The Syndicate

Devin the Omniscient wrote:We were definitely hanging on by the thinnest of threads at that point, BR. We were very lucky that Timmer didn't change his vote from me to cause a tie. BTW, he had me pegged as Girder It was hilarious to watch everyone (except for the person who tried to kill me) ignore him.

Hahaha, oh yeah! I loved that part. After the kill failed I called you out for "parroting" people and you totally OWNED it! That was awesome. You played well, you pretty much had everyone in your corner.

Two funniest moments in the game were MM having to call everyone timmer, that was definitely worth it, especially when it ended up lasting for two lynches. And MP self destructing like a madman is the other one. I just couldn't stop laughing.

That weather messed me up too. I had mind controlled Llama that night to vote for Timmer (naturally), with the caveat that he wasn't allowed to tell anyone he was being mind controlled (something I foolishly had left off of all previous MC's).

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Wait what happened to Long Con?
And you should have died Night 5. :P

Took you long enough to lynch me, then

Wait what happened to Long Con?

DharmaHelper wrote:All I wanted to do was win with my best friend and total baddie TH.

Pro-Tip TH, I never ask questions in BTSC that I don't already know the answers to

I knew you were onto me lol

I was so sad you died.

Long Con wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I had wanted to play a stronger game in the middle there, but I honestly had no idea what was going on, or who any of the other New Rogues were, if they even had BTSC, and I was slowly being outed by people talking openly about the mind controls, and then both my kills failed, and I sorta threw my hands in the air :P I had a fun time though. On the map I mostly hung out at Granite Peak hoping somebody would show up.
Is your body there? MR forgot to mention it to me. I've been there for a couple of days now, hiding behind a hologram that would have absorbed a night kill against me.

Actually I think I died in the square right beside it. Did you get my message?

I had wanted to play a stronger game in the middle there, but I honestly had no idea what was going on, or who any of the other New Rogues were, if they even had BTSC, and I was slowly being outed by people talking openly about the mind controls, and then both my kills failed, and I sorta threw my hands in the air :P I had a fun time though. On the map I mostly hung out at Granite Peak hoping somebody would show up.

I don't think I qualify for the win but I had a lot of fun this game. Something I've wanted to say for a long time is that I never mind controlled MP the day he went crazy. That was all him! I was cracking up!

You guys are having all the fun without the deadies

Rezz plz!!!

Long Con wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Hi yes hello I'm Bass
Yes! Bass, what do you think of the current situation? Why are people off the poll?

I'm glad you asked me about that. I think I speak for everyone when I say

Hi yes hello I'm Bass

See you at the Zombie Bar SVS

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Rezz please?
That's what I'm saying, but in that other game.

It's like we''re haunting each other!

Rezz please?

Black Rock wrote:Well I'm going to vote for TH. He is my Top suspect.

See what I did there?

Oh no, I'm the only one with lame humour.

I've been using that joke for like half the game!

I do think there's something to Devin mentioning Girder just after it happens. Devin has appeared to just parrot the opinions others have had before him, all game, until that moment. I think it's a good catch Timmer. Certainly more compelling than the other cases brought forward today.

I'll join you in voting for him.

timmer wrote:TH, I'd ask you to join me in voting Devin. I think you should be willing to do that?

Can you mind control Bass to make him come along with us?

I guess I'll join Bass' speechlessness with a sullen vote for Timmer

I still don't see what the case is on him, but I have no idea what his role is and I have no idea who among you are the baddies, and it would be nice if you all were right about Timmer. Sort of a Catch-22 situation for me, no matter which way he flips I'm still suspect #1 tomorrow. Would be nice if he's the Top at least.

What do you think of FZ, timmer? She's on my shortlist of Top suspects. We haven't heard from her in quite a while but no one's been looking at her.

timmer wrote:Have we heard from Devin yet today? Id like to hear from Devin. His thoughts right now may sway my vote.

And MM, that vote port is actually a bit shocking to me. Has TH buddied up to all of myvotes like that? That's a bit crazy.

At least one of those is incorrect, I voted for Roxy on 3.1. I also think I was the first person to vote for blindfaeth on Day 3.2, or at least one of the first to make a case on him.

I think Devin popped by to say he was Pro-Team MM/Sophie, which is apparently anti-TH... because TH isn't anti-timmer.

Looks like I'm gonna take a bullet for ya buddy.

I've said time and again that I don't know what Timmer's role is and that my defense of him is based on my read of him. I've kept saying I don't think it makes sense for him to be a New Rogue given how he perceived Bass during that lynch. As for our BTSC, it was a mutual agreement to part ways and try to meet back up at Star Labs, but the lightning struck. Your theory about the New Rogues gaining BTSC on the map is not founded in anything we know about the roles MM. It's a complete fabrication meant to prop up your case and make it look more compelling.

The case against me is that I've defended Timmer.

The case against Timmer is... what, exactly?

Why have you been wanting to lynch Timmer since Day 4 Metalmarsh? Why have any of you who have been voting Timmer wanted to lynch him? And what's the reason for voting for me other than that I've defended Timmer?

I wonder if I'm being mind controlled to keep defending Timmer despite all the grief it has caused me.

Rest in peace, Llama

Why do you think I'm a baddie, Marsh?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I am not the Top or any other baddie. I realize that me defending Timmer has been most directly opposed to some of the Top's objectives, which has inadvertently made me a Top suspect, but I've had good reasons to defend Timmer and it has nothing to do with my role. BR, if I had that power I would honestly never target you with it, because I would know that you specifically would find a way to trace it back to me given our history. I don't know who's behind it but it's a clever gambit if they saw it working out exactly this way.

I still don't understand the Timmer votes, or especially the Bass votes. MM you asked me if I thought Bass was playing a civ-friendly game, my answer is yes because how else do you make sense of Bass' play? He is playing much differently than he did when we caught him as Bass 1.0. Then there's Sophie who hasn't said much this game but is strongly defending MM, which gives me pause. Sophie, why do you have so much trust in MM?

And as the player list whittles down I grow more concerned that rabbit and Soneji are inactive New Rogues rather than inactive Indies. I don't believe we've had a Murmur silence in quite some time, and Girder is almost assuredly still out there. Professor Zoom is either dead or inactive.
It's interesting that you don't mention Tar Pit or Blacksmith at all.

It's not really that interesting. I was naming the ones that would have a noticeable impact on events we could see. Girder can't be night killed so he's still alive because we haven't lynched him. Murmur is either dead or inactive because of a lack of silences. The other roles aren't worth mentioning because it's impossible to tell whether they are active/alive or not. Magenta could be saving her pardon. Blacksmith only impacts New Rogues, we have no way to tell what she's up to. Nobody has brought forward any stories of Tar Pit-related incidents, but that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't active.

But inactivity is still a cause for concern to me. Made never posted, and we lynched his replacement, and Made turned out to be a completely apathetic serial killer. I don't think rabbit would play this way as a baddie, tbh, I think he would try to get replaced. Soneji I'm not so sure about.

I am not the Top or any other baddie. I realize that me defending Timmer has been most directly opposed to some of the Top's objectives, which has inadvertently made me a Top suspect, but I've had good reasons to defend Timmer and it has nothing to do with my role. BR, if I had that power I would honestly never target you with it, because I would know that you specifically would find a way to trace it back to me given our history. I don't know who's behind it but it's a clever gambit if they saw it working out exactly this way.

I still don't understand the Timmer votes, or especially the Bass votes. MM you asked me if I thought Bass was playing a civ-friendly game, my answer is yes because how else do you make sense of Bass' play? He is playing much differently than he did when we caught him as Bass 1.0. Then there's Sophie who hasn't said much this game but is strongly defending MM, which gives me pause. Sophie, why do you have so much trust in MM?

And as the player list whittles down I grow more concerned that rabbit and Soneji are inactive New Rogues rather than inactive Indies. I don't believe we've had a Murmur silence in quite some time, and Girder is almost assuredly still out there. Professor Zoom is either dead or inactive.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:My opinion of Bass might change depending on how some people flip and if Llama ever answers the question about checking Roxy or not, but he seems okay to me so far. I wish he could back his opinions up with something other than vagueness though.
But what do you think of him at this moment, regardless of who is lynched today and how they flip? What are your current thoughts from which your opinion might change from?

He's playing differently than he did as Bass 1.0 and he's not giving himself any sort of longevity with his current playstyle if he's wrong about things. I don't see the baddie motivations for his behavior because if he's wrong he's likely to get lynched next. Actually he's getting lynched right NOW for it. Can you explain how his play makes sense if he's bad?

My opinion of Bass might change depending on how some people flip and if Llama ever answers the question about checking Roxy or not, but he seems okay to me so far. I wish he could back his opinions up with something other than vagueness though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I voted the marmot for now, he said he should be back from his backpedaling trip tomorrow so that leaves him plenty of time to participate
Why did you vote for the marmot?

To see how you and others reacted to it. And while I do find your defense sincere, I don't get why votes swung Timmer's way as a response. LC said it would suck to get lynched like that so he switched to Timmer. I don't see how that's any different from lynching MM because LC didn't give reasons for switching to Timmer.

As for me and Timmer defending each other, Timmer hasn't really defended me at all until his deduction that I'm not the Top. I don't know why my defense of Timmer concerns you then. He's the player I currently feel is least likely to be a New Rogue ,and New Rogues are who I'm trying to lynch.

FZ I'm not trying to discredit Llama's opinions. I'm trying to figure out why you are treating his opinions as if they are backed by info. From what I know of your play in Death Note and Llama's play in the same game, I was expecting you to be reacting to Llama differently.

FZ. wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I meant why did you interpret Llama's tone as more than just his opinion?
Because he came in after Dream had already more than a few votes, and said it was Dream was the right way to go. After he said before, he doesn't like info dumping, or something in those lines, I thought that he decided to finally put his own thoughts and vote in a way that won't influence us. But I forgot that he couldn't have had that information that night anyway.

But that's kind of my point... Llama doesn't want us to be influenced by his vote, but you used that as a reason to be influenced by his vote. Just seemed off to me, given the specific players that are involved.

What do you mean by the underlined bit?

I meant why did you interpret Llama's tone as more than just his opinion?

FZ. wrote:And TH, I'm not sure what it is you asked me exactly when you asked why am I putting so much faith in llama, but if you're referring to the night, I forgot there were no actions that night, sorry.

That's not what I meant.

I voted the marmot for now, he said he should be back from his backpedaling trip tomorrow so that leaves him plenty of time to participate

I think Plunder is dead and that whoever inherited Grodd's NK is not killing in favor of the Old Rogues, otherwise they would not have killed Daisy.

Llama, did you ever check Roxy to corroborate Bass' story about her?

Rest in peace Daisy

The worst part about waiting for the lynch post is the fact that DREAM clearly has not checked in yet to watch the looks on all our faces

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Okay, but it was just yesterday that Llama vouched and unvouched for a few people with just as strong words, didn't he? And even if Pied Piper info is in play, it's still not a guaranteed read, and even if it somehow was he would have said something much earlier in the lynch. I simply read it as Llama phoning it in for this lynch, tbh.

I just think we should take Llama's opinions with a grain of salt and treat them for just what they are: Llama's opinions. I was thinking FZ might have appreciated the point I'm making here most of all, which is why I'm asking her about it.
If you've got any suggestions of who we should listen to aside from llama, I'm all ears.

I was thinking about listening to Bass and Timmer

Okay, but it was just yesterday that Llama vouched and unvouched for a few people with just as strong words, didn't he? And even if Pied Piper info is in play, it's still not a guaranteed read, and even if it somehow was he would have said something much earlier in the lynch. I simply read it as Llama phoning it in for this lynch, tbh.

I just think we should take Llama's opinions with a grain of salt and treat them for just what they are: Llama's opinions. I was thinking FZ might have appreciated the point I'm making here most of all, which is why I'm asking her about it.

Long Con wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
FZ. wrote:^Maybe Dream, for the fact that I still think the killer was one of the replacements and the fact llama said to vote there. But on the other hand, she seemed really annoyed with the bandwagon, which is why I was trying to figure out what's going on, thinking there was more time.
I don't think LC is her buddy, nor SVS, so it makes me wonder if she is the baddie if everyone else voted for her. I hope she is
I meant to ask you, why did you take Llama's vouch so strongly? I guess I'm just pretty used to him , but even though Llama states his opinion so matter of factly it doesn't always mean that he knows what he's talking about.
Are you speaking of Llama's "vouch" that DREAM is a baddie?

I didn't really know what else to call it. I should have put it in quotes like you did.

FZ. wrote:^Maybe Dream, for the fact that I still think the killer was one of the replacements and the fact llama said to vote there. But on the other hand, she seemed really annoyed with the bandwagon, which is why I was trying to figure out what's going on, thinking there was more time.
I don't think LC is her buddy, nor SVS, so it makes me wonder if she is the baddie if everyone else voted for her. I hope she is

I meant to ask you, why did you take Llama's vouch so strongly? I guess I'm just pretty used to him

, but even though Llama states his opinion so matter of factly it doesn't always mean that he knows what he's talking about.

Sophie and FZ, who would you have voted for?

Bass has been pretty quiet since then, so it's tough to get a read on him. I was feeling much better about Bass 2.0 than Bass OG though, when he was talking.

Is this the Soneji bit that you're referring to BR?

Soneji wrote:I had been under the impression that the mafia in some way knew each others identities but just couldn't talk to each other until the Blacksmith used her ability on them. Basically just delayed team chat between the mafia. It just seems rather unfathomable to me that mafia do not know each others identities, the whole basis of this game is founded upon town having only knowledge of their own roles mostly while mafia knows who they all are. Then you consider that if the mafia faction killer doesn't know who his teammates are he might hit one of them. As a player and as a host it just doesn't make sense in my mind.

Did you see her reply about it? I think there's good reasons to suspect DREAM, but I don't think that line is one of them.

Black Rock wrote:I still agree with LC and think Soneji sounded like a frustrated baddie. I think he'll need to be lynched at one point.

Where did he sound like a frustrated baddie? I don't remember a single post from him.

Black Rock wrote:Also, have we seen a Plunder kill for sure? Or was that recently and what you think Dream is? Sorry, I have a lot of things going on today and can't remember everything. Right now in my mind I don't remember a Plunder kill and I have attached that role to Soneji at this present moment.

There was no Plunder kill Night 2, and then we had two mystery kills Night 4. Llama's team doesn't kill on odd nights so they were probably two baddie kills. But you're right there's been no explicit Plunder kill at all. That's part of the reason it seems so sinister.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think timmer is a different role now.
See that's interesting because I was starting to consider him for Grodd
Why is that? If you are suggesting that a mind control was put on him, and failed, then what night would that have happened? rabbit would have been cursed Night 1. Myself on Night 2. BR on Night 3. MP on Night 4. Nobody last night.

I was actually thinking something a little less baddie.

It was something that he said about LC and LC's post about Grodd a little earlier. He ruled LC out of being Grodd for a pretty whack reason. I wasn't looking at it from the mind control angle, I can't rule out that we have any of those missing. But I feel like he should have kept his vote on you, because he said he wasn't going to change it unless something big came up. Then he switched to DREAM for an offhanded remark. It felt proactively defensive on his part. That could be how he's playing it as a civvie too, it just felt... wrong. Like if he splits the vote between MM and DREAM, maybe Timmer catches a few votes and goes down in the crossfire.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think timmer is a different role now.

See that's interesting because I was starting to consider him for Grodd

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