I like how dodgy Epignosis has been with regards to answering any questions tossed towards him.

To you & Boomslang I believe, I think that is just how he is. Would not take it as an indicator of alignment, no matter how inconvenient

I almost forgot to vote before my final, lol.
I might be back before deadline, but no promises.
For now Iwill be: Voting Scotty.
Because he is really the player who has given me the most suspicions & personally I would like to find someone other than Simon or Epi. Typhoony made me feel better for now, and while I am suspicious I cant vote with as much confidence for DrWilgy at the moment...also Matt is acting weird but it seems intentional so maybe that is just how he is??

Epignosis wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:Hey, what do you think of Dr. Wilgy?
DrWilgy's great. He helped me out so much. I was once involved in a bad fire that scorched my eyelids, and my eyelids had to be amputated. Worried that I wouldn't be able to blink, DrWilgy assured me that he would simply take skin from my genitals and provide me with eyelids. The procedure was a success! The only problem is I'm now a little cockeyed.

What?

Well, I don't understand or find what he's doing to be very helpful, but I don't have anything to compare Matt to. Is he usually like this?
About Dr. Wilgy, yeah it sucks because I cannot find much comfort in voting someone who isn't around. But like I've said I find him suspicious because he focused on Epi/Sig/Simon and not much else

FZ. wrote:Cake is in the oven! Where is Eloh when I need her
What did I miss?

Hey, what do you think of Dr. Wilgy?

Typhoony is making me feel better for the time being. I like that he is starting to take initiative rather than following the majority. So I think I'm willing to let up on that suspicion for now. Also the fact that he is going against Scotty leads me to believe I am wrong about at least one of them.
I was actually kind of being persuaded by Scotty's more lengthy posts, but I know that scum are capable of writing those, and the vote analysis could've just been something he felt would make him look more contributing.

Also, what about Dr. Wilgy? Don't think he has posted this day phase, unfortunately..
Matt is your vote a joke?

I need to figure out what I'm going to do because I've got a final during deadline, first I need to go return my books though

Matt wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:Matt, if you know your case against Glorfindel is weak, then why do you suspect him? Or was it not that serious? Is it simply because of Sig's suspicion and the fact that he had a meta?
Personally, I don't find Glorfindel to be scummy. I was pinged by the fact that he was kind of piggybacking on Zebra's suspicion after she died, but everything else has seemed ok to me. It reads genuine, I think the play-style (while I wouldn't necessarily agree with it) comes down to personality rather than alignment. I agree with DDL's ISO
Unlike some of you, I don't have any prob with Glorfindel's play style whatsoever. I just have a feeling he's bad. Am I wrong? Quite likely, I'll give it a random 73% chance of being wrong. But I dunno. Something about him screams baddie.

k4J - During this game, even if he were bad, would you ever in a million years categorize Simon as a "mafia mastermind" ? Yeah me neither. So why is Glorfindel arguing against the case on Simon by saying "I don't believe he is a Mafia mastermind". Very interesting.

I thought that was referring to the idea that Simon/Epi were teammates, and she didn't see Simon being part of that because he is not a mafia mastermind. But still, I don't find the comment suspicious. Not sure how to explain it. There's just a lot of thoughts from Glorfindel that I don't necessarily agree with but they come across genuine

Typhoony wrote:Who would you vote kneel4justice?

Sorry! College socialization struggles...made me disappear lol

Anyways, as for who I would vote for. Part of me wants to say Scotty because I have been most suspicious of him, and have the most reasons. But, I'm a bit hesitant because I don't want to be tunneling, but I do think he has done the most questionable things.

But I am also suspicious of you (Typhoony), for which I have explained your voting method this game could be a way for you to bandwagon with the voting manipulation as an excuse to fall back on..

Also Dr. Wilgy because when I was looking back on him, he focused very heavily on Simon/Sig/Epi and nothing else. I think that's a big problem, especially since I don't really agree that any of those people were suspicious.

Those are probably my most suspicious people ATM

Matt wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:Here's a question for everyone: If you had to vote someone other than Simon or Epi, who would it be and why?
Glorfindel
Daisy
DDL

That's ironic.

Matt, if you know your case against Glorfindel is weak, then why do you suspect him? Or was it not that serious? Is it simply because of Sig's suspicion and the fact that he had a meta?
Personally, I don't find Glorfindel to be scummy. I was pinged by the fact that he was kind of piggybacking on Zebra's suspicion after she died, but everything else has seemed ok to me. It reads genuine, I think the play-style (while I wouldn't necessarily agree with it) comes down to personality rather than alignment. I agree with DDL's ISO

Spacedaisy wrote:Linki @k4j: I agree with all your thoughts but one. I did not vote Simon because I think he has a lack of understanding. I think what Epi was saying is he knows his son, and knows he has a hard time lying because he takes things and speaks literally so he seemed to be saying he thinks Simon's wording indicated his confusion was due to that side of him, which would seem to say he was likely bad. I don't think Simon's grasp of the game is in question, he's a sharp kid.

When you say that you agree with my other thoughts - does that include my suspicion of Scotty? Quite a few players have mentioned being suspicious of him, yet no one has really seemed willing to make a move, which I guess is because the focus has been on Simon/Epi/Sig.

Here's a question for everyone: If you had to vote someone other than Simon or Epi, who would it be and why?

Anyways, thanks for trying to explain the bit about Simon..honestly, it sounds contradicting to me (because I feel like he understand the concept of the game so he would better hide the fact he has teammates if he were scum), but quite a few people seem to have that thinking, so perhaps it comes down to me just having a different way of thinking. While I don't particularly agree with the suspicion of him, I don't find you suspicious for it.

Matt wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Matt wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Can you please explain the reasoning there?
Yes. 2+2=4 therefore since sig is civ, and if Simon is bad, then Glorfindel needs to go.

But I'm also cool with skipping straight to lynching Glorfindel if everyone else is up for it.

Also, Enrique, what do you think of Boomslang's "I'm not down for lynching Simon...yet" Ha!
I didn't ask you to repeat yourself I asked you to explain it. I am willing to listen to any case, and if there is some logic there I might be swayed, but simply saying if this person is bad and this person is civ then this other person must be bad. I need to understand what you used to draw these conclusions. Because Glorfindel did not vote Simon?
Been there done that. I make up huge cases, they subsequently get ignored.

Spacedaisy, is there a reason you do not want to lynch Glorfindel? I'm beginning to think your readiness to lynch an 8 year old yet your continuing momma bearing of Glorfindel is suspish.

Oh, I forgot that Glorfindel was the player that Daisy did not want to be randomly lynched D1. So this comment makes a bit more sense taking into account that. Still, don't find Daisy suspicious. Why openly defend a teammate like that? Perhaps if the numbers were actually looking bad for Glorfindel. But still, asking to hear your thoughts on this connection to Simon is not suspicious to me, because it seems a very random thought.

Scotty wrote:Well that sucks. I'm sorry you were the Dragnet's breakfast, Sorsha.

It's almost time for me to look at voting patterns to get a better read on several people. Just gonna pick 3 people. Still a tad early to draw worthwhile conclusions, but whatever. I'll make pizza out of waffles.

1) Typhoony.
Day 1: votes zebra toward the end of phase
Reason: She looked like she was getting the most votes so...bye, felicia!

Day 2: vows to be more informed, was pinged by me (but doesn't push it), and votes sig.
Reason: thinks it's a bad idea to siphon the votes out. Doesn't buy sig's claim that he intentionally dug his own grave.
Typhoony wrote:I'm saving my vote to create the biggest distance possible between Simon and Sig. I'd very much prefer a Sig lynch fwiw, but a close lynch is a useless lynch in this game imo.
He again pushes the idea that more votes need to be stacked on one player. He votes for sig when he has 6 votes- a margin of 3 with Simon- no mention of Simon before this.

Now he has doubted the validity of Epi's suspicion of Simon because he would have to trust Epi. This makes him uncomfortable.

The guy has latched onto the big trains in the first few votes here. His reads have been minimal (he still has less than 20 posts) and so far his reads have been wrong.

My read: He is playing a blendy game so far, and I don't like his reads/voting thus far. I've got my eye on him.

Typhoony's votes are definitely pinging me. I understand wanting to make sure that votes are set up in a way where manipulation will less likely to come into effect, however it feels like this has taken priority over actual suspicions and I don't like that. Granted he was suspicious of Sig, but I do think the votes have been following the majority wave a bit too much/conveniently. Also it is strange how he felt your (Scotty's) vote for Sig D1 was weird, but still voted for Sig...despite being suspicious of you. Being suspicious of some of the Sig voters (such as you) is one reason I could not get behind the suspicion

RIP Sorsha.

Sorry for not being active throughout these last 24 hours, Scotty.
I just tried to catch up - noticed I had missed your response to my vote. To clarify, your explanation for voting Simon over Epi did not put me at ease, because I feel Simon is the much easier option. If you had actually trusted Epi, that would be another thing. However, you voted for Simon (partially) because of Epi's sureness, meanwhile you thought he could be scum. I do not follow that logic.
Also, your comments about tunneling do you no good in my book. It is like when people tell me I am not giving them a chance, when I am. If you give me things that make me feel better, then I will feel better, but if you give me things that I find suspicious, I will continue to be suspicious. And last day phase your vote for Simon was only adding onto my previous D1 suspicion, as I have explained.

As for comments on the new things...
Would like to hear from Matt about his suspicion of Glorfindel because I have no idea what he is talking about. I thought it was odd, but he's promised to prepare a case, so we will see. I do think his questioning of Spacedaisy was odd, like are we not supposed to wonder about a baseless suspicion?
Spacedaisy's posts have come across rather genuine to me. Trying to get to the bottom of things by asking questions. She also doesn't seem to back down in her actions (like when she voted for Simon).
I feel like people are not giving Simon any credit at all for thinking that he would slip up like that when asked about Sig being on the same team (originally I did read it like, he thought sig was good, but then his response seemed like not) but seriously, I feel like the suspicion of him implies he does not understand the concept of the game. And he's played before, so, I'm sure he would know not to admit to having teammates. Yes the word choice could have been better, but again he is younger.

Will go see if there is anything else that I missed.

RIP Sig.

Okay, I've gotta hurry up and get to studying because I have places to be later, so I am going to go ahead and vote now in case I can't later
Voting Scotty
Because he's my strongest suspicion. Today only reinforced that with his favoring of Simon's lynch over Epi's. I just find it convenient that he was apparently rather open to the idea of voting both, but went with the clearly easier target. His 'defense' (which I didn't feel there was much of, honestly) didn't make me feel any better about his actions. A few people saw same things that I was seeing with him so hopefully that means I'm onto something and not getting caught up. I'd suggest people actually give this option some thought.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Let's do the thing I proposed myself:

Wilgy: the guy seems to be playing similarly to how MM does. Which is really weird. He asked some useful questions in the game, and shows some mild interest in hunting baddies, but his methods are questionable. I don't get his exercise, it looks like an attempt of spotting protagonists, and honestly I think we should avoid that. I guess that's a neutral read.

FZ: I liked her way of playing until now, she has been agressive yet considering all options. Not much to say other than a civ read.

kneel4justice: similar to FZ, but with a bigger post volume. His posts are huge, he talks about everyone, he seems to be changing his opinions a lot. Also he voted Enrique but I haven't seen him talking about Enrique a lot in this day 2? Do you still read him as mafia? Anyway, he is playing the kind of game a baddie could hide behind, but that's a longshot. For now, slight civ read.

Metalmarsh: Between him and WIlgy, I think Wilgy is being the more productive one. MM has said barely nothing useful. But he looks suspicious every single game. That said, I've seen him make some productive posts before, and his last few seem to be an attempt at that. I need to see more. Neutral read for now.

My vote was on Scotty (And would have preferred that but that wasn't going to stop Zebra's lynch), but last minute I changed it to Enrique because I starting seeing Zebra as a civilian (after she explained how her comments about the lynch of Simon/Sig would not give us baddies was actually a gambit - and I believed that because as scum it would have been a pointless move and only further cemented her lynch). One of Enrique's posts read to me as taunting (where he had said she only had 15 minutes to save herself, I found that suspicious because he at that point clearly wasn't changing his opinion). Later he explained that it was in reference to her changing her vote and noticed that the vote manipulation wasn't in play, so I was able to better understand the post. So as far as my opinion on him now, it could go either way.

Typhoony wrote:
kneel4justice wrote: Maybe it was just the game mechanics, but I still think there is the possibility of there being an agenda behind your vote. No way to tell, for now.
What about Scotty's posts pinged you?
What game mechanics are you talking about?

Couple of small things pinged me about him during my skim:
- His talk about really disliking Day 1, even saying he would possibly advocate a no Lynch if the option were there.
- His sig vote was weird. He said he thinks Epi is on to something and votes him, and later says he voted Sig for a separate reason than what Epi brought up

By game mechanics I was referring to role manipulation powers.
And thanks. I wouldn't say the dislike for D1 is suspicious (I think that just comes down to preference of players rather than alignment) but I was pinged by his vote for Sig as well

Glorfindel wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Also, about this part of your post:
Glorfindel wrote: I'm not going to claim that I'm particularly good at this game but I know someone that is considerably more experienced than I and this is their assessment of the above...

a2thezebra wrote:
sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?
Hahahahahaha you better be lynched tomorrow.
This concerns me, because you're using a dead player's opinion. I hate when I am dead and people do that (typically mafia, in my experience). Just because zebra is a good player and now confirmed townie does not mean she is right in all her opinions.
Well, she was dead right in her reading of me (something that appears to escape a number of you) so forgive me in having a little faith in her ability and skill at this game.

Glorfindel wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:Okay. I'm in two mindsets about Sig currently. If you were to have asked me after zebra's lynch what I thought about him, I would have definitely thought he was suspicious. Specifically the way he moved on so quickly to entertaining the idea of an Epi/Enrique partnership. When he suspected Enrique, it came immediately after I had just suspected him for taunting zebra (which I now would take back after he clarified what he meant by his post). But I was definitely pinged by that. So I started thinking in hindsight that maybe I was wrong not to suspect him...
But the problem is, I don't really like this whole Simon/Sig theory. Unfortunately it is difficult to judge Simon's statements about being on the same time (going from I think so, to no). But the fact that some suspicion started for something as simple as Sig saying that he wouldn't vote for Simon due to him laughing at a joke...that is ridiculous to me. Which seems to be part of the whole teammate theory. Like, those types of things are common on this site, plus - I can definitely see Sig just being nice to Simon, making him feel welcome in the game. So I feel like people who are using that (like Scotty had - are making something of nothing.

But I don't agree with the Epi suspicion. I am surprised that so many people are suspicious lol. Last game I played no one dared suspect him (admittedly, I was wrong about him being bad but still). I just see what Epi has done as a personality factor. Not something that is going to determine his alignment. As far as I am concerned, he's done similar tactics as civilian, and is probably more than capable of doing the same thing when bad. So really I need more time, I don't think his actions favor an alignment. But then again, I doubt he would gun for his own son as mafia.....like I think FZ was trying to say..then again, he's Epi. He strikes me as the type to want to show his dominance lol
So what you're telling me is - you believe Sig's theory about an elaborate plot hatched (by Epi and conceivably Simon) for the sole purpose of eliminating him from the game? I've played enough games with Sig to appreciate that he is as cunning and conniving to be capable of doing anything to win but this conspiracy theory of his seems utterly fanciful to me. I also don't like that he spent a large portion of the first Day phase publicly sniping at Zebs in a way that seemed to me to be advocating her lynching 'from a distance'.

I would not agree with that idea but I am not convinced that it comes from a bad place.
I just better read your post where you confronted sig, and I see where you're coming from. What comes difficult is that I see some things as suspicious, but I also saw people that suspected sig for reasons that do not seem civilian and that is where it is hard to determine my stance, because if I am right in suspecting them, I doubt they'd be teammates with sig.
I'm trying to remain open to ideas, because somehow this site catches scum at times and I still don't know how they did it

Also, about this part of your post:

Glorfindel wrote: I'm not going to claim that I'm particularly good at this game but I know someone that is considerably more experienced than I and this is their assessment of the above...

a2thezebra wrote:
sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?
Hahahahahaha you better be lynched tomorrow.

This concerns me, because you're using a dead player's opinion. I hate when I am dead and people do that (typically mafia, in my experience). Just because zebra is a good player and now confirmed townie does not mean she is right in all her opinions.

Sorsha, what is your opinion on Epi's opinion of Simon? Do you think they are teammates or that Epi is trying to take advantage of his own son?

Also - is it normal for Scotty to gloss over accusations as scum or civ? because he focused on my post about how people were treating Simon but not the one about why he chose Simon over Epi

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Hey guys, since kneel2justice complained about we focusing too much on the same few players, and I kind of agree with him, I propose a little exercise.

Anyone who has time for it: tell us what you think of the following people. Those are all people I have seen little talk about in this game, so they could potentially be slipping under everyone's radars.

Drwilgy - He is only mentioned when people are referring to the Sig/Simon debacle, but what do people actually think about him?
FZ. - Epi said he thought she was town. Does anybody else have any opinion about FZ?
kneel4justice - Ironically, he is a good example of what he said himself. I don't think anyone has said anything about him in this game. Come on, people.
Metalmarsh - Okay this is Metalmarsh so people ignore him and his antics by default... but maybe we shouldn't?

I've skipped the ones who have little to no posts, since not talking about them is excusable, but all those players I mentioned have a lot of game presence but very little discussion about them.

Okay well I do think it is important to look at people who are not getting attention but besides stating the facts, you didn't really give your opinions on these players, so what do you think?

I have not paid much attention to Dr. Wilgy just because he has not done anything to catch my eye and since I don't know a lot of these players, some tend to slip by in the beginning. Looking back at his posts, I think it is questionable that he has mostly posted playfully in D1 and his serious material has been about Epi/Simon/Simon. So I do think there might be something there. I do not know his prior games to compare this with anything though - did someone say he is usually more involved? Or am I getting him confused w/someone else?

For FZ unfortunately she has not been here as much as I wish just due to timezones we've not gotten to interact as much with the 24 hour days, but I have agreed with most of the content she has posted so far which is usually a good sign.

MM has just been very playful but I am not familiar enough with his style to make a judgement, and while I prefer people be more serious, it is a common approach not to be on this site. I did want to ask MM if his vote for Epi is serious and why he is suspicious of Epi.

Linki @DDL, well I appreciate you giving your suspicions at least on other players, Makes me feel better

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Personally I have little confidence on my read on him, and I'm going on this vote mainly because I want to confirm Epi's theory (and I have a civ read on Epi right now so it's not that risky), because this lynch could be very informative, and because who knows, maybe other people talking about Simon could lead to useful evidence.

He doesn't seem like the kind of player who we will ever be able to get an accurate read on, since he is, well, a child. So Epi's personal read on him might be the best we can get, and so I'd rather get this oer with now than later.

I'm open to changing my vote at this point, but I don't have confident mafia reads on anyone so I'm not doing it for now.

Well what are your other suspicions?
I am looking back at your posts and you seem to be heavily invested in the Epi and Simon topic of discussion, and the fact that you're relying on Epi's opinion gives you an easy way out if Simon were to flip civilian. Do you suspect Simon for any reason other than Epi's suspicion of him?
And I know that Epi's opinion does hold some more value since Simon is his son, but still that does not guarantee he is correct. So I am wary of people who are so willing to follow

Scotty wrote: I wonder where Simon ran off to, and if he intends to respond to his accusations.

See, it is things like this that are so weird to me. Like, what do you expect him to say? This is a difficult position for me to judge, because of his age. I bet it is difficult for him too. I do not know how to take his differing statements about being on sig's team or not being, because I am not sure how he plays/how advanced..I want to treat him equal, but seriously with this kind of pressure, it just seems like people are expecting a lot out of him and I'm not sure that it is fair to do so.
Though maybe you all have experience with him so know what to expect? It just strikes me as convenient that people are going after him. Am I being naive or what

Typhoony wrote:
kneel4justice wrote: Because...you voted for a civilian, and essentially had no reason for your vote other than it going along with the majority. The way I look at it, near the end, zebra seemed rather town - but with a vote like yours, it made it more difficult to stop the lynch. It makes me wonder if there was a reason you wanted to better ensure zebra's lynch, such as your teammate being another candidate at the time. In this case you favored zebra's lynch over Enrique's, but did not give a reason? I just do not follow the logic.
I didn't know if Zebra seemed rather town, I hadn't read her posts well. I just voted her cause she was one of the two people with the most votes.
Day 1 votes are usually very spread out, which makes it an easy lynch to manipulate. I made it less easier to manipulate but making the vote less spread out. Beats throwing away my vote if you ask me. I'll actually be around today so today you will get an infomed vote

Anyway, I skimmed the thread quickly, I was pinged by some of Scotty's posts.

Epi, You say sig is bad, you also said the same thing in World Reborn. How is his play here different than his play in that game?

Maybe it was just the game mechanics, but I still think there is the possibility of there being an agenda behind your vote. No way to tell, for now.
What about Scotty's posts pinged you?

But yeah, still most suspicious of Scotty, I would say.
Last day I was suspicious of him for his suspicion of Sig because I do not think he had a valid reason (he suspected Sig for saying he would not vote for Simon). It also followed Epi's post..which made it feel bandwagonish to me (just on the idea, I know that Epi did not vote for Sig).
Anyways today he has pinged me a bit as well with his statements about Epi/Simon/Sig. He seems to really want to focus on that situation and honestly I feel like people are focusing on that way too much. I understand that sometimes it is townie logic to say, there must be a scum in here. But, when he placed his vote on Simon and said that he might later change to Epi, I found that to be strange because he originally said he'd be flabbergasted if they were both scum. So - I thought it was weird that he'd vote for 1 of them when still suspecting the other, I'd think he'd want to bring more clarity to the situation before placing a vote since he didn't think both were scum (though in response to my questioning last night, he did say it was a possibility). But I also think that voting Simon first before Epi was the easier target, because Epi would definitely provide a harder pushabck

Linki @Scotty: Yes my top suspect is you. Not suspicious of Enrique for the time being but I did want to go look back because he and zebra had went at it. But not sure that I will get the time to do that

Okay. I'm in two mindsets about Sig currently. If you were to have asked me after zebra's lynch what I thought about him, I would have definitely thought he was suspicious. Specifically the way he moved on so quickly to entertaining the idea of an Epi/Enrique partnership. When he suspected Enrique, it came immediately after I had just suspected him for taunting zebra (which I now would take back after he clarified what he meant by his post). But I was definitely pinged by that. So I started thinking in hindsight that maybe I was wrong not to suspect him...
But the problem is, I don't really like this whole Simon/Sig theory. Unfortunately it is difficult to judge Simon's statements about being on the same time (going from I think so, to no). But the fact that some suspicion started for something as simple as Sig saying that he wouldn't vote for Simon due to him laughing at a joke...that is ridiculous to me. Which seems to be part of the whole teammate theory. Like, those types of things are common on this site, plus - I can definitely see Sig just being nice to Simon, making him feel welcome in the game. So I feel like people who are using that (like Scotty had - are making something of nothing.

But I don't agree with the Epi suspicion. I am surprised that so many people are suspicious lol. Last game I played no one dared suspect him (admittedly, I was wrong about him being bad but still). I just see what Epi has done as a personality factor. Not something that is going to determine his alignment. As far as I am concerned, he's done similar tactics as civilian, and is probably more than capable of doing the same thing when bad. So really I need more time, I don't think his actions favor an alignment. But then again, I doubt he would gun for his own son as mafia.....like I think FZ was trying to say..then again, he's Epi. He strikes me as the type to want to show his dominance lol

Scotty, I am confused - can you clarify: do you or do you not think the Simon and Epi are teammates?

Yay, no death!

Typhoony wrote:
kneel4justice wrote: Although, I do not like Typhoony's vote at all. Seemed like the vote just chose the person with the most votes and for no reason on top of that.
What's wrong with that when you don't have time for an informed vote? Much better than a random vote in my opinion.

Because...you voted for a civilian, and essentially had no reason for your vote other than it going along with the majority. The way I look at it, near the end, zebra seemed rather town - but with a vote like yours, it made it more difficult to stop the lynch. It makes me wonder if there was a reason you wanted to better ensure zebra's lynch, such as your teammate being another candidate at the time. In this case you favored zebra's lynch over Enrique's, but did not give a reason? I just do not follow the logic.

Enrique wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Enrique wrote:Zebra, you have 15 minutes to not die. Unless by some miracle you knew the votes were skewed in your favor.
What is the point of this post? It sounds threatening/taunting.
The baddies have poll manipulating powers. I got confused by Zebra switching her vote for me when it could've saved her.

Gotta admit I had a tiny heart attack when I realized the deadline had passed, opened this thread, and saw you vote for me. I'm so over that shit. *shakes fist at Tree Mafia*

ugh rip zebra. I'm used to agreeing with you a lot, but this time I think you got it all wrong. I'm sorry.

Thanks. I didn't realize that this was in reference to her changing her vote, I can better read its tone now.

I'll be back later. Hopefully I can find some time to reread too

sig wrote:So guess Zebra wasn't scum.

I could buy a Enrique/Epi team.

Not gonna lie, this is a bit concerning..why Enrique? Why teammates with Epi? I need to reread to see if you were suspicious of himself prior to now, the last bit of the day was crazy and fast. But it feels like you just selected his name because I just suspected him myself. And I would think that after you were just proven incorrect about zebra, you might be willing to reconsider Epi? So, please explain this more in depth.

Well, that sucks.
Sorry we didn't get to play longer together, zebra. One of these days..

sig wrote:I'd rather lynch Epi today, but a Zebra lynch is good to. If she flips mafia or civ my opinion of Epi won't have changed that much.

linki: why Enrique?

I don't think Zebra is bad, because she she did was pointless and suicidal, if she is. And based off people with other votes, I felt that Enrique was the most suspicious based off the taunting tone when he told zebra she had 15 minutes to save herself. And I didn't think that you were bad, so I didn't want to join in lynching you

Voting Enrique. Zebra & Epi, I think should follow

Enrique wrote:Zebra, you have 15 minutes to not die. Unless by some miracle you knew the votes were skewed in your favor.

What is the point of this post? It sounds threatening/taunting.

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