The Syndicate

Eru Illuvatar help me.

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Well I'm starting to think snow dog is bad after all and some of his teammates are using this chance to save him and get me out with little culpability. Voting for Snowy based on his behavior post-Boogswagon but mainly to save myself. I'm not bad. Don't have much time atm to try and convince anyone of that though >.<

Sorry I've been quieter lately, but my quietness has nothing to do with my role. RL has been a little hectic lately.

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think Mongoose is more likely to be Gollum than Smaug or a goblin. Gollum likely has The One Ring, which could explain Mongoose's disappearance/escape from the Day 4 lynch. Given the way the past two votes have gone, I think poor Goosey is more likely to be living in a cave pitiful and alone than she is to have any teammates.

Pardon me?

Bilbo Baggins
Possessor of the Ring, which gives him special powers. Also the dwarves' burglar, despite being a homebody. Initially doubted by the dwarves, he continually goes up in their estimation.
Gains +1 vote every 3 Day periods. May have the opportunity to burgle from Smaug.

There's also this:

Gollum A pitiful, miserable creature and the owner of a Ring of Power (these facts are connected). Lives alone in a cave, eating raw fish and practicing riddles.
Secret

It says he has a Ring of Power, and it also says "secrets". I thought it was a reasonable explanation.

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Voting for Mongoose. She didn't respond to my question about who we should be looking at other than her, so it seems like she's given up, which usually means baddie.

Seems like she's given up? Hell, by this point, Mongoose had 12 votes. Her lynch was inevitable.

Mongoose gave up long before her lynch was inevitable, and long before the post where I said she had already given up.

Epignosis wrote:People TH 1.0 expressed suspicion of:

MP - first vote.
Spacedaisy
k4j - You called him MP's teammate. Voted him Day 2.
Eloh - Last to vote her on Day 3.
Snow Dog

You know who TH 1.0 did not suspect?

Not Mongoose.

You're right, I did not suspect Mongoose, and if I had been alive on Day 4 I probably would have defended her from her accusers, as I did not see a case on her but rather bandwagon groupthought. But TH 1.0 was not alive when Mongoose survived a lynch and then acted sketchy afterwards. My opinion of Mongoose changed based on her behavior after her first attempted lynch, not because of my role or because my alignment changed. And there's a gap in my thought process due to the fact that I had no thread presence the first time Mongoose was lynched.

Epignosis wrote:Spacedaisy had no votes at the time. However, Vompatti and Boogs both had 4 votes apiece at the time TH 2.0 voted. This means that the talk of saving Boogs was disingenuous, even if TH 2.0 voted for A Person on Day 7.

I did not vote Vompatti to save Boogs because I did not suspect Vompatti either, and I did not want to contribute to making the lynch between those two. At the time I voted Daisy it did not seem a foregone conclusion to me that the lynch would be Boogs vs Vomps. In fact, Boogs got no more votes after I voted for Daisy. What if the Vompatti voters had voted for Daisy instead? I cannot control what other players do after my vote.

When I voted A Person on Day 7, it was at the tail end of the lynch, and was clearly intended to help save Boogs, as were most of the AP votes that came before mine. You are comparing apples to oranges here as to the purposes of my votes.

Epignosis wrote:That brings me back to Snow Dog.

TH 1.0:

Turnip Head wrote:Snow Dog's vote from yesterday stands out to me:

Snow Dog wrote:I think I suspect Elochin and Mongoose most but I might suck it and see and chuck a vote on k4j .

Snow Dog did not show any suspicions towards k4j until Snow Dog abandoned his top two suspects - both of whom had votes - to "chuck a vote" onto k4j. But then, 11 minutes later, Snow Dog says:

Snow Dog wrote:I just randomised the llama voters and got the wombat.

At the time of Snow Dog's throwaway vote for Vompatti, FZ and k4j were tied at 4 votes apiece, Elo had 2, and Mongoose had 1. There were a few quick random votes in between Snow Dog's first post and his vote post 11 minutes later... I think Snow Dog tried to blend in with the BWT's self-vote and Vomp's "defend Mongoose via randomization" vote. I think Snow Dog wanted to avoid accountability.

Turnip Head wrote:Interesting that Snow Dog only replies to Llama's defense of him, and not to the post I originally made about him which llama is commenting on. Vompatti was literally the only person to vote for llama, and probably the only player who had even expressed suspicion of Llama. Llama needed no saving, no defending, and I would argue that Snow Dog should have known that. That was not the reason Snow Dog should have thrown away his vote, when he seemed to have solid, relevant suspects (Elo and Mongoose) and also seemed briefly to have an itch to "chuck a vote" onto k4j.

Who else tried to buddy up to you, Logan, and got caught red-handed?

Turnip Head wrote:I will likely be voting one of my bigger suspects, Daisy or Snow Dog, but I'm looking at the votes to see if I need to save Boogs by voting Elo. I do not feel comfortable with the suspicion on Boogs so far.

Linki: Hmm, good point about his vote possibly being forced yesterday, Epi.

TH 2.0:

Turnip Head wrote:But I'm not convinced about you, though you seem to be flailing. But it looks to me like the lynch train is headed your way unless you help slow it down.

That suspicion just...dissolved?

Are you reading the posts that you are referencing? Or connecting the dots between them? My suspicion of Snow Dog in the early game was mainly tied to what I viewed as a suspicious "random" vote for Vompatti. It was a point you yourself helped me change my mind about; you brought up the possibility that his vote was forced. I did not pursue further suspicion of him after I considered that.

I did not mention any suspicion of Snow Dog at all, in fact, until the aftermath of the Boogs lynch, where some of his behavior concerns me and some of it gives me pause. I am still considering my opinion of him, and I asked some questions and raised some concerns in my post that Snow Dog has yet to address.

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:To the players who are feeling a Snow Dog vote, I'm curious to know who you think his teammates might be. The only surface-level connection I would be able to draw to Snow is CBK, but she is insanified, and also appears to suspect Snowy based on her answer to Dom's question, which doesn't seem very teammate-like at this stage. If the Dog is bad, I'm not sure where I'd look next for teammates, which makes me think perhaps he doesn't have any and that lynching him is the wrong call.

Cart before the horse. How do you look for teammates before you've established someone even has a team? I'm pretty sure I know one of yours though.

You're wrong about why I'm asking this question. "Cart before the horse" would imply that I'm trying to lynch a suspected Snow Dog teammate before lynching Snow Dog. That's not what I was saying. I was wondering who people thought Snow Dog's teammates were if they suspected him, because as of yet I'm not seeing much evidence that he has any teammates, which makes me think he might not be a baddie. Snow Dog might be the fall guy.

Rest in peace Leamiteo and Spaghetti

Apologies for not getting to the thread sooner and generally being not very participative the past few days, it's been a busy week at work for me. My theater is hosting the LA Film Fest so I've been working some long, irregular days.

Snow Dog wrote:Consider that I have been after Boogs since pretty much the off. Would a mafia be so single minded (besides my stupid vote for Mongoose when she wasn't lynched)?

But Snowy, you have admitted that you thought Boogs was Smaug. What would stop you, if you are a baddie, from being single minded against him?

I do think mafia can get away with having one track minds such as you had against Boogs, it's one of the better baddie ploys IMO. It makes it easy to not have to keep coming up with new suspicions, and if the baddie ends up being wrong, he can use the exact line that you did about how a baddie wouldn't do that.

But I'm not convinced about you, though you seem to be flailing. But it looks to me like the lynch train is headed your way unless you help slow it down. You've thrown out lots of vague accusations but nothing concrete for anyone to latch onto or to discuss. You say you think there are baddies amongst the Boogs voters, the AP voters, and the people who are coming after you. That reeks of "lynch anyone but me" and doesn't help us make a good decision today. These vague accusations of yours are my biggest ping against you, especially since your case on Boogs was so direct and specific.

To be honest, Leamiteo was going to be one of my talking points today, I thought she latched onto the Boogswagon with relative ease. I'm hoping she was a baddie, but obviously it's not a fruitful discussion for today.

To the players who are feeling a Snow Dog vote, I'm curious to know who you think his teammates might be. The only surface-level connection I would be able to draw to Snow is CBK, but she is insanified, and also appears to suspect Snowy based on her answer to Dom's question, which doesn't seem very teammate-like at this stage. If the Dog is bad, I'm not sure where I'd look next for teammates, which makes me think perhaps he doesn't have any and that lynching him is the wrong call.

As for the Moria goblins, I don't think we're rid of them yet. I think the last one is either inactive, unlucky with their kills, or a mixture of both. And I still suspect that it could be Daisy.

Snowy, what do you think of fingersplints?

Rest in peace Boogslybear

Welcome back juliets!!!

Voted AP to tie it up. I'm not sure I agree with the case on him but I trust Boogs and don't want to see him lynched.

Epignosis, who do you think could be Smaug?

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:Look, guys, right now what i'm seeing is a bunch of people going for boogs and i dont really see why. Yeah, youre all saying a bunch of silly things like "oh, but snow dog! he didnt even mention snow dog while he was jailed!" so what? so what that he votes someone other that who he says is his top suspect? everybody does it all the friggin time. right now i'm just seeing a hate train against boogs and i dont like it. Honestly its been going all game and this all just seems bad bad bad to me. and why was all this started? because someone suspected boogs faked being silenced. right. great work everyone. I wont be voting boogs. in fact, Ill be voting CBK, because you seem to be leading this train against boogs and i think youre bad.

I would like to quote this for all the truth it holds. The whole case against Boogs seems wrong to me. I'm not sure I'm going so far as to say I suspect his most vocal accusers, but I do find myself frequently scratching my head as to what other players are seeing in him, when he's sounded genuine to me all game.

Epignosis, do you think Boogs should be lynched?

SpaceDaisy, you say that you have been suspicious of Boogs for most of the game. To players like Llama and I who don't really see why we need to lynch the fella, could you lay out why you have been suspicious of Boogs for so long?

Ill donate the 100 gold I earned from this vote to the smuggler fund.

I don't think Boogs should be lynched, I've never understood the case on him and it seems to have snowballed to where he's getting votes just because he's been discussed the most at this point.

I'm voting Daisy. I know she's had a lot going on in RL apparently but I think she's flying low because all her teammates got lynched at the start of the game.

Vompatti wrote:I'll pay 50 if I'm still alive. Heck, I'll even pay 100 (one hundred) if and only if you spare my life.

Vompatti, who are you suspicious of?

Daisy hasn't posted since Day 4.

Host: is Daisy in the process of being replaced?

Rest in peace Rey and DF

kneel4justice wrote:TH 2.0 is quiet.

So is k4j 1.0. The thread has been remarkably quiet since Elo's lynch, taken over mostly by the Mongoose discussion with a side of Boogs, who I fear is being set up for today's lynch. Boogs sounds genuine to me so far, so I hope it doesn't come to that. Who are you suspicious of?

I'm going through the front door.

Rest in peace Goosey, and sorry for my part in your death

Welcome back Sir Dom Can't wait to hear your thoughts.

Voting for Mongoose. She didn't respond to my question about who we should be looking at other than her, so it seems like she's given up, which usually means baddie.

I think Mongoose is more likely to be Gollum than Smaug or a goblin. Gollum likely has The One Ring, which could explain Mongoose's disappearance/escape from the Day 4 lynch. Given the way the past two votes have gone, I think poor Goosey is more likely to be living in a cave pitiful and alone than she is to have any teammates.

Mongoose, if we don't lynch you, who would you suggest we look at instead?

What's up hobbitches

thellama73 wrote:I may catch heat for this, but frankly, I am glad TH was killed by Smaug

rude

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Hey, thanks for finding Daisy's post.

I don't think this changes my opinion overall though. You're, again, trying to base my case on one misunderstanding. It just seems like a very doubtful reinterpretation of what Boogs said. It's just all too ambiguous, and I still think the overall effect is suspicious.

I'm not trying to do anything to your case, CBK. Your other points might potentially be valid ones depending on how Boogs replies to them, so I'm eager to hear his response. I was just pointing out some areas where I thought you got the facts wrong, places where I think you were eyeing Boogs for the wrong reasons. I've seen Boogsy be misunderstood before, when he was a civvie. That's why I'm approaching the case on him with trepidation.

Sorry CBK, apparently I missed your detailed case on Boogs the first time. To me it looked like all the suspicion on him was based on what he was saying about the Wood Elf drink, but I see now you had raised some other points.

Here are some of my responses to your post about Boogs.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:First of all, who said you're suspected because you switched your opinion of Daisy? No, seriously, I couldn't figure out who said that.

Daisy herself said that.

Spacedaisy wrote:Boogs... You keep talking about me and then suddenly drop me to vote Elo when people start disagreeing about the case against me. You do not look good to me right now my dear.

I have to vote right now. I won't be back in time from work. So I am going to vote Boogs because of what seems to be a serious case of bandwagoning/blendiness... *votes*

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Then you agreed with TH's noting how MP and FZ interacted with Daisy, according to INH's chart. I feel the need to quote that one.

Boogs wrote: I felt that way too before and after MP's lynch in particular. I think he was throwing her under the bus to distance himself. She's still on my radar for possibly getting my vote today. I also have to consider some last minute voters on the back and forth votes with FZ and K4J. I think there was some initial saving possibly from the other Goblin team for K4J possibly also. Will examine it when I get free time during work today and decide who I want to cast a vote for after that.

Wait, what? You felt that way about Daisy before MP's lynch? You never even voiced any suspicion of him until afterwards. Yet you theorized that he was throwing a baddie teammate under the bus? An event you never took note of until after his lynch?

I think you are reading Boogs' post wrong. It looks like he's saying "I have felt that way before too" and "after MP's lynch in particular." The rest of your accusation here seems to be built on this possible misinterpretation of what Boogs was saying.

I think the options are "receive a gift from the Elves according to the item you forgot", or "No, refuse their hospitality". Players who brought both are forced to refuse.

Also, everyone knows that Elf food sucks.

!!

Bye Elo! See you in the next game!

I'll have that drink now.

Okay, I voted for Elo. I was hoping we'd get to hear from her a little more since she has so many votes, and I'm not sure what her silence tells me. That said, I do put a lot of stock in Epi's opinion on her, and I haven't seen much from Elo to make me think he's wrong this time.

I will likely be voting one of my bigger suspects, Daisy or Snow Dog, but I'm looking at the votes to see if I need to save Boogs by voting Elo. I do not feel comfortable with the suspicion on Boogs so far.

Linki: Hmm, good point about his vote possibly being forced yesterday, Epi.

Interesting that Snow Dog only replies to Llama's defense of him, and not to the post I originally made about him which llama is commenting on. Vompatti was literally the only person to vote for llama, and probably the only player who had even expressed suspicion of Llama. Llama needed no saving, no defending, and I would argue that Snow Dog should have known that. That was not the reason Snow Dog should have thrown away his vote, when he seemed to have solid, relevant suspects (Elo and Mongoose) and also seemed briefly to have an itch to "chuck a vote" onto k4j.

Who else tried to buddy up to you, Logan, and got caught red-handed?

Snow Dog, are you implying that Boogs is lying about being silenced yesterday? Why do you think he would do this?

Epi and Juliets, what do you guys make of Boogs? I'm not seeing the case on him so far myself. It seems to be based on the fact that Boogs is lying about what happened to him on Day 2, and that no one believes he is genuinely confused, and that his suspicion of MP and FZ is disingenuous. Which I think are all just the wrong way to read Boogs' posts so far.

As for Elo... Epi has only been wrong about her once, and in that game he thought she was good but she was bad. He's never actually called Elo out as a baddie in any game that I've played with the both of them, EXCEPT for the Viral Videos game on Rev. In that game, Epi said Elo was bad, but later explained that he thought she was civ and only called her out to see who would bite. I am not seeing that same sort of hidden agenda in Epi's case on her here, which makes me think he really does suspect her. And yet, I don't feel as strongly about Elo as I would expect to. I think I need a little more time to watch her behavior before feeling sold one way or the other about her.

Snow Dog's vote from yesterday stands out to me:

Snow Dog wrote:I think I suspect Elochin and Mongoose most but I might suck it and see and chuck a vote on k4j .

Snow Dog did not show any suspicions towards k4j until Snow Dog abandoned his top two suspects - both of whom had votes - to "chuck a vote" onto k4j. But then, 11 minutes later, Snow Dog says:

Snow Dog wrote:I just randomised the llama voters and got the wombat.

At the time of Snow Dog's throwaway vote for Vompatti, FZ and k4j were tied at 4 votes apiece, Elo had 2, and Mongoose had 1. There were a few quick random votes in between Snow Dog's first post and his vote post 11 minutes later... I think Snow Dog tried to blend in with the BWT's self-vote and Vomp's "defend Mongoose via randomization" vote. I think Snow Dog wanted to avoid accountability.

Llama, I reread Mongoose, and nothing stood out to me tbh. Though I also didn't realize how talkative she's been... I think that's the only thing that stood out, I'm used to Mongoose participating but not being so active especially at the beginning of a game. I have also never seen Mongoose's baddie game before. What makes you think this looks like her baddie game opposed to her civ game?

Leamiteo wrote:I don't understand your reasoning at all tbh. It seems to be too far of a stretch to me, contrived possibly?

"Contrived possibly"? What are you trying to say there?

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Also, I don't trust Boogs as far as I can throw him.

NOBODY TOSSES A BOOGS.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Again, I will have to go back and read him, but his posts almost always come off as, what do we say around here, opportunistic and insincere? Perfect description, imo.

Why would you say that opportunistic and insincere are the perfect descriptors for Boogs?

Spacedaisy wrote:Wait, you guys are suggesting I am on the team MP and FZ were on? Why on earth would I tie the vote up for FZ, when I could have cast my vote for k4j and given her more of a shot of surviving the lynch? This is all based on the fact they both said negative things about me, which you are saying was distancing. It could just as easily be two people looking for what they perceive to be an easy target. And I guarantee you it is, because I am not on their team, in fact I am not bad at all. I am securely civ. this seems like a major stretch to me, especially from you TH.

Daisy, this is your vote post:

Spacedaisy wrote:I madei home with minutes to spare before the vote ends! I checked to see where things stood after I realized I could not possibly catch up before the poll ends. I found that fz was simply one vote behind k4j. Since the only suspect I have had was INH and he has no votes at the moment.if my vote is going to be any use at all, I figure it is better cast for someone who has votes already. And casting it for FZ would make a tie. So lets see how this shakes out, shall we?

What I notice is that in neither of the above posts (the vote post or the defense post derived from that vote) do you, Daisy, express any actual suspicion of FZ. You said at the time of your vote that INH was your only suspect, but you wanted your vote to matter, and that you voted FZ specifically to make a tie. Now you are using the existence of that sketchy vote to tell me you can't possibly be on a team with MP and FZ. And yet, you don't cite any suspicion of her (or your lack of suspicion against k4j) at all. You give no actual opinion of either of those players.To you they are just monikers for different perceived outcomes. A civvie has opinions on the players she is or is not voting for. A baddie only has an agenda.

Daisy's post explaining why she (and MP) were upset about him getting lynches DID sound sincere to me, juliets. But being sincere about losing MP doesn't exclude her from being a baddie

FZ said to Daisy "I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie". Why would FZ say this to her? It makes no sense, because FZ knows MP will flip baddie in about five minutes; FZ's accusation holds no water. So it looks like she's accusing Daisy of something, but she really hasn't. It looks like teammate distancing to me.

Okay you guys... Daisy's got me eyeing her again after I went back and reread this post, including the conversation she had with FZ in the embedded quote (she's quoting her conversation with FZ as part of her defense). It reads like a lot of appealing

It would also be one-way distancing, as Daisy never mentions FZ (outside of talking to her in the above conversation)... until Daisy votes for her. Dun dun dun.

Spacedaisy wrote:MP was a goner when I posted my support of him, he was ahead by like three votes with eight minutes to go. Why would I do that if he were my teammate and was clearly going to flip bad when I could just as easily say I suspect him? This argument makes no sense. I get why you say it if you take MPs posts and vote alone, but if you consider the whole picture and how it unfolded, it does not hold water.

That part's interesting because FZ also had an unconventional reaction before her buddy got lynched. FZ was saying things like "MP better be a baddie", or things like:

FZ. wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote: It did not strike me as suspicious actually. It struck me as normal MP.

I wonder if this is your way of trying to look better if MP comes out a civvie

For what it's worth I'm voting Daisy

The bolded accusation makes zero sense in retrospect.

insertnamehere wrote:OK, this is more than a little bit sloppy, I had to mess with the formatting in order to fit it all in one screenshot. It may be hard to read. If you have trouble, use the link the see the actual version. It's much easier to read.

http://imgur.com/ZCm2bO7

Click on the image to get a larger version.

What's also interesting to note about FZ and MP according to the chart is that their scores for each other, though they talked about each other a lot, only ended up being -5 and -2... so between the two of them it was not the truly hard distancing like Dom's score (-26) or k4j's (-23). Also odd to see the -31 for Vompatti. I hadn't picked up on them saying much about Vomps. Considering that neither of them have ANY mentions of other low-activity players, he does stand out. Were they trying to throw him under the bus?

What's also interesting is that they both seemed to talk about SD a fair bit, and said mostly negative things, but other than voting for her they kept it light - again, just going by INH's chart, I haven't yet looked to check what exactly they have said about Daisy.

Rest in peace Kyle.

Elo, who do you think could be on MP/FZ's team?

K4j, do you think that if MP distanced hard from his teammates, that FZ would look to do the same? Seems like her shtick was to play defense, judging by the MP lynch. I am not sure they would both use the same tactics against their own teammates.

Mongoose wrote: BUT if we can do a universal comparison to see which players NEITHER of them cited? I think that would be a good list to have, my friend.

This... sounds like a lot of work.

One player MP or FZ never mentioned:












Elo.

I brought a rope that I remembered not to forget. I shall use it to swing.

Russtifinko wrote:

FZ. has been lynched. She was the Goblin Sapper (Moria Goblins).

Nice result! Good job FZ voters. This adventure is going quite well.

Epignosis wrote:You know what I think? I don't think Elohcin was voting to save herself.

I think she was voting to save a teammate.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I brought my rope Choosing to swing.

And swing you shall.

Elo, say it ain't so! I hadn't suspected you yet this game, but Epi raises some good points about you. You are on my rereading list for tomorrow

K4j, I am sorry I did not get to conversate with you more, I couldn't withold my vote any longer because I was on my way into work, but tbh I also felt like I had heard all I needed to. I was CONVINCED you were on MP's team and most of my arguments came from reading your posts that way. But seeing that FZ was on MP's team I need to reevaluate how I feel about you, as I did not really suspect FZ much, and part of me was trusting her take on you. I plan on rereading you still, and if I have any questions about what I read, I'll be sure to bring them up so that you can address them.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Okay, sure, but personally I feel I need to talk through every single thought that I'm thinking because that's how I work best to baddie hunt. Question the content or purpose of my posts if you need, but I personally feel everything I'm saying serves some purpose, and what Epig fails to mention is that baddies can be caught in situations where they continuously post and vote things like expressed in his 2a and 2b points. Personally, I'm of the "more discussion = better" camp, and people have every right they want to disagree. Sometimes though, a fellow civvie can help convince you that maybe you were thinking of something the way they were, and that maybe there was some substance to it. Besides, when you're not lying, you have nothing to lose, and I lay it all out there. My baddie game is based on trying to make it seem like my civvie game as much as possible, and my civvie game is defined by expressing every single thing I'm thinking that I feel helps contribute to finding baddies or to help sorting through my thoughts.

My playstyle gets a lot of flak, and I've tried changing it even, but I never will because it's just how I play, even if sometimes the "purpose" of some of my posts is questionable. But you could argue the same of so many other type of posts in the game as well.

If I had been more active at this point, the bolded part probably would have made me throw a vote onto MP. To me, him sitting there and trying to justify what is his "civvie game" and what is his "baddie game" in the middle of a game would have come off as disingenuine to me. I know we've discussed things like this together in person, but I feel it's almost a bit forced here. Almost like he's trying to use this to justify his position.

Also, you tend to post every single thing you're thinking whether you're good or bad. So nice try with that one.

BWT, what the hell lol. You didn't have time to go through the thread enough to make a vote that wasn't just for the gold, but you have time to dig up this old post of a known baddie and say why it was suspicious? The halfling's leaf has clearly slowed your mind.

Welcome, splintsy! I didn't see you there! Wait, are you taking over for someone else, or was a role added for you to play? :O

K4j, I'm sorry, but your behavior during the MP lynch and afterwards causes me to think you are his partner and did some last minute distancing because you knew he was going to get lynched and flip bad.

If you were civ I would expect you to be saying more about the lynch at hand... I think you would be trying to find one of MP's real teammates to lynch if you were not one of them. Your suspicion of FZ also does not feel genuine to me, and you used the "we think about things the same way when we are both civs" line to justify your opinion of her, but the details of what you don't agree with her about are hazy.

It's not personal because you know I really enjoy playing with you, but nothing you've said has made me feel civ about you. I'm voting for you now.

kneel4justice wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, at the moment I'm inclined to agree with you about k4j, he is high on my list of possible MP teammates. But I'm curious to hear your reasoning.

And I am curious to hear yours.

I just find it odd, the complete change in direction you took at the end of the last lynch, and how you went from feeling sure about your vote (for Epi, you say), to changing your mind and not wanting to vote at all because you don't feel strongly, a line you know I've heard from your civ game at KSite, to showing your first suspicion of MP and quickly voting for him before the end of the lynch. It looks ike hastily planned distancing thrown together just before deadline. Then you say you're suspicious of FZ because of her behavior during the MP lynch, but you are afraid to say she is on MP's team, which rings a little false to me. I would expect (a civvie version of) you to question FZ more about her behavior during the MP lynch, but perhaps you know it's not smart to outright accuse FZ of something you know she's not. That's just the vibes I've been getting from your posts, I did not think your vote for MP and your explanation for your vote rang true..I think you were trying to blend into the bandwagon for your baddie buddy.

Dom, at the moment I'm inclined to agree with you about k4j, he is high on my list of possible MP teammates. But I'm curious to hear your reasoning.

K4j, who do you suspect of being on MP's team?

I think Llama thinks the killer forgot to send in their PM.

What's interesting to note is that Vompatti also voted for Spacedaisy, on MP's command... scandalous