The Syndicate

Simon wrote:Thank you for playing Angry Birds. I forgot to tell you.

I liked writing the stories.

I liked reading the stories because every single one benefitted the piggies.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, what happened on Night 5 exactly? We forced LoRab to target me, but my vote was never forced.

It's complicated.

Hal targeted lipsticklacey. That means lacey targets herself, which means she was actually targeting you, which meant you ended up targeting yourself, thus taking yourself off the poll.

Well, it let me get away with one of my more boneheaded mafia moves without getting lynched for it.

Epignosis, what happened on Night 5 exactly? We forced LoRab to target me, but my vote was never forced.

FZ. wrote:Congrats to the winners

What I don't understand is, why when I blocked Boomslang night 1, I received a message that I targeted myself? I was sure he was Hal, so ever since then, I completely changed my mind about him. Did someone redirect my power?

It seems the real Hal targeted you with his power anyway.

DFaraday wrote:I was right about Eloh all along! I'm not sure why she never got lynched. And once I saw the votes in my lynch, it was obvious who the baddies were (except Lacey, I wasn't sure on her).

Did my targeting actually have any effect on anyone?

I think you forced me to take myself off the lynch poll one day (assuming it was you who targeted me).

MovingPictures07 wrote:Nicely done on the LMS role, LoRab, wouldn't have called you for that. Shame we never lynched a pig.

I've now caught up with Golden for number of wins in 2015.

LoRab, who would you have nightkilled given the chance? Elohcin had a good chance of getting lynched early on, but the civvies didn't go for it.

Epignosis wrote:Also, nijuu (made to self-target by Hal) and lipsticklacey would have been off the poll.

Not the real Hal Mccoy right?

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oink

Winning as Mafia without me along? How dare you.

That's ok, lipsticklacey is my new Ricochet.

Oink

Elohcin wrote:YEAH BUDDY! We won with our whole team alive!

Go team!

I'm voting DF. Sorry for being flakey, but I'm off to work.

Vote registered for DFaraday

Oh, looks like the lynch ends in an hour anyway.

Here is a quick summary of every player left alive. (Actually I excluded myself, Made because he is probably Chuck, and Russti because he's not on the poll).

Boomslang - On Day 1, he defends Russti lightly and goes after LoRab for defending lacey for being new. Elohcin talks him down from this. He eventually votes MP for self-voting. On Day 2, he admits to not being as active as he wanted, but justified his vote for MP. He agrees with DF that we should look at Elohcin and Spacedaisy for their Day 1 votes. Then he calls out MP for self-voting again, and finally votes for llama for being weird, acknowledging that MP's behavior could indicate he is/was the bomb. He then disagrees with MP's tactic of asking for GTH reads from players, though Boomslang did offer a decent rebuttal. On Day 3, he looks at the Tinybubbles case, but acknowledgs what Russti said that the driveby votes don't indicate anything from a player. He doesn't agree with the suspects of the day, so voted llama again. On Day 4, he voted Made with little reasoning, but said he had time constraints. On Day 5, he makes a case on LoRab and votes for her.

DFaraday - On Day 1, he says he feels good about boo and Scotty, then votes for FZ. On Day 2, he says he will look at the Scotty bandwagoners (specifically Spacedaisy and Elohcin), and says he feels good about lacey, but not as much about LoRab. He then votes Spacedaisy for her surprising Day 2 vote. On Day 3, he defends the suspicions of fingersplints, and states the Elohcin is his biggest suspicion. He then votes for Elohcin later on in the day, but says that TinyBubbles and lacey are the players whose fingersplints suspicions looked disingenuous. On Day 4, he states he thinks that MP was onto something which was why mafia nightkilled him. He then votes for Elohcin again, but says he's okay with a LoRab or Made lynch based on MP's thoughts. On Day 5, he doesn't mention any specific suspicions, nor does he vote.

Ugh, sorry, I don't have time to do the rest of the players. So here is the most incomplete recap ever.

I'm putting together a post at this moment, hold your marmots...

I'm surprised Made is still alive, but we definitely shouldn't lynch him today.

I don't have a lot of time, but I'll do the same as you LoRab.

No, it would be 4-4-1. There are 9 players left.

LoRab wrote:RIP Splints. I guess the part where my suspicion of you lessened was correct. And, by my math, there are now more baddies than civies in this game.

I think your math is probably correct. 4-3-1 (piggies-birds-Gale)

So Russtifinko and myself are off the poll.

No worries. Have a good time.

I'm really sorry I missed the lynch. I got sidetracked by RL things.

Russtifinko wrote:Hmmm, only one person off the poll today, and it's Ninja Blooper. To me, that MAY be an indication that our protector was NKed on Night 3, and that the piggy protector is the only one left.

Since they can't have known they'd killed the bird protector, it makes the most sense to me that the piggies would protect one of their own, not knowing it would be revealed. I am actually nearly as convinced that Blooper is bad as I am about llama.

As an aside, it's really nice that it's so clear who's bad and who's not in this game. Piggies bad, birdies good. Simple. These games with well-meaning "baddies" are confusing. :P

Or said player is still alive, and happened to also target nijuukyugou. Not that it matters either way. We have Gale left, probably four mafia left, and 6 civilians left.

thellama73 wrote:Question: is it possible the baddies got ahold of the egg and have been passing it around amongst themselves? We might find a clue by who was removed from previous polls, since Blooper is definitely bad.

There is one civilian role and one mafia role that can remove players from the poll each night.

Russtifinko wrote:

LoRab wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Yup, it's lipsticklacey, boomslang, blooper, and one more. Not sure who yet. Guaranteed that those three are bad though.

What makes you say this? Besides Blooper today, everyone who's been of the poll could've been put there by the baddie or civvie remover.

Because my theory is that the baddies have obtained the egg we passed around at the beginning and are distributing it amongst themselves. I will say that Blooper is the one I most suspect though, based on her posting content. She's very under the radar this game, which experience teaches me means a bad Blooper.

I agree with this, about the egg, which is why I'm not fully confident about Made's role. I 'm not advocating to lynch him today, but I also don't trust him.

I want to hear why Lacey had been planning on voting FZ (she posted before the last lynch end that who she planned to vote for was off the poll--and she was the other person off the poll). I am fairly confident at this point that she's bad.

And I kind of keep forgetting that Blooper is playing, so I agree under the radar.

I don't know boomslang at all, so don't really have a read there.

This is super far-fetched. We've never heard anything to indicate that the golden eggs were used beyond Day 1. More importantly, Epi's post said there were THREE of them. Do you really think Epi would make a mechanic where baddies could get access to powers that make them unlynchable and can be passed around indefinitely??? You're of course assuming they would have to be passed, because otherwise the host would have been creating three unkillable roles based on a Day 0 contest, which would either decide the game or make it unendable. That means it's a virtual certainty the baddies would eventually get all three, and it would be impossible for us to win.

You two are both SO BAD. Hopefully the rest of the civs will see through this thin veneer of manure disguised as theorizing and join me to get llama.

Russ, you've done a complete 180 on llama. You were agreeing with everything he said yesterday.

Made wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Also, I'm curious about why Made isn't around. He could've died. I would think he was the lynch stop civ, but if he didn't check into the thread during the Day phase, I dunno how he'd have used it. So many people were suspicious of him, I don't see anyone else saving him.

Civs don't have a lynch stop, but there is a role that survives the first lynch attempt.

His surviving gives me pause. However, I'm not entirely convinced. He was on the site last night, and I can't see a reason that someone would be on here and not post, when they saw their name was being mentioned. Especially a civ. Even if they knew they would survive, someone who has a lot of suspicion is likely to at least post some sort of defense/alternative. A baddie might just leave it to their teammates to do for them. If not the civ role, then perhaps he had a golden egg?

linkitis: @Made: Do you want to offer any sort of defense to anything that's been said about you?

Ice bear believes that actions speak louder than words. (he also hasn't read thread yet...)

And yeah, kinda logged in, then got distracted by college type things, but cleared the schedule for a 4th quarter mafia power hours...of course said power hour apparently started 2 hours too late...

out of curiosity, what kind of mafia move is it to log in, read thread (and chatzy of course), and just yolo it?

I do it occasionally. Usually I have things to say when I'm reading, but sometimes I just pop in on my phone to read while I'm at work or in between classes or something.

And sometimes I'll stay logged in on my home computer when I'm not there.

lipsticklacey wrote:I've got a IRL game night happening at my house in an hour, so I'm doing what's probably the equivalent of a drive by vote.

After briefly catching up, I think good points have been made on both sides about Made, Llama, and Elo... so far, I think the case is strongest for Elo. Was going with someone else, but they aren't on the poll.

Have a good evening, folks; I'll check in in a few hours.

Who were you planning on voting for?

I voted for Elohcin. I gotta go.

FZ. wrote:RIP MP

Really sad to see you go. You were really an asset to the game.


This hasn't been brought up, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that MP was killed because he said he (or I) would be killed. Some people on this site have exactly that sort of twisted sense of humour. Just saying.

MP did make some good points, but I also want to bring up llama again. I don't see civ llama here at the moment. Where is the llama who goes after people really strongly? Where's the llama that pushes people? All I see is someone who on the first day voted based on a hunch (a bad one), on the second day, failed to take into account possibilities other than the baddie was not here and voted for TB who was an easy target. While I gave him the benefit of the doubt because he voted before we discussed the Eagle option, the next day he voted for TB again, with a drive by vote, for what? doing the same thing he did?

And now, when MP is dead, he's trying to feed us with the theory he was killed because he nailed the baddies. While that might be the case, there are more options. But what bothers me most is that llama just threw that theory out there, but isn't naming any players he actually thins killed MP, nor is he talking about anything.

I think we're looking at a non civ llama.
llama, if you are a civ, you're welcome to prove me wrong. We need some civvie contribution here. If not, I might vote for you.

I actually thought MP was Gale, so my theory has been discounted.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote: I think we're looking at a non civ llama.
llama, if you are a civ, you're welcome to prove me wrong. We need some civvie contribution here. If not, I might vote for you.

I am civ, but not especially interested in producing "proof" since I know that such a thing is not possible without violating the rules of the game.
Lynch Made. If he flips bad, you know that I am either civvie or a baddie who will throw teammates under the bus at the slightest provocation.

I didn't mean that kind of proof. I meant I wanted you to talk. I have no problem lynching Made...I think. But instead of telling me to lynch him and wait for the consequences, I want you to tell me what has he done that's made you feel you can't trust him.

I buy MP's argument, and I buy that the baddie team would kill MP because of it.

I do too, and I don't think you are bad. The stunt you pulled on TB early on in the game, I believe you would only have done if you are civ, or teammates with TB. I disagree with the sudden turn on you just because you've been gone (which you confirmed in the Recruitment game) and not been participating.

DFaraday wrote:I'm sticking with *voting Elo* since she was my prime suspect even before MP made his list. I wouldn't mind LR or Made getting lynched either, but I haven't read back to find anything pingy about them other than MP's post.

I'd rather lynch fingersplints, but Elohcin is my second choice. I'll probably be following your vote.

nijuukyugou wrote:It's been busy, and this evening's stupid busy in a good way, but I gotta get ready to go.

I like MP's points about Made. It was pointed out by someone that he had exactly 4 baddies in The Game, which I didn't notice at the time but find very unusual and calculated, like the person who said it. I was also thinking that while talking like Ice Bear amuses me and civs will pull that stuff for fun (and Made would be the type to pull it), it's also a way for baddies to avoid suspicion in plain sight. I know these things have been said; I'm simply agreeing. We'll get info from Made. So voting that way.

Sorry for being so rushed and dropping in and out for this game - I'm still getting used to not choosing my own schedule and it kinda hurts :P

I don't agree with your reasoning here. I don't think having four mafia in the game would make someone bad. Saying that civilians and baddies would both pull the same stunt isn't something that can incriminate someone. I guess you're following others' posts, but why are they posting as such?

I wish I had more time to read and make a case, but I don't.

Linki: Russ, I don't think an MP nightkill was that surprising. He was the most active around.

Russtifinko wrote:Are there 11 people alive? The dead list hasn't been updated, and there are 9 on the poll.

I believe two players have been removed from the poll, Boomslang and FZ being the candidates.

Interesting note, Boomslang has been removed two days in a row.

Linki: Isn't Gale an LMS?

LoRab wrote:Sory...tired typing. The numbers are really close If there is another civ lynch, a civ win is near impossible. It is imperitive to lynch a piggie this round. if civs want to win I'd like it if we could all really discuss that before voting to be sure. And we have yet to see a bad piggie.

Not true. One mafia lynch will give the nightkill to Gale, who has the oppurtunity to nightkill mafia if she picks correctly. That's two mafia down in one day/night cycle with no civs lost.

But your sense of urgency is not unwarranted.

Bye TinyBubbles, see you next game.

I think we should lynch fingersplints tomorrow. I imagine llama will make a reappearance too. TinyBubbles flipping civilian makes him look better, I think.

Sorry for the drive-by vote. I voted for fingersplints per my earlier thoughts.

FZ. and Boomslang are both off the poll today.

I'm going to wait to place my vote. It's either going to Elohcin or fingersplints, but I may have to reconsider voting fingersplints after TinyBubbles' driveby vote. I don't think she was forced by Gale, because she did state fingersplints as her top suspicion last night.

TinyBubbles, say something!

Boomslang wrote:RIP, boo. So it goes :/. But this thread has been really quiet tonight... too quiet. Time to start some things :P

Blooper, has the death of boo helped you reconcile your number of mafia suspects with the number of actual mafia?
Russ, you didn't post at all Day 2. What are your thoughts?
Elo, you mentioned wanting to look at quiet players today; who's highest on the list?

You wanna be starin' something?

FZ. wrote:MP, I didn't say I was so worried about your actions surrounding the game. I said there was a part of me who's a little paranoid by the fact that this game makes you look quite civvie like, but in fact, could easily be a clever way to seem helpful. Especially when you left the "conclusions" to us. That said, it was an interesting game, but I agree with whoever said that forcing someone to make a civ/mafia decision on the spot may not reveal that much. I know that for me, one minute I think someone is bad, and then they come on and say something that makes me feel better. So the timing of the game makes all the difference.

I've got an idea who MP might be, and I don't think lynching him would be a good idea.

MP, would you consider Spacedaisy to be an easy vote this day phase?

Elohcin - her vote at the end, and the later reasoning to follow.
fingersplints - her Day 1 vote
LoRab - her defence of lacey for being new (though I guess they are friends)
Russtifinko - I don't really know why.
llama - everything

I would also like to hear yours MP.

TinyBubbles

civilian

Russtifinko
thellama

mafia
mafia

MovingPictures07
nijuukyugou

civilian
civilian

Made
Missing Person :P

civilian
TB/GE

LoRab
Lacey

mafia
civilian

fingersplints
FZ.

mafia
civilian

DFaraday
Elohcin

civilian
mafia

I realize this is not the same as doing it with everyone else, but here goes.

boo
Boomslang

civilian
civilian

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What do players think of the fact that Blooper was hyper-concerned about having too many mafia reads? Did her reads seem to develop organically or in a genuine fashion or did they seem forced?

You're exaggerating MP, but I think she was being genuine. I'm pretty sure this exercise was new to her, and the fact that she continued to make baddie reads even after she realized she had eclipsed the mafia team's number makes it genuine.

I've never participated in this exercise before either though. I've just seen it done multiple times.

I know what I'm doing.

For the record, I didn't see anything wrong with it either. Just wanted to see how she'd respond.

Even so.

Since nobody else said it yet, I read myself as civilian.

MovingPictures07 wrote:What do players think of the fact that Blooper was hyper-concerned about having too many mafia reads? Did her reads seem to develop organically or in a genuine fashion or did they seem forced?

You're exaggerating MP, but I think she was being genuine. I'm pretty sure this exercise was new to her, and the fact that she continued to make baddie reads even after she realized she had eclipsed the mafia team's number makes it genuine.

I've never participated in this exercise before either though. I've just seen it done multiple times.

Does this bird have teeth?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Elohcin, why would you break a tie between her and llama, and then immediately apologize for it?

Dirty smelly kids and husband aside, I appreciate you breaking the tie, but I don't like your reasoning for it.

Linki: Oh, by Spacedaisy.

EBWOP: bye Spacedaisy.

boo wrote:I buy his D1 self-vote, I meant that the SK is probably someone who found the thought of making him self-vote for a second straight day would be amusing.

Oh, that changes things. I missed that part of Gale's role.

Elohcin, why would you break a tie between her and llama, and then immediately apologize for it?

Dirty smelly kids and husband aside, I appreciate you breaking the tie, but I don't like your reasoning for it.

Linki: Oh, by Spacedaisy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:This game is missing a Rainbow List. Who wants one?

I could do without one.

LoRab wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

LoRab wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:On a completely different note, I think Lacey may be mafia. She is really playing that newbie card hard.

I agree with that statement. Not ready to lynch her today (I have an overly developed sense of personal guilt), but I am thinking in that direction, as well.

Why not? You gave her D1 at least.

Because I feel like a brand new player needs 3 games, before they realize they love the game and will come back for more. And to also get a grasp. She's one of my closest friends. I have no problem killing her when the time comes, I just need to , personally, give her another day beofre I feel ethically good about doing so.

It took Cookie 3 games to figure out she hated being mafia and quit.

boo wrote:MP was just forced-vote by someone who thought it would be funny to make him a hypocrite for a second day in a row.

If he were the bomb, he wouldn't want to be lynched this early since it's just a random voter who gets taken down alongside the bomb, and at this point, that would more likely to result in 2 dead civvies in most situations.

With MP's spike in activity, this becomes more believable. But what civilian try to force other players' hands like that to make their behavior look "suspicious"?

Or Spacedaisy's vote was forced? Again, same argument with MP, because I don't think anyone suspected Made on Day 1.

nijuukyugou wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Drive-by votes are not cool.

Says the self voter :P

But agreed.

nijuukyugou wrote:I AM NOW POSTING IN QUADRUPLE DIGITS

I need to get out more

Congratulations!

Made wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

FZ. wrote: So who do you find the most suspicious? I can see myself voting for either Daisy or llama who have votes. But I'm still hesitant

On further review, I think I find llama most suspicious. He was among the Scotty voters without much justification, and he seems to have deliberately misread the role blocking of last night to justify a vote for tinybubbles. I don't know what to make of Daisy's vote yet, and the possibility that MP is the bomb makes me pause before voting for him again. So I'll go ahead and *vote llama*

Here's the thing: This is a classic Llama civvie game to me, agro someone hard day one, get himself lynched day two (Read Ice Bears post history for proof) . From Ice Bear's perspective, Llama seems to only get himself killed when he's civvie, and has no team to defend, so he act however he pleases, regardless of where that might get him.


Ice bear feels as if no one acknowledged the suspicions of boo. So Ice Bear will place his vote there today

MP seems very sketchy, but ice bear isn't ready to lynch him yet. Maybe a day 4th quarter day 3 1st quarter day 4 MP lynch depending on how he plays.


oh woah, lots of post Ice bear will respond to direct messages then finish reads.

Here's the other thing. In the very last speed game, llama went baddie-hunting like crazy on Day 1, and caught Sloonei and got him lynched. He was subsequently nightkilled that night.

You are not entirely correct.