The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, that could be true. But you understand my point nonetheless.

Yes.

Sorry about the strange post sequences. New tabs and linkis don't go together.

Never mind Chris, I saw your other post.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, Bass, you're simplifying the arguments against you. Just because someone is accused of having accurate "baddie hunting" skills due to being on a team with a rolechecker, does NOT mean that everyone that person suspects is bad. Baddies obviously want civvies dead too.

So I frankly don't trust anything coming out of a baddie's mouth. Who knows what it could be? I did that for even a second earlier with MM and threw out that possibility of TH 2.0 being The Master and I couldn't have been more wrong.

Linki: Precisely, that's my thoughts on the matter anyway.

Just because you don't know where I'm aligned does not mean that we don't want the same thing.

Chris wrote:And I think the Cybers got an extra role for the body. It satisfies two things for me. A role for the body, and a role for the secret. The only thing that fucks me up is the balance.

That's why I asked if there was any way it would make sense that both baddie teams could look for it? Like, if the Daleks found the Body, they could do some kind of experiment that would help them.

I asked this before, but it was sorta shot down, and I abandoned it.

I still don't think the Cyberman body is a role. If it was, I'd bet that the head could search for this person each night (similar to mine or MP's role) rather than it being a randomly determined event.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I should really get back to studying though, so I'll be back sometime this evening. Curious what everyone thinks here. And I'm especially curious regarding more elaboration from Epig since he said he would post some more information about DF being The Master but maybe now seems to be doubting it?

See you folks later.

Positivism forever!

Linki w/ Epig: Lol, that is pretty funny.

Are you thinking of his hypothesis of juliets or something different?

keys56000000000 wrote:I think it's worth noting that it seems Strax did not target DFaraday. TH pointed out that his insanifier was redirected. While that could have been a secret role, it could have also been The Master's once-a-game redirect-everything power, which would mean DF wasn't Strax's original target.

The fact that he survived Strax's kill still remains, however.

DF, I want to hear a lot more from you. You're currently one of my top suspects. Who are your top suspects? I want to know what you're thinking. A penny for your thoughts, DF.

Though keys beat me to this one.

Also I was just reading Chris' post yesterday where he said he didn't like the idea of a DF lynch.

Chris wrote:I don't like the thought of a DF lynch at all.

Chris wrote:It was acceptable, somewhat, to ignore the Strax factor when I survived 2 NKs. But it played.

I'm maintaining that Strax still has a civ kill save. And The Master lost one protection.

And Strax obviously thought he was bad enough to target...

But per what TH said yesterday, Strax may not have intended to try and kill DF. More than one player has stated that they think that night actions were redirected on Night 8, meaning that Strax targeted someone else originally. I'm not dicounting your story that DF survived based on his own ability, but I don't think Strax targeted him intentionally.

zeek wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Chris wrote:DF, only me, you or Elo can be The Master.
What about the players who haven't had the opportunity to survive a kill?
While I agree with your questioning of Chris' assertion here, I find it curious you're casting doubt on it given they are the three most likely suspects. Trying to protect your Master?

I'm trying to find the Master as much as you are.

MovingPictures07 wrote:switches vote to DFaraday

I think Chris predicted this too.

Chris wrote:DF, only me, you or Elo can be The Master.

What about the players who haven't had the opportunity to survive a kill?

I'm taking my vote off myself because I don't want to turn into TH.

They tried to lynch him yesterday, that didn't work. So of course they'll try again today.

But this... What the fuck man.

Chris wrote:There will be a big push to lynch Bass, not Snow Dog. keys and SVS already voted for Bass... I'm sure it won't be too long before MP comes in and votes for Bass too.

If Epig ends up voting Bass, I'll laugh my ass off.

Chris wrote:keys and SVS have voted Bass. Yes he's Cyber, and yes, he's worth + 1 on the Head's vote (provided the body has been found, which I think it has). But he's the role blocker... someone they don't need as bad as the Cyber head with his extra votes (Snow Dog).

But, I don't think that they'll be voting for Bass anyway. I think they were going to change their vote to someone else before the end of the lynch... Actually, I think they wanted to start setting you up for them to change their votes to later on.

I'm self-voted for shits and giggles.

I'm still alive!!! I didn't see that coming.

keys is a she right? Or did I misread somewhere?

zeek wrote:I'm freaking out that you've NK'd me, MM That comment was really random.

I was looking at tonight's poll and the Weeping Women won that's all.

zeek was mighty upset when I wanted to visit the weeping angels on Night 1...

thellama73 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:Everyone has been so intense this game, my goodness.
Not me.

I read all your posts, and you are 80% correct.

S~V~S wrote:You're no fun.

I am not the recruiter, though. Just like I am not recruited.

I'm just having fun with Chris' accusations there.

S~V~S wrote:
Chris wrote:If MP is not recruited when lynched or at the end of the game, I'll forever quit mafia.

Quote this to use if I'm wrong, and I ever try to play mafia again.

Are you going to say the same thing about me? I could use a new sig :P

You can't be recruited if you're the recruiter though.

zeek wrote:This is all nonsense. We can put out scenarios till the cows come home but its all a lot of conjecture. I put a sole vote on Dom earlier in the game, if the switch had happened then I'd be in the same situation as MP and SD.

Why has nobody considered that this switch could have been a prize? I never heard back from the hosts about the poetry contest.

I made a submission, but I didn't win. I was under the impression somebody won though.

Chris wrote:
keys56000000000 wrote:Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?
So my conclusion that the recruiter wouldn't want to lynch Hedgie because they want to recruit her is a "downright ignorant conclusion"?

That's a pretty strong statement keys.

Why is it that every single theory I put out, you refute? Quite aggressively I might add?

LINKI @ MM: But why even put a vote on him like that? Jesus, if it's a warning vote, 30 minutes before the poll ends, for a guy who hadn't been in the thread for 7 hours, how is he going to see it when the poll goes away at the end of every lynch.

"Oh yeah, by the way TH, MP voted for you"

It just doesn't add up.

Actually, that's the EXACT reason I'll bet MP put a vote on him. If TH hasn't been on much, and popped in to see the lynch tally, he'll see 2 votes on himself. That will make him realize "Oh shit, I probably have to address something". Otherwise, TH might not notice that we've been talking about him if he had just skimmed through.

I did the same thing to zeek on Day 2 I think.

Linki: well we could always try lynching him for proof. He'll come back anyway right? I know you'll love this idea...

keys56000000000 wrote:
Chris wrote: Anyway, even if he didn't mean this game, it's still the first time he's done it in this game. And the first time he votes outside of the norm, it gets switched?

VERY coincidental then...
You don't seem to be considering the possibility that whoever switched the lynch wanted MP to look bad.

You should check out these things called conspiracy theories. You'd like conspiracy theories. Did you know that when man landed on the moon back in 1969, the footage they took on the moon showed no stars in the sky? How freaky is that, right? It's obviously damning evidence that the whole thing was faked in a studio, I don't know why people can't see that.

linki: Or they switched it to TH because TH was much more of an active civilian (and thus, threatening) than Hedgeowl? FFS Chris, why do you always jump to the most downright ignorant conclusions?

TH was not active, he was under the radar. I think MP's suspicion of him was justified, as was mine. There wasn't enough to warrant a lynch, but who would have thought he would've taken a lynch anyway.

Chris wrote:LINKI @ MM: Yes I do think you and MP are on the same team. I've been saying that.

Remember when he got me lynched? And remember when he got Roxy lynched?

I don't understand how he could have been on both of our teams, and get us both lynched.

zeek wrote:Would a player even need any votes for the lynch to be switched to them?

It's usually the case, but not guaranteed.

If that is the case, someone had to be online to switch the lynch, which narrows the choices down. As Chris pointed out, TH did not have any votes until 30 minutes left.

Chris wrote: Solo vote on TH, until Snow Dog buried his extra votes with 10 minutes to go.

So Mp, where is it where you've given someone a warning vote in this game? Can you show me where? That vote on TH appears to me to be the first time you've gone so "rogue" to put someone on blast.

You know what else I noticed MP? The lynches you did lead, they all netted baddies. You were dead on.

Now, this kind of fuck up? Do you think you're really that unlucky that you just happened to be involved in this unfortunate circumstance?

I don't think you understand the notion of a warning vote. If he votes someone early on (or any time for that matter) to get a reaction, that is a warning vote, or a pressure vote. All of these votes are day end votes that he placed on players he wants to lynch, some of which had changed at one point or another.

Chris wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Chris wrote:At least he was playing.

And at best, the vote was 5 to 10. No way it was a lynch.

And I'm pretty sure Amy Pond is still alive, so it was probably 5 to 11.

And two recruiters? LOL really?

Do the civs even have a chance of winning?

2 recruiters and a serial killer, along with 2 baddie teams each with a kill.

I don't think the recruiters are on the same side though.
Of course they're not.

You're suggesting that there's two separate recruiting teams, and I'm telling you you're nuts.

So you think MP and I are on the same recruited team?

Chris wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
zeek wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Linki: zeek: can you think of viable reasons for Chris not to be Jack?
Well there's nothing to say he is Jack, other than the fact Jack is probably alive and nobody has called him out on it. Like I said, I think he is Jack, I'm just theorizing.

Only those targetted by the Master (barring conspiracy theories) and the two of us AREN'T the Master.
I'd bet Dana isn't the Master either, dying before the hosts made a mistake.
Not voting for 5 lynches, but still making night kills?

I don't think so.

Safe assumption.

What?!?

zeek wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Linki: zeek: can you think of viable reasons for Chris not to be Jack?
Well there's nothing to say he is Jack, other than the fact Jack is probably alive and nobody has called him out on it. Like I said, I think he is Jack, I'm just theorizing.

Only those targetted by the Master (barring conspiracy theories) and the two of us AREN'T the Master.

I'd bet Dana isn't the Master either, dying before the hosts made a mistake.

Chris wrote:At least he was playing.

And at best, the vote was 5 to 10. No way it was a lynch.

And I'm pretty sure Amy Pond is still alive, so it was probably 5 to 11.

And two recruiters? LOL really?

Do the civs even have a chance of winning?

2 recruiters and a serial killer, along with 2 baddie teams each with a kill.

If it was a lynch save, the lynch could have passed on to the next available person, being you. But you obviously weren't lynched, TH was. The only explanation there is Snow Dog and MP offered hidden votes, which is probably true. Otherwise it was just a clean switch.

Linki: zeek: can you think of viable reasons for Chris not to be Jack?

Linki 2: Ahh, mafiascum. That was the reason I quit mafia a couple years ago.

Chris wrote:At least he was playing.

And at best, the vote was 5 to 10. No way it was a lynch.

And I'm pretty sure Amy Pond is still alive, so it was probably 5 to 11.

And two recruiters? LOL really?

Do the civs even have a chance of winning?

2 recruiters and a serial killer, along with 2 baddie teams each with a kill.

I don't think the recruiters are on the same side though.

zeek wrote:MM - what do you make of the lynch?

I think this supports my theory that there are two recruiters. Yes I understand that this might be far-fetched, but why else would a lynch be switched from Bass? As far as I know, the Cybermen don't have a lynch switch on their own. Also, even if there was a lynch save, Chris would have taken the blow... Unless... I actually just realized that MP could have an extra vote because of his role, and hey, maybe Snow Dog does too.

Hosts, was the lynch a tie?

Linki: He has been 'Go-along TH. He had been popping his head in occasionally, asking questions, and bugging out quickly. That is not obvious civ play, that is, as you say, hindsight.

zeek wrote:Chris - I think MP switched because MM said about his night action, not that the powers were redirected.

Snowy - We can't be sure MM wasn't recruited by the Master. Do you think the Great Intelligence is a poss secret role? Weeping Angel is still a possibility too I suppose.

I think the Weeping Angel is a red herring. I'd bet you Enrique was trying to draw us off with that one.

zeek wrote:Snowy - I think Davros is a good shout, I post that the other day too. I dunno about Lumis though. Are you thinking they can only recruit their creations?

Chris - Good point about the day of sunshine...

Why would TH make a comment about night actions being redirected then? Being a civ, nothing would have affected him if the Master used his Day of Sunshine trick. I think it's pretty clear that this was the Master's doing.

Gotrees wrote:I think Elo has been acting strange this whole game. Starting off with a Juliets 1.0 vote, then an Azure vote, then a bunch of votes where she was the sole person voting for Dana, then suddenly she began voting very accurately and with the crowd, (Made, Enrique, MM, Roxy).

Might this shift in voting habits be due to being recruited? I don't know. What I do know is that (1) Elo doesn't appear to be any more active in thread to suggest that she actually has any reason to make these informed votes, and (2) every single vote since the Made vote, she has voted with Blooper, with the exception of one vote. In that vote, Blooper voted for Elo's favorite enemy, Dana. I feel like the recruiter might be recruiting these silent players and using them as pawns or something, I imagine it would be a good way to fly under the radar. I think it's generally being assumed that Elo is good because she survived the early Strax attack, but if my theory is right she was recruited just before the Made vote, and would not have been a baddie at the time of Strax's NK attempt.

I notice that Blooper was posting a few hours ago, but failed to reply to the concerns I mentioned earlier about her. If there really is a connection between Blooper and Elo, there might be one with Epig too (maybe as recruiter?). Although I realize this would definitely need a closer look.

Let me know if I'm insane, it's past 3 in the morning and I need some sleep. For that reason, I also won't be posting the planet summaries up right away, but I'll try to get them done before the poll closes tomorrow. I will mention, though, that Vulcan has made an appearance before. My summary of it can be found here. It had strong Dalek connotations, but now that the Daleks are dead I don't know what that means for us. Personally, I would still avoid it.

You should also be aware that Strax tried to kill Elo, but failed. Hence, she is either a civ or a baddie with protection.

I'm voting Tigus.

But Gotrees has made an appearance. Maybe she has other ideas.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Chris wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow. What the hell?

Frankly, this presents the final nail in the coffin for Snow Dog and Bass being bad, IMO.

RIP TH 2.0. Guess there wasn't anything to the weirdness at the end there after all.

Chris, can I tell you my level of confidence on TH now?
MP, what made you think he was The Master?
I honestly wasn't convinced he was The Master, but I was curious if he was due to his saying that the night actions got redirected, in addition to MM dropping his night action as noteworthy, and the fact that he has been really sly this game.

I was curious to hear what he had to say in response, and that's what my vote was meant to represent, but... apparently I won't get his response, and my paranoid wondering was totally off the mark.

I am as surprised as you are MP.

Epignosis wrote:Recruit games are fun.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend," and all that.

Who's the enemy?

zeek wrote:MM, I was rezzed jointly by MP and Hedge as their prizes.

Can we believe the word of a recruit?

Ah that's right. I thought there was a non-conspicuous reason.

Turnip Head wrote:BR, if it helps any re: DF, I think that some if not all of last night's targets were redirected.

How would he know if he didn't have a target redirected?

zeek wrote:Care to elaborate on TH?

Just wanted to see who you'd mention really

Figures. Btw, how/why were you rezzed? Did I miss that?

He's been extremely go-along this game, not what I'm used to seeing from him. I'm used to a semi-aggressive talented scumhunter who posts frequently. I haven't compared TH1 with TH2, but I'm betting there's a difference.

I will say more and do more research when I get home. I'm on my ipad now and it's terrible for quotes and things.

Linki: hold on.

zeek wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why does Dom only make one post at a time?

Linki: I think I know who the master is, and not for that reason.
Who?
Chris, hesitantly. He could possibly be the Cyber Controller (that's right, I said it), or more preferably he could be Jack.

And I'm not the only one who thinks so.
Who else fo you think is bad?

Chris is my main suspect right now.

I believe Elo and DF are good based on the Strax relations. I'm gonna stick with MP and SVS being good because it's just kinda obvious. I also trust Epi.

TH is flying WAY under the radar right now. That's all I've noted from him. He has a night action which is worth noting.

Indifferent on the rest, but I haven't focused on them. If Bass flips as a cyber, then my read on Chris will change. Anyone else you recommend looking at?

Chris wrote:MM... LOL.. how the hell could I be the cyber controller?

THAT I've got to hear...

You have your teammate NK you to draw attention away from that idea. Since you'd survive anyway, and the Cybers have a kill each night, why not?

Chris wrote:MM died day 6. That means, not factoring in that he was recruited, he would have had 5 chances of finding The Master.

29 players night 1.
27 players night 2.
26 players night 3.
24 players night 4.
21 players night 5.

I removed a player for each death, and 1 for each player he could have searched.

Those odds are still pretty slim. I thought that BTSC was broken if you were recruited, but the hosts won't answer that. So I suppose MM could be searching for The Master still, but whether he's still recruited or not, he still needs all of the civs dead to win.

Remember that.

LINKI @ Snow: Enjoy it. I'll be waiting for that vote!

And no MM, I'm not The Master. But I love your brilliant "revelation"...

I'll let you know if I find him tonight.

Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why does Dom only make one post at a time?

Linki: I think I know who the master is, and not for that reason.
Who?
Chris, hesitantly. He could possibly be the Cyber Controller (that's right, I said it), or more preferably he could be Jack.

And I'm not the only one who thinks so.
Well i've been banging on about Chris being the Master for ages and it seemed most people disagreed. Quite strongly.

Probaly because too many people suspect you to believe you. :P

Probably the same case for me too...

Snow Dog wrote:Is the master still alive? When was his last NK attempt?

I doubt he's dead, he does have 3 survivals. I think he kills on odds nights?

Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why does Dom only make one post at a time?

Linki: I think I know who the master is, and not for that reason.
Who?

Chris, hesitantly. He could possibly be the Cyber Controller (that's right, I said it), or more preferably he could be Jack.

And I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Why does Dom only make one post at a time?

Linki: I think I know who the master is, and not for that reason.

Chris wrote:Snow Dog... I know you're itching to vote for me. Just do it.

I've really given up. Every time I make a post, someone turns it into an issue. I'm distracting from the game . I just want to pack it in.

Do me the favor. Put me out of my misery. Vote for me man...

That's a weird thing for a civ with a kill protecton to say.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I'm voting for Chris today. Niju, I see you haven't voted yet...what are your thoughts?
Catching up...ugh. I knew I shouldn't have left it to tonight, but I wanted to read Harry Potter and play Sporcle instead last night :P
I am also a user of the Sporcle.
YESSSSSSS God I think I have an addiction but not a bad enough one to care because I'm a beast at geography now

I've wasted time on there. Lol

probably too much time...

But thanks to Sporcle, I also know every country in the world. Yay geography!

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