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Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.
All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".
Category 1: Useless FluffThese posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.Spoiler: show
I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.
Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons
Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".Spoiler: show
Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.
Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.
Category 3: Flame FanningLinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.Spoiler: show
At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.
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Please vote Creature.
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:58 pmI think I played plenty. It's just that anyone who plays with me tend to wolfread me at first until they don't.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:56 pm TBH has Creature played like more than three games with Alison
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:51 pmI would not characterize LP as lacking logic. Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:42 pmi've played with linear before and they were nothing like this (as V/V... or i was 3P idr but i was playing like V and they were V)hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:41 pmthat's fine to not like the vibe I just don't understand how you're so hung up on the role itself. Like alexa straight up said it's not RC and straight up said her info may not be alignment indicative. Whether or not you buy into that is up to you, but your dogged pursuit of it has me thinking "Linear is a wolf and latched onto this as a thing they can push" instead of "Linear is town and trying to understand how alexa says the things she says, and how nutella replies the way they did"LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:38 pmOK Neeko may have jumped to conclusions assuming Alexa was a Mafia Rolecop.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 pmhow do you arrive at that conclusion?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:26 pmA bit late to the party no?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pm why is linear so hung up on alexa being N0 Rolecop specifically? At this point it feels like fishing for alexa to out what she actually is.
[VOTE: Linear] aubergine
And Neeko cares not for the name of Alexa's role.
Alexa said they peaked Nutella's role was not one that would be Town and Nutella confirmed that.
That's all that matters, and that is a rolecop which is likely Mafia.
Neeko has since realized there may be a few other more townie roles they could be.
Still though Neeko doesn't like the vibe, but whatever not like anyone cares.
which is why i think their lack of logic irt this makes them a wolf
I think their logic is flawed, but it is there.
afaik, Neeko in LoL talks in 3rd person.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:49 pmNeeko wanted to try something new. Best not to read into it.
