The Syndicate

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Oh it's Sorsha for sure. I don't think we win that game unless she fools Golden and gets him in place for the recruit.

Draconus wrote:I'm pretty sure I5s marketplace had a cure for poison. Why not take it from there?

It didn't have one while I was there. The marketplace was continually refreshed with new items.

The item I chose was the warp potion, which ended up being essential to kill Epi since I could track him down and warp to his location.

I woulda checked out that island if I had had any time to explore. I knew there'd be something juicy in the hard to reach areas.

I spent my first few days wandering around a bit aimlessly. Went to J10 first because I thought there would be something neat in the corner, and found the dagger. Through Sorsha, I knew that I5 had the marketplace so I wanted to check that out. After that, all my moves were dictated by the team's mission. I teleported to Epi to stab him and take the Star Gem. Then I had a decision to make: head to the Healing Springs for the poison cure (thanks to Golden for the tip ) or run to the Statue square to recruit Dom (thanks Epi for letting me know where he was ). I decided it was more important to recruit Dom since I still had the lynch pardon. I wonder how things might have played out if I had cured myself first and then recruited Dom. I probably still would have used the pardon to save timmer, but at least I wouldn't have been implicated myself in the process.

omg timmer will be so happy to hear that one of his items fooled somebody.

juliets, I suspected you before we got info on you. Like I said, for me it was more what you weren't saying than what you were.

I did not enjoy trying to get you lynched though

I don't know, but there was a square where you could choose to send Canuck $100

sig wrote:I was so close to not going on the same square as Epi and instead going in the opposite direction.

I had the feeling one of us would die, I was hoping timmer would've killed Epi and then I could have gotten Timmer lynched and brought Dom to life. Though I didn't quite trust Epi, until we were both dead.

This was a really fun game, thanks for hosting. My role was awesome.

It was dumb luck that timmer ended up there with you guys. But we knew we had to execute the double kill if we were going to do it at all, for exactly the reason you mentioned.

So much had to come together for that to work. I found the Obsidian Dagger on my first movement, it was hidden in a black chest in a square named the Corner of Death Then at I5 I purchased a warp potion which allowed me to instantly move to Epi's square and stab him in the face.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:y u no protect me marmot

u nemesisman. Have we ever been on the same team?

Yeah that time I subbed into Film Directors and we won. Also that time I subbed into Hobbit and we lost.

Oh, and Dune! Where we brutally lost.

I have repressed all memories of Dune

Typhoony wrote:Who set off that damn Black Crystal?

timmer of course

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:y u no protect me marmot

u nemesisman. Have we ever been on the same team?

Yeah that time I subbed into Film Directors and we won. Also that time I subbed into Hobbit and we lost.

Thanks for the great game LC and BR. It exceeded all my expectations. Well hosted as always.

And this was one of my favorite teams for sure. Getting BTSC with Sorsha again after I betrayed her in the first World Apart, and then watching her swindle Golden for days, it was beautiful.

S~V~S wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:To my dear Witherdeath friends, I was really rooting for you guys. Such bad luck for you guys.

You never hung out in our chatroom Good to know you were rooting for the Typh and Tranq team and not the Turnip team. Now we know where your allegiances lie

Maybe she was hanging out with me & Juliets. We were on that team too

Yes, but you aren't one of BR's mafia foes like Typh, Tranq and myself are. :P I bet that was a fun chatroom to hang out in though.

y u no protect me marmot

And whose idea was it to poison me on Night 1? That wasn't very nice. I walked around for an entire fucking month with that ailment.

Bullzeye wrote:Most people I met died shortly after I met them, so maybe you were better off for not having done so. I was pretty sure baddies were stalking me toward the end, Mac and HB died really soon after I'd been speaking to them. On that note, I wonder if anyone ever noticed there being two of me on the map. Yin and Yang were only a couple of squares away from each other when I died the first time.

This happened to us on the first night. Sorsha and I could both see you, but we were nowhere near each other.

Black Rock wrote:To my dear Witherdeath friends, I was really rooting for you guys. Such bad luck for you guys.

You never hung out in our chatroom Good to know you were rooting for the Typh and Tranq team and not the Turnip team. Now we know where your allegiances lie

Black Rock wrote:Congrats to the winners, even if that includes Turnip Head. That's for picking on me in games.

rude

Epignosis wrote:I die for crazy reasons in your games. That why civilians lose.

I swear we were gonna let you live, you're a worthy opponent. But you were dead as soon as you picked up that Gem.

Matt wrote:MM and Turnip - So I figure LC will reveal everything in time, but give me the Cliffs notes version of what happened with Turnip's dead body. I really wanna know what happened there! Lol

This is what happened:

Long Con wrote:Dr Von Dreszenstein - Sends out his dogs each night from his square to search for experiment subjects or dead bodies. He will know who is within three squares, and choose one of those players to experiment on. Once he has found five dead bodies, he will be able to build a Monster, who can search out and kill for the Doctor.
riments:
Heart - The subject will seem to die, only to be resurrected the next phase. They will thereafter be immune to the next nightkill attempt made on them.

So basically exactly what I said happened :P

S~V~S wrote:Congrats to the winners you guys were formidable opponents. You did kill my Marmot because it was easy, but I luff you anyhow.

You guys played hard too. Killing MM was the smart play. If we thought you were civ we would have left you both alone

MacDougall wrote:Golden managed to have a baddie from both teams there claiming they were confirmed good, and one of them brought their puppy with them.



And he gets recruited and gets to win the game.

Haha, yeah. Other than assembling his original circle of trust which we promptly massacred, civ Golden was struggling. I'm sure he would have figured shit out eventually. But we gave him a higher purpose.

Golden wrote:He never knew the golden rule... you NEVER recruit civ golden, should you want your team to win. You never know if I will take you down from within.

But then they had sorsha, and I felt better since she was my buddy and she pulled the wool over my eyes good. I felt she deserved to win, so I fought for them.

Now I know who to never recruit again

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Et tu marmot? Why'd you vote for me?

You supported the idea.

What happens next? Do I get recruited to the baddies or something?

I wanted Golden to vote for me so you could kill him for me

But I have so many other options right now.

Yeah, but Golden... that dude is definitely bad.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Et tu marmot? Why'd you vote for me?

You supported the idea.

What happens next? Do I get recruited to the baddies or something?

I wanted Golden to vote for me so you could kill him for me

Et tu marmot? Why'd you vote for me?

idk man I'm probably gonna die. I'm all out of tricks.

linki: I'm here, staring death in the face.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:I guess TH is wifoming us to try and make us think he will survive.

I'm not buying.

You could vote for him and ensure it, perhaps?

I like this idea very much.

I am 100% going to die, more or less.

I'd rather be lynched than let MM be lynched tbh. I think he is the only chance the civs have to climb out of this hole. I can only hope he makes good decisions after I'm gone.

S~V~S wrote:Um, bodies are still lying around. Leaving bodies behind you would be lame. Plus there are ways to know who was on what square.

The thing that disturbs me most about this game is the stupid things I am being accused of doing. Seriously, guys.

Oh trust me, I know all about that this game

I mean that *is* WIFOM, SVS. We don't know who else was around. Maybe you had no other kill targets. To say that you would never attempt to kill someone in the same square as you... how could you as a civvie know for sure that you as a baddie would never do that? And why did you get on my case for using WIFOM to defend myself, but when you do it it's okay?

S~V~S wrote:I didn't

Killing people on the same square would be suicidal.

Only if they survive...

S~V~S wrote:So you think lynching someone who you don;t need dead to win is cool? Host verified?

My entire concept of you has changed, tbh.

Those of you that have item lists; have you heard of "warping potion"?

I'm still down to vote for Golden if you are. Funny how I'm the one accused of spewing nonsense. Golden hasn't made sense in days

I think it makes a lot of sense actually. Mac voted for me and died right afterwards. As far as I can tell, looking at voting records and Mac's post history, Mac never voted for SVS, so the Golem could not have killed Mac if he's protecting SVS.

If there's one silver lining to being lynched today, it's that the Golem should have plenty of good targets after my role is revealed.

Good luck civvies

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:He said he was "more or less 100% sure" Bass was bad; as I've been harping on, what does that even mean?

It has a very plain meaning. I gave you a link to both the definition, and then I explained exactly what I meant and why I said it. The fact you are still harping on it does not look good for you, in my opinion.

If you think it's possible that you can be "more or less" 100% sure about something, then you're the one who doesn't understand the phrase. I did not need the definition, I know what it means. You're using it wrong because those two things are mutually exclusive. You either think something is 100% true or you don't. It's basic mathematics.

More likely, I think you used "100%" to get people to think you had info, and then said "more or less" to give yourself an out. If you wanted us to think you weren't sure, you would have used a percentage less than 100. You used 100% several times that Day.

Tranq wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Tranq wrote:@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?

No team needs the Tarnished Golem dead to win. He mimics the Win Condition of the player he's watching over, but doesn't technically join their team.

Is this the answer you were looking for Tranq? No we don't need the Golem dead. I suppose we can ask him nicely to not kill anyone and lose the game for himself.

Wait, i thought the Golem is protecting you? How would he lose the game if you claim to be civ?

You're twisting the conversation. You asked what would happen if he's protecting a baddie. I do think the Golem is protecting me, but I guess everyone else thinks he's protecting SVS

I don't know what you're insinuating. I read the thread. I was trying to figure out what Sorsha and Golden have been referring to. They say they want to lynch SVS but they need to lynch you first.

Then there's this post by Golden:

Golden wrote:

Tranq wrote:

Golden wrote:If you believe SVS killed you today, I also think MM is the right choice for a lynch.

You can't be serious

You do know MMs role, right? Or believe you do?

and this one

Golden wrote:

Tranq wrote:I don't think anyone paying attention to the thread can be in doubt of MM's role.

Did you read the conversation i just had with Sorsha?

You mean... about how we get some circle and then double back on SVS later?

I would be up for that too... who do you think is the best first lynch if we go circle first...

The thing is... if SVS is trickster, and with MM in the field... I could see it being 3 v 3 right now, and one team has a potential serial killer. Thats why I think going that way isn't a bad idea. I wouldn't advocate then immediately lynching SVS the next day... its a tight needle to thread.

also this post

Tranq wrote:Cabal? Yes.
MM's role? No. The game can perfectly end with a civ win and with MM still being alive. MM wouldn't win, but the game would end

and this one

Tranq wrote:I don't think anyone paying attention to the thread can be in doubt of MM's role.

Did you read the conversation i just had with Sorsha?

And all of Tranq's posts about his plan for the Circle will get rid of you and then SVS.

I could totally see Mac having a role that needed to get votes; he played that shtick for a long time while he was alive.

I still think there's more evidence for Golden being bad than Sorsha, but I'm willing to vote Sorsha today and reevaluate Golden tomorrow. In any case I would prefer not to die today. My protector is voting that way too, so maybe he knows something.

Sorsha

Now that I think about it, I believe the Amnesiac Psycopath was a role that LC claimed to remove from the game a few days before the game started.

I have no idea what to make of that ^^

What did Mac claim that his role did?

I feel like half this game has been played behind the scenes and I've barely been a part of it

Long Con wrote:

Tranq wrote:@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?

No team needs the Tarnished Golem dead to win. He mimics the Win Condition of the player he's watching over, but doesn't technically join their team.

Is this the answer you were looking for Tranq? No we don't need the Golem dead. I suppose we can ask him nicely to not kill anyone and lose the game for himself.

See I thought Golden had info on that same lynch. He said he was "more or less 100% sure" Bass was bad; as I've been harping on, what does that even mean? He hedged his bets there while still sounding confident.

I think if Sorsha is bad, it's likely she is working with Golden. So what do you think of Golden? And where has Golden been during this crucial lynch?

I could vote for Sorsha though. Would you consider voting that way too?

I don't think Master Thief has to be bad. Llama's game had a civvie item-stealer. No, I do not think the Thief is more likely to be bad than Skrippleshitz. If you think Sorsha is the Thief... well how long have you thought that? You haven't mentioned her until lately. When did it strike you that that role could potentially be baddie?

You did not comment on that post at the time I made it SVS... what do you think of the point I was making with it, that Floyd's role does not seem baddie in nature?

Tranq wrote:@ Hosts: Would the civvies need the Tarnished Golem dead if he chose a baddie as his watched over player?

No, we would just need him to kill only baddies and to take his loss gracefully

I still think it makes much more sense that Floyd's role was Tricksterfied. Just trying to understand your point of view.

Tranq, you think Lorab is bad, and that Wilgy's flip was Trickster influenced... which team do you think Lorab is on, and which team is the Trickster on? Lorab is the only player I can see negatively benefiting from a Tricky Wilgy flip. Do you think the Trickster changed Wilgy's alignment to make Lorab look bad?

LoRab wrote:If Gollem were protecting you, th, why have we only seen 1 gollem kill? And wouldn't the gollem have changed to sk when you died briefly?

Because as I've said before, I was never really dead. I don't know why he hasn't killed more, maybe the Golem is trying to be discerning. Maybe he's not paying enough attention. I thought maybe he was dead, so

Tranq wrote:@ TH: Hmm. If the Golem is protecting you, then you shouldn't have any problem voting SVS today, right?

In theory I have no problem with this, but I thought we were going after Circle today.

Tranq wrote:If the Trickster is responsible for Floyd's flip (which is an if), i'd say it was to give Draconus or DFaraday some cred. They had been voting Floyd with me since i got rezzed and started voting Floyd. I feel like i can trust Draconus so i'm considering DFaraday as a possible dead Cabal. A better use of the Trickster ability would've been to mask DrWilgy's flip.

I don't think that makes sense. Literally everyone voted for Wilgy, why does it make sense to use the Trick on him? What would a baddie flip for Wilgy have told us about anyone? What did a civvie flip for Wilgy tell us about anyone? I don't see anyone making cases or earning cred based on Wilgy's flip.

Tranq wrote:TH: You say my logic for going after the Circle today is sound. Who do you think Timmer's 2-3 teammates are? Where do you think your vote is going to?

My vote is currently on Golden. Can we talk about Golden? Maybe Sorsha right there with him. You, if the Trickster is on the Circle team. fingersplints? She says I've given up... where has fingersplints been lately? She has barely participated and we're getting down to crunch time. Why are none of these players even being discussed? Maybe because they're all on the same team

After thinking on it more, you're right, I should not have even said anything The drunk is strong in this one. Help the civs Obi-Marmot, you're our only hope.

I only said it because I want to picture the terror in the baddies' eyes as their best laid plans go to shit by getting the facts wrong It's basic mathematics.

Why does everyone think you're protecting SVS, Marsh?

Wait, you guys think MM is the Golem, and that he's protecting SVS? Is that why you're voting MM over her?

Because I don't think the Golem is protecting SVS at all, I think he's protecting me The Golem killed Mac right after Mac voted for me.

MM, if it's true, and if I'm lynched, I know I can count on you to avenge me. Don't hurt my boy Draconus though, I think he's civ. I think Tranq fed him a pack of lies in square chat tbh. Hard to defend against these baddies if they're talking about me behind my back. Anyways I don't know that the civs have much of a chance after Golden led us like lemmings off a cliff, but maybe a serial killer on a rampage isn't the worst way for us to get back in this game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Why can't MM win with the civs?

The general assumption is that I am a non-civvie, non-baddie role or something.

Who can you win with?

LoRab wrote:TH seems less and less likely to be good.

Is this a math joke?

See, I don't think Tranq is a civvie at all I think he's on the same team as the Trickster, and they fudged Floyd's flip to lure us into a false sense of security. I do not think Floyd was bad, but he flipped bad, and Tranq was his harshest critic. As such, I doubt that team is only down to one member. His logic for going after Circle today is sound, but he's going after the wrong target in me, and he might have an ulterior motive in trying to keep SVS alive.

Tranq, do you know how you were rezzed? Who brought you back2lyfe?

Tranq wrote:@ MM: How realistic do you think the odds of a Sorsha lynch are today? I'd say pretty low, and i'm not even fully convinced she's bad atm. Vote TH if you want to lynch a Circle member.

Still waiting for someone to, like, build a case on me or something. Repeatedly calling me a baddie won't make it true.