The Syndicate

ah i understand

i agree day 1's no lynch tie ruling was a safety net we probably didn't need, but the day 2 lynch was a calculated risk taken by the mayor role, i think that one was fair.

I think in general, roles whose only purpose is to be guaranteed to be harder to kill at night should be limited to like... maybe 1 per game, depending on how many other roles can fuck with the kills.

I'm disappointed that my Mastermind Dunya theory was wrong.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:54 amI thought so! Night 2, I activated my "Janssen Observatory - Blanc may use this rickety observatory to take a look at Olympus Mons, the Martian mountain."

So not only were you not the indie role but you were actually the most anti-indie role in the game. :0

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:59 am I cleared Kyle as soon as I found out Wilgy wasn't K2. Wilgy was my top suspect but when I was trying to figure out who the hell K2 was, it was between him or Kyle in the end. Kyle was my read for K2 but that missed night message confused the hell out of me cos Kyle is literally always online and it just seemed impossible to me he would have missed deadline.

K2 is irresponsible at times. K2 apologizes.

This isn't about the game as much as some things I learned from my role that I couldn't comment in without outing myself.

K2, Pakistan/China (8,611 m) - K2 is the second highest mountain in the world behind Everest, though it is actually far more deadly for mountain climbers (almost 25% death rate). K2 may write a message to the thread each night, warning of danger.

1. before this game I didn't even know Pakistan and China shared a border

2. 25% death rate is a lot lower of a death rate than I expected, I thought mountains were a lot more dangerous than that???? What's the fucking point. :/

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:13 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:11 amScooby Doo

that was probably my favorite thing about this game tbh

Marmot messaged me asking why I wanted to post it, I responded "it's just a really good episode"

I set out from the beginning to use my role as a means to advise the thread and direct people's attention without tipping the mafia off to who I was, and I pretty much did the opposite of that.

The Scooby Doo script message was because I kinda..... stopped caring at that point. It seemed like we were going to win no matter what happened and Marmot told me at the beginning of the game that my messages could be as long as I wanted as long as they don't hit post limits. I wasn't sure a full length movie script would fit.

In a way I didn't really have a choice but to post the entirety of the dialogue from Scooby Doo: Where Are You season 2 episode 7 on Night 8; it was out of my hands.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:50 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:48 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:46 amAfter spending time with you in the CC123 chat, you were so obviously K2.

i knew i should have stuck to the overly formal speech patterns i used on night 1 and 2 :[

'It's your homeboi K2 here' (aka your first sentence) comes from nobody but Kylemii

Is that how you think I talk normally? x_x I was trying to emulate the typical over-the-top YouTuber.

Everything turned out okay because you guys found the mafia really fast but if this game had given a different direction I would have died because I wasn't careful enough. x_x

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:47 am It wasn't even the Epig thing. It was just the vibrant youthfulness that leaked from K2's posts that I associate with Kylemii. Or nutella.

eewaaaauuughhh next time i have a soapbox role i'll do a better job to try to sound old

what was LC's role that everyone other than me knew about?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:46 amAfter spending time with you in the CC123 chat, you were so obviously K2.

i knew i should have stuck to the overly formal speech patterns i used on night 1 and 2 :[

Hey Quin thanks for making me realize I'm the only person who calls Epignosis "Epig" any more. I tried so hard to mask my identity. I didn't realize my abbreviation for Epignosis was idiosyncratic. :[

It's funny people thought K2 was Sloonei, I wrote a lot of my K2 posts while reading posts other players were making during the night, and Sloonei's posts ended up being a main focus since he posted at the night the most. I ended up abandoning most of my K2 thoughts almost immediately as soon as the main topics of the day became clear.

I missed sending my pm in time on Night 3 or whatever cus I was editing it and looking for a good joke or poem about mountains to include and I got sidetracked and watched Get Out instead.

Oh and thank you Marmot for an excellent game.

Nice. I'm glad we didn't have to lunch dunya.

Speed what was your deal?

What was everyone's roles? I was K2.

nijuu good or bad, you replaced into a tough situation in this game and i'm glad your response to adversity is to post a lot of pictures of cute and weird mammals. I hope we can play together again soon.

I had to listen to the video to be sure that the real lyrics weren't "marmot" and "mountain"

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:34 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:20 pm I don't call people civ because other people said they're civ. I don't call people scum because other people said they're scum.

I have to see it and feel it for myself.

Nice stab, but you won't convince me. I care more about hard logic than any feeling I get when reading people. Because hard logic is measurable, while gut feeling is very inaccurate. I only use the later when the former fails to solve my problem.

it wasn't a stab, it was an observation of my methods for Kyle. I totally understand why you said what you did now.

Oh, I didn't realize that was addressed to me.

hey mr speedster what's the current status on ur weird death-wish thing

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:36 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:27 pm so my dreams really don't tell the future?

... nnnnnnooo.

this is the worst revelation of my entire life

so my dreams really don't tell the future?

speed friendo, are your answers also "yes yes no" RE: LC

I mean I actually don't know what you're talking about at all but there's 0 motivation for any 3 people to lie about the same thing any more so I believe you're telling the truth so the specifics don't matter to me.

hmmmm alright. understood. so LC is civ.

3 questions. Please answer with only "yes" or "no" for each.

Is there a reason to believe LC is confirmed civ, outside of Speedchuck's claims?

Is that reason strong? Can it be faked?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:02 pm speed may have ulterior motives, but LC is actually town. in both of your scenarios, LC is not town.

Well... yeah. In order for speed to have lied about LC being town, LC would have to be not town, unless he's only lying about the confirmation aspect.

Target™

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:36 pmGive me one reason why Speed would lie to protect LC.

There is only one baddie left. Not two.

I see two reasons.

1. Indie Speed claims mafia LC as confirmed civ to prevent him from being a lynch Target and ending the game, buying himself time to accomplish whatever task his win condition requires. Opportunity knocks and LC plays along.

2. Mafia Speed bluffs hard to protect himself and remove himself from the lynch priority list by soft-claiming Space Mountain which is actually LC's role, and speed knows this somehow. Speed calls "LC confirmed civ" which takes LC off the priority lynch list and also buys Speed time to do whatever his role is supposed to do to win. LC goes along with it because it appeals to his insatiable thirst for shenanigans.

if the mafia never kills we can just lynch people in a semi-random order until the game ends

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:31 pm It just took reading that day, as I recall. I think we all spelled it out real good.

nijuu mentioned specifically that she understood and agreed with the fact that our final mafia was probably an inactive

of course mafia could be planning to let another kill slip by to make the lynch phases odd numbers of players again but at that point they'd have just put themselves at risk of dying during 1-2 more lynch phases. despite that... they're still going to have to skip another kill at some point or risk losing to a coin flip.

only the word "only" was supposed to be bolded

......... passing on the night 9 kill avoids the scenario where the mafia is up against 2 players at once during a day phase. it avoids the tie scenario. but.... No. Everest is still a thing

d10 - 8
d11 - 6
d12 - 4
d13 - 2 tied lynch due to Sutter Buttes and Inherited Everest counteracting each other

Versus what would have happened if someone died last night....

d10 - 7
d11 - 5
d12 - 3
d13 - 1 mafia win

alright nevermind. i thought maybe it might have been an endgame posturing thing but that doesn't make sense either.

the mafia can only win this game if the last civvie death is by nightkill, which only happens if we have odd number players alive during day phases. Whoever is driving the mafia train right now has to choose not to kill at least once more or their best chance after somehow surviving 3 more cycles is a coin flip.

I think it's still pretty unlikely that we could lose... I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of time til we lynch the right person.

It's not like there's no one alive that couldn't be killed without narrowing down our choices for mafia significantly

Skipping kills at this point is either a move made based on less than the whole picture of the game (nijuu) or just... a very confident move involved in some longer term gambit....I guess?

hmmm..... it could be Quin.

the thing is, with sig gone the strategy of "don't kill anyone to frame the inactives" doesn't really make sense since there.... are no inactives left to lynch.

Nijuu was the next most probable lynch (alongside maybe Speed) regardless of who died on Night 9. So why actively choose not to kill anyone? The only thing accomplished by not killing night 9 is to buy us more time to sniff out the mafia.

There's no benefit to skipping a kill. Sig was civ. Every living player is capable at this point of sending a kill PM and there's no known role blocking abilities or mobile protections, it's possible the mafia triggered a protective role last night again, but based on the night records and sheer number of failed kills(?) any mafia who's been active from the beginning would have to know which players wouldn't be worth attacking by now, or at least have a pretty good idea.

Huh......

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:02 pm so gou means hashtag?

gou betyder antalet nudlar i en pasta.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:58 pm Errrr it means #29

Shut up I liked DBZ a lot as a kid especially the androids still do no shame

ooooohhhhhhh

that's not that bad

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:53 pm I always thought it meant 2095.

that would be nisenkyujuugo

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:52 pm

The truth comes out....

so she's little, and therefore a little mountain. checks out.

CONFIRMED

[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] what does the gou part of your name mean? I've been trying to figure it out. I know the first part means 29 but 29 of what?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:46 amWhy didn't you vote for her then? I've been begging for it. Speed and Long would have been up for a nijuu lynch too.

I had my vote on her for a few hours but it didn't seem like there was the momentum to make it happen.

Also, I was kinda hoping the game would be over after we lynched sig.

"Night 9"

:\

we're not seriously talking about lynching dunya

just positing about how it's *technically* possible for dunya to be mafia in specific circumstances that would mean that Dunya is basically a cool badass trickster.

realistically dunya is probably like #3 on the list of people least likely to be mafia

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:22 amAnd I will never vote to lynch dunya, that's ridiculous.

who's talking about lynching dunya

you wrote:but kyle, you idiot, isn't sig more likely to be mafia, or he at least has a similarly probable chance?

maybe. but I get the feeling from nijuukyugou's posts that she is trying to post the right things to look like how a civvie would look trying to move forward and survive half heartedly

you, again wrote:but kyle! such behaviors are also just regular behavior for how a civvie would act in this sort of situation, it can't be taken as being purely alignment indicative, fuck you kyle, thanks for wasting my valuable time

wow that's actually a pretty good point, thanks for bringing it up, i suppose she is also acting in the way she would if she were authentically disoriented by being flung into this situation like she was, thank you strawman that I made up

still you wrote:so then what makes you think that nijuukyugou's the last wolf?

just a hunch

i'm pretty sure 29gou is mafia

my spider sense is tingling

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:43 pm lmao @ nutella.

sorry, I just found it hilarious Kyle and DDL were still hypothesizing me as scum. Like, come on.

I respect you enough to assume you could secretly be amazingly good at lying.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:27 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:42 pm @Marmot can Sutter Buttes self-target?

Self-targeting is permitted. Sutter Buttes may only target Small Mountains though.

Thank you.

Follow up question: can a solo Sutter Buttes self target twice in a row or would double targetting rules for night powers prevent that despite there being only one viable target remaining?