The Syndicate

Rico, do you have a copy of the Day 11 lynch poll anywhere?

FZ. wrote:Why is my vote meaningless? You voted motel room in the lynch between Drac and motel room. No, my vote is not meaningless. Unlike you, I was going strong after all baddies that were revealed from the group I assume it was.
Motel room. I voted for him twice, pretty early on the wagon. I voted for Wilgy, yeah he didn't die and I didn't vote for him the day after, but it was between him and Drac and I didn't know who to believe. What can I say? If that makes me bad, so be it.

If you people vote for me instead of the actual scum, I'll be so pissed, you have no idea.

linki: Thank god you're here, Rico. Can you put some sense into MM?

I didn't even know about the feeding

And this is why I hesitate. You have been the civvie's best friend the whole game. Hell, you've even voted for llama baddies more than Matt has.

Unfortunately, every time you voted for a llama baddie, it looks like that the baddies would have been under the impression that the player would not be lynched.

Day 9 - You vote for motel room, he leads the vote, but Draco is lynched
Day 10 - You vote motel room, I lead the vote but Draco is lynched
Day 11 - Fark, there's not Day 11 poll.

I think you voted Mac though. I also know you wouldn't hesitate to bus a teammate close to end game like that. :P

Ricochet wrote:Oh look, we're completely effing divided on lylo Day.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:That's a really good point Matt.

I don't want to think about what would have happened if Golden hadn't switched.
Wtf I found it pointing at the opposite. Why would Mac (actively) and Wilgy (indirectly) get teamie FZ up in the tie chaos and trouble?

Is anyone reading what I'm writing?

You'll notice that's the conclusion I came to later. :P

FZ. wrote:Give me one good reason for your first sentence. Why? Why am I the last baddie? You've seen me up close as a baddie, was I like that? Your initial instincts reading me were correct. I messed up in some stages of the game, mostly regarding LC and possibly Dom who I also suspected, but other than that, I think I'll come out of this game feeling pretty good about my instincts.

We talked so much about how Matt's tunnelling of you was an easy way to not have to deal with other things and point fingers to the actual baddies. Mac has done it too, after that. I can't believe you actually think there's more chance of me being bad than him. COME ON!!

linki: I don't even understand what feeding each other lynch votes mean

I know I've seen you up close and in person as a baddie. But right now, it's process of elimination. There are very few things pointing to you being mafia. But there are more things in my mind that point to Sorsha and Matt being civ.

I know this response is incredibly unclear, but that's basically it. If not Sorsha, and if not Matt, then who else?

Feeding is one of the baddie's powers. He feeds someone to remove a lynch vote from them. But only one baddie had that power. Not sure what he meant by they'd be feeding each other.

I need to sleep on everything. I'll see what I'm feeling tomorrow.

As of right now, my list of who's potentially bad and thus my lynch preference is as follows.

Paprycomelet
Metalmarsh (tb/ge)
Sorsha
Matt
FZ.

I know I said I wouldn't vote her, but she had no reaction to Mac getting lynched, and hasn't posted in 30 hours. This is bugging me.

Also, where the heck is Sorsha. This very well might be the final day phase, and she hasn't posted yet (though she's posted in other places).

Most of me thinks FZ is the last baddie.

A point against Matt though, is the kill choice. If Matt is bad, he would have killed bea no question in my mind. FZ on the other hand, I think is less clear on who she would have killed.

Also Matt, I know the Day 3 vote was wild. But a point in FZ's favor is that MacDougall had his vote on FZ, and if I recall correctly, he actually put the vote there to tie FZ with LoRab (and Jay as well).

FZ had so many people civ-reading her at that point in the game, it didn't make much sense to bus her.

We do have 24 hours less time to discuss things, but at least I know I'll be here at the deadline now. Good night peeps. You've all been Champions.

That's a really good point Matt.

I don't want to think about what would have happened if Golden hadn't switched.

Wait what? 48 hours?

I wasn't expecting that.

Anyway, I do think you are right Matt. That only possible way, in my mind, that Sorsha is bad is if there is more than one baddie left. But that's not possible.

So it's you or FZ. I have a really hard time thinking you are bad Matt, but I'm going to at least consider the possibilities before the day is done. I had a really hard time seeing FZ as bad as of a couple days ago.

Oy Matt.

RULES RULES RULES RULES RULES!!!!!

Ricochet wrote:What I really meant is to stop with the lynch Rico banter. I can just easily say hey lynch the Marmot and concede, at least he won't win, since he apparently hinted at not wanting to die.

That was a joke, and probably the first time I've said such a thing in this game.

But sure, moving on. If I had to pick a player (other than myself) who I would not vote today, it would be Sorsha.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ricochet

Just in case Papryco is the last mafia and all we have to do is thread-vote him.
You're going to win alongside the llama themed team, if we fail. Please stop talking.

You can't walk this road alone mate. Civs may not be a team, but teamwork is a necessity to win. I'm fighting alongside you guys, and my win con is not as simple as you (or anyone) wants to lay it out to be. You should make a decision now if you believe that I'm pro-civ or not, because it's far too late to continue with the unenthusiastic "you're gonna win anyway". Either way, I'm still alive, and I'm going to post and I'm going to try to find that last mafia.

Ricochet

Just in case Papryco is the last mafia and all we have to do is thread-vote him.

If I had to vote right now, it would be FZ.

But I don't have to vote right now, and I'm not that committed to a decision either.

Ricochet wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Hey Rico...you will not make this putt...jackass!

Happy Gilmore.

I'm sorry bea. I was so certain.

I have been utterly fooled by somebody. The question is, Who?

Ricochet wrote:
Golden wrote:Frankly of those on the list that I played in I seriously loved them all.

It doesn't hurt that I was still playing in very close endgames in three of them.
And won two of them.

Then again, my record is 100%, based on two games. Non-civvie in both. Did not play the other three.

I won the same 2 games that you did, but I played in all 5. I wonder if anyone else played in all 5. TH? SVS?

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I feel a bit like Epignosis saying this, but mafia's objective is to kill, not perform mindtricks.
Unless your name is Yagami Light, in which case this is your job.
Shall I just say I get the joke or shall I say I don't get the joke?

I was being serious.

Ricochet wrote:I feel a bit like Epignosis saying this, but mafia's objective is to kill, not perform mindtricks.

Unless your name is Yagami Light, in which case this is your job.

Well Mac had a Protecting role. That normally comes with a civ. Maybe it's things like that made LC trust people he shouldn't have.

FZ. wrote: I am going to shut up about the results of the lynch. So many bad words come to mind Well played Mac!

bea wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Oh well hopefully bea is this ahriman character I keep hearing so much about and magically has 3 extra votes. Then we'll soon be talking about civ MVP bea.
No mvp. Sadly no extra votes. I did try in my own way though. Won't know till the end if it was ever actually useful. I'm sorry mac. I really do believe we shouldn't lynch you.
Am I the only one who thinks Bea's post lynch defense of Mac was intentional? This reeks of trying to make it look like she thought there is no way he would come out bad and didn't even look at the results before posting it, when in fact, she did.

No. I think everyone who lives tomorrow is going to end up voting bea tbh.

bea wrote:You get lucky and the newt votes with the civ.

Look I'm stuck by the short hairs here. I can't defend against being patently wrong about literally everyone I trusted (lc ironically being the only one I put my trust in correctly. ) I thought dh was civ. I was wrong. I thought drac was civ. I was wrong. I thought wigly was civ. I was wrong. I thought Mac was civ and I was wrong.

I had reasons that hard hard for me to express without rule breaking. I'm boned regardless of what happens at this point. When you see my role you will cry. Then when you see how I got to where I did you will laugh even harder at me than you did just a bit ago. Queen nub is ever present.

I've been voting and helping lynch baddies for the past 4 day phases.

You and Mac both seem to have this thing in common where you don't exhibit any trust in me.

Ricochet wrote:I'd like to see a Mafia concede for once on this website. It's common practice everywhere else, when they're beyond dun goofed.

Do it, bea! Don't let your dreams be dreams.

I don't think I've ever seen such a thing. At least not the final baddie. I've seen others give up and shut up early in the game.

Don't kill me tonight, please and thanks.

bea wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Oh well hopefully bea is this ahriman character I keep hearing so much about and magically has 3 extra votes. Then we'll soon be talking about civ MVP bea.
No mvp. Sadly no extra votes. I did try in my own way though. Won't know till the end if it was ever actually useful. I'm sorry mac. I really do believe we shouldn't lynch you.

Good game MacDougall. You performed admirably.

Ricochet, that role was in llama's Oblique Strategies, Brian Eno Mafia.

Ricochet wrote:Can't tell if bea committed suicide or if the remaining baddie is Matt. If someone out there can still block or do something relateable, do it to Matt.

linki: Is that an Islam Psalm?

I really don't think it's Matt at this point. Gotta be bea.

MacDougall wrote:Why would I indeed.

Because he's your baddie baddie partner?

EBWOP: posts, not votes.

Ricochet wrote:Uh, motel was able to vote on the night he survived. Nobody was announced not dying from Draconus' targeting, so I doubt this fits.

Touche.

Why would Mac protect a player who barely votes?

MacDougall wrote:Why would Draconus have vote blocked a guy who barely posted?

Because he was an enigma? I dunno.

Sorsha wrote:I don't know Mac- who would a Matt/FZ team try to kill? Why would they pick me?

Who would you have picked?

I haven't tried working out many players roles as the game went on. The roles are turning out to not be like they were in the original games- powers and alignments have been changed so I gave up trying to figure it out.

I think Mac would pick you. You can take that to the bank. :P

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:That's what I mean. Metalmarsh is not going to change his vote because why would he. He is a neutral. He doesn't care who he wins with. I'm not suggesting he doesn't think I'm bad, I just don't think he cares enough to consider I am good to change his vote.

I think the evidence is there that I am a certain role tbh. The fact that nobody has worked it out except possibly bea is fairly testament to the fact that nobody cares.

Who last night would a potential Matt and FZ team have tried to kill? Who would a potential team contain me in it try to kill?

The evidence is there should you want/choose to see it. But I admit that I went about things in a way that assisted the scum to make me the obvious mislynch, and that's on me. I got overconfident with what I thought I knew.
Point me to the evidence.
I hard defended someone who didn't die at night.

Who is that? motel room?

I'm not sure what this evidence means exactly. If you're claiming a protector role, then there's also a certain Draconus who had the ability to voteblock players with a chance to kill them.

MacDougall wrote:That's what I mean. Metalmarsh is not going to change his vote because why would he. He is a neutral. He doesn't care who he wins with. I'm not suggesting he doesn't think I'm bad, I just don't think he cares enough to consider I am good to change his vote.

I think the evidence is there that I am a certain role tbh. The fact that nobody has worked it out except possibly bea is fairly testament to the fact that nobody cares.

Who last night would a potential Matt and FZ team have tried to kill? Who would a potential team contain me in it try to kill?

The evidence is there should you want/choose to see it. But I admit that I went about things in a way that assisted the scum to make me the obvious mislynch, and that's on me. I got overconfident with what I thought I knew.

Point me to the evidence.

Ricochet wrote:Ok, I'm on the edge of my seat, so might as well just stand up and go brush my teeth...

MM, you're not going to change your vote, LC-style, last minute, right?

Also, does one think this lynch will be straightforward or as shenanigany as the previous two?

Nope. My vote stays.

And for the record, I was suspicious of LC.

MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Mac, do you have anything to share on why bea might know what your role is?

The bea you called scum a day ago, y'know?
LC might have told her. He did know. Otherwise no idea.

Does it sound like Boolean Boy?

I'm doing Smashfest stuff but I'm here.

Ricochet wrote:I'm ready for this to be over, if this will be the sad outcome. I'm still hoping it won't be the case, but I'm ready if it will. The civs game was still practically all over for most part and the endgame was a personally frustrating sequence of plowing through some focusing in one direction, others in a second direction, civs doing countless questionable civ moves, a plejade of "I have my reasons", the hunted raining with genuine pleads, the hunters rarely taking their heads out of the tunnel to check the forecast, so basically ISO hell on telling who is moving where and for what purpose.

I maintain that my heart will be torn apart only by the following traitors and deceivers being revealed: FZ. and MM. The rest... and ending probably less than 100 posts short... I'll get over it... Eventually.

Are you watching a tragedy or something?

FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Metalmarsh isn't really going to give a toss who he wins with. Sorsha appears to have made her mind up. FZ and Matt are probably the bad guys. I'd say this one is lost after this mislynch.

MM, I am counting on you to not pull a shtick here and help the baddies. Do you buy any or Mac's defense? If not, why not?

No I don't. He's again reinforcing that "Metalmarsh doesn't care who wins" between civs and mafia, when that's not true.

MacDougall wrote:Metalmarsh isn't really going to give a toss who he wins with. Sorsha appears to have made her mind up. FZ and Matt are probably the bad guys. I'd say this one is lost after this mislynch.

Ricochet wrote:
bea wrote:
FZ. wrote:
bea wrote:Na. Bea is civ. I'd bet on that for sure.
Then please explain to me how after all of Mac's bullshit, you still think he's more civvie than Matt? I can't fathom it.
I'm not saying Matt doesn't have his scummy moments, but we all do. Mac is really throwing everything he can to see what sticks. Didn't he say I should be the one lynched? Why is he voting Matt? I know he said both of us look bad, but he said I should be lynched first. It just seems like an opportunistic vote
Because I think he is. And I think I know his role. And that's about as far as I can explain.

Up until he drank said crazy juice, he felt very civ to me. If he were a baddie and suppatowning, I don't think if he were bad he'd go that bat crap cray cray so close to winning

If they both had BTSC with Long Con, and Long Con trusted both of them, and told one the other's role?

Nah.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Hosts: is self-targeting approved in this game?
You voted and lynched yourself Day 1. So... yes?
I meant night powers. You can't target yourself with a vote, sillytton.

:P

bea wrote:That mess up there is what happens when I try to sneek a mafia post in while tending the oven. Lol.

Don't drop your phone in the pizza.

bea wrote:Na. Bea is civ. I'd bet on that for sure.

Why don't you like this vote?

Also, would civ bea trust civ Sorsha or civ-friendly marmotnewt?

Probably not since I want to lynch you too.

Ricochet wrote:Hosts: is self-targeting approved in this game?

You voted and lynched yourself Day 1. So... yes?

Never mind, FZ has voted.

Fixed.

Ricochet wrote:
Ricochet wrote:FZ. is the only one left to vote and we all expect she'll love nothing more than to vote Mac. Which means Mac currently has and likely will have all the votes (apart from his) on him. Accomplished.

If we're looking at two baddies left, what is everyone not-named-Mac's thoughts on who might have clicked the buss vote toDay?
Asked one hour and 44 minutes ago.

Bea. She sheeped the hardest on Mac's breakdown yesterday, despite my proving it to be pretty wrong. She had nothing to say to or about Mac last night except that he drank crazy juice, but instead proceeded to debate the "rezz poll" with Matt who was after Mac. Also, her Mac vote is kinda weak today. Nothing in her previous behavior backs it up.

If it's Matt, he clicked the buss vote as soon as I was not lynched, rather than wait. I think that's less probable. Matt has at least walked the walk.

FZ hasn't voted yet, so technically, she couldn't have bussed Mac yet. :P

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