The Syndicate

Boomslang wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:19 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:12 pm What do we all think of marmot's role?

My gut says mafia. I can see it as a blanket civ-protection thing, but it seems like the kind of role that would benefit most from coordination with other powers. And mafia are the ones most likely to have that coordination.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:17 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:46 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:34 am I’m so happy we got a lynch. I feel really accomplished, on par with actually lynching a baddie in most games.

Same.

What now?

We lynch you again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:34 am I’m so happy we got a lynch. I feel really accomplished, on par with actually lynching a baddie in most games.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:24 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:57 pm hmu with some appropriately representative examples of marmot's gameplay as both civ and mafia, please

Most recent Marmot mafia victory was Mortal Kombat.
Most recent civ victory was Fiddler on the Roof.
Go wild!

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:35 am I read the last page and don't see an suspicion of me, just a bunch of votes and a need to "lynch someone".

Pray do tell why that person is me? I don't mind being recast, but I want a reason from every single person who cast their vote already. That means you @sig @Sloonei @LoRab @DrWilgy @Scotty.

And this is why you have votes,my 4 legged prairie dog.
I just explained why 2 posts above your response

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:05 pm My first major concern with Marmot was that he was making empty prods of players to appear as a driving force in the game, but he never followed up on these prods at all. Here's a couple early examples:

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:18 pm All of them.

Why do you have so many folks colored at such an early juncture in the game?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:52 pm I do like that Sloonie is posting and trying to get people talking, but as of right now I just don't think there's much to talk about. However, I'd put him down as a light civ read.

What do you think will get people talking?

Followed two hours later with this:

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:46 pm Haha, I forgot to come back and move my vote.

And no visible attempt anywhere to do anything with the questions he had asked previously, giving me reason to doubt that he cared at all about his own line of investigation.


The first time I remember stating suspicion against him, and his response was to take cover behind his meta:

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:06 pm @Marmot has not made a single post that I can't see coming from a mafia member. That's not a very good look. I also don't really know where he stands on anything. He just keeps self-voting and making small observations here and there.

Have you met me?

tries to motivate himself to play mafia, but this place smells like old shrimp

Uninspiring.

Here's another collection of mid-game posts where he seems to be trying to check off the "Active participant" box without really producing much:

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:44 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

If what you muse about is correct Scotty, that means you have a higher likelihood of being anti-town than any other player in this thread.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:59 pm Boomslang, who're you voting for today?

Why do you require a read on yourself from nijuu?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:03 pm @insertnamehere where you at? I haven't seen a post from you yet today, and you even wrote a song yesterday.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:22 pm I'll comment that these folks haven't posted yet today, and we've < 6 hours left.

@DrWilgy
@insertnamehere
@nijuukyugou
@sig

Marmot attempts to pump everyone up like he's JaggedJimmyJay


This is the Game of Champions folks! Let's get it together. Pretend that someone shit in your cornflakes or something.

Maybe it's unfair of me to label them as such, but these all feel like hollow prods to me. I don't see him doing much with the responses he gets and they don't feel particularly directed toward anything.

If there's a specific incident I take issue with, it was this small exchange the two of us had a few days ago (I've wrapped the whole thing in quote brackets for visual appeal):

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:00 pm This is dumb. Stop suspecting me.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Places a joking vote on me. Not furreal.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:00 pm This is dumb. Stop suspecting me.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Do you actually suspect me?

No. The above vote is a joke.

I asked directly whether or not he actually suspected me. "No" was his answer. Marmot does not suspect me. Noted.
So I followed up:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:29 pm Marmot, you placed a joke vote on me and then removed it. This leads me to believe you think I'm town. Why?

Why would this lead you to believe that I think you're civilian.

This and that are not the same thing.

I was lead to believe that you think I am civilian because you stated "no" when asked if you suspect me. Sure you can say I'm a null read. But I refuse to accept that at the juncture of the game in which this exchange took place, especially when I have ~142 posts. "No" suspicion for this player should indicate a town read, but Marmot won't commit to that stance. I'm really just trying to get him to follow up on the read he seemed to hint at earlier, but he refuses to do so.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:29 pm Marmot, you placed a joke vote on me and then removed it. This leads me to believe you think I'm town. Why?

Why would this lead you to believe that I think you're civilian.

This and that are not the same thing.


Linki: Oops, got distracted by work. Meant to post this a while ago.

You had a chance to vote for me but did not. What is your read of me?

Currently, I think you're abstracting my vote for you into something bigger. I voted for you as a joke. That's it. I also don't understand what you mean by "I had a chance to vote for you". You're really reaching on this one.

I don't think I was reaching seeing as I was directly responding to a read you had hinted at a few minutes earlier. This seems like the marmot trying to weasel out of a read.

If I were to articulate my suspicion of Marmot in one word, it would be listless. It feels like he's going through the motions of being a townie, but without the direction or the emotion of a player who is genuinely trying to solve the game.

Vote Marmot, 2018.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:51 pm At this point I do not know what to do or how to react. We're two weeks into Day 1.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:18 pm @Hosts

The thread subject still shows Night 4.

What am I, a pigeon?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:51 pm At this point I do not know what to do or how to react. We're two weeks into Day 1.

We lynch some people twice.

Currently, enemy nks are free (provided mafia isn’t killing themselves).

Let’s end that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:00 pm I fully expect to die tonight.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:39 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:59 pm Boomslang, who're you voting for today?

Why do you require a read on yourself from nijuu?

Still not 100% sure, but I could get behind a Wilgy vote. Based on posting patterns, I'm guessing either that he's bluffing or that Scotty/Blooper got a silence as their second role. I already didn't like his comment about killing himself before Bloops, and his response to my analysis of JoH was weird. He said I'd thought about Jack more than he had, then never responded why he thought Jack was good himself.

Therefore, I think a WIlgy lynch would give us good information. Imo, there's a not insignficant chance that he's bad, and if he's not, then I think we get valuable intel about Scotty/Blooper's targeting thoughts.

As for wanting Blooper's read on me? All in good time, my marmot.
linki: There it is! Much obliged.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:44 pm Ok, all caught up. I don't like Sig's explanation of the haiku confusion on a personal level, but I guess that's a playstyle disagreement. Not going to push it when we have juicy nightkill responses to make.

I wasn't involved in killing Blooper, but I strongly suspect that whoever did kill her is laughing their asses off at the WIFOM they just created. I'm betting it's one of the older players who understands the couples meta. Coupled with sig's good point about a ballsy scum team being willing to NK their own for the wifom...

Marmot needs to show up and give us something to chew on. Wilgy has also been super blendy so far. About the only thing we've gotten from him is some gentle needling of Sloonei based on a point made by Scotty. And a cryptic comment about Kyle — why is he a "hero and patriot" for voting Blooper?

I also have an eyeball on Lorab right now. "Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone" at the end of Day 1 is so noncommittal, then she votes Sloonei for "peer pressure" and the active voices in the thread don't really get on her for that lack of reasoning. She then jumps in, first post of Day 2, to begin the WIFOM about me and the Blooper kill.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:10 pm We could just spread the vote again and keep the other thread thinking we're high-action lynchers over here.

Are you bad

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:41 pm Ugh. I have no idea where to vote. I don't actually suspect anyone.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:53 pm Our "inability to lynch" so far probably stems from our lack of consensus on the polls. The other tribe has simply been out-voting us so far. It we want to lynch somebody, we need to all agree on a name.

LoRab and Boomslang are my top suspects. I remain open to other names, but we are running out of time. Splitting the vote means another day of not lynching one of our suspects, and losing another one of our town reads. Or having one of our town reads lose a life, at least.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:44 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:30 pm [VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

What do you currently think about insertnamehere?

Are you trying to make sure we never lynch anyone or are you actually not suspicious at all of Boomslang?

I think INH was good based on that role reveal. I have no idea as of now.

I'm interested in knowing the cause of his death.

I recall Spacedaisy expressing recent suspicion of him, though yes she was not the only one. Additionally, inh is voting for her.


What do you think? It's possible that the virus is what killed inh, and that'd be rather sad for the thing that he was protecting us from is what became the death of him.

I’m wracking my brain for a mechanism that would kill at a random time in the day.

A glaring one is probably a one-shot vig kill. Pretty ballsy to do that when someone you suspect still has a life left, but I guess that’s plausible and could have worked out if INH was a role that screamed mafia.

I mean shit, he could still be mafia and “virus” could very well be “save” in a weird opposite bizzarro world. So in essence a strongman type role.

I choose to believe he was a doctor-lite tho

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:29 pm In other news. I've been stuck as a juror for the past day and a half with this song stuck in my head the entire time.


This is pretty much my own personal hell

lol are you and LoRab at the same trial?

Is it a civil or criminal trial? If civil, im so sorry that’s boring as shit

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:30 pm [VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

What do you currently think about insertnamehere?

Are you trying to make sure we never lynch anyone or are you actually not suspicious at all of Boomslang?

I think INH was good based on that role reveal. I have no idea as of now.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:28 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:37 pm @Marmot the other tribe has a role thay forces one player each day to post in haiku. Other than that, they didn't appear to have any post restrictions present in their thread.

As for the discussion about the votes that sent me there, I had no say in it. I didn't get home from work until about 6 hours after I'd been given the privilege. So if the desire was to send someone there right away, I wasn't the best choice. I did devote a big part of my morning yesterday to going through their thread and I'm grateful that y'all picked me for the task. I have no concerns about the voters who sent me there for doing so, but I can see why we might want to discuss those things in more detail if it comes up again.

I didn't really have time to discuss, even, so I just placed my vote and left.

After reading their thread, did you gather any takeaways for our thread?


Right now, this game feels like Cerberus vs Pikachu more than civilian vs mafia. Every role that's flipped has potential to be civilian, or independent, and as everyone in Cerberus is aware, we seem unable to lynch.

If you vote for Boomslang, there is a higher chance that we will be able

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:37 pm @Marmot the other tribe has a role thay forces one player each day to post in haiku. Other than that, they didn't appear to have any post restrictions present in their thread.

As for the discussion about the votes that sent me there, I had no say in it. I didn't get home from work until about 6 hours after I'd been given the privilege. So if the desire was to send someone there right away, I wasn't the best choice. I did devote a big part of my morning yesterday to going through their thread and I'm grateful that y'all picked me for the task. I have no concerns about the voters who sent me there for doing so, but I can see why we might want to discuss those things in more detail if it comes up again.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:02 pm I don’t like how quick Sloonei was picked. I mean that strategically speaking.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:36 am You guys! Prior to me making this post, the other tribe has literally exactly twice as many posts as us.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:15 am And I'm just going to throw this idea out there, I think whoever has the button is mafia, since it hasn't been pushed yet. Or it was a night killed player.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:18 pm They aren't aware that their lynches are overriding ours.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:10 pm Their poll leader was lynched each day with the following vote totals:
Day 1 - 4 votes
Day 2 - 5 votes (2-way tie)
Day 3 - 6 votes

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:34 pm Perhaps inconsistent, but I also appreciate Marmot's defense of me in the last two pages (I read the thread...a bit strangely. Last, first, and then the middle). I'm usually fairly suspicious when someone buddies up to me like he's been doing (and perhaps I should be more so), but I get good vibes. Let's see if that changes as I continue to catch up.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:14 pm Did we end up getting those last 2 volunteers for our tribe? Jeff?

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:58 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:44 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

If what you muse about is correct Scotty, that means you have a higher likelihood of being anti-town than any other player in this thread.

That is patently and logically false. “Higher likelihood?” No. It’s possibly possible, but not higher chance. I’m already under the impression that this tribe has *at least* one mafia member and maybe even up to 4. And my assumption would be maybe one person switching to mafia for their 2nd role out of the entire player pool. I hypothesize that most everyone would instead switch to civ so as to make the good pool bigger.
So as a matter of conjecture based on that, I actually have a higher likelihood to be town.

Don’t twist my assumptions into logical fallacies.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:22 pm I'll comment that these folks haven't posted yet today, and we've < 6 hours left.

@DrWilgy
@insertnamehere
@nijuukyugou
@sig

Marmot attempts to pump everyone up like he's JaggedJimmyJay


This is the Game of Champions folks! Let's get it together. Pretend that someone shit in your cornflakes or something.

What are your thoughts on these 4 people?

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:35 pm Fuck it. sig's all over the place. I'm re-reading interactions between him and Sloonei, and he's floundering like crazy. He might be weird, but not usually floundery. I want to have more time to look at the Lorab comparison before I make an uninformed vote in her direction. Pulling the trigger and vote sig. (Did I do that right? Friggin' tags.)