The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:I am amazed everyone did not know you were bad. I thought you were so obvious, lol. And yeah, I figured that you did not want to risk the reveal. That was why I was surprised more people were not skeptical when I was NKed, or considered discussing my suspects. But well played! I probably would have done the same

I should have stuck with my original gut about him. I read him as bad early on, but then once JJJ died, it seemed clear to me that Epi was claiming to be Andy, and that jived with what he later told me in BTSC. I trusted him because the game would have been much more complicated if he was lying :P

As for your NK, that made no sense to me, so I honestly thought splints redirected it. But I also wasn't paying much attention to what you had been saying during the game since you died right as I joined the game, so I didn't scour your posts for clues.

Epignosis wrote:Also, Turnip Head, sorry for the bullshit. You know it was just business. I still had a good time talking with you.

Heh. No worries :P When I first got BTSC with you, I decided to trust you straight away, it was just easier that way. I did start having my doubts around the time that splints got lynched, but by that time the game already felt hopeless from my end - suspecting you just wasn't worth the energy :P I figured you had outplayed me by that point anyways.

And then of course I knew you were bad once you started using me for your own civvie cred after my lynch; you knew I had no way to know for sure about you!

That said...

Turnip Head wrote:Matt, Epi, Lorab, Scotty. Them's the suspects. Likely in that order.

In case I die tonight, I'm not Pam and I know nothing.

I should start listening to my own advice

Well played baddies. You guys deserve the win. Except for that bitch Enrique :P :P :P

Thanks for the game, Dom!

DrumBeats wrote:@ TH - Because espers was still a number in a likely MYLO situation. It seemed to basically be save him and win for you guys, and tbh if he had logged on you would've succeeded.

You can attach all the logic in the world you want to it, it won't make it true and it won't make it something I would realistically do. I would have thrown espers to the wolves if he wouldn't bother saving himself. I think everyone here would have, you included.

DrumBeats wrote:@ timmer - no. This allows the mafia to all vote on one person and tie the vote again. We need at least 4 votes on TH.

Don't even worry about it bae. I don't plan on voting.

timmer wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Goodbye cruel world. I guess at least I can get some satisfaction from y'all being wrong. Good luck civvies, you're going to need it.
Or you could, you know, try to fight for your life. Tell us how we are wrong. Do you think Epig is good, or bad? Do you know why he is vouching for you? Should I know why he is vouching for you? How, looking at the poll, should we get a civvie vibe from your votes?

Would you vote Epig to save your life?

I'm not going to bother with any of that that, I had a nice day today

My vote looks bad as fuck, what do you want me to say about it? Should I try the WIFOM defense? Like how stupid would I have to be to try and save a teammate who didn't even try to save himself?

No. I have no idea what's going on. Put me out of my misery. Good luck.

Goodbye cruel world. I guess at least I can get some satisfaction from y'all being wrong. Good luck civvies, you're going to need it.

My body is ready.

I just want to stress that I don't take anything personally, and I don't intend anything I say to be taken personally. It's just a game

The obvious choice in this poll is Dom. Anyone who doesn't vote for Dom is bad.

DrumBeats wrote:Not bad, but cheers. You put up a great fight, and your game was solid imo

You've spent all game deriding my gameplay, but thanks for saying that

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:I have reason to believe that Jo's role backfired last night on TH, hence the forced vote on Bea. TH then to make the case on me had to force a case on Bea in order to justify the forced vote. This is why the case itself on linking me and Bea was not solid, because it was based upon never getting to Bea's ISO, when I never got to a ton of ISO's, not just Bea's.

Probably sounds crazy but I have strong reasoning to believe it. I was right about espers. TH and Epi just hard-teamed to try to save Espers. Clearly they're both scum. We need to hit TH first in order to best preserve our future in this game, because I do not think it will backfire again.
You weren't right about espers. You knew espers was bad. You are on his team.
Either that or there's a Janitor-type role to manipulate the reveals. Espers didn't vote to save himself, I doubt his teammates tried to save him either. I know I sure as hell wouldn't have.
Lol, this is just funny right now. It was a likely MYLO situation. My guess is that there were 4 scum left, and solidifying that lynch on a civvie would have won you guys the game. Hence trying to save espers.

Lynch me dude, I don't care. If you're bad, you just outplayed me. I have zero fucks left to give

Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:I have reason to believe that Jo's role backfired last night on TH, hence the forced vote on Bea. TH then to make the case on me had to force a case on Bea in order to justify the forced vote. This is why the case itself on linking me and Bea was not solid, because it was based upon never getting to Bea's ISO, when I never got to a ton of ISO's, not just Bea's.

Probably sounds crazy but I have strong reasoning to believe it. I was right about espers. TH and Epi just hard-teamed to try to save Espers. Clearly they're both scum. We need to hit TH first in order to best preserve our future in this game, because I do not think it will backfire again.
You weren't right about espers. You knew espers was bad. You are on his team.

Either that or there's a Janitor-type role to manipulate the reveals. Espers didn't vote to save himself, I doubt his teammates tried to save him either. I know I sure as hell wouldn't have.

DrumBeats wrote:I have reason to believe that TH is Jo.

You can either elaborate on this now, or after you lynch me. Your choice, I don't much care which.

DrumBeats wrote:You voted espers yesterday. Lmao.

Exactly. That's why you thought it'd be so easy!

Like I already said, we weren't down two warm bodies in yesterday's lynch. Now we are. You're letting the whole game ride on your read of a guy with 12 fucking posts.

linki: Oh shit

If you want to know the truth DB, I read your BSG posts while I was at work and now I'm home trying to salvage this lynch. Fuck this 24 hour Day, if we had more time I'd humour you.

DrumBeats wrote:I gave a chance for everyone to express their suspicions at the beginning of the day - you know like discussion should work. You waited until espers seemed to have the upper hand and then pushed this lynch over stuff from another thread, which you for some reason had time to read, but not time to make a case based on the current game.

It goes both ways my dude. You opened up that discussion of suspicions at the beginning of the day, plopped your vote on espers, and never tried to make a case on me. If you thought I was bad, you would have done so. espers is harmless and that's why you went that route. No resistance = coast to victory.

If DrumBeats really was town and thought I was bad, he would have pushed for my lynch long before I pushed for his. I've been flip flopping and refusing to go in detail about my reads all game. It's not like I only suddenly started doing that an hour ago.

But DB stuck with his espers vote because nobody was challenging him until now.

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:They only started this case on me when it seemed like espers was the lynch target.
And you only started this case on me when it seemed like you and bea were a target. Before that, you were just looking for an easy lynch No need to ruffle my feathers if espers is gonna go down easy, am I right?
When did it ever seem like bea and I were the target? I questioned how many people you cleared, because only a mafia would know who was town and who wasn't and you almost never supplied reasoning.

Don't make me talk in circles. You didn't push for my lynch until I pushed for yours and bea's. You were content to keep me busy with providing evidence and giving examples. I come out against you and now you're calling me scum in every post

DrumBeats wrote:TH mentioned he thought he knew what role you were, I saw your 3J is mafia push, and thought you lie detected his "I am independent" thing - this lead to me believing your stubborn push of INH was due to a lie detect - hence asking for one statement - which would've allowed you as Pam to softclaim your check. That not being the case I'm entirely convinced you and TH are buddying, and rallying to save espers.

espers - now THERE'S a guy worth saving.

Lorab I think you should move your vote to Drummer Boy, if you suspect him. He said he'd vote for bea if he has to. Let's see if he's telling the truth.

DrumBeats wrote:They only started this case on me when it seemed like espers was the lynch target.

And you only started this case on me when it seemed like you and bea were a target. Before that, you were just looking for an easy lynch

No need to ruffle my feathers if espers is gonna go down easy, am I right?

DrumBeats wrote:No, I'm trying to get you to make an actual damn case instead of coming on here, making an untrue blanket statement and expecting people to believe it. If you've made up your mind then find examples to convince others, they need time to think, you clearly had enough time to "read" BSG, you should have time to find examples of your suspicion on me right?

Or I could just do whatever I want

DrumBeats wrote:TH is inconsistent as hell. Look at this shit. A full 360 on espers, a 180 on Bea, a 180 on Spacedaisy.

Well you see, I'm a civ with no info, so I tend to change my mind a lot. Would you know anything about that?

I've been back and forth on many players all game. You are only now trying to use this against me. Why did you wait until I called you out? You were the one telling us to dig into our suspicions today. Yet your vote has been on espers all day. You said nothing about me and my inconsistency.

DrumBeats wrote:Give examples for how my ideas didn't evolve like a civ's might instead of making a blanket statement with no evidence. You've never mentioned this before and now you're trying to make an oppotunistic snipe at EoD.

Are you disputing that this is the case, or are you just trying to give me busy work? I've already made my mind up, if anyone else is interested they can go back and look for examples if they wish. I see you beating the same drums all game. You even said so yourself just now:

DrumBeats wrote:Looking at this game, I've pushed the same ideas since the beginning, and people took forever to come around to some of them.

I asked you earlier if you suspected me, DB, because you've questioned my intentions most of the game but you've never let it develop into pressure or votes for me. I point blank asked if you were suspicious of me, and you ignored the opportunity to respond to that. Only now that I've come out against you, do you turn on me. The mark of a mafioso

DrumBeats wrote:Looking at this game, I've pushed the same ideas since the beginning, and people took forever to come around to some of them.

Yes, I think you've focused your efforts this game. Going through your BSG game made me see you were a little more scatterbrained there, you riffed. Your ideas here don't evolve the way a civ's might.

DrumBeats wrote:Why did you have time to look through the beast that was BSG mafia, for some arbitrary meta statement of me, but not have time to look through this thread for suspicions this phase?

And I wanted to have a control group; a game where I could know your alignment and compare it to this one.

DrumBeats wrote:This suspicion feels entirely fabricated imo, and I bet one of your scumbuddies gave you that quote from BSG.

Haha. Hahahah. Ha. Ha.

DrumBeats wrote:Were you looking for stuff on everybody or just me?

Just you, my friend. Because I've come around to thinking that almost everyone else left is civ. You were one of my only question marks.

DrumBeats wrote:(If just me) Why did you choose BSG and not Transistor?

idk.

DrumBeats wrote:You also say that espers "vanished" - Since when was espers here?

Exactly.

DrumBeats wrote:Do you think that the role you suspect for Epi to be has any implications on his suspicions of INH?

No.

DrumBeats wrote:Also, why did you vote bea over me?

It's just what I had to do.

bea, if you're good, I think you should vote for DrumBeats. I don't like the espers vote at all today. Yesterday, before we were down another 2 in the numbers, sure let's get rid of him. Today, it sounds like a way to hand the baddies the game if he's town. DB was the one stressing how this is a "can't mislynch" stage of the game, and yet here he is, voting for the inactive. Don't "vote espers to save INH"; that makes me think you're trading one easy lynch for another. We need to vote for someone who is bad.

I will switch my vote to DrumBeats if you do.

Turnip Head wrote:Follow me off this cliff. Maybe there's a trampoline at the bottom.

I myself will be voting for bea, but I would also approve of a DrumBeats lynch. espers is being set up as a patsy IMO, he has vanished like so many disinterested civs before him. I don't agree with the case on INH, I think his breakdown the other day was sincere. Please go back and take a look at that breakdown before you vote for INH. Not to mention, timmer's complete 180 on INH after days of pursuing him makes me think that timmer found something out about him.

bea. DrumBeats. DrumBeats. bea. Let's make it happen, town. Follow me off this cliff. Maybe there's a trampoline at the bottom.

insertnamehere wrote:you and me, epig, to the end.

i feel like we've now formed some kind of elaborate suicide pact.

Lay down your arms my brethren, and rally to my cause. Both of you should vote for DrumBeats or bea. You won't regret it!

Welp, I think DrumBeats is bad. Here's a quote of his from Battlestar Galactica, where he was town:

DrumBeats wrote:
ika wrote:What your play meta at town and scum?
Very similar meta to be honest. My scum philosophy is to come up with a fakeclaim early and pretend I'm town. I'm never above bussing if the person is being suspicious. Honestly, I haven't heard any ways to distinguish it, but if you would like I can provide two game threads from my homesite, one scum and one town for you guys to look for things in.

However, I am used to game with outside communication and roleclaiming/info dumping allowed. That being said the main difference with my scum meta is ill often fakeclaim a more obscure informational role and try to use it to clear myself and steer the town. As town, I would pull fakeclaim gambits privately to try to bait kills on me to clear or make another user likely scum when I've had less useful roles.

Since OC and role claiming isn't really relevant here, I'm curious as to how I'll end up doing because so much of my usual game involves gambits between the two.

"Steer the town", does that remind you of anyone?

And I think bea is his partner. I have a crackpot theory (which, god I hope I'm right about) that two mafiosos are already dead via Packer and Andy. ISO's tell me that bea and DB have had almost no interaction this game. In fact, here's all that I could find between them, and DrumBeats has interacted with A LOT of players:

bea @ DrumBeats wrote:how did I not make your low posters list??

Those that did do deserve a good looktielu.

DrumBeats wrote:@ Bea - You had 50+ posts and I feel like yours have content so in order to save myself some time, I'm not doing you with the low posters. Only person in the low poster group that has more posts than you is Serge, but that I because I can't remember a single contribution from him.

I'm adding you to my "Do an ISO later" group though.

He never followed through with that ISO on bea and they haven't talked since.

Does this lynch really end tonight?

timmer wrote:Oh, seriously? Am I right that we still don't have proof of the silencer's alignment? I don't see any mention of them in the roles... this muddles my thoughts big time.

Why are you so focused on this? Is it going to lead you toward a suspect?

DrumBeats wrote:TH, I get that you want this game to be done, but please contribute to helping us lynch mafia, not just quitting. Thanks.

I haven't quit shit. But do you not suspect me? You've questioned my intentions on more than one occasion, but I haven't seen it lead to any votes or pressure. Do you know I'm town?

I want to get off Mr. Dom's wild ride.

bea wrote:Why throw in the towel? Any ideas on who is bad enrique?

What about you, do you have any idea who's bad?

Scotty wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Why are you bad bea?
I don't understand you the past few phases. What about bea makes you think she is bad above the rest?

Why are you bad bea?

Spacedaisy wrote:Lol, you all are about to be real disappointed. The only ones who would really be gunning for me dead are the ones who would be afraid I might use my power to find out their role, but if you all couldn't tell from how I played, I did not care which team won because it didn't matter. Like I said though, I don't feel like I deserved a win at all, so I'm ok with dying. Have fun y'all and may the best team win!

This is about what I expected

What a clusterfuck

timmer wrote:TH, where are you thinking? I've got guests, I may need to just look at the final lynch trains and decide which one seems most trustworthy

I'm going for the hail mary play and voting espers.

timmer wrote:Thinking of the people with votes. TH, can you remind me of whether you knew there was a silencer when you were calling out lorab?

I did not.

timmer wrote:Epig is just that is still lingering from day 1 and there is nothing much to it. I don't have a lot of better ideas but my blinders re INH have likely held my game back

So what are you going to do now?

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Why don't you think it's genuine? What sort of ulterior motive would I have?
Because, though I think DFaraday is town, I see nothing in those two posts to clear him. I see nothing to clear Spacedaisy. I saw nothing to clear SVS like you did.

I suppose this means our brains work differently.

Why don't you think it's genuine? What sort of ulterior motive would I have?

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Also I think we're gonna lose, and if that's the case I'd rather lose to anyone but espers. Nothing against him personally, but he has 12 posts.
I want to lynch one of the inactives today, because we go into a MYLO or LYLO situation, I don't want to have to rely on their activity. However, I don't believe your flip from SD to espers is genuine. What made you stop suspecting Daisy?

Because she seemed completely fine with people voting for her and I don't think a bad Daisy would be.

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Faraday is off my list. No way he's bad after those last two posts.

I haven't actually given bea a proper read through, I tend to always assume she's good. Life is easier that way.

You keep clearing people based off of nothing and I don't get it.

It's not nothing in my head

I'm not here to laboriously explain every detail of my reads unless it's to make a case.

Also I think we're gonna lose, and if that's the case I'd rather lose to anyone but espers. Nothing against him personally, but he has 12 posts.

DrumBeats wrote:FS said that his vote on Day 4 was not forced, meaning Meredith is likely no longer in play.

Wait what, who said that? I assumed esper's vote was forced too.

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