The Syndicate

FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:42 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:20 am Oh also NVN. I didn't actually curse you, I was redirected. It was good you messed it up because then whoever redirected it would have known instantly it was me.

FZ I understand, I enjoy playing with you. I only said that at the end because I want to be clear I don't fake emotional outbursts or whatever. It was probably misunderstanding what you meant. You are cool.
I'm glad we're okay. I don't doubt people when they tell me they had a shitty day and are not in the mood to play, because just like you, I try not to use personal life as an excuse.

I was Chava, the cop. The first night, I checked LC because something there felt off, but it was really a lucky hunch. Then, I spent most of the time trying to think of ways to not look like I was the cop and still get people to follow me. That is one hard job...I was sure the baddies were on to me and would kill me.

Next, I checked Wilgy, who turned out to be Golde. He had barely posted so I had almost nothing to "base" my opinions on. I started making things up. It's a good thing Epi did his shtick, because that was helpful for Wilgy.
The next night I was blocked, and the one after that I checked Marmot and got Tzeitel. Once again I had to fabricate evidence for you guys to follow me and not lynch him. I have no idea why Marmot did the things he did, or if he was indeed cursed the last day before I died. I just didn't know how to get you to listen. I'm glad JJJ finally understood.

The funny thing is, I checked Daisy the night before my last one, and DF didn't give me an answer. So I started out by wanting to lynch her anyway, but my back and forth with JJJ lead to me saying that the only person I'd consider switching to is NVN (Should have let him get lynched, I'd still be alive...), but I ended up keeping it on Daisy. But just when I was going to sleep, DF got back to me and said Daisy was actually this guy, so I had to stay up to make sure JJJ went back to Daisy. If you were wondering why I suddenly became so sure of myself, that's the reason

I was never cursed. I just had an awful game and responded poorly to a few posts that aggravated me.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:05 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:00 am @DFaraday So did I win lol ?

Congratulations to Town. And thanks for hosting mate.
Marmot is Tzeitel, and she survived, so no.

I'm sorry nova. Y'all should have lynched me the trillion times I asked.

That didn't take long.

Punish me next Daisy.

Or Guy.

Or whomever does punishing type things.

Doesn't really matter, but I will love my vote to the Dais.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:19 pm Are we not flipping Marmot first?

JJJ, will you kindly get me a cliff not version of the last couple of days? =p

Follow me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:59 am
FZ. wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:47 am Are you kidding me.

I actually just slapped my own face so hard that it physically hurt.

Lynch the guy that conceded. Lynch the guy that is begging to be relieved of this game ASAP because he knows he can’t win.
Well, right now, I'm pretty sure Marmot had a purpose and is not just begging to be relived of this game. I expect more from you. I can't be sure you are the baddie, but I'm starting to be sure Marmot isn't it either.
This was Epi’s last joke.

Marmot got it.

He knows he’s not surviving the game. He doesn’t care to drag it out. Epignosis jokingly threatened to drag it out. Marmot doesn’t want that.

Even if he is being a terrible civilian and wants to be revealed as a lynch survivor, that would need to e revealed before LyLo. A failed lynch at endgame is a loss.

We already had a failed night kill. “Survives the first attempt on their life” could have been expended then.

You misunderstand me.

Epignosis swung the lynch off of me (or rather nova I guess) Day 4. I thought he was jokingly saying he was going to do the same thing tomorrow.

I didn't realize he meant that there'd be multiple nights.

Haha.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:45 pm Not tomorrow though, right?

I'd prefer tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:38 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:45 am I'm a decent chance to be lynched tomorrow. So I do think it's important to get my thoughts in the thread.

I'm glad Epignosis pulled his little stunt. He managed to clear possibly two players without losing anyone.
You don't sound glad.

Well then fucking lynch me so I can sound dead.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:36 pm Epi
3
19%

Voters: Spacedaisy, novaselinenever, Sloonei

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:36 pm Marmot
0
No votes

Voters: None

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:36 pm NVN
3
19%

Voters: DrWilgy, Marmot, FZ.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:36 pm Wilgy
5
31%

Voters: Epignosis, JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, Kylemii, Dyslexicon

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:18 pm I'd take that assertion and toss it in the trash with every other accusation I've seen this game.

I asked to be lynched today. Epignosis instead pulled some wild maneuver that stopped that from happening. So don't give me this crap about what you think I did last night when you wasted that opportunity.
I know you said you've already told us why you read Mac as a civilian now. I looked back at your recent posts and it wasn't clear, so could you please expand or summarize again?

My point about Mac (and Dizzy) was that I thought that they responded naturally to Epignosis's stunt.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:09 pm I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.
Lol ok
What if I were to tell you that I suspect you killed nutella and are now engaging in tinfoil salad because you wish to undermine the POE process which has you stuck in the crosshairs?
I'd take that assertion and toss it in the trash with every other accusation I've seen this game.

I asked to be lynched today. Epignosis instead pulled some wild maneuver that stopped that from happening. So don't give me this crap about what you think I did last night when you wasted that opportunity.
What do you think was the purpose of my "wild maneuver?"

I'd like anyone else to answer too.

I already stated what I think, as an accordance with what Jay said.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:09 pm I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.
Lol ok
What if I were to tell you that I suspect you killed nutella and are now engaging in tinfoil salad because you wish to undermine the POE process which has you stuck in the crosshairs?

I'd take that assertion and toss it in the trash with every other accusation I've seen this game.

I asked to be lynched today. Epignosis instead pulled some wild maneuver that stopped that from happening. So don't give me this crap about what you think I did last night when you wasted that opportunity.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:09 pm I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.

Lol ok

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:45 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:26 pm @Marmot

What is your read on MacDougall?
Stubborn civilian.
Lol stubborn because I still think you are bad? Most of the players think you are bad.

What's your point?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:26 pm @Marmot

What is your read on MacDougall?
Stubborn civilian.
Why were you voting him up then ?

Because I used to think otherwise.

I've stated already why I changed my mind on MacDougall.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:26 pm @Marmot

What is your read on MacDougall?

Stubborn civilian.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:05 am Just left a date.

On my phone.

What in the world is happening?

This one.

You did respond to it after the day ended. Sort of.

I'm a decent chance to be lynched tomorrow. So I do think it's important to get my thoughts in the thread.

I'm glad Epignosis pulled his little stunt. He managed to clear possibly two players without losing anyone.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:31 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:28 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:21 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:16 am General observation. Sloonei seemed the most nervous of any player at the end of that day phase.

Spacedaisy didn't have much to say either.

Those two players along with nova are Priority 0.
What?
Just offering thoughts as I go.
we only have one scum left. How does that correspond with your trio of suspects? Also where is my alleged nervousness, what woukd I have to be nervous about, and why would that make me bad?

Since when do people limit their suspect pool to the number of players left on the mafia team?

Just from reading the Eod, I noticed a few things. Mac and Dizzy, despite some trepidation, were on board with trusting Epignosis. Their play was light but conveyed excitement in what Epignosis was doing. Jay seemed to understand what was going on (surprise, surprise) and bothered to explain it, and also explain why nova should be cleared. Kyle falls into the same boat as Mac and Dizzy.

Of the players posting in the last 30 minutes of the day, you were the only one who didn't bother responding to my question. Instead after the day ended, you flung some light (and/or joking) accusations my way. Again, I think this lends itself to you being nervous about what's going on.

Wilgy is obviously town.

I don't have a read on FZ. at the moment.

So that leaves you and Spacedaisy. I know I listed nova originally, but that's before Jay revealed what Epignosis was really up to.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:21 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:16 am General observation. Sloonei seemed the most nervous of any player at the end of that day phase.

Spacedaisy didn't have much to say either.

Those two players along with nova are Priority 0.
What?

Just offering thoughts as I go.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:34 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:29 am can we talk about why NVN was ruled out now?
My reason is reliant upon a theory. I could share the theory if Epignosis indicates there is no reason I shouldn't.
Say what you will.
The only rationale I can come up with to justify Epignosis calling for votes on himself is that This Guy issued a punishment calling for him to receive vote(s) or else something. Epignosis asked novaselinenever to vote for him, and he was willing to do so with a shrug -- it looked like he had no clue why he was being asked to do that. If the theory about This Guy is anywhere close to accurate, then the person who ordered the punishment is going to know why Epignosis is collecting votes on himself.

It can be faked, it didn't look faked.

It's also possible this is all incorrect.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooh. That makes sense.

Of course this happens on the one day phase where I can only pop in in the final 15 minutes and not know what's going on.

I'm your new fall-guy Epignosis.

But then of course I have these tinfoil reads on Epignosis and Jay, so

General observation. Sloonei seemed the most nervous of any player at the end of that day phase.

Spacedaisy didn't have much to say either.

Those two players along with nova are Priority 0.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:31 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:30 am Epi, how awful would it be if someone else also moved to Wilgy?
And why are we voting Wilgy? o.o
Why are you asking me these questions?

Isn't the poll enough? There are no vote manipulations. Why do you care so much about who votes where?

Au contraire my dear friend.

I'm starting to get the impression that my hopping on 15 minutes before the deadline is coming back to bite me. Except that the only reason I did hop back online is because I saw some crazy shit happening in the polls.

I asked what the hell was going on.

Epignosis, a man with three votes, tells me to vote DrWilgy if I'm a civilian.

Dizzy says they doesn't like my timing, tells me to vote Wilgy, then calls me mafia.

Dizzy asked for an explanation on why not to lynch Wilgy.

Epignosis says I'm mafia if I vote nova.

Jay said no one was trying to lynch Epignosis.

DrWilgy looked drunk.

Sloonei was around but didn't respond at all.

I was willing to move my vote given some sort of explanation. I didn't get anything convincing at all. Just orders. So I didn't move my vote.

Anyway, back to catching up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:44 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:28 am I told you to lynch me today. Don't keep me alive just so you can continue to talk about lynching me tomorrow.
Then who

You'll still be around then right? Who'll you lynch next?

I've got 7 more pages to read. I imagine it's interesting.

I told you to lynch me today. Don't keep me alive just so you can continue to talk about lynching me tomorrow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 25, 2018 1:28 am Either civilian or non-hostile independent. Oh well. On to Marmot.

I'm literally sitting at a gas station and decided to check in.

I'll be home in a bit, so I'll take the time to catch up then.

Sorry, not seeing anything convincing atm. Leaving my vote.

I'll listen to someone without votes and who doesn't hate my timing lol.

Just left a date.

On my phone.

What in the world is happening?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:00 pm I don't know what you mean. What read? What is the same thing happening? Eh?

Exactly what you just said! PoE reads.

Anyway, I've got a 1:00 meeting. and I likely won't be on after that. Good luck civilians!!!

It's easier for every player to stay consistent with that read, because they can look around at every other player in the game, and see the same thing happening. Thus, anything I say will fall on deaf ears.

I won't let that happen.

Lol ok

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:06 pm Right now, you're not even defending yourself as a Townie. You're accepting my read on you as a 3rd Party, just not the read that have you as Mafia.

I don't know how dangerous the third party is or see any problem with being read that way.

You should get that checked out FZ.

FZ. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:59 pm Is Marmot the kind of player that would vote a team mate without a problem?

I most definitely would.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:52 pm This was the first post he addressed to the NVN situation:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:07 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:00 pm Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.
Just clearing my name. Sloonei asked to hear from me, I delivered. But it's all I have so far.
For some reason I believe this. I'm gullible.
I feel similarly.

A follow-up from Long Con would help this read.

This was the second:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:29 pm But actually real talk why is Nova voting LC? See, I thought Nova was our info role, but I had also considered the possibility that he's LC's teammate trying some hardcore bussing strategy. That would be pretty wild and daring but like... if he knows LC is bad why isn't he voting for LC? Does he think the 3p is a bigger threat at the moment?
I've voting novacaine for this same reason.

If I'm a third party, why vote for me?
I thought perhaps something had changed in the conversation around NVN during that time, but nothing did. In fact it doesn't seem to have been discussed aside from the one post from nutella that he quoted. The only thing of note aside from that post that changed was Jay's "oopsie" vote for Marmot.

Interestingly, he does try to undermine the PoE by shaking at the people getting universal town reads too.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:33 pm But I've got a solid gut feeling that one of the more perceptive players in this game is the other mafia member. In that shortlist, I would include MacDougall, Jay, and Sloonei.
Any idea what gives you that vibe?
Your oopsie.
And then this:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:38 pm Wondering if the mafia team is just LC and NVN and this is that easy.
Here have a vote.

Why is that easy? Why would nova come into the thread, suggest info on his teammate, and vote for someone he think is independent?
But he came in today with a confident assertion that NVN is bad. It just worries me that I've misread him.

linki @JaggedJimmyJay I have never seen him or anyone make the assertion NVN was forced to make a case against Marmot.

I'm allowed to change my mind for crying out loud.

I could have continued to be a stubborn fool and voted Mac, and you probably wouldn't care.

I took a step back and realized that I just might be wrong. It was more evident when two mafia were lynched consecutively and I had nothing to do with it.

And yesterday, I stated my observation on nova. I waited around for a response from him. Or Long Con. I didn't hear anything more so I put my vote there. Even if his vote did occur before mine, it doesn't make much sense for a vote.

I won't really be around the rest of the day, but hey at least I got my wish in getting lynched.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:43 pm I have him as the last Mafia. He was going back and forth with Mac and had his vote on him but when I voted him last day phase, he jumped the wagon on me. He dropped his case against Mac. He's probably seeing me as an easy way to get a mislynch.

That's not true. You had me as a 3P read,

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Then I voted for you,

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I had not dropped the Mac case, I even discussed it ~10 minutes before my vote for you.

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And then your first mafia read of me, and a vote, came later on.

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Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:30 pm I am concerned. I just went back and looked over Marmot and yesterday he was hard after Mac for a while, but then when NVN started his silliness he changed gears not immediately but slowly, since then he has pretty much abandoned Mac, with little mention and no indication he had changed his mind that I could see. At first he seemed inclined to dismiss what NVN said. But it seemed he took it more seriously as it became more talked about. Then he comes in today and makes an assertion I have never seen before from him. It worries me that I might be wrong about him being 3P and he's riding the wave of anti-NVN sentiment.

@Marmot Have you changed your opinion of Mac? I take it you believe LC vs. NVN yesterday was late distancing?

Yes and yes.

I admit that I've probably stubbornly pursued Mac in hopes of being right.

There's only one mafia left. I think it's more likely nova than Mac.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:09 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:04 pm I think nova is clearly the final mafia.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:46 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:42 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:36 am

She's dead.
And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.
Who might that be ?
U
Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.
In this post, he claimed to exhibit a pattern of behavior yesterday. That pattern seems to be being forced to make a case and vote for me.

Nova is still voting for me today. That means he thinks that I forced him to make a case on and vote for me yesterday. I don't think he believes that happened. I think he self-inflicted that punishment.
That post from nova threw me off for sure. I'd been at work all day and I came in with that half-hearted jab, and his response was to imply there was some vindicating truth about him in the thread. I wondered if maybe I'd missed something. Now that I've been here and had time to look at things, I'm no closer to understanding what he was talking about.

After suggesting that Long Con was mafia he made a case and voted for me.

I imagine one of those two behaviors are what he is pointing at.

Also of note, nova had 4 posts before Day 3, 20 posts on Day 3, and 0 posts since then. My inclination is that this was a last ditch effort to save Long Con and the mafia team.

I think nova is clearly the final mafia.

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In this post, he claimed to exhibit a pattern of behavior yesterday. That pattern seems to be being forced to make a case and vote for me.

Nova is still voting for me today. That means he thinks that I forced him to make a case on and vote for me yesterday. I don't think he believes that happened. I think he self-inflicted that punishment.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:21 pm "These are my suspects. I want them to lynch other while I kick back and sit some tea."

Thanks but no thanks.
Who do you think it is?

Putin's Roof.

"These are my suspects. I want them to lynch other while I kick back and sit some tea."

Thanks but no thanks.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:00 am I propose that we all shut up for Day 4 and make the POE suspects (NVN, Daisy, Marmot, & Wilgy) figure it out on their own.

I propose the lynch of Sloonei for this ridiculous strategy.

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