The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:Deal with it mate. Jack has a team. My job is to find them. I don't accomplish that by going, "Okay, voting Jack."

Why did you vote for me?

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.
I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?
My vote isn't on you. It's on notsawyer for the horrible theory about me he just posted.

Epignosis wrote:I took my vote off of Wilgy and placed it on MM.

And I forgot Quin was even in this.

I'm busy.

Why'd you put your vote on me. You just asked everyone where they'd vote and why. What's your why?

Epignosis wrote:After reviewing MacDougall's posts and checking some time stamps, I'm not going to vote for him today.

Why time stamps?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I don't like the cut of this jackofhearts character's jib. Voting there.
Well I don't like that your avatar is what you'd get if Diablo fucked a sharptooth.

But I don't vote for stupid reason.

My question about Jack and Mac playing together.

This is their first interaction in this game, and possibly even ever. Jack doesn't strike me as particularly brash (his posts after his reveal aside), yet he responded to a player who is with a flippant post like this.

Smells fishy to me.

DrWilgy wrote:
Marmot wrote:Have MacDougall and jack played together before?

You ignoring me Marmot?

Nope, I must have missed your question.

I'm neutral on you. I tend to associate concerted effort from you with your civilian playstyle, but I also know that can't always be the case.

At this moment, I would not vote for you.

Have MacDougall and jack played together before?

Marmot wrote:Beats me. Been playing here for three years and I don't think I've had BTSC with you once.

Or Sockface. And you guys are the only two players who have more posts on this site than I do!

I'd like to file a complaint with the admin team.

Linki: Alrighty then.

Epignosis wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Also, my team is Epi, LC, Marmot and Quin.
I've never been mafia with Epignosis though.

Or llama, or Sockface. How the hell does that happen?
Really?

I need to host something and make us bad together.

Beats me. Been playing here for three years and I don't think I've had BTSC with you once.

Why do you think he's civilian that is?

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Epi, what are your current thoughts on DF?
That he needs to speak more.

But I'd call him a civilian at this moment.

Why?

Wow, I botched that line.

DrWilgy wrote:
Marmot wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Also, my team is Epi, LC, Marmot and Quin.
I've never been mafia with Epignosis though.

Or llama, or Sockface. How the hell does that happen?
But we've been teammates! That's all you need right???

All you need is love love!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Also, my team is Epi, LC, Marmot and Quin.

I've never been mafia with Epignosis though.

Or llama, or Sockface. How the hell does that happen?

thellama73 wrote:
Marmot wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Metalmarsh89, I see you have placed your vote on Epignosis. Is that a sincere suspicion?
All of my suspicions are sincere.

This one is just a sincere tinfoil.
Would you be willing to talk about your tinfoil a little?

Not really, I'll realize how silly it sounds if I do.

thellama73 wrote:Metalmarsh89, I see you have placed your vote on Epignosis. Is that a sincere suspicion?

All of my suspicions are sincere.

This one is just a sincere tinfoil.

Those Republican assholes are eliminating women at an alarming rate.

Hillary would be most displeased, as am I.

G-Man wrote:Sorry for not answering a few points earlier. At 6:30 pm (just as dinner was almost finished cooking) my five-year-old threw up in stunning fashion, leaving her mark in three rooms and a hallway. I'll be calling an upholstery cleaner tomorrow about deodorizing the couch cushions.

S~V~S wrote:Are the dead allowed to vote in night polls?
Hillary Points may be earned by any player, dead or alive, throughout the course of the game. +1 Hillary Point for asking an important question related to Hillary Points.

Epignosis wrote:Self-voting is illegal though, so I don't know how that would've played out.
Self-voting is indeed illegal. Violating that rule would result in the self-vote being disregarded in the official tally. Breaking the rules will also result in the loss of all of the offender's Hillary Points.

What if the offender has negative Hillary Points?

Epignosis wrote:Technically, MM created it. Lynch him.

And I'll take the responsibility you dolt.

DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote: My sincerest apologies for the host error. The two names/rolecards are neighbors in my secret hosting lair and I grabbed the wrong one when starting my post.
Wait, did you post, delete, then post?
Nothing gets by you.
IGNORE MY THOUGHTS REGARDING THE MARMOT

Damn straight.

Go figure.

Sorry SVS.

DrWilgy wrote:Marmot is bad. Womp womp.

That's not what the host post said.

Erm, what?

Go figure.

Sorry SVS.

Mac's like your regular Conservative, making things far bigger than they need to be.

Disclaimer: I'm just trying to get Hillary points, I don't actually think this way about Conservatives, and think they're wonderful people.

Epignosis wrote:And you didn't vote.

That sounds like something a Republican would say! You know, 'cause they're right wing.

Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:Hmm, at the risk of playing the devil's advocate, I don't think the fact SVS celebrated first and then asked about the alignments necessarily makes her bad. You come in, you skim the results, see it's not a civ, and also that there is something going on and the others' posts look like something good happened, so you celebrate. Only then do you actually dive into the results.

The part where SVS doesn't really give any suspects or tries to hunt for them makes me much more worried than the thing mentioned above, though. She claims that it just annoys her that we're not voting Jack, but why not discuss things in the meantime anyway?

I always expect baddies to do a better job and look like they are actually hunting, so I don't like to lynch those not trying hard enough, because it seems too easy. But playing on this site has taught me that plenty of baddies don't try hard enough, so I don't know. Maybe SVS is not in the mood to play that much and didn't like getting to be a baddie.
If there's anything giving me pause, it's this.

Does anyone have any reason to believe S~V~S is a civilian?

Not really.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Marmot

You should keep an eye on my vote it could go anywhere!

Just remember that your ballot won't be accepted if you punch a hole for each candidate.

DrWilgy wrote:I'm ok with this. It'll shed light on my DF suspicion anyways.

Oh I see, I didn't realize this was your vote intent post.

But you did have a precedence to suspect SVS, so I saw nothing wrong with your vote. I was more concerned with jack's.

Oh, and of course, WIFOM is a thing here, and the true enemy of the state.

DrWilgy and jack both snuck in with votes on SVS. That's interesting.

Jack would get no credit if he voted on the lynch of a mafia member. He doesn't have a lot to gain by putting his vote there if SVS is his teammate, especially to tie the lynch the way it is.

But hey, the day isn't over yet, things could happen.

FZ. wrote:Say it is SVS. Who would be bad with her?

Jack.

Do I need to find another potential teammate to justify my suspicion?

I used addition twice to reference the same thing. Bad marmot.

FZ. wrote:I always expect baddies to do a better job and look like they are actually hunting, so I don't like to lynch those not trying hard enough, because it seems too easy. But playing on this site has taught me that plenty of baddies don't try hard enough, so I don't know. Maybe SVS is not in the mood to play that much and didn't like getting to be a baddie.

This is what I think is the case.

Additionally, the mafia had a teammate exposed on Day 1 in addition to having a potential ally lynched. I would expect them to be annoyed.

I'm voting SVS.

I don't know what else she could have meant.

S~V~S wrote:I think someone trying to set up you most likely.

thellama73 wrote:
Marmot wrote: Per FZ's defense to your accusation earlier, she made a particular statement about "knowning her own role and no one else's". With this in mind, wouldn't a civilian have just as much if not more reason to waffle, based on their lack of knowledge?

Linki: That she's mafia.
Civvies may well have more reason to waffle. But my observation is that baddies do it more often.

I suppose that could be valid.

I haven't done any studies myself. I just eat waffles for breakfast every now and again.

Marmot wrote:
Epignosis wrote:S~V~S left her vote on Quin Day 1 after a dispute, and now she shows no interest in finding Jack's team, making weak excuses about him being a distraction. She also acted like I was an insane person for suggesting she would kill Eloh when she has complained before about mafia killing high profile people. She wanted to mince words about being a low-poster versus being blendy.

None of this agrees with me.

MM, why do you feel the way you do?
I agree with the majority of these points.

Additionally, SVS's playstyle tends to clash with mine. When I've suspected her in the past, and she's civilian, she has responded to my suspicions with a vengeance. But in this game, she has yet to address my suspicion, or anyone's really.

I take that back, she did respond to Epignosis's accusation with regards to Elohcin being nightkilled.

Long Con wrote:Were there any S~V~S-Jack interactions before the Day 1 reveal?

If S~V~S is Jack's teammate, is there a reason why she would want to stop investigation into his posts? If there is nothing connecting S~V~S to Jack in those Day 1 posts, then a baddie S~V~S would be more than happy to bless a full investigation that could easily implicate others.

SVS never talked to or about jack on Day 1.

I know jack interacted with her, but I'll have to look up those posts.

Epignosis wrote:S~V~S left her vote on Quin Day 1 after a dispute, and now she shows no interest in finding Jack's team, making weak excuses about him being a distraction. She also acted like I was an insane person for suggesting she would kill Eloh when she has complained before about mafia killing high profile people. She wanted to mince words about being a low-poster versus being blendy.

None of this agrees with me.

MM, why do you feel the way you do?

I agree with the majority of these points.

Additionally, SVS's playstyle tends to clash with mine. When I've suspected her in the past, and she's civilian, she has responded to my suspicions with a vengeance. But in this game, she has yet to address my suspicion, or anyone's really.

And here's a case of WIFOM for you, but jack has only talked on topic to two players since his reveal: Epignosis, who he's spent the majority of time talking to, and SVS, who he addressed with this single post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Quin wrote:One benefit to lynching Jack today is to remove the WIFOM factor from his posts. Since he became confirmed he's only interacted with Epi. I refuse to read into that but I can see it being argued one way or another.

I realise we shouldn't be arguing about Jack right now, but that needed to be said
He's probably interacting with Epi since Epi is in charge of saving him.

Let's make a deal; if we lynch anyone other than Jack, and they are not bad, we lynch Jack next, no arguments, no questions. I have played whole games as an outed baddie and the longer you let it go on, the harder it is to get rid of the outed one. If we lynch someone who IS a baddie, I will shut up and tow the party line re lynching Jack.

Although, again, I would much rather lynch Jack.
This deal is bad for American.

America, the greatest country in the world.

We have a responsibility to protect me...I mean democracy, from deals like this that only undermine my irrational pandering. If you don't like wine in front of me, you need to accept Jesus into your heart. Jesus drank wine. He didn't smoke pot.

*cringe smile*

S~V~S wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Let me try that again: Stop worrying about the outed member of the mafia. Who are his teammates and why? Go after them.
At this point he's just a distraction. Here we all are arguing over whether to Lynch him or not rather than discussing alternatives.

Make the outed baddie go away.

There's this post, where SVS wants to push discussion down an avenue other than Jack. Fine, that makes sense.

But we haven't seen one from her yet. Votes aside, other players are discussing potential teammates of jack., and SVS hasn't participated.

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:To answer Epi's question, If I had to pick teammates for Jack right now, they would be Wilgy and Notsawyer. (I finally accomplished my promised reread of Notsawyer, and I feel no better about him. His day 1 posting was Waffle House.) I remain of the opinion that it's better to lynch a sure thing earlier and take risks later, due to greater volume of in-thread info.
Why do people think "waffling" means you're bad? It isn't hard to be bad and take firm stances. I do it all the time.

Llama, for notsawyer to be bad, that would mean he is on Jack's team. You know, the guy you kept mixing him up with. Do their interactions look like teammate interactions?
I regard waffling as a baddie tell, simply because I've seen it be a baddie tell so many times. There is a tendency to want to cover one's back. If you don't mind me saying so, you are a more accomplished baddie than most. Others who lack your confidence get nervous about sticking their neck out when bad, and prefer to try to have things both ways. To sound "reasonable". I understand this, as when I began my mafia career, I frequently got lynched for coming on too strong and being unreasonable (although this seems to have diminished in recent years.)

Yes, I looked at their interactions. I didn't see anything there that definitively said "teammates" to me, but neither did I see anything to rule it out (unlike Long Con's, which DEFINITIVELY PROVE that he's not a Jack teammate.) Yeah, I think it's possible.

Per FZ's defense to your accusation earlier, she made a particular statement about "knowning her own role and no one else's". With this in mind, wouldn't a civilian have just as much if not more reason to waffle, based on their lack of knowledge?

Linki: That she's mafia.

Epignosis wrote:Here's an exercise: Jack isn't outed. You are a role checker who caught him. Now you're looking for his team. Who are they?

I would check you first so that I might be able to put down my tinfoil hat.

I would check SVS to see if my intuition is correct on her.

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to bed but one more observation first: SVS admonished us for wasting time talking about Jack and suggested we talk about other suspects instead. She hasn't said anything since. Is she eager for discussion, or not?

I noticed this too, and it's a reason I'm suspicious of her.

I don't understand your point, and I'm not going to wait around for FZ to answer to hear your point.

Epignosis and FZ were talking about Scotty, so what teammate could you mean?

thellama73 wrote:And it would be nice if you would let people answer for themselves, Metalmarsh89.

A wise man once said.

thellama73 wrote:Don't tell me what to do.

thellama73 wrote:In the course of my rereads, I came across this:

FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:If Scotty is bad, isn't this the time his team is supposed to tell him to get in here?
Or they're throwing him to the wolves.
Let's hope so. I forgot how stressful this game is
Why so stressed on Day 1, FZ? You haven't been a serious contender for a lynch. Worried for a teammate perhaps?

Is Scotty her teammate?

thellama73 wrote:I have to say, I'm a little annoyed at Floyd. He has four posts, none of them containing actual content He missed the lynch vote. This is the second game I've played with him in short succession where he has done this. If he's a civ, he's a useless one. If he's mafia, he's escaping with very little scrutiny. At times like this I feel like returning to my low-poster lynching strategy of yore.

It worked in that other game where you bussed your teammate.

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