The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:
Ricochet wrote:FZ. is the only one left to vote and we all expect she'll love nothing more than to vote Mac. Which means Mac currently has and likely will have all the votes (apart from his) on him. Accomplished.

If we're looking at two baddies left, what is everyone not-named-Mac's thoughts on who might have clicked the buss vote toDay?
Asked one hour and 44 minutes ago.

Bea. She sheeped the hardest on Mac's breakdown yesterday, despite my proving it to be pretty wrong. She had nothing to say to or about Mac last night except that he drank crazy juice, but instead proceeded to debate the "rezz poll" with Matt who was after Mac. Also, her [/url=http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 13#p226113]Mac vote[/url] is kinda weak today. Nothing in her previous behavior backs it up.

If it's Matt, he clicked the buss vote as soon as I was not lynched, rather than wait. I think that's less probable. Matt has at least walked the walk.

FZ hasn't voted yet, so technically, she couldn't have bussed Mac yet. :P

I don't think we should doubt LC was good. His role ability isn't something you would see a baddie have, imo.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I wouldn't say I trusted bea, I just understood the point she was trying to make: that there was a specific position that benefited her role.
Oh ok. But y'know, we haven't had any civs with precise position powers, just the Broadway duo who could influence a position (basically the counterbalance to LoRab). Soo...

Good point. This never occurred to me.

Can someone remind me what the list of players who knew LC is?

I wouldn't say I trusted bea, I just understood the point she was trying to make: that there was a specific position that benefited her role.

I've got a new lynch priority list btw.

Ricochet
Marmot
Sorsha
FZ.
Matt
bea
MacDougall

Ricochet wrote:I developed so much parallel roleplay, meta, references, homages and ironypokes at my entire year spent here playing Mafia, but nobody will remember me as anything but a bad omelette maker.

Oh, and probably as a civ who lost big time, if the last lynch(es) go south.

Welp, seems like an easy Day at the office right now. I wonder if Mac has an unassaible lead or if shenanigans will still occur.

I will always remember you as the Mikami that failed.

bea wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Is Wigly srsly being saved right now? Can we go one lynch without fucking ourselves raw?
Can you think of any reason at all that bea and mac might have reason to believe that wigly is a civ?

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rico, you green-read Mac, DharmaHelper, and llama green on Day 1. :O
I was a different person back then.

I also red-read Zebraddie.

...and also virtually every other baddie, except DH.

True. It's funny that those were your only green reads then (and assuming Mac is bad).

Linki: Aw, poor bea. I hope you've got a flask hidden somewhere in the shop.

Rico, you green-read Mac, DharmaHelper, and llama green on Day 1. :O

I think we should lynch Mac today. I honestly don't have much interest in voting elsewhere.

Ricochet wrote:Hey bea, you voted option 4 (Ninja). What do you have against wanting LC to maybe come back or send us a message?!! Why didn't you vote LC??!!!!! Didn't you want to save LC on D6? Why wouldn't you want him to come back?!?!!? Why wouldn't you vote him?!!

Hey FZ, you voted option 2 (Sig). What do you have against wanting LC to maybe come back or send us a message?!! Why didn't you vote LC??!!!!!

Hey MM... got any chocolate?

Lol...

Naw. Nobody's bothered to give me any. And if you're going to complain about my BR vote, then shoo.

Ricochet wrote:Even if it's an absurd level of discussion - at least until Matt clears things up or brings evidence - I don't get why he jumped on Mac solely and not, for instance, questioned bea as well, who fits the description just as much: LC saver, non-LC option voter. I think she even went further as to call the LC option "lame". So yeah, considering my take on D11 is that one or two of the following - bea, Mac, Matt - are the remaining baddies, it looks either hella selective from Matt or he simply had no idea what he's saying and just tried to throw an egg at Mac's face.

If you were Matt and you were civ, who else would you look at? I think that Sorsha and I are ruled out from being lynched today. That leaves 2 baddies among bea, FZ, and Mac.

Same with Mac, if he's civ, his best options are bea, FZ, and Matt. I'm not surprised that Matt and Mac ended up butting heads after yesterday's lynch, although Mac's reaction has been more of an "I can't believe that guy would suspect me" attitude.

Turnip Head wrote:The front page has been updated with all currently revealed roles

I don't see poor Frans or Chatterbox.

Sorsha wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Paranoia thought, baddies nightkilled baddie Sorsha for cred.

I agree wert Mac and Matt though. They are my top two suspicions right now. Still, I do have lingering doubts about you Sorsha.

Paranoia thought, baddies nightkilled baddie Sorsha for cred.

That's a relief.

bea wrote:I think it's possible that Mac drank some of my crazy juice.

At this point any one of us could be bad or civ. I'm honestly as unsure as everyone else.

I bet 50 Smashcoins that I am neither. :P

Ricochet wrote:I did? Oops... I remember saying that players should redefine their motel suss into actual game suss, but ok.

There was this, but yeah, let's not dwell on it.

FZ. wrote:I'm back but just for this post and I'm going to bed.
Mac, you claim I've seen you as good most of the game and suddenly I'm coming in with all that evidence. You saw me as a sure civvie only yesterday and now you see me as bad. You're talking about being a hypocrite? In the tiny chance you are not bad, which is really hard to see at the moment, I am worried about Bea and Matt who haven't contributed at all tonight.

For bea, I think this is a little more normal. But Matt I agree his contributions and presence have dipped ever since I posted an analysis of his mentions of DrWilgy the day he was pseudo-lynched and subsequently nightkilled. That was during Night 9.

Ricochet wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Ricochet you're the one who has done ISOs. Can you see the possibility of an FZ, Matt, Motel, Wilgy team?
The ISOs would sadly reveal most, if not all, as potential Wilgy teamies. As for Matt, if he's bad, his drumming could make either perfect coasting or perfect distancing for any teamie of his. A few "Is Matt for reals" here and there and you can look both wary of him in both a genuine and bullsuited way. Truly the dark age for ISOing.
What about potential motel room teammates?
You mean the guy who probably did zero in BTSC as well? I've had mafia experience with lurkers and I did not appreciate their contribution one bit, so I distanced myself as bloody hard as possible in the thread. I've said earlier this morning that motel is a non-factor in analysis: baddies could have distanced and turn hissy-bussy, let him slide and don't say much or bring a "remember Tranq" idea to not testing it out on him as well.

Maybe worth checking who BOTD'd him the most, after the Kubrick reveal got unraveled by DH's death? Then again, even I gave him less importance, after that element was removed...

Not only that, you insinuated that folks shouldn't vote for him if they didn't have a reason.

Still, I think it's more likely that baddies were pushing my wagon yesterday, not civilians. Obviously there were civilians on it though.

This game has switched to 24 hour day phases, so I'm sure it will finish more quickly now.

Ah, at the bit about the "of course not".

MacDougall wrote:FZ and Matt. I think I figured it out but my reason for it is going to be too hard for anybody to believe so meh.

If you're not going to say it, then this is basically no reason.

Linki: actually Mac, it's pretty standard here for one mafia team to inherit the other's kill in a game like this.

S~V~S wrote:Just an FYI, I am just getting home and need to go through the PMs. The post may be a few minutes late, and/or it may be kinda lame.

Rico dies. All the other champions win. Party time, and we will make omelets!!!

Ah, I see you answerd my question in linki. I think...

Ricochet wrote:I say keep lynching MM until all the remaining baddies get lynched instead.

Hardie-har-har

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I'm not casting shade on you. I am saying that I don't believe you care about which alignment wins as much as you just want me not to win because I've been calling you on your bullshit the whole time.

There's yet another reason I'm not bad. Metalmarsh (assuming he doesn't die tonight) is going to have the swing vote being the neutral. Wouldn't the scum be sucking up to you hard right now?
That's a convenient suggestion since you are doing the opposite. :P

But no, I don't think they would be that obvious. Not unless they felt they had absolutely nothing else to get them a win, and they definitely wouldn't do it in the night phase, especially if for whatever reason their kill fails.
Okay well I'm all out of defenses then. Sorry I let y'all down civvies.

If you are the civilian you claim to be, and you admit that your alignment claims for other players are not accurate, I think you should reconsider your reads on Matt, Sorsha, and bea.

Assuming there are two baddies left, who do you think they are?

MacDougall wrote:I'm not casting shade on you. I am saying that I don't believe you care about which alignment wins as much as you just want me not to win because I've been calling you on your bullshit the whole time.

There's yet another reason I'm not bad. Metalmarsh (assuming he doesn't die tonight) is going to have the swing vote being the neutral. Wouldn't the scum be sucking up to you hard right now?

That's a convenient suggestion since you are doing the opposite. :P

But no, I don't think they would be that obvious. Not unless they felt they had absolutely nothing else to get them a win, and they definitely wouldn't do it in the night phase, especially if for whatever reason their kill fails.

MacDougall wrote:
FZ. wrote:I'm just going to leave this out here for your enjoyment:

MacDougall wrote:
Sorsha wrote:By asking you and Matthew questions I did I am trying to get a handle on the situation. And you're going to refuse to answer?
Lol I'm not refusing I just want your opinions.

Fine but if you don't follow it up I will shake my fist at you.

Here's where I'm at...

I believe I have deduced the civilian alignment of all but two players. Juliets and Metalmarsh. I can't elaborate on how but I can say that the one I am most certain of is Motel Room, especially in light of how yesterday went down. I am quite sure of Matt and FZ and by extension you. Bea, despite being wrong about Wilgy, I am sure is civilian because of LC related reasons. That one he definitely got right, he must have. I don't believe that there are 2 scum left. I believe there is 1. 2 wouldn't make any sense mathematically. I believe that it is far more likely to be Metalmarsh.

If I am wrong about the Marmot, juliets must be lynched tomorrow. I will be the most likely to be killed tonight if the game doesn't end with a Marmot lynch. If he is not the last bad guy it is without doubt juliets. Look back at her interactions with Zebra if you need to find a case but tbh it's primarily from deduction.

Linki: Lol there you go.
Do you think, that as scum, I would make such a gloriously incorrect post when I would at that point actually KNOW every single thing?

I think this post is about the civviest post in the game. So thanks for posting it.

If you expected me to get lynched instead of motel room, then absolutely yes I think you would.

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:It's Night 10. Vote something and own the way you vote.
I've done this much at least.
Metalmarsh are you trying to claim civ now? You don't have to pretend you have our best interests at heart. You have got to the point where you're most likely to just win with either side so you should just stop pissing in our pocket.

You tried to lynch me yesterday, and motel room, the counter lynch, you claimed was civ, flipped bad instead. Why the F are you still trying to cast shade on me?

Bring me an actual case please instead of pushing the fact that I'm neutral/Indy as if nobody has known at all this entire game.

FZ. wrote:I didn't play the Hobbit.

Okay, if there are two mafia left, I'd say Matt is one of them. I need to sleep.

Yeah you did. That was the crazy game where MP got lynched Day 1, and exposed 2 of his 3 teammates in the process, you and Elohcin, who were lynched on Day 2 and Day 3.

Ricochet wrote:It's Night 10. Vote something and own the way you vote.

I've done this much at least.

DrWilgy wrote:I support what you did Marmot. MP's salty tears are delicious...

And to be fair, it wasn't completely my fault. Partially sure, because I was basically AFK in that game after Day 4, but I played a solid game before that.

And lol, He'll have salt for year.

Ricochet wrote:Lololol no, in the podcast he said he gave two simple rules to the team at the very beginning: Don't spew & Don't buss and then you and Jefferson Reed just raised a leg and pee'd all over that.

I couldn't stand his attitude of directing each players' actions before Day 1 had even started. I told him we'd (or at least I'd) be better off just following my meta.

FZ. wrote:Here are some:

Bullets over Broadway (4 and 3)
Biblical mafia I'm not sure what the horsemen were but if they were baddies they were 4 and the other baddies 5.
Cars mafia. Had one group of 2 and one of 4.
Etc' etc'.

In BoB, the baddie team with 3 had a player they could find and recruit (of course Long Con was the recuiter and Black Rock the recruitee).

In Cars, there was only one mafia team, as well as an Indy team of sorts.

In Biblical, the Horsemen were not mafia, more of a third party Indy group without BTSC.

Sorry to shoot all of your suggestions down. :P

Although the Hobbit did have 2 mafia teams, one with 5 and one with 4. I'm sure you have fond memories of that one.

MacDougall wrote:
FZ. wrote:Mac, you're still going to go for MM? Really?
Yep, he's clearly indy and we should lynch him.

That's what I said on Day 3 (well neutral, but anyway) and you decided that I was civ instead.

Ricochet wrote:tfw MM got the kill and will now proceed to kill me

Even if I got the kill, RULES RULES RULES RULES RULES

But lol

Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:Rico, I think Mac just gave up trying to win it for his team. I also think that if both motel and Wilgy were on his team, his feelings are totally understandable. They both played a don't give a damn game, and if I were on their team, I'd be as pissed as hell at them. So if that's the case, Mac.
It would be understandable. Reminds me of TGG in a Jesus Toast Mafia game I played being left alone in a team of lurking, spewing, bussing dumdumbs and simply exploding at the time of his lynch.

Speaking of that, hey MM, I found a JTM podcast on YouTube in which Missing Person spent about 20 minutes just flipping birdies towards you.

FZ. wrote:Only question is, is there another baddie? Could it just be that there was one team with 3 and one with 4 and the 3 had some more powers or something like that?
Two baddies left. Why would the teams be uneven, as a design?

He flung shit at me, and told me in BTSC he hoped I could take it. I flung shit back and he got lynched on Day 2.

MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Speaking of that, though:

MM are you still a neutral,
unlikely to win,
who wouldn't mess with the civs' however meagre odds to win in any way?

Or did any of those three parameters varied in the slightest since we last spoke?
Yeah he's gonna answer that honestly good one Rico.

Says the guy who lies about players' alignments and expects us to believe it.

Ricochet wrote:Speaking of that, though:

MM are you still a neutral,
unlikely to win,
who wouldn't mess with the civs' however meagre odds to win in any way?

Or did any of those three parameters varied in the slightest since we last spoke?

Yes to the first bit.
Don't know to the second bit (depends how many baddies are left).
I'm pro baddie-lynchin' and civvie-winnin'.

I don't get it FZ. We have a player who is dead and can't vote, but is also a confirmed civ, and willing to pour hours and hours into analysis of this game and help guide everyone for the civilian cause. Why is this frustrating? Every civilian has the propensity to be wrong. Should a confirmed dead civilian be held to a higher standard than that? I don't think so. Ricochet is human like the rest of us.

Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:No, but according to her role, there might be Pikmin available somewhere for the rest of us to get a hold of.
Any Pikmin still available were for us to get a hold of after she died. Don't give me this N10 sudden interest, I asked about it the Day after she died, and nobody gave a damn.

I searched the site, but couldn't find anything.

FZ. wrote:Rico, you can thank your luck for having your role, because your ISO would suck badly if anyone was to review you.

No, but according to her role, there might be Pikmin available somewhere for the rest of us to get a hold of.

I'm voting BR, because of Pikmin.

Ricochet wrote:
FZ. wrote:RIP Juliets and BIH motel room. That was another pathetic baddie play...
While the civvies have made many mistakes, I don't think the baddies deserve to win this any more than the civvies. At least some of them. So Boo.

d
Boo didn't even sign up.

boo is spelled with a lowercase "b" anyway.

Ricochet wrote:tfw I recorded and edited this all afternoon instead of ISOing Mac. Or doing anything else. fml

MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Is it for Fuzz vigi value or something pos. 3 related that I'm apparently oblivious too. Last time position 3 generated something, it was Sorsha getting off the poll.

Remind me why FZ. is supposed to be supabad?
Lol yehhh.

FZ is just good at the game I guess.

She is.

But I was her Baddie partner in Pikmin. She never got riled up in that game, was always level-headed. There has been far less of that from her this game (and that behavior I have seen from her as a civ).

Also, her voting record looks better than some these past few day phases, in terms of being on the Chinamen team.

Sorsha wrote:Since the whole Kubrick/position 1 thing is a moot point now... what's bad about position 1?

Long Con is a punk.

I'm picking up what you're laying down bea.

But I don't think that Long Con or Black Rock or RadicalFuzz are lame.

Matt wrote:You'd rather look at Sorsha then bea?

And where, anywhere, did I say the name Sorsha?

I listed 3 names. Why did Sorsha's come up?

Matt wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should be looking primarily at the voters of Draconus on Day 9. And they are...

Draconus
4
motel room (13), Sorsha (21), MacDougall (22), Matt (23) 17%

As for the night poll, I haven't decided yet.
You'd rather look at Sorsha then bea?

Lulz. Okay, so you're most likely not Mafia, but you still don't care about a civ win. Gotcha.

Why do you want to look at bea? She did vote for me today (which was consistent with her gameplay thus far), and she voted motel room Day 9 and Dr. Wilgy Day 8.

But I guess the points against her are that neither time was said player lynched, even though they had the most votes, so it could have been a cred thing.

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