The Syndicate

It has been done.

I neither understand nor comprehend what you guys are planning but this game now has my full attention. I trust the two of you. Let me know where my vote should be placed for optimal whatever-the-fuck shenanigans and I will acquiesce.

I'm down to go with the consensus.

the only advantage to ties right now is that the rabbi is unlynchable if we only create ties

I will also be around at eod.

New Meta Alert: from now on I will loudly announce when I am making changes to my overall gameplay style.

new Kyle-meta announcement: effective immediately, I vote at the start of the day instead of at the end of the day now.

rip nutella

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:12 am"To make it clear that our Empire will have none of it, I've arranged a...demonstration here tonight."

......was Russia an empire?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:59 pm~ His effort has been decent and he has been present frequently.

is this like the mafia version of "a pleasure to have in class"?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:59 pm Kyle voted off-wagons on Day 2, happily leaving the decision to the rabbi. Now we know that the tiebreaker decision hardly mattered. Do we think Kyle would have bailed on lynching either of his two teammates at least for the "deciding vote" credit? It didn't matter which one.

He's an ultra-careful player, but that'd seem more silly than careful to me if he's bad.

I can tell you right now with 90% certainty that a mafia Kyle would have absolutely and very specifically bussed Long Con. Like... it wouldn't even be a question in my mind. I wouldn't even ask him about it, and he'd know what he'd done to deserve it.

Operation Trust Falls:

Epi: was strongly pushed by mafia member, unlikely.
Nutella: at many points I have found myself agreeing with Nutella on things, she's been assertive but also agreeable and that gives me good vibes
Wilgy: he's put forward an effort to contribute that I associate more with civ wilgy than bad wilgy
Kylemii: he is very handsome and has huge muscles. It's impossible for him to do crime.
Dyslexicon: feels genuine to me, I think the advancement of their read on me is the exact opposite of how a solo mafia would want to go if they were preparing to use me as a mislynch, which would be basically necessary (along with 4 more) to win.
FZ: went after LC pretty hard and also early
JJJ: strict adherance to town meta, so very many isos.
Marmot: asks a lot of questions, reacts to stimuli, has no qualms about suspecting players other people don't suspect
Sloonei: strong pusher against both LC and LR, not very compatible with bussing, I also don't think any of what we went through together on day 1 would have realistically happened if Sloonei were mafia
SpaceDavey: when she came back into the game it felt as if we were seeing a return of the same player
Novaselinenever: was on the LC wagon earlier on in day 3
Mac; has endeavored to solve the game from unique angles

Outcomes:
Marmot was definitely the hardest to find reasons to trust. NVE was second place. Spacedaisy was also kind of hard since her reasons mostly amount to tone. The same is also maybe true with Mac, and Nut. Though I feel good about Nutella tone. I feel I can trust her. I also am not sure of some of the ones which are cleared only for going after long con, since his lynch was a landslide and was probably somewhat foreseeable.

It might be good to review the earlier polls again with the context that both LC and LR were mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:35 pm what is "operation trust fall"?

You coined the term! this thing

hell yes. validation.

i love getting credit for naming things that I forgot about.

let's do this.

what is "operation trust fall"?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:19 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:26 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:39 am Hm I should have waited until right before end of night to say that since it opens the door for framing wifom bullshit. Whatevs

I'll try protecting you by adding a second layer of wifom to protect you. *clears throat*

If I were the last remaining mafia, I would absolutely kill Marmot next, because killing Marmot is my favorite thing to do. I killed marmot first in the jester game because it felt great to do. It wasn't even for strategic purposes. Yeah. Boy, I'll tell ya. Nothing can compare to the pure adrenaline rush I get specifically from night-killing Marmot, or maybe novaselinever.

wtf is the purpose of this post my dude

you may not know this about me yet but sometimes i make jokes, LA

also if the mafia takes the bait and kills marmot then we don't have to deal with him trying to get himself lynched and then we have one less player in the process of elimination pool.

it's probably just wishful thinking, but it's cool when it works

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:39 am Hm I should have waited until right before end of night to say that since it opens the door for framing wifom bullshit. Whatevs

I'll try protecting you by adding a second layer of wifom to protect you. *clears throat*

If I were the last remaining mafia, I would absolutely kill Marmot next, because killing Marmot is my favorite thing to do. I killed marmot first in the jester game because it felt great to do. It wasn't even for strategic purposes. Yeah. Boy, I'll tell ya. Nothing can compare to the pure adrenaline rush I get specifically from night-killing Marmot, or maybe novaselinever.

13 players left. one dies tonight, probably? making 12 so unless unless my math is wrong, we have 6 tries at this

hell yes

another point against LC, civ LC would have too much pride to hint himself out of a sticky situation, but mafia LC would absolutely pull a fake hint gambit

daughter hinting makes sense as a desperation gambit cus there's 3 of them and none of them know each other, so there's no one to counter

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:13 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:11 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:07 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:05 am the only civ way what he's saying is true is if he's Avram and...

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:40 am A message from Avram:
Kyle and Long Con seem like good places to start.

he's not Avram.

And neither are you. And yet, I promise that I can prove to at least one person that I'm Civ.

Now you are throwing out a hail Mary to draw out civilian powers you want gone.

I know that trick.

Be gone, Long Con.

I don't actually know that trick. I can't recall ever seeing that trick.

Nobody reveal your Civ powers.

lol

I definitely used that trick in my early lostpedia days and I'm 80% sure you were one of the people who called me out on it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:08 am I see only one role with the guarantee of being provable (other than those which would render the tally irrelevant), the triple voter. That one shouldn't require tomorrow.

Otherwise it's the BTSC dude, begging a fortunate target -- otherwise no proof.

Motel is dead, he's claiming doctor or a doctor's daughter.

the only civ way what he's saying is true is if he's Avram and...

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:40 am A message from Avram:
Kyle and Long Con seem like good places to start.

he's not Avram.

I would also be willing to change my vote if you can change my mind/bring up a better alternative

voting LC cus I just got involved in this cool questline and I don't want to get distracted and miss the vote

though if today is like the other day LC might be getting off work soon so I will try to return and see his defenses.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:42 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:40 pm nut, is the main thing that you suspect Jay's marmot vote was forced and that the mafia selected one of their own (marmot) to be vote recipient for wifom purposes?

You're several minutes behind buddy. I did think that briefly and do not anymore. I misinterpreted Jay's post. He often just says his hand slipped when he decides to change a vote.

mm! okay

nut, is the main thing that you suspect Jay's marmot vote was forced and that the mafia selected one of their own (marmot) to be vote recipient for wifom purposes?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:52 pm Oops, I slipped.

Marmot's bad. Thanks, Marmot.

wait what happened?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:30 pm I don't understand your mindset with regard to FZ.

She was, as I recall, the prime mover against Long Con.

You think Lorab and Long Con would tiptoe around each other, but FZ. would just come in guns blazing against LC?

well, that would probably be where doing the legwork would/will come in handy

but I explained in the later paragraph that FZ probably makes more sense in a Mafia where LC isn't part of it.

Dyslexicon is a tone read. I find their posts agreeable for the most part and I think the journey they've been through in an attempt to read me seems genuine. that is another point that could use some further legwork.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:35 pm

FZ. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:05 pmKyle, can you remind me who you think the rest of the baddies are?

hm? sorry? I haven't claimed to have any idea of who the third mafia member could be. I think LC is a good place to start.

If LC flips mafia that leaves us 5 (correct math?) tries and 240 hours to find the third member, with like 4 or 5 info roles to guide our lynches. I'm not really worried about our chances.

Do you have any alternative suspects?

For this lynch, not really. LC looks really bad and I think he's probably with the police. I think there's too much evidence pointing towards his and Lorabs partnership in the previous lynch, including but not limited to the fact that they didn't vote for each other or really discuss each other and the fact that there wasn't a push by anyone to add that one extra vote to save lorab by voting for long con.

If long con doesn't turn out to be mafia then the fact that there wasn't a push might implicate players who weren't around for the end of day or players who already had their votes on long con.

Very Good
Epi
JJJ
Sloonei
Kylemii

Pretty Good
Nutella
Wilgy
Mac
Dyslexicon

Neutral
Spacedaisy
Novaselinever

Maybe bad?
FZ
Marmot

Bad
LC

Off the top of my head this is where I place everyone rn. I can't remember any of novaselinever's specific contributions so that's why he's there. Spacedaisy is on yellow because I generally believe she has good vibes but there is still a slight chance that her motivation to not vote LC or LR was out of an aversion to voting for her longtime friends and also mafia buds. Slight. FZ and Marmot are on the bottom because I don't have any solid reasons to read them as civ. I was also etched out a little by FZ's recent post asking me why I hadn't personally solved the entire game yet, and if LC does flip civ then FZ's vote on him looks less than great.

That's all just off the top of my head, though. There's definitely some legwork that could be done there, but rn I don't want to do legwork, I want to play Skyrim. I'm following along and checking in every 30 minutes or so. If LC comes online later and makes a particularly moving case for himself then I'll probably get back into search mode.

FZ. wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:05 pmKyle, can you remind me who you think the rest of the baddies are?

hm? sorry? I haven't claimed to have any idea of who the third mafia member could be. I think LC is a good place to start.

If LC flips mafia that leaves us 5 (correct math?) tries and 240 hours to find the third member, with like 4 or 5 info roles to guide our lynches. I'm not really worried about our chances.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:16 pmPerhaps Kyle reacted so strongly to my early fake tell because I threatened his imperative need for survival.

I don't ever like to die, but there are times where I am more okay with dying than others.

1. getting lynched for playing a weak civ game: encourages me to try harder next time
2. getting night killed for playing too strong of a civ game: encourages me to dial it back a bit next time
3. getting lynched for any reason, including as part of process of elimination, when the mafia is already at enough of a deficit that the game is mostly won.

your thing was neither of those

sorry I didn't realize that was a post made by you.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I thought the "him"s here was referring to a separate entity so I got confused.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:11 pm we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:43 pmLynching him would be a great idea.

him is nvn?

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:03 amWell, if you read the lynch sober, you'll see that I came in after work last minute, and wasn't able to catch up, just voting to try to save myself. I didn't have a chance to investigate Lorab or anyone else.

you arrived around 8:40, so you had about a half hour to figure things out. you made about 6 or 7 posts. you asked about the case against yourself and responded to my directly asking you directly about why I shouldn't vote for you (and lorab and a secret player named jaggedjimmyjag). you didn't ask about the case against lorab or jay, or anyone else for that matter.

also:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:52 pmI had several tabs open, for catching up, writing responses, Mortal Kombat, etc, and when I realized that the time was running out, the poll I voted in had Epi as the best possibility to save myself. After my vote went in, though, there was some shifting due to last-few-minutes vote changing, and Lorab was my only way.

which parts of this thread did you prioritize while catching up last night? even if you weren't able to get caught up completely, you at least started. what was your focus in those 27 minutes?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:53 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:40 am Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

stream of consciousness; I was commenting on lorabs pursuit of him. obviously his death makes him even less likely to be mafia

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:49 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:18 am Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

Tellmemore.gif

I believe SD's defenses and don't find her pre lorab death posts all that suspicious either. I believe Jay is doing his best and I also have a role in mind for him.

the fact that neither of LC nor LR discussed each other while doing so and convincing us that the other player was more likely to be scum would have been their only chance at survival is troubling.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:29 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:18 am Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

Of the players you've ISO'd so far, who do you think is the most likely partner of LoRab?

at this point, long con

Lorab:

lorabs push against epi was too consistent to be distancing, I see where Sloonei is coming from in the comment about buddying Nutella, asks about the LC case, doesn't seem to do anything with it. speed is an unlikely partner as well, same reason as epi. I don't see Sloonei as a partner either. Lorab doesn't seem to discuss long con at all, even near the end of day when the lynch is down to the two of them

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:18 am Can anyone make an argument for Kyle to be town?

yes :/

long con did not mention lorab before his vote on her, cited as a vote to save himself

I think I'm gonna come back for marmot, I want to iso lorab first

rip speedchuck

isoing locon next, then I guess marmot.

space daisy iso, the main point against her here is that she didn't give a stance on lorab early on and later voted separate from either bandwagon to maintain a tie while having limited involvement in the final hours due to social obligations.. which are... basically the exact same things I'm being looked at for lol.

I find her defenses relatable for that reason. Her big defense post earlier was almost just a much better worded version of my own defenses. I understand why she might not have had a solid read on LR yet because I also didn't have one yet. I also buy that she would probably save a teammate lorab given the opportunity. Lorab is an OG Lostpedian and opportunities to play with her now are seemingly rare. I would be surprised if that wouldn't have influenced SD's choice last night in a scenario of choosing whether to spare a teammate or not.

gth gooddaisy

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:58 pm i never done

ah fuck

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:33 pm Epignosis every time you suspect me in a game it feels like I'm being graded on an English paper I did last minute.

"this sentence is completely illegible" "that word has another definition entirely in this context"

This time you are being graded for your drunkenness by a bona fide wino extraordinaire.

implying i never done an english assignment while intoxicated

My impression from Jay's intereractions with lorab before death tend toward an earnest attempt to feel her out. He did an entire ISO on her as well as half an ISO on LC due to time constraints. The mafia Jay I've met is not afraid to bus teammates or do ISO's on them ending in negative views. I would like to review how that manifested in pirates mafia.

GTH jay good

Epignosis every time you suspect me in a game it feels like I'm being graded on an English paper I did last minute.

"this sentence is completely illegible" "that word has another definition entirely in this context"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:16 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:15 pm You were coherent then.

What were you trying to say exactly?

coherent when?

Your messages around " Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go " made sense.

Why is this one so fucked up?

What was your intended message, and what did it mean? Why is that your only unclear message?

"plz elevator pitch me on lorab vs. long con go"

it was the most disorganized message because it was the message I needed an answer to most desperately in the shortest amount of time. at the time it seemed like a pretty clear question, I think I noticed the elevator typo but was like "nah they'll get it" I guess I was wrong?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:57 am ISO links:
Dave
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Epignosis
FZ.
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Long Con
LoRab
MacDougall
Marmot
novaselinenever
nutella
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
speedchuck

And our host, DFaraday.

bumping this forward for contemporary use

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:15 pm You were coherent then.

What were you trying to say exactly?

coherent when?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:11 pm Drunk analysis? Did someone say Epignosis?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:55 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 am I moved to nutella for the moment, I'm not 100% certain I want to stay there but my gut just got thrown for a loop and her moving to Jay is concerning to me.

I recommend looking at LoRab quickly if you have time.

Tell me about lorab

11:56. Buzzed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

12:01. Shitfaced.

I don't know a single drunk this incoherent. I am drunk right now.

Maybe.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:04 am voted daisy to preserve the tie, I'm okay with letting the rabbi choose

12:04. Had a quick shower and a cup of coffee.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:53 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am Elplz eevator pitch me on lorab vrs locon go

what the fuck

12:53 am pm

"What the hell did I do last night?"

I have a little experience here.

If you're shitfaced, you stay shitfaced for more than a ten minute window.

ok first of all all that stuff took place at like 8:30pm for me

second of all, there were fewer typos after the deadline cus there was no longer a time crunch and I could take as long as I wanted to make posts and ask questions. elplz eevator post was apparently my phone's best attempt at guessing what my fingers were saying when I was trying to type "plz elevator". I wasn't concerned about proofreading, I was concerned about comprehending the cases against lorabs, longcon as quickly as possible in order to make the best decision.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:42 pm Kyle, you're all about the proximity analysis but the majority of your recent posts are analyzing yourself and defending yourself. What are you about, m8?

I've been dealing with a mild hangover this morning so I'm kinda chilling in the dark rn. that combined with the burglary has left me without the time or energy to do ISO's yet. I plan to start with you, LC, Spacedaisy 2.0, and maybe some other Long Con voters. do you have any other suggestions?