The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:

Ricochet wrote: In what can only be described as a very ironic post-scriptum, considering all I've posted this morning, I would actually attempt to limit my time here to the absolute minimum until I pass my IELTS test on Saturday morning. That's N8 and the first day of D9. Thanks for understanding.

Results came in. 8.0 overall. Though only a 7 in Writing and 7.5 in Speaking. Listening and Reading are borderline banal tests, so there's not much satisfaction in the fact that getting higher grades there compensated.

Also, congrats to TH for joining the Mods of the Round Table! Finally someone I can bribe for future wins or preferential modkills.

You gotta sign up for a game to do that. :P

Turnip Head wrote:Thank you for the banners Daisy! It looks beautiful in my sig

Hey, you Rico and I match!

Thanks for the banner Daisy! They are excellent. Just like my latest adventure.

Turnip Head wrote:Sidoh does not care about such trivial matters as Shinigami Eye Deals. He just wants his notebooooooooook.

GIVE ME BACK MY NOTEBOOOOOOOOOK!!!!!!!!

No idea, and that's a very good question.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:How about Fullmetal Alchemist?

You and I know that will be the long-awaited third game in a trio of crazy anime-themed MP (and co-host) games.

Ah, but of course.

Speaking of which, finals are over for me, so I've got time to spare.

How about Fullmetal Alchemist?

boo would be all for lynching those non-participants. :P

@Rico, yeah no kidding. The only real vote Daisy received all game.

zeek wrote:I looked at the player list on D12 and asked myself who I trusted the most... and then voted for that person. It's a testament to the game you played, Daisy, that the only reasoning I had was that Light was probably playing the game of their life.

So yeah. Helluva job Daisy.

Oh shit, BDH is online. I better hide.

bea wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Special shout to my active Film baddie laureates for winning again alongside me,, even if we had no contact, even if TH hunted me. Really glad I helped TH. Oh w8, I missed the vote lol.

And you missed your cue to suicide. We knew who you were, lol, and we did want you to commit suicide at that time.

Linki @DH: A paragraph would do, maybe. Was it something from another player, or just the structure?

An argument could be made that the powers of the mafia were a little much to overcome, especially when two of the more powerful civ roles had to wait so long to use their own powers, but I'm not really too bothered by that, since I got to do a lot of decoding and stuff to keep me busy.

What did bother me was my interactions this game with certain players, that just took the fun out of it for me.

I am truly sorry for my part in that. I attributed things to you that others said and I feel very badly for how I reacted to you DH. Please know that I adore you to death and I hope that you can forgive me for behaving so poorly.

I hope you will forgive me for making fun of you in life and in death. Your death post was entirely my doing, and Daisy and Mata even said it might be too harsh.

Ricochet wrote:So I think I also want to inquire, MP and/or Team Light, what were the mechanics of using the DN and timing a kill with it (I ask this since I was the only DN eligible never to even be made familiair with this) and, to the best of knowledge, what kills were executed, which failed early on and who dunnit it, up until Bass started killing of course.

Let's see if I can recreate this to the best of my knowledge.

Night 1 - Daisy killed Long Con. This kill was to take place just after the Day 2 lynch, to get players thinking, and even worrying when the kill didn't happen normally.
Night 2 - Daisy killed SVS. This kill took place at exactly 2:30 PM EST, because we wanted to share with the thread (and Eloh) that we were paying attention.
Night 3 - Daisy killed boo, and Mata killed FZ. Both kills failed because boo was Rem and FZ was Near. Both kills were intended to happen immediately at the end of Night. We also gained BTSC with Mata that night AND lost Daisy's DN to TH.
Night 4 - Mata killed Aces. This kill we pushed back again just to keep the timing all over the place. We picked Aces because we thought that he was SVS's Penber partner. This was also my first (pretty lame) attempt at adding flavor to the NK.
Night 5 - Mata killed Zomba. This kill was immediate, because at this point we were certain, based on in-thread reads and everything, that Zomba was Naomi Penber. We were rewarded there.
Night 6 - Mata killed Russti - We finally took the Eye Deal, and we checked Russ and Epi. We also finally learned that one player could kill with the other's DN, so Daisy took the deal but killed with Mata's DN since Daisy was immune to lynches at the time. Since Epi wasn't a threat and Russ was Mogi, we sent a kill his way. We timed this one to occur exactly 48 hours after his previous post just to mess with him. The flavor in that NK was all MP's doing. I think...
Night 7 - Daisy killed bea - This time we checked Ricohet and bea. Ricochet was (surprisingly) Mikami, so of course we killed bea. The flavor there was all my doing. Bea showed me that picture when we were chatting via PM sometime, so I thought it would be perfect.
Night 8 - Daisy killed DH - We checked DH and juliets, so of course we attempted to kill the more dangerous role in DH. Unfortunately, he could not be NK'd at the time, after which that secret was revealed in his role. So we used Daisy's DN scrap to check Boomslang and BR during the Day 9 phase. Since Boomslang was Watari, we went ahead and killed him to get him out of the way. That was particularly helpful since llama ended up being lynched the next day.
Night 9 - There was no Night 9. But the Day 9 lynch told us for certain that FZ was Near (since she survived a NK and a lynch).
Night 10 - Bass killed Epi and juliets. Daisy passed both DN's to Higuchi this day, so Bass ended up with both. Boo communicated to us after we lost BTSC in thread that Bass was Higuchi, and aso took care of Mello and Near for us. Bass checked Epi, juliets, zeek, and DP. He killed Epi because he was Yotsuba and juliets because she had was the strongest detective of the three.
Night 11 - Bass killed BR and Rico. Well Bass killed BR because she was Yotsuba and Rico because he was Mikami. Bass also checked myself and Daisy that night, so he killed the only killable role left.
Night 12 - Daisy killed zeek and Mata. And that's game.

Ricochet wrote:Extra votes? Plural? How did one player get more than one?

I'm home, praise the Kami.

TH got an extra vote for each role secret 'secret' he uncovered using four or fewer letters. So he could have gotten a maximum of 12.

Linki: Yeah, insane.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hey TH, why did you vote for llama on Day 10?

Honestly I was just keeping up my pattern of voting early for dumb reasons :P It wasn't a power play at all, we didn't know he was L. I would have used my extra votes to save him that Day actually, but I was stuck at work when the massacre went down and I didn't get a chance to tell MP that I wanted to use my extra votes. I would have lynched Bass or myself in his place.

Wow, that's crazy, especially considering the insight boo just gave that he used his extra votes to kill llama. I was convinced it was you though TH. You had the secret votes, and my reasoning was a pretty sound plan for you guys, or so I thought.

Linki: Yeah, the place would have gone nuts. "burnin' down the house".

Turnip Head wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:It was your secret votes that made me realize I had to drop that note like a hot potato TH.

I really hadn't wanted to make that info public until I had a chance to utilize it, but MP forced us to reveal the rest of the role secrets at the end of the trivia game. I was hoping to reveal it at the end of a lynch and then snipe a Kira out of nowhere. Would have been a lot more fun that way, anyways :P

Hey TH, why did you vote for llama on Day 10?

And as I said before BR. I did not kill you. Bass did.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't think the detectives realize just how close they were to winning. TH could even have set up a foolproof plan with his secret votes to guarentee it. He could have placed a few on each of Daisy, zeek and DP (the three he thought could be Kira), and let the player with the double-votes get lynched. Fortunately for us, that didn't happen. That's also why Mata and I tried to get her lynched, because we knew votes on her were doubled because of the eye deal.

i... didn't even think of that. And yes, the detectives were one or two breaks away from stealing the game from under Kira's noses. I really wanted to try and get Light without him knowing I was onto him, which is why I voted for Zeek but put the extra votes on DP. I briefly thought Daisy was Higuchi but never considered her for Light, she snuck right past me. And after she helped me win I don't know if I would have been able to snipe her with the extra votes anyway, I was appreciative of her wanting to share the win with me.

This game must have been a nightmare to balance but I think MP did a fantastic job with such an experimental premise. Like I said, the detectives almost had it, it really could have gone either way.

I felt bad for DH, he was sitting around twiddling his thumbs all game. I'm glad he had fun with the decoding, that actually was a highlight for me too. He and I spent an entire fucking Saturday decoding all the additional secrets and I was happy to have all the extra votes to try and win the game for the detectives. But once DH and FZ died I kind of lost my drive to keep trying. I still put in some effort but more than anything I just wanted to win myself at that point.

I had so much fun playing this role and I know I will never be able to repeat this performance. Nearly 1000 posts, holy crap, I'll never be able to be that involved in a game again. I found Mello on night 2, my Death Note on Night 3, and got my first lynch on Day 4, so I was basically 75% of the way towards winning by that point. But I didn't want to half ass this great role so I kept playing hard. The Kiras just played harder. They definitely deserved the win, even though it was ridiculously hard to get rid of them.

Great game everyone, this was a classic, one of my all time favorite mafia games, so thank you MP for putting it together and reaching out to me to sign up. I won't miss any future MP games, that's for sure.

The last few days were bizzare. I kept trying to lead you on in various places and couldn't tell if you were following or not. And every time you let something slip or whatever, I couldn't tell if you did it on purpose.

Also, shout out to boo for getting the message to kill DH and FZ. I managed to convey the message and distance us at the same time, I think, and it worked perfectly.

And my blatant message to Mikami to suicide, well I felt like a fool when he didn't listen. But thanks MP for letting me be so blunt in my message. I enjoyed the reactions it garnered.

Matahari wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Who was it?

I'll have to go and see what his name was. Thank you guys for helping me so much during this game. I was so impressed with Daisy's skill at mafia, and MM's and Boo's. MM made me laugh a zillion times, and I didn't even trust him. I thought he had a secret win con with TH. And TH was amazing, holy shit, he was on top of everything all game. I learned something really important, if you take a long break from mafia, never come back and sign up for an MP game. play something easier first.

I didn't get my head wrapped around the game until TH let Llama know that it was time for DH to start killing. That post finally got me invested but, I was already outed.

Golden!!!!!!!! I can't wait to suspect you again

Haha, I totally caught TH on that plan. I called him out on it, and basically told the whole thread what he was up to. I'm surprised more detectives didn't go along with the plan, because lynching L, theoretically, would have been beneficial to them.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also interesting that every Kira made the Eye Deal, Kami included. I would have, too.

I would have made the Eye Deal ASAP, especially knowing you can win if you die.

I told them multiple times they should. They didn't take it until role secrets were revealed so we knew that we needed it.

That was an aspect of the game that I believe benefited the Sympathizers far more than the other players.

Of course it did. It's a double role check to help you decide a kill. Plus it doesn't matter if you have double votes against you- you win if dead.

Oops, I meant the role secrets being revealed, not the Eye Deal.

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Also interesting that every Kira made the Eye Deal, Kami included. I would have, too.

I would have made the Eye Deal ASAP, especially knowing you can win if you die.

I told them multiple times they should. They didn't take it until role secrets were revealed so we knew that we needed it.

That was an aspect of the game that I believe benefited the Sympathizers far more than the other players.

The eye deal was necessary to night-kill Near, Mello, and L.

Of course, none of them were night-killed in a standard sense.

Ricochet wrote:Matsuda dying D1 was something, tho, why on earth did Trice play like that.

Why not? It's totally something I would do.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

zeek wrote:I looked at the player list on D12 and asked myself who I trusted the most... and then voted for that person. It's a testament to the game you played, Daisy, that the only reasoning I had was that Light was probably playing the game of their life.

That is the biggest reason I asked for everyone to vote me. I thought daisy took the eye and I knew she couldn't take anymore votes and I really wanted her to win.

That was the only assumption I could come up with. I would have been surprised if you would try to get Daisy killed after we passed the note to help you (and ourselves) out.

Ricochet wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I was down right angry. I behaved very badly at that point behind the scenes, especially to Alex. I'm surprised he didn't call off our engagement.

Lol but why. Were you aware of my win condition or something or just felt it could tip the game into us losing? I sweated dead more than alive because of zeek's vote and the possibility of another group turning tjis win around.

sorry I didb't suicide at your comnand Kami

Bass killing you almost lost us the game on the last day (not your fault though).

- If zeek, DP, or Mata was lynched, then the game would end and Sympathizers win.

- If Daisy were to be lynched, we would have lost on the spot, and the Detectives would have won.

- If Bass were to be lynched, Daisy would get two NK's, but the game would have continued the next day with 4 players left: Myself, TH, Daisy, and (Mata or a detective). Because Daisy needed Mata dead to win, the game would not have ended. That would be a disaster.

- Similar situation if TH or myself were lynched, but who's going to lynch a Shinigami?


I don't think the detectives realize just how close they were to winning. TH could even have set up a foolproof plan with his secret votes to guarentee it. He could have placed a few on each of Daisy, zeek and DP (the three he thought could be Kira), and let the player with the double-votes get lynched. Fortunately for us, that didn't happen. That's also why Mata and I tried to get her lynched, because we knew votes on her were doubled because of the eye deal.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Linki @Epi: I'm glad llama didn't pick you, because Daisy claimed your role when she went in.

See? Llama is single-handedly responsible for losing this game.

I knew llama had not talked to you at that point in the game, nor would he bring you in under most circumstances. So I thought it was a worthy gamble.

And also it was much easier to guess your win conditions then it would be to try and pass as a detective.

How would Daisy know my role though? There were a few Yotsuba left alive.

She had the eye deal at that point, and you were one of the first ones we checked.

Epignosis wrote:

This was my favorite post of the whole game btw. I'm not sure if it was because Epi knew he was going to be NK'd or because L was lynched, but I could not stop laughing.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Linki @Epi: I'm glad llama didn't pick you, because Daisy claimed your role when she went in.

See? Llama is single-handedly responsible for losing this game.

I knew llama had not talked to you at that point in the game, nor would he bring you in under most circumstances. So I thought it was a worthy gamble.

And also it was much easier to guess your win conditions then it would be to try and pass as a detective.

thellama73 wrote:

Matahari wrote:Llama, I thought you were a female.

When I saw that you thought that, I played it up a bit, trying to write like a woman. The thing I kick myself most for this game was being too revealing with you about who I trusted. It cost me my Mogi and Watari. Big goof on my part.

I reread your interaction with Mata over and over again. (She copied and pasted it of course). When you responded to her roleclaim with "Fantastic!", I was convinced it was you, because only you would say that. But I also thought the rest of your comments sounded more feminine, or at least formal.

Also, your online times didn't match up with when you were in thread. Well-played there.

Linki @Epi: I'm glad llama didn't pick you, because Daisy claimed your role when she went in.

juliets wrote:Which Kira killed me and why? After Epi wrongly asserted I was a yotsuba I weakly denied it and never corrected him again when he said it leaving i was yotsuba, so I just left the thought out there. Someone must have role checked me and found i was detective?

Also Dharma what was that gibberish that epi kept saying was Henry V, Act 2.

That would be Bass who killed you.

And that gibberish was DH coding a section of a Shakespeare play. I'm not really sure what DH was trying to do at that point, lol.

I particularly enjoyed my interactions with TH this game, and now officially consider him my mafia nemesis.

S~V~S wrote:I thought you were bad the whole game. I was writing a vote post voting for you when i was killed. I thought YOU were Light, and MM was who he was.

This game almost cured me of Mafia. Almost. Midday kills=harshest mechanic ever.

Sorry about that, it was Daisy's idea for the midday kill. I liked the idea though. Elohcin made an observation that Kira could have a kill go through at 2:30 PM. So we decided to prove it and kill you at 2:30 PM.

Also, we intentionally killed Russ exactly 48 hours after one of his posts, since he was obviously Mogi.

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I apologize to anyone I may have bothered or offended this game. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play a game as an invincible, outed baddie, and I just wanted to take full advantage of it.

Linki @llama: We knew who you were before you admitted to Daisy in BTSC. I'm so proud of her for playing that so well. That was easily the most crucial point in the game for us.

By the time I got to Daisy, I was desperate. I knew I had basically no chance of winning at that point. Otherwise I would have been more cautious. But she was incredibly convincing. Great game, Daisy.

It was such a strange situation of me trying to prevent the other detectives from lynching you.

AceofSpaces wrote:Good game everyone! I really enjoyed it as my first game back in a long time. I know you probably wont believe me, but I actually had a lot of my fellow Y-Groupies pegged pretty early on. Epi was the easiest to figure out.

I think MP did a great job capturing the essence of the show in this game. My only regret is that I didn't last long enough to fully use my role.

P.S Who killed me?

I promoted your kill.

When we killed SVS, I reread and made a list of every player who I thought could be her BTSC partner. You were number 1 on the list. Zomba was Number 2.

I apologize to anyone I may have bothered or offended this game. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play a game as an invincible, outed baddie, and I just wanted to take full advantage of it.

Linki @llama: We knew who you were before you admitted to Daisy in BTSC. I'm so proud of her for playing that so well. That was easily the most crucial point in the game for us.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Special shout to my active Film baddie laureates for winning again alongside me,, even if we had no contact, even if TH hunted me. Really glad I helped TH. Oh w8, I missed the vote lol.

And you missed your cue to suicide. We knew who you were, lol, and we did want you to commit suicide at that time.

Linki @DH: A paragraph would do, maybe. Was it something from another player, or just the structure?

An argument could be made that the powers of the mafia were a little much to overcome, especially when two of the more powerful civ roles had to wait so long to use their own powers, but I'm not really too bothered by that, since I got to do a lot of decoding and stuff to keep me busy.

What did bother me was my interactions this game with certain players, that just took the fun out of it for me.

I see what you mean. Even though there were tipping points, we felt very much in control the whole game. It probably didn't help you all that you had two outed non-civvies running around tearing up the place.

But as I just pointed out, things can change like that in a heartbeat. Momentum took a huge swing when L, Near, and Mello were all killed in an instant. But things shifted back again on the very last day when Daisy was the last Kira. The detectives had every chance to make it their game at that point, but they were just ready for the game to end. There were certainly several factors there, such as some other people pushing for the game to end, or the afore-mentioned mass-killing of detectives as a psychological factor.

For the record detectives, I think TH had the chance to win it for you on the last day. If he had directed any secret votes he had left at Daisy, she would have been lynched and the detectives would have won.

Ricochet wrote:Special shout to my active Film baddie laureates for winning again alongside me,, even if we had no contact, even if TH hunted me. Really glad I helped TH. Oh w8, I missed the vote lol.

And you missed your cue to suicide. We knew who you were, lol, and we did want you to commit suicide at that time.

Linki @DH: A paragraph would do, maybe. Was it something from another player, or just the structure?

DharmaHelper wrote:Honorary mention to Epignosis for calling out the three most powerful civvies.

Yup.

And he was the only person the entire game who suspected Daisy I believe.

Turnip Head wrote:How long did you know who Mello and L were? Just curious.

To answer your question TH.

Mata tried to NK FZ the night she got her DN. While we never checked FZ, her lynch survival later on confirmed it for us.

DH I believe we checked on Night 7 (can't remember exactly) and tried to kill him on Night 8, only to fail. We used the watch DN we had on Boomslang on Day 9 to check another couple players, to pretend our Night 8 kill didn't fail, and because at the time, we thought he was L.

For the record, Daisy didn't take the Eye Deal until Night 7, and Mata not until Day 12. So until those points, we are shooting pretty blindly.

Good game everyone.

Dammit Bass, why'd you have to go and kill Rico the other night. The Detectives ALMOST came back and won, lol.

I wonder what happens next...

MovingPictures07 wrote:Interestingly, Matahari and Bass_the_Clever pointed fingers at themselves.

Lol.

Errr-my-god

Well he won't be back on for several more hours I believe.

What happens next?

Me neither.

Yeah, this vote is weird.

There's nothing really happening today, I think is what she means. It's essentially come down to DP's vote.

Linki: Your call DP. I believe Mata is waiting on you.

Epi, I see you peeking. Who are you gonna vote for.

Aw, shucks.

Bass, would you change your vote if you could?

Linki @Rico: I believe you buddy.

Unlikely, I placed it precisely where I wanted to.

Why do you ask?

Nobody wants to lynch a Shinigami today? Looks like we are safe TH, ol' buddy.