The Syndicate

As a player, I prefer private threads. As a host, I haven't had to deal with permissions yet, so I'll go with private threads again.

Zexy wrote:I can't really relate to this, though, 20 player games are considered pretty big for us. 2-3 abilities with GF is commonplace for our role madness games as well, though. And if you think chat rooms are inconvenient in big scum teams... have you checked the MU mashes? 85-man, 57-man... scum teams of 15-21 people using SKYPE. There's some madness

Marco wrote:Private threads would be great, but mafia is just a small part of the website I come from and some of the higher staff like to keep us on a tight leash, so we don't have any such options. QT's are the perfect alternative. They're really convenient for role madness games as there's so many abilities, players, roles, gambits, etc to keep track of. On our board, 20 player games are considered small and there're usually 2-3 60+ player games each year (average game size is around 25-30 players, and the preferable size is generally ~40). And most mafia teams usually have each member with 2-3 abilties with a Godfather (and maybe Backup) having 4-5. And a lot of games go beyond this. So you can see how chatrooms would be a big inconvenience.

The only downside I've come across is if there is a role in the game that gains nightly BTSC with a different player each night. It makes much more sense to create Chatzy rooms each time rather than a new private thread.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P

Is this seriously a thing? I'll have to play.

It is now!

Actually, these are both brand new ideas, but that doesn't mean they can't be real.



Also, pie is the best!

Pie Mafia: coming soon to a Syndicate near you.

Not to be confused with Pi Mafia, which is also in the works. :P

That's ok, I'm used to being the only one in the Oatmeal Raisin Cookie club.

I take offense to oatmeal raisin cookie being the only bad one.

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:And hey, a message to the town vigilante:

Hold your head high. You're the one who had to pull the trigger, so don't mind any criticism. Shit happens, it's Mafia.

Exactly - but I'll still give you shit for it MM

Now we're even since you almost botched "Gentleman's Guide" for us. :P

Well I don't know if this would be considered being even since we won in spite of that, but I can always give you shit for that.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I was going to kill Golden or MP last night. Unfortunately, I picked the wrong one. I am a terrible vig.

You really were. The point of vig is to take out non-contributors, not go on gut!

Anyway, I jailkept MP. I did it because I had done it on day 2 and I knew he wasn't town vig, and that town vig was critical to us winning.

I disagree.

Regardless, my Night 2 kill was anything but gut. My gut said DrWilgy, but I looked over the EOD1 events, and Dyslexicon looked bad coming out of it. Same with his EOD2 actions, so that is why I opted to kill him.


If you're unhappy with my decision to kill you, I understand. In my defense, my point in lynching zebra over DrWilgy was that if she did come back civ, I thought it would look better for the doctor, hence why I didn't want to kill him. But after zebra flipped, I went into Night 4 with the most likely of scum teams being you, MP, and sig. We were in pretty dire situation as it was, so I opted to kill the one I felt would be hardest to lynch. I felt good enough about Soneji not to kill him. I didn't feel confident either way on ika. Considering the situation last night, I thought it was best to kill someone who is likely scum, not someone who is a non-participant. I don't think that is the wrong way to approach it.

Thanks Golden for jailkeeping MP on Night 2. Had you not, I'd have likely been lynched Day 3 or killed Night 3, and you'd still be alive.

ika wrote:MM i think the only thing you did wrong was the fact you killed that night.

one thing i account for as scum 100% of the time is a numbers perspective. when i saw us going into the day, i said vig should not shoot if we myslynch due to it leading to scum autowin

other then that you did good

I think you're right. I found it difficult to have an ability and not use it, especially since I was in fear of being lynched early in the game.

I also thought a Night 2 kill was beneficial because even if I did miss, I could still give the civilians an idea of what scenarios are in play, which at least offers some more information.

Rather than being stuck with 9 possible scenarios, we were able to narrow it down to 4, and likely 3.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Indeed, ika insisted on killing Silver N1, which I was OK with because she was onto me more than anyone else. I feared Epignosis, so I killed him too.

Good thing you did, buddy boy, because I was going to grill you. I was of the opinion that you and Golden were both bad.

I was as well.

I was going to kill Golden or MP last night. Unfortunately, I picked the wrong one. I am a terrible vig.

Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

I'm sorry for killing you Dizzy. I think I overanalyzed the IAWY stuff too much on Night 2.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:And hey, a message to the town vigilante:

Hold your head high. You're the one who had to pull the trigger, so don't mind any criticism. Shit happens, it's Mafia.

Haha, yeah I don't regret my kill decision last night. I do regret my Night 2 decision though. I was planning on killing DrWilgy originally that night, and consididering he ended up being an easy lynch target the next few days, it was bad to leave him alive.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, so MM was the vig? Nicely done, I couldn't hunt you down, MM, because you concealed your identity through your choice of kills. Shame you had such bad hits though. I'd be interested in hearing your thought process.

That's about the only thing I did right. Stay alive and not let anyone know it was me.

sig wrote:So wait does it take three to hammer or four?

I knew it! Scoylor (Scotty +Taylor) should pay for all of use to go on a cruise or something.

Jay said it was 4.

MovingPictures07 wrote:ika's emotion seems sincere to me. I'm switching back.

VOTE DRWILGY

Term paper time. Be back later. Then I guess I'll revisit my IAWY interaction analyses and try performing some arbitrary paired analysis of the five of you? Not sure what else to do at this stage.

We could probably talk about how awful our town vig has been.

Two kills between Zexy, Dyslexicon, Golden, and Soneji is just awful.

sig wrote:........

Will you two stop acting like children and STOP VOTING!

Like I mean are you seriously on the last day No Uing each other.

It seems to be that way.

Linki: I am not voting yet because I want to have a chance to sit down on my computer and read later.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:me and silver litraly had this same scnario once before where it was 2 scums (us), 1 scum, 1 town.

it didnt end due to a bullshit possible tie outcome

Sounds like you're upset the game hasn't ended.

ika, are you bad?

WILL YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY YOU FUCKING SCUM THE FACT ITS NOT OVER IS FUCKING BULLSHIT OF COURSE IM NOT SCUM

THE GAME IS OVER TOWN DOES NOT HAVE CONTROLL OF LYNCH

VOTE IKA

Umm, nice analysis.

I think ika just admitted to being scum.

MovingPictures07 wrote:MM, if you're mafia, then well fucking played. Either way, I need you to work with me here so I can figure you and the rest of these players out, because I'm feeling lost. When are you going to be around?

Not until tonight, I'm on my way to school now and will be busy all day.

I am amazed at how fast you had that post written up MP.

I think we are down to two scenarios.

That zebra slip, I can't get over it... Help...

Well shit. I think we're damn well screwed here.

:P

I voted for a2thezebra though.

sig wrote:VOTE ZEBRA


There is no good civ reason to encourage a hammer after being the hammer which lynched a civ and pushed us to lynch or loose.


ONCE AGAIN THIS IS LYNCH OR LOOSE!

Zebra is trying to force a hammer in an attempt to win no civ should be advocating for a hammer this early into a phase especially WITHOUT A CASE

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:VOTING INFORMATION

Voting in this game will be a two-piece operation. You'll place a vote in the game thread (this is a requirement by rule for those Syndicate regulars who may not be accustomed to that). This must be formatted the same way by all players:

In the "Large" font size and in all capital letters, write "VOTE [PLAYER]. For example, a vote for me would look like this: VOTE JAGGEDJIMMYJAY

Please write the FULL USERNAME of the player you wish to vote for. The automated tallier on Mafia Universe might recognize some abbreviations, but not all. So use this game to get accustomed to being thorough about it. In the official games you won't have to write "VOTE" because there will be [v] [/v] code for it. In this game, "VOTE" is replacing that.

I'd rather be safe.

Sig! Fix your vote.

DrWilgy wrote:

Golden wrote:Since this is ending soon anyway...

I once again implore the town vig... use your kill to take out someone who we don't want to be at lylo with, because they are difficult to understand. Wilgy would be my preference.

Please don't use it on someone we are more likely to be able to figure out on our own, even if you think they are bad.

Or... We could y'know... Kill the baddies?

Do we even know when LYLO is?

(i'll go back to barking up my tree now though... No one u understands the wiggles)

We could be luck and go into tomorrow with 6 civilians and 1 mafia left.

We could also be unlucky and go into tomorrow with 3 civilians and 3 mafia left.


It really all depends on what happens with this lynch, and who can nightkill. This is a very pivotal point in the game.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch zebra today. Twice, she intentionally put DrWilgy in a near hammer situation. I don't think she would do such a thing if DrWilgy were a civilian, or a vanilla mafia.

Tin-foil hat time. I think zebra is a power role on the mafia team, and she's trying to make it through the day alive, hence attempting to off DrWilgy.

This could also explain her 'I'm happier to be lynched myself than have MP lynched' stuff on day one.

I honestly don't think this and that are related, since zebra has a much different mindset today than she did Day 1.

It doesn't need to be related... simply the fact she is MPR would be enough to make that particular thing worth doing on day one tactically, since it makes her look more vanilla.

I thought you were being sarcastic, it seems I am wrong.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch zebra today. Twice, she intentionally put DrWilgy in a near hammer situation. I don't think she would do such a thing if DrWilgy were a civilian, or a vanilla mafia.

Tin-foil hat time. I think zebra is a power role on the mafia team, and she's trying to make it through the day alive, hence attempting to off DrWilgy.

This could also explain her 'I'm happier to be lynched myself than have MP lynched' stuff on day one.

I honestly don't think this and that are related, since zebra has a much different mindset today than she did Day 1.

I'll just repost it with the EBWOP.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch zebra today. Twice, she intentionally put DrWilgy in a near hammer situation. I think she would only do such a thing if DrWilgy were a civilian, or a vanilla mafia.

Tin-foil hat time. I think zebra is a power role on the mafia team, and she's trying to make it through the day alive, hence attempting to off DrWilgy.

For what it's worth, Soneji was gone for almost the entirety of last weekend as well.

Still doesn't make me feel better about him at this stage in the game.

EBWOP: I think zebra would only do such a thing, not wouldn't.

I think we should lynch zebra today. Twice, she intentionally put DrWilgy in a near hammer situation. I don't think she would do such a thing if DrWilgy were a civilian, or a vanilla mafia.

Tin-foil hat time. I think zebra is a power role on the mafia team, and she's trying to make it through the day alive, hence attempting to off DrWilgy.

Speaking of which, sig make sure you vote for zebra properly, as in spell her name a2thezebra.

Here are the votes so far today, as well as the hammer situations.

Metalmarsh89 votes a2thezebra - Link
ika votes sig - Link
Soneji votes Scotty - Link
Scotty votes sig - Link
Golden votes DrWilgy - Link
a2thezebra votes sig - Link
Metalmarsh89 unvotes - Link
MovingPictures07 votes DrWilgy - Link
Scotty votes DrWilgy - Link
DrWilgy votes Scotty - Link
a2thezebra votes Scotty - Link
a2thezebra votes DrWilgy - Link

• DrWilgy is at hammer -1

MovingPictures07 unvotes - Link
a2thezebra votes Scotty - Link
MovingPicture07 votes DrWilgy - Link
a2thezebra votes DrWilgy - Link

• DrWilgy is at hammer -1

MovingPictures07 unvotes - Link
a2thezebra votes Scotty - Link
DrWilgy votes sig - Link
DrWilgy votes ika - Link
MovingPictures07 votes a2thezebra - Link
a2thezebra votes DrWilgy - Link
Golden votes a2thezebra - Link
DrWilgy votes Scotty - Link

Scotty wrote:I glanced through MP's exhaustive (whew you outdo yourself sometimes, sock) and I found myself agreeing with most everything said.
In regards to MM, I do feel like he has flown under the radar.

Well no that's hefty accusation, considering I was a top lynch candidate on Days 1 and 2, and am the third-highest poster in the thread. Under the radar indeed.

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Summary

- MM failed to take a hard stance on IAWY throughout all of d1 and d2. MM places IAWY in the null placement of both of his rainbow lists.

- For d1, MM stayed mostly silent about IAWY, but he did at least commit a soft defense in systematically dismissing the d1 IAWY wagon formation on a couple of occasions.

- MM interacts a fair amount with IAWY on d2, but doesn't seem to use any of it to form any read of him, which is the strongest point against him. I think this is relatively indicative of a teammate relationship; if it were true, it means that a teammate MM avoided taking any stance on bussing or hard defending IAWY, which is perhaps the most common teammate treatment in early game stages from my experience.


Conclusion

I would call MM's interactions with IAWY teammate compatible, and further, I'm willing to call them potentially teammate indicative.

What do you think?

I do have a couple comments about my Day 1 behavior.

I've explained it to a couple of people already. Since I was also a leading lynch candidate on Day 1, I was using my vote to keep myself out of the lead, and encouraging others to do the same. The less votes being moved around at EoD, the less risky it would be for me.

So now that you don't have votes on you to stress you out, where are you leaning to vote?

Zebra and DrWilgy are my top two candidates, though I haven't decided which one yet. Given the current situation, I would vote zebra so as not to create a tie.

Golden wrote:I am here, patchouli.

Fixed.

Oh good, no hammer yet.

Time to catch up.

Oh wait, that's only one comment.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Summary

- MM failed to take a hard stance on IAWY throughout all of d1 and d2. MM places IAWY in the null placement of both of his rainbow lists.

- For d1, MM stayed mostly silent about IAWY, but he did at least commit a soft defense in systematically dismissing the d1 IAWY wagon formation on a couple of occasions.

- MM interacts a fair amount with IAWY on d2, but doesn't seem to use any of it to form any read of him, which is the strongest point against him. I think this is relatively indicative of a teammate relationship; if it were true, it means that a teammate MM avoided taking any stance on bussing or hard defending IAWY, which is perhaps the most common teammate treatment in early game stages from my experience.


Conclusion

I would call MM's interactions with IAWY teammate compatible, and further, I'm willing to call them potentially teammate indicative.

What do you think?

I do have a couple comments about my Day 1 behavior.

I've explained it to a couple of people already. Since I was also a leading lynch candidate on Day 1, I was using my vote to keep myself out of the lead, and encouraging others to do the same. The less votes being moved around at EoD, the less risky it would be for me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Drunk mafia tonight?

I don't think I'm drunk enough yet. :P

But I do think that the fact that DrWilgy wasn't hammered earlier today means there's a decent chance he is scum.

Well, me neither, I just started my first drink.

I hope it's an espresso stout. Then you can be drunk and awake while you're browsing doing those ISOs.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Drunk mafia tonight?

I don't think I'm drunk enough yet. :P

But I do think that the fact that DrWilgy wasn't hammered earlier today means there's a decent chance he is scum.

What if I vote in the poll but don't post it in the thread? Then it's not a legal vote.

Somebody would probably try to hammer on it, but that's kind of underhanded to get them to do that I think.

He's a kiwi I'm pretty certain.

ika wrote:

Golden wrote:

ika wrote:why the hell do you think i refuse to change? nobody has yet to come out with a "oh they are cleard cus role" nor has anyone ever given me anything to disprove them killing off silver n1 for her accuracy

Because you are stubborn.

hi pot im kettle, we are both black

Well this is also true.

ika wrote:oh and as a bonus, lets add in condescending.

like goldn tell me how this is town!mp at all?

How is tunneling and provoking another player town behavior?

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:Oh. Why are we having a 60 hour day?

Thats actually really annoying lol.

It's the weekend; that's how the games went last year even in 36/12 games. Weekends were 60/12.

In that case, I've changed my mind. I want to drop a hammer. I don't want to hang around an extra 24 hours lol.

I was relying on not having to contribute for the next 12 hours, so I'll probably do my best not to.

I refuse to allow it.

Why would the civilians want to give mafia 36 hours to discuss their actions going forward instead of giving us that 24 window. That's ludicrous!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I've gotten sidetracked and not really started the MM interaction yet. I still hope to get the rest of these done tonight, but we'll see.

This is probably the highest density of on-topic material I've had in a game ever.

So hopefully you won't bash your head through too many walls reading it.

sig wrote:Bet's about sig are not essential to the game, what am I something to bet on hmph.

You're nothing but a smashcoin to me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Marmot, you're next with interactions. How about you just tell us all now if you're IAWY's teammate?

:P

To make it easier, you can just skip all of my posts before Sunday. I know you had like 250 posts by that time.