The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:54 pm shoulda hammered myself and we would have won

Honestly yeah

How many people fulfilled the bizarre roles they were given? Mine was

"that time in a video mafia game I hammered the un-CCed vig at endgame cause he said he was 100% always going to shoot me that night"


which I sorta did to Made, but not quite.

Town is 3 for 3 on the year. Go town!

How does a parity cop work with only one peek? Was Mac just never going to get another peek?

Oh wow we did it! I'm still amazed!!!

Sorry for almost blowing it

Also, LC and chard did have a chance to last-second switch to TSP and didn't. These are arguments that they are town.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:36 pm The only person who's truly cleared in my mind is Marmot, it's easy to imagine Speed or LC missing an opportunity to win, especially given that it was 3/2 char speed and 3/2 char LC at various points in the last few minutes. Everyone who wasn't marmot had at least 2 votes on them in the last 5 minutes

Chard didn't appear to be around though to be able to come drop a hammer on anyone.


I dunno, I do think you're the most likely partner. On one hand, you did entertain the notion of chard/chuck all day, and even put chard before chuck in that preference every time. But counterpoint to that, you were the main wagon all day, so it might've spewed you as a non-partner if you flipped mafia there.

Ok, I'm glad I did the work to look into chardonnay, even if I didn't actually vote there.

I'm also really glad that I didn't just hammer TSP when I had the chance. If this doesn't officially clear me, I don't know what does. Regardless, I'm sure I'm getting NK'd anyway.


I hope that I was right in that LC is the partner here. My primary reasons for suspecting TSP/speedchuck was their handling of each other. That said, I don't think this cfd makes sense for either speedchuck or Long Con to do as partners, or at least, it makes more sense for TSP to bus a teammate over himself than it does for a speedchuck or Long Con to swap from a civilian to a teammate.

...

I don't know if this makes me look good or bad, but good work everyone and thanks for not listening to me LC.

I'll stop talking now and let the host resolve.

I just think that TSP and chucks jump to chard at the last moment looked opportunistic

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:02 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:00 pm chard should have cared enough to be here

I dunno if that's the problem

it's a problem for him because he got yeeted.

I hope it's not a problem for the town.

I meant that being in thread at EOD isn't always a viable option.

Our bastard host should've cared enough to be here too

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:02 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:00 pm chard should have cared enough to be here

I dunno if that's the problem

it's a problem for him because he got yeeted.

I hope it's not a problem for the town.

I meant that being in thread at EOD isn't always a viable option.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:00 pm I should've just shut up

why?

I just meant bringing up the points about chard and you. If I hadn't this chaos wouldn't have ensued

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:00 pm chard should have cared enough to be here

I dunno if that's the problem

I should've just shut up

jfc

LC NOW!!

This is awful, it's TSPchuck

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

chard isn't even here!!!!@!@!!!@!!

chard isn't even here!!!!@!@!!!@!!

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:55 pm no don't vote for me

[VOTE: chuck] aubergine

but whyyyyyyyyyy

This CFD isn't looking too great....

My vote's been on him all day

My success rate in LYLO is abysmal, and the knowledge of that is not helping me right now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:55 pm no don't vote for me

[VOTE: chuck] aubergine

but whyyyyyyyyyy

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine I'm commiting to this one. I have a slight preference for chuck, but this'll do

Objectively, I do still think the TSP/speedchuck interactions on Day 1-2 still look worse

chard not going back to iso LC is something that's very easy for a civilian with a blindspot to do

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:38 pm I know nothing meta-wise about chard. The above is more of a case than I've seen on TSP, but question is, do you have anything other than possible LC alignment?

I know I laid my LC skeevyness out, but is there anything incriminating directly on Char?

I haven't said much today, but I laid out my reasons for suspecting you too yesterday.

But I'm also scratching my head, because I'm almost certainly voting for one of you two today, so I dunno why Martin would have been killed over me last night. LC/chard on the other hand, know that I'm voting one of you too today, so they take Martin off the table instead.

Sorry for doing this with under an hour.

Does anyone have a chard rand mafia game I can look at?

Those are their Day 1 and 2 interactions (or at least from chard's side). Especially those first four:

"Im not interested in LC atm b/c he adores living in PoE as both alignments."

"Also LC i need to look at."

"Ill lookit LC tomorrow."

"LC is an outlier i havent really thought about yet.


TSP and chuck, I see you're both here. Thoughts on this?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:25 pm @Martiangg99 consolidate onto marmot please?

I could also support TSP/Esoopa

Im not interested in LC atm b/c he adores living in PoE as both alignments.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:48 am The fact that Martian has arguably the most WIM left of the living roster I'm not even going to bother to reconsider the TR I've developed there. If i get stuck in a elo/melo situation with Martian then I will review his slot more seriously.

I could make a similar argument for Made, but I kinda forgot why i was TRing him, oof.

Also LC i need to look at.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:07 am Oh yeah, Made exudes town looking paranoia several times this game. Expressing concerns over things that I dont think mafia would be comfortable asserting. Like the "Maybe mod OP is lie, and ties aren't mafia kill choice" line.

I think tonally he looks town over all I'd say.

-/-/-/-

Ill lookit LC tomorrow.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 8:56 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:42 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:42 pm I mean this is an awfully charitable explanation

Sure.

Do you think there's a better explanation for it?

I’m up to three. Char what do you think of Marmot right now

Im not town reading him, but i think there is circumstancal evidence for town him. The EoD esoona flip + mac death really gives me the willies that marmot is town, and was set-up to be pushed today.

I'd probably say if marmot is town then scum is you/speed. LC is an outlier i havent really thought about yet.

also im still catching up atm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:06 pm Martin confirmed mafia goon.

Naw, if Martian were mafia goon he'd be too gunshy to out scummy flavor text as scum.

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Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:51 pm
Can anyone recall who had 3 votes early on? Was it speedchuck or martin? Someone moved their vote when I mentioned that hammer was 5, but I recall someone had 3 very early today.

That was the speedChuck wagon composed of you/martin/Longcon

I have yet to vote today.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:34 pm Ughh, maybe i am just wrong on Made like straight up.

-/-/-/-

@Long Con I think you have a tendency to SR any kind of AtE correct?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:22 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:44 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 9:49 pm I was under the impression that Martian response's impacted you badly, because in part, he was AtEing. Tho it was Martin who specify mentioned that he was AtEing out of frustration. Maybe you didn't perceive it that way at all.

Sorry, if i keep making incorrect assumptions about how you play. Thats a bad habit of mine w/ regaruds to players i have minor to moderate exp with.

How do you feel about Made's vote on Martin when he thought it was EoD now? I also thought it was curious, but wasnt sure if there was info there to break down.

It's a little sketchy. Maybe Martin is town and Made is not. He agreed with me maybe too easily on Martin, especially when I think most other players disagree with my points on him.

hmm, thanks

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:04 am i think that LC, and Martian are more town looking then Speed, and Tony.

im not sure what else i have to say atm, will probably have to reconsider somethings tomarrow.

ngl, this makes me feel pretty bad about LC/chard.

@Long Con did you ever claim your role flavor?

But you're right, I'm almost certainly not baking LC today.


I do suddenly have a tinfoil that LC/chard are the actual team, as they've voted together every day now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:04 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:58 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:22 pm I will get to that when I finish my long con case post

I read your case, but you didn't talk about anyone else, just LC.

Ended up waffling too much and forgot.

Doesn't really matter. If LC is scum, this game is all but over. I can't see myself convincing you or anyone else (or myself) to pull out the big guns and lay the votes down.

Another reason I voted TSP. I don't think I can sway things at this point (except maybe onto myself) and that makes TSP a necessary gamble to take.

I mean it does matter. If LC is scum, and he's the only one, we get another day. If he's scum and has a partner, baking that partner is an option too.

Remember when Mac was in this game?

But yes, there is a world where TSP is actually town here, but even so, I don't see town-chuck making this vote.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:00 pm You don't seem to have much belief in TSP being scum, which in a LYLO situation doesn't make sense for you to vote there. Or at least I can't think of one.

You are suggesting a Speed = scum and TSP = town situation here?

No, I think speedchuck is just bussing his partner.


I think speedchuck and TSP each individually have the highest equity of being mafia, and their interactions just make it feel worse.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:00 pm You don't seem to have much belief in TSP being scum, which in a LYLO situation doesn't make sense for you to vote there. Or at least I can't think of one.

This is @speedchuck

You don't seem to have much belief in TSP being scum, which in a LYLO situation doesn't make sense for you to vote there. Or at least I can't think of one.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:22 pm I will get to that when I finish my long con case post

I read your case, but you didn't talk about anyone else, just LC.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:46 pm Pretty sure I can't be aligned with anyone except for TSP.

LC and and chard voted for me on Day 1, and the current vote count would guarantee that speedchuk and I aren't partners.

I guess one could make an argument that I was being bussed, but I don't think there's a strong argument there. A 2-person mafia team probably doesn't want to lose one of their teammates D1.

That leaves

Marmot/TSP

LC/chard
LC/speedchuck
LC/TSP

chard/speedchuck
chard/TSP

speedchuck/TSP


Any of these we can rule out?

Pretty sure I can't be aligned with anyone except for TSP.

LC and and chard voted for me on Day 1, and the current vote count would guarantee that speedchuk and I aren't partners.

Omg guys, I thought hammer was {__insertsomenumberthatisnot3__}.

Derpclear me plz.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:15 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

(I am willing to switch to TSP right now and end this day but I want to weigh this option)

I'll entertain this notion, who's Long Con's partner in this case?

I do think it's speedchuck and TSP. I think speedchuck has higher potential which is why I haven't parked a vote on TSP yet.

speedchuck and I are not partners

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:05 am So! How is Tony still alive?

If he were town, he would be dead, game over, wolf win. Right? There's no reason to prolong anything this long.

So he can't be town.

Is Chardonnay his partner? Yes. Chardonnay is trying to do some damage control by being the next vote on Tony. Speedchuck and Marmot are unsure about things, thus they have not voted. Chardonnay knows that Tony's likely going down, and wants to look good about it.

I don't see any reason for the wolves to mess around when they could just win.

Let's finish this attention-starved game.

I think the only argument that he's not town is that it's not me and speedchuck. Technically you and/or chard could be wolves

@speedchuck you haven't voted yet, do you have any reads you want to share?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:25 pm it's a derpclear in the sense that if he thought it was 3 and were a wolf he would have acted on it, no?

What do you mean? What would he have done if it's 3?

Answer my question @TonyStarkPrime.