The Syndicate

Plus it was a much more exciting gambit than me throwing under the bus.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:41 pm Good times, it was definitely the right move, went down in Mafia history.

And yeah, I've been singing the same tune for 2 years, sure, it's because the false rumors of my awesome skills still love to creep around, and its really annoying.
Wouldn't it have maybe gone to LyLo if Town wasted a day lynching you tho and you'd nightkilled a civ instead?

I think there'd have been 9 players including 2 baddies on Day 7.

Then 7 players and 1 baddie on Day 8.

In hindsight, holy crap this game would have been tough to win. We had 3 mafia against 17 civilians and an independent (who was also a civ sympathizer with a lynch stop and a rezz).

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:57 pm tell me more please, or I might read 53 pages.

tl;dr

Long Con, Sorsha, and I were teammates. We were cruising along until Sorsha took a ton of heat and Long Con sort of scumslipped around Day 6. Sorsha was lynched that day, and Long Con looked terrible coming out of it.

So I suggested we nightkill him to protect his identity and play the rest of the game solo. :3

See reactions after his death.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:33 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2016 11:13 am
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:Oh yeah! And I wanted to congratulate sig for calling me out on that COMPLETE BADDIE SLIP when I said Spacedaisy wasn't an info role.

And shame on you Civvies who felt that it was not a baddie slip. You guys were so wrong, and you owe him respect now.
Golden did the same thing in Gentlemen's Guide. How do you guys slip like that?
Contrary to popular belief, I'm the worst at Mafia. :lol:
LC's been singing the same tune for 2 years now damn.

Best part about this game? Long Con and I were mafia partners and I nightkilled him.

I forgot to mention. I was against the idea of killing Epignosis because he does get nightkilled so often as a civilian. I liked the idea of giving him a chance to play the game out. Also, I know he doesn't get lazy in late-game situations (usually), so as mafia I know he's one of the few people who will discuss, and because he will stay open-minded, there's potential for mafia to talk themselves out of being lynched with him around.

In fact, I don't think I've ever been on a mafia team that's nightkilled Epignosis.

Gonna have to change that habit before I get caught.

I also don't think I've been on a mafia team that hasn't nightkilled Black Rock. :P

:lol:

Long Con wrote:Oh yeah! And I wanted to congratulate sig for calling me out on that COMPLETE BADDIE SLIP when I said Spacedaisy wasn't an info role.

And shame on you Civvies who felt that it was not a baddie slip. You guys were so wrong, and you owe him respect now.

Golden did the same thing in Gentlemen's Guide. How do you guys slip like that?

Ika, why did you vote for thellama73?

Black Rock wrote:I thought MM wanted to be friends. I guess not

I think we are definitely still friends.

To be fair, I preferred the option of nightkilling Epignosis, but Long Con and I discussed it and agreed that you were the way to go. You were the only confirmed civilian in the game.

I don't know if it makes you feel better or worse that I preferred killing him before killing you. :P

Scotty wrote:
Wow, that is surprising. I thought you could only block night powers. Little did I know.
Is this the norm? I've never heard of a a lynch survival being able to be blocked.

It's definitely not the norm around here. This is the first game I've seen it.

I'm guessing it was Elohcin's method of helping balance the game. There were 18 civilians against 3 mafia afterall. And the civilians had a protector, and a tracker, and 1 group of BTSC and 1 group of potential BTSC and a rezz, and a.... Well you get the idea. :P

Elohcin wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:Hey- just saw we won!

Yippee! I did not think Mafia would kill their own, so that was a surprise. I still thought in the back of my mind that either Epi or ika was the other baddie, but knew Mm was the safer bet.

When he hinted at surviving his lynch, he tipped his hand to me because that was my role. So thanks for that, Mm. I also wasn't worried about being blackmailed because for some reason I thought you could only blackmail someone with a night power. But eh, worked out in the end.

That was a stressful game. I couldn't understand llama's reads. I think in the end I would have believed Wilgy checked Epi and found BTSC and determined that it was civ BTSC. Sorry for suspecting you almost all game, Epi. I thank all the peeps that backed you up and made me question my own mortality.

Good game civs, and good try baddies. Thanks for the game, Elo! I like this winning thing.
I was also informed that blocking you last night would make you lynchable today. Hence me coming after you hard out of the gate.

That would've been something.
Yeah, apparently I would have been a wacko host for allowing that to happen

Haha. I would have to agree. I was pleasantly surprised that I could do such a thing, and I'm certainly glad I asked. It obviously didn't matter anyway.

By the way, thanks for the game Elohcin! I had a lot of fun in this one, despite the result, and I appreciate you putting up with Long Con's and my antics. :P Oh and Sorsha thanks for putting up with us too.

Scotty wrote:Hey- just saw we won!

Yippee! I did not think Mafia would kill their own, so that was a surprise. I still thought in the back of my mind that either Epi or ika was the other baddie, but knew Mm was the safer bet.

When he hinted at surviving his lynch, he tipped his hand to me because that was my role. So thanks for that, Mm. I also wasn't worried about being blackmailed because for some reason I thought you could only blackmail someone with a night power. But eh, worked out in the end.

That was a stressful game. I couldn't understand llama's reads. I think in the end I would have believed Wilgy checked Epi and found BTSC and determined that it was civ BTSC. Sorry for suspecting you almost all game, Epi. I thank all the peeps that backed you up and made me question my own mortality.

Good game civs, and good try baddies. Thanks for the game, Elo! I like this winning thing.

I was also informed that blocking you last night would make you lynchable today. Hence me coming after you hard out of the gate.

That would've been something.

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:We couldn't have known you were going to kill her in the Scrimmage game. Had I known that would happen, I would have voted for a different target.

Also, Epignosis. On Night 2, DF did not save your bacon. We opted to gambit, and not place a nightkill at all. :P
Why no kill? Why kill your teammate?

The no kill: I can't remember why. I think just to give the protector something to think about or maybe direct some negative attention to towards low posters.

The Long Con kill: I kinda explained that one already. You guys were set to lynch Long Con after Sorsha went down. Long Con came into the chatzy a bit crestfallen, because he was in a heap of trouble himself, but it was mainly because BR had caught him. So I said "Hey, why don't I just kill you and we'll see what happens next." I know it is a far from ideal strategy, but we were teetering on the edge anyway. I was of the impression that the best we could do is throw a wrench into the town plans.

And it actually worked to an extent. You and BR looked on in disbelief and didn't know where to look next when he was nightkilled.

sig wrote:Why did you kill me?

Oh and Ika my case on you was bull I was blackmailed and didn't want the mafia to know I was the doctor just in case they did something silly with my powers.

We knew who Epignosis was, and you and him seemed to be on the same page, so we killed you thinking you were his BTSC mate.

Then it became obvious we were wrong about that when Epignosis came off the poll again.

We couldn't have known you were going to kill her in the Scrimmage game. Had I known that would happen, I would have voted for a different target.

Also, Epignosis. On Night 2, DF did not save your bacon. We opted to gambit, and not place a nightkill at all. :P

ika wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh well.

In hindsight, I do think killing Long Con helped us out. He was lined up for the lynch the next day, and I can't imagine how I would have faired with a confirmed civilian Epignosis.

Good game civs. You gave us so many chances, but you got your shit together at the end, kind of. :P
why did you guys kill silver and BM ppl to vote me?

I remember you saying in Turf wars you would kill Silver if you were mafia. She was also a threat.

But we also knew people would only vote for you if they believe it. Several players did not follow through on their blackmail, so we got to take their powers for a night as a result.

I was actually immune to a lynch on Day 8. We blackmailed Scotty and took his power, so that was the main reason I faked being blackmailed. I didn't actually think Epignosis would be lynched. I thought people were going to turn on me for my play.

Also, it was fun giving you guys something to chew on when we killed Long Con.

I also didn't realize that Epignosis could choose his target's new targets. I had to be careful on the last phase about Lorab, because I figured out Illy was silenced around halfway through the day, and there was no way Lorab would have targeted Illy on her own. I knew Epignosis had to have redirected Lorab's action, but I thought it had randomly gone to Illy.

Oh well.

In hindsight, I do think killing Long Con helped us out. He was lined up for the lynch the next day, and I can't imagine how I would have faired with a confirmed civilian Epignosis.

Good game civs. You gave us so many chances, but you got your shit together at the end, kind of. :P

I'm about to head out the door, and might not be back until after the deadline. See y'all then.

Ah, but I see that Scotty said somewhere else he has 2 shows today, so that could explain the inactivity somewhat.

Still, he did make such a post somewhere else and not here.

LoRab wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh well, might as well get this over with.

I would prefer lynching one of the two mafia roles, because going into the night phase with both of them still alive is not a "safe" option in my opnion.
So you're voting yourself?

But seriously, if you truly aren't mafia, then who do you think the remaining baddies are?

I believe it is Scotty and ika, and you after that.

In my mind, Epignosis cannot be mafia, and Illy is likely not mafia.

As I mentioned about ika before, he's been done nothing the past few days except vote for Epignosis, himself, and on the day Sorsha was lynched: Illy the counterwagon.

Then there is Scotty. He claimed to not be a power role when the only vanilla role was lynched Day 2. His contributions have been defenses of himself, and a request to lynch me. He hasn't posted in over 24 hours. With his own neck not being on the line, he is coasting too much today. So is ika. Scotty was more active at the beginning of the day when he had votes.

I changed my mind, I'm voting ika. I'm not putting up with this plan of voting the "safe" option because it's bullsuit.

Oh well, might as well get this over with.

I would prefer lynching one of the two mafia roles, because going into the night phase with both of them still alive is not a "safe" option in my opnion.

LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Scotty wrote:Yo LoRab, let's say Wilgy checked both of us and neither of us had BTSC.

Let's also say that one of the three people Wilgy checked had BTSC and they were civ with BTSC.

How would that make you feel about your current voting suspicions, if this were true?
That's the main point that makes me hesitant about you. MM's posts this past RL day have made me feel worse about him and my vote may go in that direction.
It's these kinds of posts that make me think "She's bad."

What specifically about MM's posts this past day made you feel worse? What did he say? Why?

Just vaguely nodding and going, "He made me feel worse" makes me feel worse about you.
Sorry, I had about 5 minutes to be able to post and didn't have time to elaborate.

In short, it's partly tone and partly that he's gone back and forth on everyone, seemingly hopping onto whatever name comes up at a given moment. His accusations and posts read as disingenuous to me.

Alright Lorab, this is a post you made about me yesterday, and the first accusation I could find from you against me all game.

I have not been hopping onto whatever name comes up, seemingly or otherwise. I do try to make a meaningful vote on a daily basis... usually.

Why do you think it's bad to "jump on lynch trains"? I know lynching a civilians isn't a good thing, and it doesn't look great when a player does it, but in my opinion, it looks worse to not have any part in lynches, regardless of who is lynched. Constantly placing your vote elsewhere is worse because that means you are avoiding getting your hands dirty. This is a common mafia strategy, and Sorsha is a perfect example of this.

Looking back, the day that you were supposed to be lynched, Sorsha didn't vote on either of the bandwagons, but voted for Long Con.

LoRab wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hi deadies.

I see that no living player came by. Probably for the better, because my 1 hour climbing session turned into 4 hours, and I'm home later than anticipated and exhausted.
So, in your exhaustion, do you want to tell us all how you're bad?

The problem with this is that it would require I am mafia.

Why do you think I'm bad?

Hi deadies.

I see that no living player came by. Probably for the better, because my 1 hour climbing session turned into 4 hours, and I'm home later than anticipated and exhausted.

I'll be around this evening to chat, as well tomorrow morning. How about the rest of y'all?

Oh my, look at that poorly placed period.

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Illyria wrote:Ugh. Why is this lynch so hard??

Right now I am leaning civ for Ika, LoRab and probably Matt.

That leaves me Scotty and MM.

Scotty, why not just vote for MM? Unless you are protecting him....
You know, I will vote for Mm. I have a hunch, plus he was my first gut read as scum in this game.

Vote MM
Well that's convenient isn't it?

This isn't the worst thing that could happen today, but it's certainly not the best either.
What would be the worst thing that could happen?
I'll let you know if it happens.
Speak.

It didn't happen.

That would be you being lynched . I think that would have been the worst outcome.

Scotty wrote:Keep it coming, y'all. I've tried to be nothing but forthcoming this game.

In MM's universe:
Edith Crawley calling out someone as good means they're good.
Tom switching the lynch off of LoRab means she is good.
Mrs. Pattmore silencing me means I'm bad.
Mrs Hughes and BTSC mate removing Epi from the poll means he's good.

These people only know what they are, and can suspect based on unproven variables. It doesn't clear anyone.

Where do these ideas come from? Is this an accusation?

I definitely said the last one, but don't readily recall the other 3.

Scotty wrote:No, a civ who has suspicions and ideas has only that: suspicions and ideas. By taking Epi off the poll, they are sure that he is good. But people make mistakes.
Obvi Epi is off the table today, but that does not clear him. If he is civ, then there's a more than half chance we'll find one of two baddies. Which I guess makes me feel better.

Also wtf ika. Don't vote yourself if you are good.

Some civs have suspicions. Some civs have ideas. But some civs also have BTSC.

Epignosis wrote:Scotty, MM: What's your opinion of ika's self-voting?

At this point, I think he's avoiding accountability. He's voted for nobody aside from you or himself over the last few days. The exception is Day 4, which happened to be the day Sorsha was lynched.

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I spent this afternoon reading through Lorab, because I was determined to come into Day 9 voting for her, but I can't rush the decision. I have some lingering doubts about her guilt.

You remaining gentlemen are going to get the full brunt of my eye.
Ow, that hurts.
It should, because I'm going to start from the premise that you and Scotty are Thomas and James and go from there.

Enjoy your read. I look forward to refuting this claim.

Epignosis wrote:I spent this afternoon reading through Lorab, because I was determined to come into Day 9 voting for her, but I can't rush the decision. I have some lingering doubts about her guilt.

You remaining gentlemen are going to get the full brunt of my eye.

Ow, that hurts.

Scotty wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sigh.

Well the good news is, Epignosis is confirmed civilian.
Is he though?

Yes. The baddies didn't take him off the poll, I believe that only a civilian could have last night.

You and ika are the last two baddies, aren't you?

Sigh.

Well the good news is, Epignosis is confirmed civilian.

Scotty wrote:I don't expect to live through this phase, but here we go.

Erm, ok.

This town ain't big enough for the two of us, Scotty. :driveby:

Well fuck-a-doodle.

Scotty wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:MM, why did you vote Epi yesterday? I don't recall you actually answering that question.
I thought he was bad yesterday.

Fortunately, I think we're going to learn a couple things when the new day phase arrives.
I guess we are. Who are you planning to kill tonight, Wallaby?

I'm not giving the baddies any bright ideas.

Scotty wrote:MM, why did you vote Epi yesterday? I don't recall you actually answering that question.

I thought he was bad yesterday.

Fortunately, I think we're going to learn a couple things when the new day phase arrives.

Scotty wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.
Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

What are you talking about? All three doctors are different.

Yes I do. Are you bad Scotty?

Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Epignosis, do you think the Doctor is still alive? The role not the player.

Scotty wrote:
Dom wrote:Epignosis - Good
Ika - Bad
Illyria - Good
LoRab - Bad
MetalMarsh89 - Bad
Scotty - Bad

Only 2 of those bad reads could be right. I really don't think I'm wrong about Illy and Epig.
Thanks for the GTH Dom.

Anyone else?

Mine looks exactly like Dom's except substitute him as a civ and take me off.

What about yours Scotty?

ika wrote:
Scotty wrote:Fuckin a.

I give up.
This is why we lynch epi tommorw........

im also predciting scotty was bm to not be able to vote epi or somthing bullshitty

I suppose that was a possibility too.

Scotty wrote:I feel like we could benefit from some GTH reads.

There's just a huge amount of doubt I have in calling anyone civ in this game. I almost never last this long in games, and if I do it's because I'm Mafia or doing a horrid job as a civ. I feel manipulated, and I don't know who's pulling my strings. It's quite an annoying feeling. I spilled coffee on myself and I still feel better about that than this.

Logic is telling me MM must be one of the last two baddies.

But it could be illy/Epi for all I know. It could be ika/anyone else besides Epi. Could be LoRab.

Epi, do you think LoRab is bad? So far your track record this game has been piss poor, and you did ask me to consider Matt yesterday. If Epi is bad, GG Mafia, MVP goes to all the meta-callers that keep calling him civ like they share BTSC with him. I've deduced Epi has BTSC- it would make the Wilgy claim make sense- but it's to be seen if he is Mafia with Mafia mates defending him or civvie with civvie mates defending him.

I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

I'm in the same boat as you Scotty. I haven't been nightkilled much lately because I'm an awful civilian.

Also, everyone in this game is a power role, except for one.

Illyria wrote:MM, why have you not moved your vote off of Epi yet-- and did you explain why you voted him in the first place?

I believe I did, but I'm on my phone right now so can't go back and get it at the moment.

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Illyria wrote:Ugh. Why is this lynch so hard??

Right now I am leaning civ for Ika, LoRab and probably Matt.

That leaves me Scotty and MM.

Scotty, why not just vote for MM? Unless you are protecting him....
You know, I will vote for Mm. I have a hunch, plus he was my first gut read as scum in this game.

Vote MM
Well that's convenient isn't it?

This isn't the worst thing that could happen today, but it's certainly not the best either.
What would be the worst thing that could happen?

I'll let you know if it happens.

Scotty wrote:
Illyria wrote:Ugh. Why is this lynch so hard??

Right now I am leaning civ for Ika, LoRab and probably Matt.

That leaves me Scotty and MM.

Scotty, why not just vote for MM? Unless you are protecting him....
You know, I will vote for Mm. I have a hunch, plus he was my first gut read as scum in this game.

Vote MM

Well that's convenient isn't it?

This isn't the worst thing that could happen today, but it's certainly not the best either.

Matt wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Matt wrote:If I were teamies with Sorsha, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to shout in the thread "LAAAAME DON'T LYNCH SORSHA LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE"...I'm too much of a scaredy cat.
After the Game of Champions, I would never believe this line for a second, ever!
Quick story from GoC...

it was one of the many crazy lynches we went through, and motel room was on the chopping block, I had my vote on him. I think it was motel room with 6 votes, someone else with 4 votes, don't remember who.

We have, literally, like 10 minutes before the poll ends, and Wilgy's in chat like "Ummm hey Matt are you going to move your vote off Motel room or what?" And I'm like "naaaah man, sure I can move it and it'll end up a tie but I don't wanna risk it, I'm gettin' some civvie cred". Wilgy's like "ummm DUDE WE HAVE AN EXTRA SECRET VOTE THERE WON'T BE A TIE!!!" and even then, I was hesitant to move it but was convinced to do so.

For real, especially with Sorsha's non play this game, I would've bussed her ass to the moon if we were teamies.

I was talking about the part where you got BTSC with me, and fed me this bullsuit story about your civ role. :P

Matt wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:But here, I'll post a special rainbow list for today.

Dom
Illyria
Scotty
Lorab
ika
Matt
Where's Epi on your list? Since your vote is on him, I'm going to assume he's a red, as well.

Why do you have Dom in green, what do you think of Dom not mentioning Sorsha until day 4, and when he does, his order goes "joke about Sorsha being on a team", "discredit Nero's suss of Sorsha", "suss Sorsha"...1 2 3.

Oops, I can't believe I forgot to put him on there.

Matt wrote:If I were teamies with Sorsha, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to shout in the thread "LAAAAME DON'T LYNCH SORSHA LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE"...I'm too much of a scaredy cat.

After the Game of Champions, I would never believe this line for a second, ever!

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