The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:28 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 9:14 pm Mac and Dennis are really the only viable chops at this point.

If fingersplints Dennis, her wagon could technically still tie his, but it's a 50/50

I don't like this day.
There are five unplaced votes, one of which is FS, so FS could still get up to a 5 wagon, which would beat a Dennis wagon of 4.

There are 6 votes in the poll, are there not 6 votes in the thread?

Mafia is fun, but the mechanics of this game are really challenging.

Mac and Dennis are really the only viable chops at this point.

If fingersplints Dennis, her wagon could technically still tie his, but it's a 50/50

I don't like this day.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:48 pm Nothing sparks joy atm

uwu

Well, not townreading, but I think it looks kinda villagery

(now I'm townreading fingersplints for her reaction ugh)

I just realized we still have 6+ hours in the day, and not 2+ hours.

I'm gonna run a couple errands, but will be back later.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:38 pm I'm thinking it's In my best effort to keep Dennis around.

I think I'll vote Mac if a Splints wagon doesn't present itself.

My preferred order of these three is fingersplints > Mac > Dennis atm.

Why is it in your best effort to keep Dennis around? Did you mean "best interest"?

Generally games give you leeway for 3-4 mischops at the least (unless it's under 10 players), so yeah this does feel fast.

Part of it could be bad luck, in that Kate hit the lizard, and the wolves could stumble onto the vig.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:30 pm If we misschop, tomorrow could be LYLO if the vig hits a townie.
Maybe if SOMEONE hadn't dug up a lizard we wouldn't be here.

MOM.

Geez MOM!!!

If we misschop, tomorrow could be LYLO if the vig hits a townie.

If anyone digs up the vig shot, I think it would be optimal to claim it today. Knowing who is using it would be optimal for town.

These are my strong townreads right now

lucy
pyxxy
DrWilgy

These are my "I have reasons to townread them, but could be wrong" reads.

Dennis
Mac
Sabiplz
Neon
Sean
fingersplints

Only 5 votes left, so another wagon is technically viable, but it would require a lot of coordination.

Mafia's weird sometimes.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:18 pm Page 14 so far.

Splints is still on my radar.

Pyxxy looks better.

Sabi looks better.

Dennis is starting to pull a lot of wolf weight that we may just need to resolve.

How far behind are you?

The "invalidated mech discourse" is whatever, I could see fingersplints doing that as either alignment, but the "gave an excuse to falcon flipping green before it was done" part.

I'll pull up that post from her and see if I agree.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:52 am Splints is just a wolf IMO. Voted Falcon when that wasn't a good vote, invalidated mechanical discourse, gave an excuse to falcon flipping green before it was done.

I like this read from him.

We should all sheep Wilgy and vote fingersplints.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:10 pm Mac this game does remind me of Mac from League Mafia Game 3 where he was a wolf, but for vague reasons I can't articulate, so I'll just sleep on that read for now.
Really?

Idk, ask me again tomorrow.

You seem pro-town and pro-marmot in a way that I vaguely remember you being in that game.

But it does feel like paranoia more than anything else, and that's not a good reason to act on a read imo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:08 pm Is now a good time to point out i was drunkposting last night?

You should've told me, I would have drunkposted too!!!

(except that was this morning for me so actually no I wouldn't lol)

Mac this game does remind me of Mac from League Mafia Game 3 where he was a wolf, but for vague reasons I can't articulate, so I'll just sleep on that read for now.

Him hanging onto a Mac read and admitting it later in the day than he might've had it seems like a townie thing to do, and I'm not sure w!Dennis would have the insight to do that as a wolf in his 4th game.

I don't think Dennis is right about Mac, but I do think that post is kinda townie from him.

*I missed the Dennis suspicion in the first writeup I did about you, the argument for w!Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:02 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:22 pm Why Mac is a wolf:

His progression today is weird. He's a wolf who expects he'll be killed for being Mac, and voted Dennis just to try to make sure a townie to go over before him. He called Neon a wolf, then almost immediately voted the same person she did, also voting the person he expressed no read

Why Mac is town:

His progression was weird, but he just was too lazy to be verbose about it. His Sabi read is actually really solid (Sabi's response was actually kinda defensive and scummy). His "I don't wanna solve the game" post was real.
I don't think you've actually read posts
Why do you say that?

Dennis sheep me
Sabi wolf
I'm Mac uwu
marmot/fs wolf
Neon wolf
I don't wanna solve
burnout
Sabi tmi
Dennis wolf

^^ The above progression is not easy to follow, and largely accurate of the progression I'm talking about from you.
"Also voting the person he expressed no read" is not an accurate statement.

Your summary of my progression prior to this elaborate was much more vague.

Ahhh.

I was going back through your posts mutiple times while making that write-up, and I think I missed the Dennis suspicion in your first one. My apologies.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:22 pm Why Mac is a wolf:

His progression today is weird. He's a wolf who expects he'll be killed for being Mac, and voted Dennis just to try to make sure a townie to go over before him. He called Neon a wolf, then almost immediately voted the same person she did, also voting the person he expressed no read

Why Mac is town:

His progression was weird, but he just was too lazy to be verbose about it. His Sabi read is actually really solid (Sabi's response was actually kinda defensive and scummy). His "I don't wanna solve the game" post was real.
I don't think you've actually read posts

Why do you say that?

Dennis sheep me
Sabi wolf
I'm Mac uwu
marmot/fs wolf
Neon wolf
I don't wanna solve
burnout
Sabi tmi
Dennis wolf

^^ The above progression is not easy to follow, and largely accurate of the progression I'm talking about from you.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:54 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:53 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:51 pm All aboard vote sabi out train Choo Choo.

Let me spew everyone as town
Do you think you're going to be voted out today?
Yes because everyone is sussing me mostly as backlash from last game when I'm quite clearly out of wolf range

I'm trying to pry into your mindset to figure out if you're actually town or not.

I agree that your play this game doesn't look like last game, but I didn't mention last game. I believe you brought that up (unless someone else also did). I only mentioned a post that I thought made more sense coming from w!Sabi than v!Sabi. I even admitted it might be a bad read.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:51 pm All aboard vote sabi out train Choo Choo.

Let me spew everyone as town

Do you think you're going to be voted out today?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:49 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:48 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:46 pm Why'd you opt to vote Mac, Sabi?
Because you kinda read my. Kind about Mac behavior and a skuch as I wanted to vote dennis, dennis wagon is sus
Did you just call Mac a skuch?
As much as **

Ugh I just can't type atm

That's fine!

Could you post that post again? I actually can't tell what you were trying to say.

What does town Sabi do?

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:48 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:46 pm Why'd you opt to vote Mac, Sabi?
Because you kinda read my. Kind about Mac behavior and a skuch as I wanted to vote dennis, dennis wagon is sus

Did you just call Mac a skuch?

Why'd you opt to vote Mac, Sabi?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:41 pm What's goin on in here?

Yes

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:03 pm Marmot you modded both games I wolfed in

Is any part of how I'm playing manipulative? Am I poking? Am I making thread state bad?

Also the nk are not how I would. Do it. You nsaw wolf chat.

Good bye

Your play this game isn't like that, that's correct.

But those two games I modded were both very high activity games, and required a lot of effort from mafia to contest the high-energy town. This game doesn't require that, so I think comparing metas is less useful this game when the games we're comparing them to are so different.

Still undecided about Neon. She hasn't offered much content since she voted, but I could see a townie not feeling as much incentive to play the game when their vote is locked.

I could also see a wolf placing an early vote to influence the wagons and to not have to make a high-pressure vote later, hence my undecidedness. I think flipping another wolf might be useful in figuring out her alignment.

I also no longer think pyxxy is a wolf. I've liked what he's done today since I pressured him earlier.

I think pyxxy and lucy are both town.

Sabi and Mac are not w/w, but I think one of them is a wolf.

I'm still unsure about Dennis. I'm not against him dying today, but I do want a viable counterwagon to exist so that there's actually reason to discuss at the end of the day and we don't just sleepwalk to a Dennis yeet.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:11 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:52 pm Yea lucy is town
tmi?
How is that tmi when lucy was being genuine and real

Micro-read that might be wrong.

Imo, a wolf would be more likely to make this post with the mildly defensive response, while a town Sabi would be more likely to respond more firmly with a "That isn't tmi". Like, I don't think Mac's initial read is actually correct, Sabi would make that initial read as town too, but I think Sabi's response looks like they know Mac correctly sussed them for a dumb reason.

Why Mac is a wolf:

His progression today is weird. He's a wolf who expects he'll be killed for being Mac, and voted Dennis just to try to make sure a townie to go over before him. He called Neon a wolf, then almost immediately voted the same person she did, also voting the person he expressed no read

Why Mac is town:

His progression was weird, but he just was too lazy to be verbose about it. His Sabi read is actually really solid (Sabi's response was actually kinda defensive and scummy). His "I don't wanna solve the game" post was real.

I'm confused by Mac telling Dennis that they're going to kill Sabi together, but then he voted Dennis anyway.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:01 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:29 pm sabi is wolfing af
:really:

Sir point out in my iso where I'm wolfing.

Why do you find me towny when I'm wolf ffs
let's be honest I've not read your iso

I just thought your townread on Lucy was a bit pockety as was your Dennis treatment and you are in a likely narrow pool due to the day 1 vote.

@Dennis just forget it lol

How'd you know about their Day 1 vote if you didn't read their ISO?

Lucy town

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:06 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:00 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:48 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:38 pm Man yall are scaredy cats if you wanna vote me you best COMMIT to that

None of that weak ass spiritual voting nonsense

I am aware how similar this is to a cartomancy post, I thought Cartomancy was my funniest game yet so I kinda like it

Comedy>>>>>>winning the game
I'll vote you if you vote me.
Well I don't wanna vote you
Who do you want to vote?
I'd probably go for seanzie or sabi but I really wish seanzie was talking more before I made my final decision

I can definitely see that, regarding sean, but why Sabi?

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:55 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:38 pm Comedy>>>>>>winning the game

Why not both?
Because if I wanna try being funny in my way, then I am gonna get suspected for trolling like I did in Cartomancy. Honestly the majority of that game was just me screwing around and being the most obviwolf in the game lol

So I wanted a moment's reprise from being serious to be silly and I said that to hopefully show I'm not 100% mafia just because I'm not 100% on topic

I think there's always room for banter and jokes in a mafia game. It helps with good vibes in a game where suspicion gets thrown around, people are being too serious, and sometimes tempers flare. The levity provides a nice balance.

I think you can still find a way to be funny in your way and not be suspected for it (which I hope you do if you're town)

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:48 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:38 pm Man yall are scaredy cats if you wanna vote me you best COMMIT to that

None of that weak ass spiritual voting nonsense

I am aware how similar this is to a cartomancy post, I thought Cartomancy was my funniest game yet so I kinda like it

Comedy>>>>>>winning the game
I'll vote you if you vote me.
Well I don't wanna vote you

Who do you want to vote?

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:38 pm Comedy>>>>>>winning the game

Why not both?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:43 pm
Spoiler: show
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:26 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:01 pm I still think pyxxy might be a wolf.

With SVS being nightkilled, I like in theory going back and following SVS's solve #316, but pyxxy opted to go through and offer their own take on SVS's reads #523, but the part I don't like is that SVS had three town reads (DrWilgy, myself, and Sabi), and pyxxy took hedged on them and turned them into wolfreads, or didn't say anything about them.

The only townread that pyxxy had in her readlist is Sean, one she also disagreed with SVS on.

Spoiler: show
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:15 am
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:01 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 12:52 am hey @lucy if you're done with dinner, you seem to be active tn, maybe you can help me think about something

I think the SVS kill was PR hunting

read SVS ISO and there's quite a bit about digging, the mechanics

Kate's ISO is similar, actually, and uhhhhhhh yeah

if SVS kill was PR hunting and thus maybe not to influence town about the rest of the falcon wagon, what does that say about the remains of the falcon wagon? aka Sabi and fingersplints
what do u think about svs's reads?
do I get my answer if I answer this?

it's a D1 reads list

it's all over the place and I don't think it's a factor in why SVS died, besides maybe it was part of being active as town, so....I'm not really invested in analyzing it

but if we're trading answers, I'll care

my opinion of each of SVS's reads:
- pyxxy: SVS doesn't know me / my game, reasonable take

- falcon: yeah I mean looks like a bunch of other townies can't read town!Falcon either, so, reasonable take

- lucy (you): accurate. you didn't say much D1

- neon: POE for lack of similarities to other Neon town games, I can't speak to that, but I personally townlean Neon here after watching the end of the NPC game

- Seanzie: pulled this exact same s*** in the NPC game but idt SVS knew this, I townlean Seanzie for it and also for digging but not knowing about locked votes, I think it's totally believeable based on my experience with him in the NPC game

- mac: reasonable take

- wilgy: reasonable take, one I somewhat agree with, but I just watched scum wilgs in the NPC game so I've got recency bias and this wilgy reads the same as scum wilgy to me

- marmot: reasonable take, agreed, although idk if I townlean marmot for it, I think it's an easily fakeable D1

- Kate: the joy of flips, an accurate read

- dennis: unsure. I opened today also wondering about dennis

- sabi:

- Fingersplints:

odd that these two are at the end of the reads together, and also the remains of the Falcon wagon. world is full of strange coincidences

I think some VCA of the order of votes might do us some good

@pyxxy can you talk about Sabi and fingerplints, and is there anyone you townlean in this game outside of Sean?
why am I getting bump set spiked by you and @lucy

baited into posting a big reads list, which is not how I like to play, only for lucy to ghost me and you to use it as ammo against me

I didn't want to talk about Sabi or fingersplints because I wanted to see how they both entered the thread today, given I was on late + I'm west coast US which is why I was active when the thread opened late, but I figured most people have lives.

Related, @/everyone, I need someone to teach me how to search for votes in the game thread.

Is there any particular reason you wanted to wait and see how those two entered the thread?
Yes.

Sabi was using slank cover + birthday for D1 activity. After the NPC game where people raging at Neon for lowposting led to useless fighting and everyone being frustrated, I wanted to wait for Sabi to naturally return to the thread.

Or not return. Which I would read as scummy behavior, especially if there was no pressure on Sabi to return.

fingersplints is the other alive player left from the Falcon wagon. I wanted to see what they would say about that, if anything.

I gotta work I'll be back to expand on this in ~8 hours.

Thanks for the explanation.

How come you didn't say this at the time, and left those two blank?

(I'll eventually stop pressing you, I'm just trying to figure you out)

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 5:38 pm Man yall are scaredy cats if you wanna vote me you best COMMIT to that

None of that weak ass spiritual voting nonsense

I am aware how similar this is to a cartomancy post, I thought Cartomancy was my funniest game yet so I kinda like it

Comedy>>>>>>winning the game

I'll vote you if you vote me.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 4:41 pm He's kinda flailing like he did in cartomafia.

His opinion on gamestate does not match reality.

His push on inactive feels opportunistic.

Sorry wanted to post this together with the spiritual Dennis vote but work sidetracked me

*spiritual vote dennis*

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:38 pm And @Marmot you're really trying to argue that you had a serious wolfread on me yesterday?

After you literally yoyo'd on me so that you could claim whatever prior read fits your motives today?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:04 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:59 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:23 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Votes are not changeable in the poll.
You have to dig in the same post as your vote
Ture, although I don't have to dig today.

I probably should have waited though, pyxxxy made a good point that digging early is pro-town in order to give the powers to the townies.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:15 pm I really do think that everyone who has posted at least a few times thus far is town.

Nobody has bothered to push Sean or myself for making a not-optimal play to start the game, or if they are it's doing so inquisitively, and not a heavy-handed push. Given there's very little else to talk about thus far (aside from mech), I do think a wolf would take the opportunity to push it.

I know Dennis is pressing me about it, but I think the manner with which he's doing it strikes me as townie.

Sean, SVS, pyxxxy, and fingersplints also fall into that camp of players I think are town for their opening.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:16 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:14 pm You forgetting to dig is honestly like, NAI because we just talked about how a lot of people don't read the setup

Can someone say something controversial to get this game really going
I just assembled a towncore, have fun with it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:45 pm Of the group of townreads I mentioned, the two that I think I could be wrong on are:

Sean: yeah he did the same thing as I did, but I do think it's in Sean's wolf range to do that.
pyxxxy: all of her discussion has been mech-related thus far, and wolves hiding behind mech discussion as their primary content early on isn't uncommon.
Were we supposed to take this post seriously? Or does it not count now that Falcon flipped town?
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:31 am The wolves are MacDougall, pyxxy, and falcon45ca.
This post makes me want to town Sabi and scumteam you with lucy, Marmot.
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:11 pm I agree lucy hasn't been involved at all either, but I don't feel like pressuring her today after the way Cartomancy ended. I'd rather give her a little space for today.

I don't really want to chop Sabi on their birthday, and also I know they're going to be busy today, so I'm mostly leaving them alone today too.

Other people might have different opinion on not pressuring people based on out-of-game reasons. If it wasn't Day 1, I would probably approach this differently, but since it is Day 1, I feel ok with it.
Finally. You post this about me...after Wilgy puts the slightest, lightest amount of attention on you. You just needed to instantly, 15 minutes later, look like you were trying to solve.

That's hella sus.

That last post isn't about you, what gave you the impression that it was?

Could you tell me who you townread atm besides Sean? That's the thing I was most interested in learning when I talked about you earlier. I'm also trying to figure out how you approach the game in general. Do you typically have few-to-no townreads?

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