The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:I had a fleeting thought that Lizzy was being honest when she came right out and said she was bad.

Thanks for a fun game, sorry Kate & I were not totally present. We had opposing win conditions, which kinda took the luster off of being partners, neither of us much wanted to do the betrayal thing. After she died, I kinda lost track of who i won with, lol, so i was trying to play for the civs. Sorry K4J I really did think you were bad.

I knew Nevin was bad, but not till after K4J was gone, so there was not much to be done about it I knew i was being lynched, with Lizzy voting for me every lynch. Kate knew Roxy was bad, too, but I think she was winning with the baddies that day, so she just kinda shrugged it off

I needed out of this game! I was playing horribly!!! I think due to the time I was able to put into it...........not a lot. I'll think twice before signing up for two games while I'm extremely busy. Lol but now I've at least tried it and have a feel for multiple games at once.

I'm very impressed Lizzy! At the end of the game when I was reading, I didn't know what to think about you but you were putting forward a lot of effort.
Congrats to the baddies.
Thanks for the awesome game Llama and Mongoose!

Image comes from The Set-Up (1949)

Wow...I look so dumb now...................good job Roxy smh lol..............

I voted SVS I almost forgot to vote I am used to this ending an hour later

Hedgie, what happened to suspecting me for voting for FH?

I can't say I feel comfortable voting for Roxy. I did not really like her suspicion of Epi but that was about it.
With SVS I thought she was playing both sides as far as opinions on Dom and did not want to lynch Dom, plus the suspicion of Epi, I just don't feel good about her. I feel like I suspect her every game but she's been scum every game I've played with her, Lol! Most likely my vote is going there although not sure I trust myself to make a decision. smh

Roxy wrote:Sorry TH I did trust my suspicion I am sorry I was wrong.

Hedge care to elaborate?

K4J I play the same every where. I tend to be more involved on Ksite bc of the amount of posting you all do. I will. put suspicions out if I am suspicious and I do it every game from the beginning.

Ok thanks for the feedback.
So do you still think timmer is good?

Most people on the poll I have no opinions of. I doubt this is good..

Hedgeowl wrote:RIP Kate and EVe!! This is looking bad with 10 players alive and 8 dead and at least two maybe three baddies left.

Looking at TH voters Kate and EVe were just killed and probably civ, leaving Roxy, SVS, timmer and k4j. Of those 4, k4J is the only one who voted for Dom when i went back and checked the polls. I almost voted Roxy yesterday, but went back to K4J, but i will revisit SVS, timmer and Roxy for sure. I had been starting to think civ thoughts for Svs, but need to remember why.

The only thing I have noticed about Roxy is that right away she was suspicious. When I did that in past games on this site people accused me, is she normally like that over here? I did not think much of it since she is involved over on KSITE but I want to make sure there is no difference I should know about. Feel free to comment on this yourself, Roxy! (I want to call you Tricks so bad).

As far as SVS, I remember being suspicious of her because of her interaction with Dom. I am no where near confident anymore about my choices this game, but it did seem like SVS did not want to vote Dom if I am remembering correctly. Also did not like her suspicion of Epi it seemed weird to me, just as Doms did. So I think there may be a connection there.

And now I don't know how I am going to be comfortable making any decisions for the rest of the game I am not used to being wrong

Sorry TH, you know I enjoy playing with you so I am sorry to mislynch you. All I can say is I thought I had good points.

"Well well well" sounds like a pissed scum. And I know townies can be pissed too.
Desperate because you tried to suspect me for invalid reasons such as me not giving an opinion on you or something like that. And giving up, you know because you admitted it.

Lol I have my own book from my early games but it's retired now. Do what you want, I don't mind unless you try to make me look bad. I just found your statement scummy. Other than that I hadn't really paid much attention to you since I have a lack of time.

timmer wrote:I've got a hunch I know who the LD is (not someone I've mentioned trusting, up to this point, to protect them) and they are free to check whoever they want of course, but my point to K4J is that I'll notice if there is a shift in someone's opinion of him in the near future. (The same goes for others as well, but I found it pingy that he had refrained from providing a statement. )

I can't find the proper .gif to express how bad-scummy or townie-careless this post sounds.

timmer wrote:Sorry, that was to SVS.

And FH' vote WAS kind of scummy, it's why I voted for her, but it does stand to reason that there is likely at least one of Dom's teamies in the FH voters, K4J. If Dom's team panicked, and then there was FH's weird out of nowhere "yeah!" vote, it made sense as the one to jump on. From my own pov, either you or th or both of you must be bad.

I never said there wasn't a baddie amongst FH's voters. In fact, it's part of the reason I have chosen to vote TH instead of SVS.

Hedgeowl wrote:
I am happy to reevaluate depending on what happens in the lynch on TH. However, too many people have voted for him for my liking. So it's either baddies throwing him under the bus or he's a civ. Yes your vote for FH is suspicious just like TH and Timmer, that shouldn't be a surprise to you. It's that you led the switch to FH when Dom suddenly got 3 votes in a row. I agree TH was also suspicious following your vote after making the Dom case, but he's probably getting lynched today, so we will see.

Linki omg really? well first time for everything I guess...?

All I can say is if you compare civ FH to this game's FH there is a dramatic difference and I thought it was scummy. I saw someone who looked scummy voting for Dom and thought they were scum voting for a civ. So yep. But We will see, I personally think TH's posts are desperate and also give me the impression he gave up before the game was completely over. As a civ I do not think he would do that.

BTW Hedgie, I can't remember for 100% but I think you are the first to vote me since I have been on this site.

timmer wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
TBH all the I am civ statements just annoy me because if I do it as civ, I am gonna have to do it as a baddie and that is going to screw me over one day. But I am civ. Lol
Thank you. I'll be curious to see how certain people look at you tomorrow.

Um. That's kind of a shady thing to say for more reasons than one. And I am not going to participate in explaining why.

timmer wrote:Hey K4J, I just read through your posts, and you've done a fair bit of talking about the lie detector role, but you've so far not given a single statement ANYWHERE that would allow an LD to determine if you are good or not. Considering that you've mentioned the Ld role before, this constitutes a bit of a ping for me and I wish I had noticed this earlier.

Do me a favor, big guy. Tell us that you are a civ. Just like that. Preferably well before the end of the upcoming night?

TBH all the I am civ statements just annoy me because if I do it as civ, I am gonna have to do it as a baddie and that is going to screw me over one day. But I am civ. Lol

Hedgeowl wrote:
timmer wrote:Hey all, so reading back, I think I trust Hedge and would like to hear her thoughts on the gsme.
Aww, thanks Sorry I was not here sooner. I have been thinking about our LOST team with MR lynched the first day and you, TH, Dom, me, plus Rose and Bree as baddies. Since its possible that you and/or TH are on a team with Dom I have been wondering, with him threatened so early on, what tactic a team might take. I can't decide in a speed game if you'd throw him under the bus or make at least a save attempt.

Looking back at the poll from Day 1 Kate, FH, and I were votes 7,8,9 for Dom, so I imagine this cased some baddie panic with no viable rival at the time. K4j jumping on FH lined up one nicely, hence my suspicion there, but then TH and Timmer jumped on. Roxy stands out to me as well for her late vote on Metal, but since it was a tie it was a risk that Dom wouldn't die unless it wasn't a tie.

Roxy was spot on about Timmer in LOST, but if she's baddie too then I am not sure I would trust her instincts on this one. K4J voted Dom on Day 2, but I just don't know if that's a teamie under the bus move or not since it looked like DOm could be saved.

Votes K4j/b]

Linki - what really?? I was just about to vote Roxy. Lol.

You think I am scum because I voted FH? I guess there is nothing I can say to defend that. I was simply wrong. I still think I had a good reason for voting, and not sure why you are suspicious of me vs. the other votes but Ok Hedgie, Ok.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Kate wrote:So i went back and looked at the poll results and on day one these are the people who voted Flyin High. kneel4justice (12), Turnip Head (13), timmer (15). I think we can find a baddie in this group.

On day 2 K4J voted Dom, first. (Did we ever discuss the fact that Dom only had 2 votes and was lynched over TH?) So I think its least likely to be him.

Out of the other 2, TH has been more outgoing with his willingness to post LD statements and, added to that, Timmer's vote sure looks like a save of Dom. My plan atm is a vote for Timmer.
This right here was my thought as well about the FH voters. I was coming in here thinking I would probably vote K4j, but he's not of the poll, sooo...did I miss where we talked about that? I don't see a public role mechanic that does this.

Um lol why would you even want to vote me

Turnip Head wrote:Yes but no ones given a specific reason for finding me suspicious. Epi thought my vote for FH was suspicious but no one else has really cited that. No one has cited my tone as being suspicious either. Guess I just want people to explain what they see in me.

I am pretty sure I said I thought that your vote for FH was suspicious and that you seemed to have been working around voting for Dom.

Turnip Head wrote:Man. The votes against me honestly look like you guys have no logical reason to be suspicious of me. Just taking advantage of my name being tossed around to not discuss other suspects instead. If I do end up being lynched, I hope those that voted against me are held accountable for their votes. I'm being voted for out of convenience and because it means we don't have to talk about other players.

I don't agree with logical. I think my thoughts make sense. But I don't doubt you are an upset scum who really feels this way. Sometimes scum get caught based on faulty logic, it's annoying, I know.
Voting for you though.

Turnip Head wrote:Anyways, I'm suspicious of k4j. I think if he was a civvie he'd be more interested in talking to me directly about my behavior and things that I've done in the game in order to form his opinion about me. Instead he's only asked other players for their thoughts on me while not giving his own opinion. Testing the waters to see if there was enough suspicion on me to get me lynched.

Lol I did not even see this. You sound desperate.
I admit, I haven't had the time to be on and speak directly with you but I haven't spoke directly to many people. That's my fault but I fail to see how it makes you suspicious of me. Especially when I did give my opinion about you, why are you saying I did not? Also, I clearly don't need to test any waters, people are suspicious of you without my input. Oh and I replied and asked you because I wanted to see if you would say yes because that would give me something to think I am wrong about, but you didn't so I think you're scum still.

Turnip Head wrote:I also find it suspicious that no one tried to get to the bottom of what happened yesterday when Dom was lynched even though I had more votes. Dont people normally ask "TH, do you know why you survived?" None of that here. Just people voting for me without question. Which again seems like a baddie move.

TH, do you know why you survived?

S~V~S wrote:With one team, i think it is unlikely he is Doms teammate. Plus he was killed by Franz Kindler, who is one of the baddies

boo being civ is more questionable since he was killed by "???"

Oh. Whoops!!
I got Franz confused with Frank and thought a civ killed Epi.

S~V~S wrote:I am not surprised by this result, really. I expected one of two things; that boo would be nked cause i said i would NK him if i were bad OR that they would not, which would mean HE was bad himself. I am sorry he was killed this way. Also not surprised by Epis death, although, again, sorry it happened, and that i did not trust him earlier.

I will have more time tonight.

Why are you sorry for Epi's death? Did I miss something that confirmed him as a civ?

Interesting about the timing of that SVS. I need to go check.

S~V~S wrote:I said I waffle on Dom, he fooled the crap out of me in Shawshank, and I totally misread him in CAH. Plus I have known him since he was like 13 or so so it is hard for me to NOT fall for his sympathy act. I thought I was exceedingly clear after he was saved but before he was lynched. I did not know Doms role, we did not have BTS, I was not on Doms bad team. It is what it is.

What do you think about TH? I haven't really been able to keep up.

I am suspicious of TH and SVS because I feel as though they both worked around voting for Dom. It is hard to fault TH for thinking what I was thinking as far as voting for FH because I still think my argument against FH was valid after seeing the performance last game, but the problem was TH agreed with me rather than making the point and going with it. Or if he did make the point he didn't vote until I did, so that makes me wonder about him.

Yaaaaassssssss!!!!!!!
Sorry for not voting Dom Day 1.

Dom wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:I am a guy. Lol.
I am assuming the icon confuses people. Understood.

And to Boo & Dom, what I meant was that why make all those different statements rather than just saying one bold "I am not bad" statement? The other statements just give the LD something to be tricked by, IMO. Does that make sense, or nah?

I apologize for not being as involved. My life is crazy busy and this is the first time I have played 2 mafia games at once and I probably shouldn't have done that...........I don't know how you all do it. I really do not see what people see in Epi. I do not know who to vote between SVS and Dom. Maybe I am just not experienced enough with Epi.................but I still do not like their votes for him. I really do not understand it and they to me refuse to think otherwise...............since Kate is voting Dom, I will not split but also vote Dom because I would rather one of Dom or SVS lynched than Epi. Also have good vibes from Kate.
SVS kind of answered why.

And I havne't yet voted, K4J. .

Sorry, I thought you and SVS voted Epi for some reason. I suppose my vote reasoning sounds pointless. I just do not like what I have seen between you and SVS. It feels weird. What is your opinion of SVS, BTW? I am sorry if you have said so.

thellama73 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:I am a guy. Lol.
I am assuming the icon confuses people. Understood.

Does nobody read the gender guide?

That's what I was thinking lol. If it makes you feel any better, I use it.

I am a guy. Lol.
I am assuming the icon confuses people. Understood.

And to Boo & Dom, what I meant was that why make all those different statements rather than just saying one bold "I am not bad" statement? The other statements just give the LD something to be tricked by, IMO. Does that make sense, or nah?

I apologize for not being as involved. My life is crazy busy and this is the first time I have played 2 mafia games at once and I probably shouldn't have done that...........I don't know how you all do it. I really do not see what people see in Epi. I do not know who to vote between SVS and Dom. Maybe I am just not experienced enough with Epi.................but I still do not like their votes for him. I really do not understand it and they to me refuse to think otherwise...............since Kate is voting Dom, I will not split but also vote Dom because I would rather one of Dom or SVS lynched than Epi. Also have good vibes from Kate.

S~V~S wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
S~V~S wrote:The point of the LD statements is to say that i am not afraid to speak the truth. And i am not. I have nothing to hide and I do not have any problem saying so repeatedly. So any suspicions brought up against me, i will react the same way.
I know the point of LD statements
I am sure you do, but you seemed to be expressing doubt about how many of them were made. So I was clarifying why. I do not know what you do and do not do at Ksite, so sometimes I am not sure of what you are and are not familiar with re the way we play. Please forgive if offense was taken, it was not meant.

It's fine. I was not offended.

I don't think we've ever actually had a LD over there and even so our roles are secret so the baddies/townies do not even know those statements are necessary. My point of it, was I would think baddies would be forced to make those statements anyways. Maybe not you, SVS, since you are the one generating the LD discussion but someone like TH could be a baddie who felt he had no other option than to join in on making the check-able statements.

S~V~S wrote:The point of the LD statements is to say that i am not afraid to speak the truth. And i am not. I have nothing to hide and I do not have any problem saying so repeatedly. So any suspicions brought up against me, i will react the same way.

I know the point of LD statements

I didn't read everything still, I apologize. What little I read/skimmed of Boo made me feel good.
I am concerned with SVS and Dom because of the earlier posts. I haven't read much after. What gets me is everyone making these lie detector comments. Everyone is giving them all these options to choose from, saying "I am not bad with so and so" and then "I am not bad". I feel like the variety could be there just to trick the LD into picking the true one, while one of them is a lie. Say the first one is true and the second is the lie. So I am not persuaded by these risky statements, especially not those who followed after whoever posted them first (I need to check who did).
What did catch me suspicious from TH was the fact he voted with me. Not sure how to feel about that. I wondered if he was trying to buddy up with me. Lol

I haven't caught up Roxy, and at the moment I do not have the time, yesterday I was out all day and today I have lots of work to do. So that is why I am quiet.
As for cocky/confident being a trait of both townie and scum Epi, I guess last game CAH where he was bad with me was not his norm baddie game because he was quiet and not cocky, at least not until the game neared the end.

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:In case I die, your mob includes Dom, S~V~S, and Turnip Head.
These posts always make me:

And you're quite confident.

Cocky/Confident is a trait of townie Epi.
Is it not?

You guys posted a lot while I was gone I didn't even notice....I need to catch up but that will have to wait..will try tomorrow

S~V~S wrote:Back with the eyeball for little crap.

Voting for you when the poll comes up.

I do not understand your suspicion of Epi. SERIOUSLY.
I have not played with him a lot, but he was weird like this in WWE and he was the COMPLETE OPPOSITE in CAH. Sooooo????????????????????

Sorry, FH. I feel bad but I wasn't necessarily confident I wish we could have interacted more before I voted but these quick days are hard for that I guess

Voted FH.
As I did it occurred to me I expected SVS to vote Dom, she had a stronger case on him than Epi I thought. I still think Dom is weird to an extent but I did not see the same reaction to my suspicion as I did last game when he was scum. Although my suspicion was just starting out. Wish we had more time to discuss with Dom. I am not sure how i feel about all the votes. On the phone BTW.

Linki- ok, that sounds a bit better. Did you think that makes Epi bad and Dom good or what?

S~V~S wrote:I am gonna drop a vote on Epi. I really don't love endangering people just to see who reacts how. Plus his "4 minutes" thing about Dom was odd to me. Like I said, i could see more than one reason for Dom to do what he did, but less so Epi, IMO.

I do not understand a vote for Epi based on his vote. I just don't. To me in my very first game he struck me as the reaction type. He led many civ lynches that game, I think he is naturally scummy not necesarrily alignment scummy. Lol! But I am surprised you don't see this.

I came into vote Dom but I might vote FH.
She is not doing a lot of talking or openly thinking for herself, like I expect.

S~V~S wrote:
Dom wrote:My best friend is visiting, and I don't have a lot of time. I don't want to miss a vote, and I'm not convinced on either Epig nor HEdgie. So I'll randomize for Lizzy.
For one, i don't love your randomized vote onto someone who already has a vote, thus making her the vote leader. For another, you voted randomly early since you were busy, yet you still returned for some commentary on how voting for Hedge would be a mistake. I could see more than one reason for this. So I am watching you Dom, but not voting you at this point.

I didn't think about this but it's true. At first his response seemed fine & nothing in it pinged me.
And I forgot that here someone is always lynched so now I don't know how to take this.

Dom wrote:My best friend is visiting, and I don't have a lot of time. I don't want to miss a vote, and I'm not convinced on either Epig nor HEdgie. So I'll randomize for Lizzy.

This is weird for me.
Was Epi being serious??? (Serious question). Because it seems like you're treating his suspicion of Hedgie as serious, and I'm not sure I understand that.
It would have, to me, made more sense if you were saying you're not convinced on either Epi or Meta (since they're the ones who IMO did something to be concerned about (although I am not), not Hedgie). So I am a little puzzled as to this.

I voted police station.

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