The Syndicate

This game was really a lot of fun, thanks Mongoose!

Epi- did you have info on me or was it just a lucky guess that I was bad?

And after llama called me out as bad day one I did actually tell the team it was okay to bus me. Made and DDL weren't around though and Wilgy didn't want to.

Silly me

Boomslang wrote:My gut is telling me bad things about Sorsha. Spelling errors, shrug emoji, impatience... it doesn't read the same sort of impatience as Quin and INH, which makes me feel like it's feigned. Screw it, voting Sorsha.

Spelling errors make me bad? How about autocorrect and in not bothering to fix it because I'm on a phone at work and not supposed to be? What a lame suspicion boomslang.

That's incredibly rude

I guess I'll be voting made out of self preservation.

We've all been through the conversation of whether llama was serious or not already. I didn't take it seriously at the beginning which was what made jjj suspicious of me. He thought I should have made sure if llama was serious or not before joking about it. And he did have a reason for voting me. It doesn't take much to get lynched on day one. Saying that something wouldn't work AFTER it hasn't worked

If you think I'm really bad then just vote me Epi. I'm at work, I'm training someone and the vote ends in an hour. I can't be sitting here arginine for that long.

But I'll shoot myself and my team in the foot and lynch my own teammates. Right. That makes more sense.

juliets wrote:

Sorsha wrote: <snip>
I recognize the benefit of bussing a teammate for the credibility but, with what I was going through day one here, I would have just told my teammates to buss me for the credit. It would have been easy enough to do. wifom argument I know but really, llama and jjj were both after me day one. Its more like me to just go ahead and take the death and let my teammates take the credit.

Also, there are a few players with good voting records that have not been targeted. Why hasn't anyone tried killing niju? Her record is nearly as good as mine. Boomslang was targeted night one but since then- and his votes on both ddl and wilgy he has extremely high civ credit. Why haven't they taken another shot at him? You have also had a pretty high degree of trust in this game, why have you not been targeted?

Sorsha I guess one thing that occurs to me is you don't have that choice to get bussed if people start voting for DDL first.

I don't know why blooper and booms haven't been nk'd either. I brought that up in my discussion of Booms (at least about him).

My gut is starting to trust Scotty's assertion that he knows who LC and INH are which means my vote is probably between Made and Sorsha.

linki: ok Epi I'll just forget it and assume you were just playing and I just don't get it

Llama started his suspicion of me right off the bat this game. I'm not sure when the DDL votes started coming in vs when jjj began his case on me. But yes, with llama coming right out like that, if I was bad, I'd have told my teammates to go for it.

So you're just going to use the fact that the baddies haven't targeted me for a nk as a strike against me but not address it for who else it applies to.

Your suiting facts to fit your own narrative.

Epi, why you no answer my questions.

Or respond to my post in any way. It's like your just trying to throw some shade my way but not listen to any explanation.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:My concern with lynching Made is that he voted 3J Day 2. If he wanted to protect Wilgy, he had the avenue of precedent to vote 3J Day 3. He did not do this.

Epi who do you think is bad?

My vote is probably going to one of you, INH, LC, or Sorsha.

Yes, I realize Sorsha looks like an odd pick, but here's what I see:

Sorsha wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: Back in game-land, I do find it odd that people aren't agreeing with my case, but failing to raise any real points against it, or suggesting a practical alternative.

It's a well thought out case but what it comes down to for me is: If llama is bad why would he go after me like that? He would know I'm civ and what good would going balls to the wall and lynching a civ like that on day one do?

I am confident I can imagine an evil llama going after a civilian lynch victim Day 1 and getting away with it.

The underlined is a little confusing: Why would evil llama knowing someone is a civilian change the fact that he wants to lynch civilians?

Maybe he could get away with it, but it doesn't seem like the start a baddie would want to have in the game. It seems like civs get lynched most of the time on the first day anyhow, he didn't really need to try this to make sure of it.

Epignosis wrote: This is all she said about DDL:

Sorsha wrote:I have the worst feels for the following people:

MM- he's been present and posting but not saying much game relevant. I know that's typical Marmot, especially day one but I think there has been comment worthy material here that I'd expect him to weigh in on.

Scotty- I don't like how he so easily jumped on llamas case on me. It was still day zero and he was already prepping to jump on a Sorsha lynch-train. Very unlike Scotty who is normally a low/no poster voter, especially day one.

DDL- maybe he's just busy but he was a big poster early in ASOUE as a civ and hasn't been yet here. He's been here but like Epi pointed out, hasn't said much.

A Person, blooper, Eloh- no content but have posted

Sorsha wrote:Voting DDL to break the tie again! So much fun

It was day one and I was also made to defend myself after my first post in this game.

Let me ask everyone this: You're bad with DDL. He's getting votes but isn't around for whatever reason. Even if he were to survive and make it to Day 2, would he still not be a top candidate for the lynch? In other words, his days would be numbered. If you are bad, do you try to keep him around or do you try to salvage some credibility from his death?

In terms of the successful lynches, Sorsha has a nearly perfect record, voting at precisely the right time. Nobody at all is suspecting her.

So why haven't the Mafia tried to kill her yet?

Addendum: And holy crap there she is.

I recognize the benefit of bussing a teammate for the credibility but, with what I was going through day one here, I would have just told my teammates to buss me for the credit. It would have been easy enough to do. wifom argument I know but really, llama and jjj were both after me day one. Its more like me to just go ahead and take the death and let my teammates take the credit.

Also, there are a few players with good voting records that have not been targeted. Why hasn't anyone tried killing niju? Her record is nearly as good as mine. Boomslang was targeted night one but since then- and his votes on both ddl and wilgy he has extremely high civ credit. Why haven't they taken another shot at him? You have also had a pretty high degree of trust in this game, why have you not been targeted?

I wish I'd be able to participate more today but I have a job interview to prepare for and then work. I'll be here as much as possible though.

I did have time to go through the votes last night and made a few notes that I'll share.

Boomslang, niju and Sorsha all voted for both Wilgy and ddl
Epi broke the tie in favor of the ddl lynch day one
Made and Scotty both voted for Wilgy
INH has only voted for llama or jjj
LC has only voted for llama or jjj except for the Eloh 2.0 lynch
Juliets Has voted Eloh 2.0 and Quin

Boomslang
D1 vote- ddl 2/5
D2 vote- jjj 1/6
D3 vote -wilgy 3/8
D4 vote- quin
D5 vote- quin 1/4

Epignosis
D1 vote- ddl 5/5
D2 vote- quin 5/7
D3 vote- A Person/Eloh 2.0
D4 vote- Eloh 2.0 6/6
D5 vote- n/a

INH
D1 vote- llama 1/4
D2 vote- jjj 3/6
D3 vote- jjj 2/3
D4 vote- llama
D5 vote- llama 1/5

Juliets (replaced Sock/Daisy on Day 4)
D1 vote- n/a
D2 vote- self (as MP)
D3 vote- n/a
D4 vote- Eloh 2.0 3/6
D5 vote- Quin 2/4

LongCon
D1 vote- llama 2/4
D2 vote- jjj 5/6
D3 vote- jjj 1/3
D4 vote- Eloh 2.0 4/6
D5 vote- llama 2/5

Made
D1 vote- n/a
D2 vote- jjj 6/6
D3 vote- wilgy 6/8
D4 vote- inh 3/3
D5 vote- quin 4/4

Nijuukyugou
D1 vote-ddl 1/5
D2 vote- quin 4/7
D3 vote- wilgy 5/8
D4 vote- jjj
D5 vote- llama 3/5

Scotty
D1 vote- MP
D2 vote- quin 2/7
D3 vote- wilgy 1/8
D4 vote- inh 2/3
D5 vote- llama 4/5

Sorsha
D1 vote- ddl 4/5
D2 vote- jjj 4/6
D3 vote- wilgy 4/8
D4 vote- Eloh 2.0 2/6
D5 vote- quin 3/4

INH:From purely a voting stand point inh looks the worst. I hope to have time to look over his posts to see his interactions with the confirmed bad and what his other suspicions have been.
LC:Long Cons record is also not great. During the lc/jjj debate I sided with lc because I agreed more with what he was saying. Usually if I agree with someone as a civ I give them civ credit which is where my lc civ read came from. With more recent events (the jjj nk and the llama lynch) I need to take a step back and reevaluate how I feel about lc.
Juliets:juliets voting record is hard to evaluate obviously. She voted for Eloh 2.0 which is fine, then Quin, which is understandable given all the suspicion he has had. I'm in a tough spot with juliets- its not her fault that the first three votes if the game were missed (or the self vote by MP) but its also giving me little to evaluate there and there was no interaction between her and the confirmed baddies to look at.
Made and Scotty: have both voted for WIlgy. For these two I have to question how likely it would be that teammates would buss another after losing one in the first lynch, a NK fail on night one and having a no lynch on day two. Ending day 3 being down 2 players and both being baddies isn't something a mafia team is going to want.
Epi:From my own mafia teammate experience with Epi I know he doesn't like to bus teammates. It has been brought up that he has done it to ddl in the past though. I need to review more on Epi but I wouldn't rule him, I've been reading him as civ for most of the game so it must have been based on tone/agreeing with him because his vote record is only so-so.
Boom and niju: have both voted for both baddies. I feel like that should really eliminate them from suspicion, I could see one bus but two in three days with no civ dead yet I find hard to believe.

I have had zero caffeine so far today so hopefully this all makes sense. I hope I'll be able to go over player posts today but I don't know how much time I'll have.

Lazy river for me too.

I have to do some research before I go into suspects for today.

Darn, rip llama

Voted Quin

I would like to know what llamas plan would be though, if we lynch one of you three and they flipped civ. I don't think we're in a position to just lynch through all three of you to see if he is correct.

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:LC, if you think his axis of evil theory doesn't have credibility then who do you think is his baddie partner?

I don't know who the last baddie is. I don't really see how the second half of your question follows the first in any logical way.

Why does the axis of evil theory have credibility?

Because they were all bad/suspicious votes

Quin wrote:I don't know what axis of evil means.

"The definition of axis of evil is a term that former United States President George W. Bush used to describe countries which he thought were involved with terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. An example of countries identifed by Bush as the axis of evil were Iran, Iraq and North Korea."

In this game it's you, inh and LC that llama believes are involved in poor denim fashion choices and murder.

Long Con wrote:Is it HIS axis of evil? Was he the genesis of that feels-good-but-has-little-credibility theory?

I believe so. This is the first mention o can see of it, from day 4:

thellama73 wrote:I'm eliminating Eloh and SD from my "willing to lynch" list today, and here's why.

INH, LC, and Quin all have terrible voting records and other reasons to suspect them. They have all voted with each other on every lynch. I do not believe that the two remaining baddies would have voted together on every lynch, so I believe that one, but not more than one, of them is bad.
If we find the bad one, I would be willing to eliminate the other two from my suspicions and look elsewhere. That would be enormously helpful information. Now the question is, which one?

You are one of his axis of evil though.

Scotty wrote:So to @Sorsha and @Boomslang is a big reason you aren't looking to vote llama because you have a proclivity to not vote presumably silenced players?

I don't think llama could say anything here that would make me reach into my baseball bag and put on my practice glove any more. I kinda think I'm ready for the majors, tbh.

That and I do think he's the denim shirt. So I guess it doesn't matter if he's lynched today since he will still survive. I've been silenced and lynched while being civ and it sucks.

You believe he is bad?

Oh duh.... I knew that LC (about Quin)... but I don't think Quin is hinting that role.

This is a tough lynch. I don't like lynching people who are silenced (and dont suspect llama anyway so I won't be voting there). I haven't had any suspicion of LC until today, the jjj kill last night coupled with the push to lynch a silenced player doesn't make me feel good about him though.

Linki- I could go for Quin

Long Con- where do you stand on Quin today? Llama suspicion aside

Epignosis wrote:Less than ninety minutes and very little has been said. I feel like people just wait for a bandwagon to form and then jump on one.

Day ends tomorrow, not tonight

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Okay, I think I get who you're thinking it is.

I feel like it's so obvious that I would say the name... but better safe than sorry.

Now that you see it, do you feel me on the Llama thing, or am I jumping to conclusions?

I don't think the other person you think is hinting at the role is actually hinting at that role. He's given other reasons for what he's been doing.

Okay, I think I get who you're thinking it is.

As for the JCN/JACEN thing- you think Mongoose is giving hints about how to track down the mafia.... or what? Where are you going with this?

I did notice the comment by llama but haven't noticed a hint by anyone else.

So you think llama is lying about it LC? Or the other player is?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:The suspect pool is narrow but there's no room for a pass while we wait on content. Ok.

That's right. We don't have an infinite number of day phases to screw around. Every single day survived by a baddie is a significant victory for their team. That's literally how I approach the game when I am bad -- what do I have to do to make it to the next day phase?.

Elohcin not being here is not an indicator that she's a civilian. It doesn't matter to me.

This is a good point... points actually.

Ok I'll vote Eloh. I don't know what's happening to my jay suspicion.

Also, reading bloopers big post about llama I'd have expected her to vote him and not jay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All:

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch Elohcin.

What do we learn if she flips civ?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

~ Process of elimination

~ Her suspicions of Epi and I look fake

~ She requested an extension and didn't do anything with it

~ Her Wilgy vote was too late to mean anything, and when she answered to that it was pretty much to second my own comments.

~ I am less personally invested in the circumstantial replacement-relevant suspicion, but it exists.

I guess this has blossomed into more than just the circumstantial case Epi gave when she replaced back in.

I could go this route today since no one wants to vote jay with me.

I'm leaning jay

I could probably vote Quin, the post he made about himself gives more than one reason why he could have/should have been lynched. It seems the day he was off the poll pushed him off the radar.

I could also still vote for jay. I was trying to find where LC dropped the suspicion of him but couldn't. I did keep getting sidetracked by other posts that I brought up. I did see where jay said his suspicion of LC was lessened, but not LC's of jay.

thellama73 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

thellama73 wrote:^ I find it hard to believe that INH would have asked Wilgy if he was down for a Llama lynch in thread. Being teammates, he would already know the answer to that. I feel better about INH from this ISO

Why did you say this but then keep inh on your suspect list?

Because that was a thousand years ago and much has changed since then.

It wasn't a thousand years ago, it was Tuesday night.

A few posts after that one you listed your suspicions and inh was still on it then too.

It was literally a thousand years ago.

I said I felt better about INH, but I never said I didn't suspect him at all. The empirical evidence is quite strong. At the time I made that post (which, to reiterate, was a thousand years ago I was probably least suspicious of INH out of anyone on my suspects list. Things he has said since then, and things others have said since then, and my own continuing ruminations on the state of the game now lead me to believe that he is the most likely suspect.

We are all trapped in the deathless world of Mongoose. Tuesday night really was 1,000 years ago. Mongoose is the Jean Genie and has us all trapped in her bottle. None of the dead players are actually dead, they just escaped.

thellama73 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

thellama73 wrote:^ I find it hard to believe that INH would have asked Wilgy if he was down for a Llama lynch in thread. Being teammates, he would already know the answer to that. I feel better about INH from this ISO

Why did you say this but then keep inh on your suspect list?

Because that was a thousand years ago and much has changed since then.

It wasn't a thousand years ago, it was Tuesday night.

A few posts after that one you listed your suspicions and inh was still on it then too.

Quin wrote:Meh. I'm basically Dom in Mad Max right now

I'm 2 for 2 on the count of throwing untimely defenses for flipped baddies and I've had a now-dead civ role blocker call me out on the night nobody died. I'm sure there's a point where even a civ just needs to put his hands up and say 'get it over with'. I've hit that point. I'll probably join 3J on the legacy front tomorrow.



This is the second game in a row I've suggested my own lynch. God damn.

I wish all suspicion posts could be as short and to the point as this one Quin made (against himself )

thellama73 wrote:^ I find it hard to believe that INH would have asked Wilgy if he was down for a Llama lynch in thread. Being teammates, he would already know the answer to that. I feel better about INH from this ISO

Why did you say this but then keep inh on your suspect list?

INH- did you ever answer this question?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:I will say that the last second flood of Wilgy votes once it was clear 3J ain't going nowhere rustles my jimmies a little bit. Couple of folks really wanted some credit, methinks.

Which votes in particular stood out to you?

I find the points on inh convincing. One problem I have with voting for him though is that I agree with his suspicion on jay...

Also... Long Con- what happened to your suspicion of jay?

I know still have some catching up to do yet but I'm not understanding how jay and LC were at each other's throats for days and now nothing.

Sorry I've been absent today. It's been way too busy for me this past day to keep up. I don't even know if I'll be able to before day ends

insertnamehere wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'll most likely be voting for jjj also today. I'd hate to see a no lynch but I'm going to hope that he's lying about either his prize or what happens.

If Wilgy is the second most vote recipient that would be good I think. Hopefully if jay does have immunity it'll just go to the next highest and I've got no reason to believe Wilgy is civ.

Why don't you just vote Wilgy today and Jay tomorrow then? Why risk an actual no lynch happening?

Ok.

I dislike both parts of this interaction.

Oh well

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'll most likely be voting for jjj also today. I'd hate to see a no lynch but I'm going to hope that he's lying about either his prize or what happens.

If Wilgy is the second most vote recipient that would be good I think. Hopefully if jay does have immunity it'll just go to the next highest and I've got no reason to believe Wilgy is civ.

Why don't you just vote Wilgy today and Jay tomorrow then? Why risk an actual no lynch happening?

Ok.

I don't mean to tell you what to do. I just think that mislynches are generally more useful than no lynches.

No it's fine. Sometimes I need people to make up my mind for me.

Boomslang wrote:Voting Wilgy as well. I think trying for a JJJ lynch this phase is foolish, as is assuming that the lynch will slide onto the second-highest vote getter. I feel comfortable with a Wilgy lynch, and I think the info we get from that even if he does flip civ will be more valuable than confirming JJJ's item this round.

Linki w/Sorsha: I feel like your perception is being colored by the fact that we had a no-lynch yesterday. If it hadn't been so recent, you wouldn't be so sure about the item.
Linki w/Llama: Yes, also it'd be in keeping with the game spirit :P

I also feel like LC came out pretty hard with the "you're lying" against jay... if LC is right then jay possibly won't be lynchable tomorrow.

I don't know. I'm at work right now so it's hard for me to concentrate on the game right now so you're probably right. Voted Wilgy.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'll most likely be voting for jjj also today. I'd hate to see a no lynch but I'm going to hope that he's lying about either his prize or what happens.

If Wilgy is the second most vote recipient that would be good I think. Hopefully if jay does have immunity it'll just go to the next highest and I've got no reason to believe Wilgy is civ.

Why don't you just vote Wilgy today and Jay tomorrow then? Why risk an actual no lynch happening?

Ok.

thellama73 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'll most likely be voting for jjj also today. I'd hate to see a no lynch but I'm going to hope that he's lying about either his prize or what happens.

If Wilgy is the second most vote recipient that would be good I think. Hopefully if jay does have immunity it'll just go to the next highest and I've got no reason to believe Wilgy is civ.

Why the heck would that happen?

Because I refuse to believe that there are going to be multiple opportunities for no-lynches to happen. There's a role that has it and ties are no lynches... and now prizes being handed out are going to give no lynches? This game will never end!

I'll most likely be voting for jjj also today. I'd hate to see a no lynch but I'm going to hope that he's lying about either his prize or what happens.

If Wilgy is the second most vote recipient that would be good I think. Hopefully if jay does have immunity it'll just go to the next highest and I've got no reason to believe Wilgy is civ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:So, your obviously not made up and totally 100% real lynch exemption will cause a no lynch if you receive the most votes?

Or will the second most vote getter get the noose?

It's an immunity. I assume that would function to result in a no lynch. That's what I've normally seen around here. Do you know of a precedent for the second place thing?

Did you clarify that it's a no-lynch? You got the okay to talk about your prize in the thread but you didn't clarify what would actually happen in the event that you got the most votes when your prize is in play?

Elohcin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think that y'all need to give me at least day to prove myself, I would hope.

I don't necessarily oppose that notion, but if you were to receive that kind of "extension" it'd be vital that you use it to your fullest advantage. The only read of yours that I have an idea of is Quin; it'd be good to know how you feel about everyone else.

No pressure, right?

Well, after reading through the thread today, I have two suspicions.
#1 is Wilgy. Quiet...quiet...quiet....And then he is here with fire. Makes me wonder if he is bad, was laying low, and then suddenly felt the need to come in and defend himself because his teammates said so.
#2 is Epi. I know I kind of said this, but I replaced in and he was on me before I could post. Really? I understand there is a possibility that someone comes back bad, but don't you think you ought to give them a chance to at least speak first? If he is civ, I would think he would want to at least hear from me. If he is bad, jumping on me before I can even say anything is an amazing opportunity for him because he KNOWS I am no good at defending myself even if I am civ.

I would be willing to vote either Epi, Wilgy, or Quin today.

So if Epi is bad you believe he started the lynch on day one to get rid of his own teammate- DDL?

As much faith as I put into spouse reads of one another the suspicion Epi voiced of you yesterday was strange to me. It wasn't based on anything you've done but on a probability. Or something.... I don't know if I'm conveying what I mean accurately or not. But I think you get what I mean.

I know you're one to look at things from both sides ("would a baddie do/say this" / "would a civvie do/say this") and it seems like you're not doing that this game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con, in however many words you like:

Why am I bad?

Find out next time on Baddies Say the Darndest Things!

How about some feedback on LC? I feel like I am being ignored, including by people I trust, and it's driving me insane.

I don't mean to be ignoring it. I did read it, I just disagree that LC is bad and posting from a phone doesn't really let me go point by point and say why I think you're wrong.

Long Con wrote:I voted JJJ... this funky daytime rumble deserves a shakeup. If you agree that he's bad and lying about unlynchability, join me!

Or, vote Wilgy. That's cool too in my books.

You didn't answer me earlier as to why you'd think he's lying... maybe if you were clearer about why you think that.