The Syndicate

Dom wrote:I guess we'll find out at the end of the game.

TH-- where you at?

I'm going to reread Canuck and Elo when I get home. They are two players who I usually have some sort of opinion on by now, and both of them have evaded my radar so far. I thought that Elo's reactions during Epi's lynch felt a little out of character so I'm going to start my search there.

I had also planned to look into DF but that's moot now. I was also worried about Bass but MM said something re: Bass that made me take pause. Id'd like to know where Bass is looking for this lynch.

Where you at Dom?

juliets wrote:I have another idea. Remember how Sandringham takes on different roles and uses their powers? Could he have taken on the millionaire's power last night and killed DF thinking he was a baddie?

I really like this idea. I didn't think of it. It could explain it... frankly I thought DF was a weird person for the baddies to target so this would make sense.

Rest in peace Marshy and DF

I agree it looks like a poisoning of some sort.

Clark Street

Black Rock wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:She could have been lying about it getting stolen
Why would she lie about that?

I thought the Celestials put the safe up.

So that no one would try to steal the ear tubes from her or kill her to obtain them. Civvies lie too.

And I don't think the Celestials even have the safe... splintsy had it briefly, but she was killed.

She could have been lying about it getting stolen

They can't jules. I don't think we should take that offer seriously. I doubt the baddies will take it seriously either.

Rest in peace LizKeen

I see everyone has been busy while I've been away...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.

I'm getting just as tired of his votes for me as you are.

DP replaced Shep, so he also should have had the Ivory Ball.

rabbit8 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I have the bottle.
Is there a message?

A message would make more sense than what the bottle actually does

I have the bottle.

I have read the thread, but I plan on reading some of it again in preparation for tomorrow's discussion.

Host: What would happen if a player was simultaneously hit with a silence and a mandatory posting curse?

Wabash. One of these days we'll get to go to Wabash.

Well done gang

Voted for Epi.

LizKeen, what name did you play under on other mafia sites?

Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Epi, is there a reason you dropped your case on LizKeen after gunning for her early on?
Born in the night
She would run like a leopard
That freaks at the sight
Of a mind close beside herself
And the nearer I came
How the country would change
She was using the landscape
To hide herself.

Turnip Head wrote:And I know you just voted for her Epi, but you seem to be implying it is a survival vote rather than you genuinely suspecting her.
And all the pieces fit forever
In the game.

I... have no idea what this means.

LC you were looking for the post where Liz called juliets "Juliet's Coffee". It is this post from Day 3:

LizKeen wrote:
S~V~S wrote:And Jules, no one ever said Liz had a will. Or anyone but Zomba.

I got nothing now.

Epignosis wrote:Zmb & LzKn bth mssd vt.
I explained why I missed the vote. I wasn't even here. I did not get penalized.

I am so utterly frustrated with this game! People are picking and choosing which of my posts to bring up as it suits their needs. If I'm so bad who exactly are my teammates? Noone! Let me say this AGAIN..I wasn't trying to protect Zomba, I posted 2 or 3 pages back what I heard night 1 and I took it that the doctor was going to target Zomba's vote to make her look bad and set her up for a day 3 lynch. Later I realized this also could have been an attempt to make distance themselves from her. I would love to hear other opinions on how they would take it. As there seems to be a lot of legitimate suspicion on her I have no idea if we're falling right into their hands or not. Does noone care that what I heard flat out makes Turniphead's post about the doctor-to make MM look bad-a lie? Juliet, so much has gone on since I posted who I was originally suspicious of...remind me who you want my take on again. At this point it just appears I've made myself an easy lynch target and that sucks. If that succeeds and you all have to start saying my bad I would be taking a long look at Epignosis, Juliet's Coffee and Elohcin, TH and Vomp. (And sorry, I do apologize for mistaking your gender)

I also meant to answer earlier whoever it was that commented on the Zelda game having a lot of requoted posts. I played that game a few months ago. I've slept since then. I don't remember. I wish I had eidetic memory. I only remembered about Fingersplints because I was suspicious of her at once point and found out when the game was over I was wrong.

And I know you just voted for her Epi, but you seem to be implying it is a survival vote rather than you genuinely suspecting her.

Epi, is there a reason you dropped your case on LizKeen after gunning for her early on?

Bullzeye wrote:
LizKeen wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?
My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.
Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.
Touched on this previously, but I'm going to mention it again. Seems like she was expecting trust or some kind of defense from MM for not going after him.

Yeah, I don't know why Liz would expect that. That's not how mafia works.

LizKeen, what name did you play under on other sites?

Dom wrote:Really? Because you vehemently disagreed with LC here:

Turnip Head wrote:
Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:I have to do some back reading today before I can answer your question LC. Who is standing out for you beyond Epi?
I'm a bit suspicious of Turnip Head - I was thinking that if he has the Bottle, and the Bottle was in Epig's safe... there's not that many ways he could have gotten it. I don't think he's the Safe Cracker... so maybe he killed the Safe Cracker for it?
Really now, is that what you think?
I read this as a role claim or a claim that you know who the safe cracker is.
Why?

Yeah, I disagreed with LC. He's saying I killed the safe cracker to get the bottle, and I strongly disagree with that. As a baddie ploy, that would make zero sense btw. Kill the safecracker, fess up to owning his bottle in an effort to defend DP from being lynched, and DP gets killed the following night anyways? How would any of that benefit me as a baddie?

Dom wrote:I read this as a role claim or a claim that you know who the safe cracker is.
Why?

I don't know Dom. I don't know why you read it like that.

Dom wrote:LC isn't the only one accusing you.
Why are you ignoring me?

Because Dom, all you said to me was "So you know who Luke is?" followed by "I do not think you do" followed by "I am doubting TH is civ tbh". I don't really have anything to say about any of that, and they read like petty accusations. I never implied I knew who Luke was, and it's not something I would discuss openly if I did. Give me something worth replying to and I'll respond

LizKeen referred to juliets as "Juliet's Coffee". SVS was trying to figure out whether Liz had ever played a game with juliets where she went by that moniker.

Long Con wrote:Bullzeye, TH seeming "reasonably good" most of the game is hardly an indicator of Civvieness. He's a very good player, I expect him to be able to do something that simple. It's the players that go out on a limb and take risks that I trust more, not the ones that seem good.

What does this post mean anyway, Con? Are you saying I've been trying to "seem good" instead of going out on limbs and taking risks? I don't think that's an accurate assessment of my gameplay at all. I've taken a few risks already. I've been wrong about things more than once.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't know, but saying something such as "Hey, you don't have info on me" seems like a reflexive response from a baddie. LC just said that he doesn't, so emphasizing that point seemed unnecessary. Perhaps I am reading it too deeply.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood LC's post, but in my defense, LC's post was super weird

As I've said before, if he has a case on me I'm willing to hear it. I have nothing to hide.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.
LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?
TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

What do you mean? Why can't he convince people I'm bad without hinting he has info? What am I supposed to do when the guy who accuses me says he can't build a case on me without seeming like he has info? How am I supposed to react to that?

If LC wants to accuse me of something, I'll be here.

LC if you accuse me, I'm not going to accuse you of having info. That's a silly thing to worry about. I'm just going to tell you how you're wrong.

I don't know how to respond to that.

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

Long Con wrote:And S~V~S, you referenced my theory from way back closer to the beginning of the game than now. Theories change. I've been watching TH for a while now, and though I want to see how the Epig lynch turns out first, I've got some more fine theories to share with you about your trusted Turnip Head. Your reactions this very day have been very interesting as well, to be honest.

Then you have not been watching me closely enough, it really is that simple. I expected you of all people to understand where I was coming from this game, I'm pretty confused by your suspicion of me tbh

Case on Epi looks good. He had stayed in the back of my mind because it's seemed he's been cursed more often than not and so it's been hard to grasp his thoughts outside of the MM lynch. But when you lay it out like that MM, he really has been all over the place. His Day 3 actions seem the most damning: not taking a stance on Zomba, calling LK out for a weak case on Vomps, and then voting Vomps himself. The other Vomps voters debated back-and-forth the merits of the case against Zomba. Golden and SVS interacted with her all Day. Epi just piled on a vote.

The problem is I agree with Epi that Dom has been suspicious lately, and I don't think they're both bad. I'm leaning towards an Epi vote atm.

Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:TH, yesterday, you discussed my thoughts on Zomba and their evolution through the game-- why did you ignore what I said about her on Day 1?
All I really did yesterday was compare your early vote for Zomba with your early vote for DP. I didn't go through the evolution of your thoughts on Zomba, but since you brought it up, I have now done so. And you have remained incredibly consistent. I find most of your posts about Zomba to be matter of fact, flat in tone and delivery. "We should lynch Zomba", "Zomba is bad", while when you're discussing other topics, you take on a more conversational tone with a degree of uncertainty. I don't know exactly what to make of this, but one explanation is that you are Zomba's teammate and you threw her under the bus after her bad reaction to BF's post, and you never looked back. I do think it's interesting that you made no mention of Zomba on Day 2 when Epi and I came out with a case against MM. You went along with the MM case and didn't mention Zomba's name at all. Then on Day 3 you went right back to suspecting Zomba.

But okay Dom, you thought DP was bad. He likely wasn't. Now where do you look? Was the DP case really the only thing you had?

Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:I have to do some back reading today before I can answer your question LC. Who is standing out for you beyond Epi?
I'm a bit suspicious of Turnip Head - I was thinking that if he has the Bottle, and the Bottle was in Epig's safe... there's not that many ways he could have gotten it. I don't think he's the Safe Cracker... so maybe he killed the Safe Cracker for it?
Really now, is that what you think?
TH, is LC wrong in that thinking?

LC is wrong, and furthermore I'm pretty sure he knows he is wrong.

Gotcha. :P

what's a ringer

Dom wrote:TH, yesterday, you discussed my thoughts on Zomba and their evolution through the game-- why did you ignore what I said about her on Day 1?

All I really did yesterday was compare your early vote for Zomba with your early vote for DP. I didn't go through the evolution of your thoughts on Zomba, but since you brought it up, I have now done so. And you have remained incredibly consistent. I find most of your posts about Zomba to be matter of fact, flat in tone and delivery. "We should lynch Zomba", "Zomba is bad", while when you're discussing other topics, you take on a more conversational tone with a degree of uncertainty. I don't know exactly what to make of this, but one explanation is that you are Zomba's teammate and you threw her under the bus after her bad reaction to BF's post, and you never looked back. I do think it's interesting that you made no mention of Zomba on Day 2 when Epi and I came out with a case against MM. You went along with the MM case and didn't mention Zomba's name at all. Then on Day 3 you went right back to suspecting Zomba.

But okay Dom, you thought DP was bad. He likely wasn't. Now where do you look? Was the DP case really the only thing you had?

Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:I have to do some back reading today before I can answer your question LC. Who is standing out for you beyond Epi?
I'm a bit suspicious of Turnip Head - I was thinking that if he has the Bottle, and the Bottle was in Epig's safe... there's not that many ways he could have gotten it. I don't think he's the Safe Cracker... so maybe he killed the Safe Cracker for it?

Really now, is that what you think?

Yes I do, and I apologize for not believing you earlier.

Yes it is just like that time Epi.

Why do you think you keep getting hit with posting curses? Who's trying to shut you up?

Rest in peace DP. I am sorry to lose you and also genuinely confused as to why you were targeted.

Hey MM, do you believe me now that I've got your bottle?

I voted State St because it had a lot of votes already.

I understand your perspective, Dom. These are good things to talk about tomorrow. I will attempt to explain my perspective further and, as always, reevaluate what I'm seeing.

Rest in peace Sophie

I'd rather vote Dom but I don't see that vote affecting anything, so I'm voting Sophie. Good points have been made about her and her defense isn't convincing to me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Because I suspect Dom for things he has said and done, and I don't suspect DP for what he's said and done. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that.
You also don't suspect Sophie for what she's said and done, based on my inferences. But you are willing to go back and reread Sophie and entertain a vote for her since she has 3 votes. Yet you won't do it for DP.

I think there are valid reasons to suspect Sophie based on her behavior, and that's why I've contributed to discussion of her. I do not believe there are valid reasons to suspect DP. How many different ways do you want me to say that?

Exactly. I can draw no conclusions from DP because he rarely talks. He always votes late. I don't know why he would vote so obviously if he were a baddie with Zomba, when it seems to me that Zomba's team gave up on her. So I'm not sure why I'm supposed to be suspicious of him.

Because I suspect Dom for things he has said and done, and I don't suspect DP for what he's said and done. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:IF DP is a baddie, then it is more likely that he is the Blonde Beastie, and not the millionaire.

TH, I know you are drawing relations between DP and Dom, so who do you think is more bad right now, and who would you rather lynch?

I do not think you have understood my posts. I do not agree with the case(s) on DP, and I think Dom is lying and covering things up. If I had to vote between them Dom would be the easy choice, but Sophie has 3 votes, so I'm looking into that case as well

juliets wrote:TH, interesting analysis. What benefit is it to Dom to not have the item be a part of the reason why he voted DP?

Because if DP gets lynched and flips something other than bad, Dom can still justify his vote the next day by saying "Well, the timing of DP's vote was still sketchy".

Dom said he isn't looking at DP because of what the paper said, he said he's looking at DP solely because of his vote. But Dom is not suspecting, and voting for, the other late Vomps voters. Epi voted Vomps to tie the lynch, and Dom is not looking at Epi. Dom is lying. The item thing must be playing into his vote, even if he doesn't want to say it is.

I think Dom is trying to play off of what the paper says about DP, in that he wants other people to join him in voting for DP because of the item thing, but Dom doesn't want that to be his reason.

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