The Syndicate

LizKeen wrote:

Vompatti wrote:You guys should totally vote for me so my baddie teammates' protective powers whome I have BTSM with won't go to waste!

Then I'd say you're the Millionaire and you've already gained power which means you could have some lynch save so I'm not chancing wasting a vote.



I'm voting DP. I just don't trust that he's got that Elephant Charm from a steal.

Too bad you wasted it anyways by voting DP!
seriously though, I can't believe how many are focusing on this considering there are more ways for him not to be bad and it has alreay been speculated the baddies have a hand in the newspaper.

LizKeen wrote:fs, if you're so sure Sophie is bad why haven't you just gone ahead and voted her?

I always vote late. I have been pressured/annoyed into voting early in the past and I always regret it.

Since sophie has replaced in. not killed.
I need more coffee or something

LizKeen wrote: I was giving Sophie some time becuase she had a lot to catch up. But she's had plenty of time now. She suspects DP and Epi as do I so I'm not finding her all that suspicious yet. I do find fs defending DP and calling out Sophie interesting though.

Someone else has replaced in since Sophie has been killed and have already caught up. She isn't catching up. She is bad and using that as an excuse to not have to post.

I don't find that dorky at all. My aunt used to own a bowling alley. My dad is a league and bowls perfect games. I get the lowest score possible. It seems I didn't get the good bowler genes

I look forward to your thoughts when you get home.

Black Rock wrote:I honestly haven't thought about Sophie at all, or DFaraday for that matter.

Time to start thinking about them!

fingersplints wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:splintsy can you talk about why Sophie is your strongest suspect?

Sure can! Sophie hates to be bad and loves to be civvie. She tries to hide her disappointment but as a result is very quiet when she is a civvie.
I went into this some during RR too where I spent hours reading Sophie in past games. When I did that I noticed that not only is a baddie Sophie quieter, she plays the "confused civvie" card. Kinda like this:

Sophie wrote:so can someone help me understand something im still at loss with a couple of things
host said we could discuss our items, right? maybe im wrong about it
but is in the best interest of us civvies to discuss what we got?
maybe we should all say what we have, it could be easier for us to analize everything
maybe this has been discussed in the 30 pages i havent read yet

can someone help me understand how this item thing works exactly cause i still dont fully get it. i have something that it seems completely useless but it might make sense if i comment it here? what about other peoples? has this been discussed?
helpç

This game she has contributed little. Buddy'd up to Golden like this:

Sophie wrote:

Golden wrote: Having said that, I don't know that I would ever NK bf on night one. Not unless there was a reason I really had to. And he's just my best mafia bud. So I do understand there is some legitimacy to that argument.

Im not your best mafia bud?

She has also twice specifically asked dfaraday for his opinion, saying that she knows him from RM. There are many more that she hasn't asked for the opinions of that she has played with more. like me, SVS, BR, LC, juliets, Dom, rabbit, etc etc. ALL of these people played on RM when Sophie did and were more active then df.
If I am correct and Sophie is bad, I will be looking at dfaraday next.

that should say she is quiet when she is a baddie.

Turnip Head wrote:splintsy can you talk about why Sophie is your strongest suspect?

Sure can! Sophie hates to be bad and loves to be civvie. She tries to hide her disappointment but as a result is very quiet when she is a civvie.
I went into this some during RR too where I spent hours reading Sophie in past games. When I did that I noticed that not only is a baddie Sophie quieter, she plays the "confused civvie" card. Kinda like this:

Sophie wrote:so can someone help me understand something im still at loss with a couple of things
host said we could discuss our items, right? maybe im wrong about it
but is in the best interest of us civvies to discuss what we got?
maybe we should all say what we have, it could be easier for us to analize everything
maybe this has been discussed in the 30 pages i havent read yet

can someone help me understand how this item thing works exactly cause i still dont fully get it. i have something that it seems completely useless but it might make sense if i comment it here? what about other peoples? has this been discussed?
helpç

This game she has contributed little. Buddy'd up to Golden like this:

Sophie wrote:

Golden wrote: Having said that, I don't know that I would ever NK bf on night one. Not unless there was a reason I really had to. And he's just my best mafia bud. So I do understand there is some legitimacy to that argument.

Im not your best mafia bud?

She has also twice specifically asked dfaraday for his opinion, saying that she knows him from RM. There are many more that she hasn't asked for the opinions of that she has played with more. like me, SVS, BR, LC, juliets, Dom, rabbit, etc etc. ALL of these people played on RM when Sophie did and were more active then df.
If I am correct and Sophie is bad, I will be looking at dfaraday next.

rabbit8 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:APerson is easy to lie low as a baddie because he doesn't post enough to give anyone an idea either way usually. MP had a similar outburst like he just did in RR. I think it's unlikely he would pull that twice in a row, but I didn't have either of them down as a civvie so I have my eye on both you and bass as I said. I also said I doubted I would be voting either of you.
People don't regularly change places, so that whole situation is weird to me. I wouldn't say either of you are high up on my suspicion list, but I don't have strong civvie vibes yet either

Linki rabbit is every person making a case? I haven't seen you laying down massive cases either. mafia is people reacting to one another

I never said make a massive case. Reading what I write would be nice.

Speaking of you suspicion list, what is it? You never actually accuse anyone but low posters, well done. Anyone can do that.

I have read what you wrote. Actually I just went through all your posts. Most of them are a few liners and questions to other people. These are both baddie tactics according to you, therefore you are bad.

I already said that my strongest suspect is Sophie. I have accused others who haven't been low posters. But again this is also the pot calling the kettle black since you are going after low posters now yourself.

Sophie wrote:But if someone gets killed and the next day this said person gets the dead person object, what would that mean?

It is not the next day. BR was killed N1 and on day 4 DP might have the item. (this is to say if the newspaper is even accurate, which has already been called into question) This means there were three nights of item swapping possible.

Black Rock wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Sophie wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

LizKeen wrote:BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?

I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.

Doesnt baddies obtain the item from people they kill? You had the elephant charm now he haves it: probably a baddie

There is also a civvie thief and neutral- probably civvie friendly thief to account for as well. Objects have been changing hands in ways other then the kill.

It's true, that's if they stole it before I was killed on N1 though. It could have happened, maybe not.

no, not necessarily. Either of those roles could have stolen it from your killer.

Sophie wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

LizKeen wrote:BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?

I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.

Doesnt baddies obtain the item from people they kill? You had the elephant charm now he haves it: probably a baddie

There is also a civvie thief and neutral- probably civvie friendly thief to account for as well. Objects have been changing hands in ways other then the kill.

APerson is easy to lie low as a baddie because he doesn't post enough to give anyone an idea either way usually. MP had a similar outburst like he just did in RR. I think it's unlikely he would pull that twice in a row, but I didn't have either of them down as a civvie so I have my eye on both you and bass as I said. I also said I doubted I would be voting either of you.
People don't regularly change places, so that whole situation is weird to me. I wouldn't say either of you are high up on my suspicion list, but I don't have strong civvie vibes yet either

Linki rabbit is every person making a case? I haven't seen you laying down massive cases either. mafia is people reacting to one another

I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

Do what you want. voting me would be a waste of your time

Care to give a reason why?

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote: Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan

Would that require that person to have a safe, though?



I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?

What specifically do you find suspicious about DP? I am not suspicious of him at all for the record.

I do not think that SVS is Zomba's teammate. It makes no sense for her to have gone so aggressively after her at the start of the day if she was. I truly believe she changed her mind.

golden

Elohcin wrote:I understand now, thank you.

No problem. Glad I could help.

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?

No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.

Why do you want them to have it?

why wouldn't he want them to have it? A neutral team of 5 is a great ally to the civvies. I'm not surprised LC wants to show them he is their friend.

rabbit8 wrote:

LizKeen wrote:I think the simple solution is we're going to have to come up for new words for theory and Possibility, for clarification purposes.

Speaking of which, has anyone theorized the possibility the millionaire could gain more power to recruit?

I have a theory that Vomp may be the Millionaire.

Is this serious that you think Vomps is the Millionaire?

Golden wrote:Who voted zombs first? Whoever it was, I'm interested to hear if they got an item. Since SVS apparently didn't either. LK's theory of baddies being able to transfer items between them could be put to the test.

Dom

Elohcin wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?

14 people voted for one or the other. I would be very surprised to find out that Vomp was also bad. I'm still not even sure how he got 7 votes.

Well I think that makes more sense then assuming all of Zomba's teammates voted to save her after she threw her vote away early on APerson. I doubt her teammates bothered to save her at all.

So you think they just said, "to hell with Zomba"?

Mafia rarely all vote to save one of their own this early in the game. There was the will thing early, and now the newspaper. So it is conceivable that the mafia decided to sacrifice her. I don't think it was personal, but yea, I do not think they tried hard to save her.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?

14 people voted for one or the other. I would be very surprised to find out that Vomp was also bad. I'm still not even sure how he got 7 votes.

Well I think that makes more sense then assuming all of Zomba's teammates voted to save her after she threw her vote away early on APerson. I doubt her teammates bothered to save her at all.

Excellent result. I'm never letting anyone change my mind about Zomba again. Two games in a row

I get why us Vomps voters looks suspicious. but I know I am not bad, and I doubt all the others are either.

Sorry for busy making dinner and stuff.
Voting Vomps

I have considered it.

something is off about him. I think Epignosis is right, and that a civvie LC isn't this narrow minded. I don't know what to make of it. and as I said before, I think he had the most to gain from silencing TH.

I could be down with a vomps vote too. I don't think MM had any information that TH was bad, and I don't know why Vomps would say it seemed like he did. plus he is admitting to not bothering to read. I don't agree with zombas low posting = not reading (like say in the case of bwt) but this one is clear
Problem is with that vote we may get a baddie but chances are he is probably just a dangerous uninterested civvie

Also my phone autocorrected MP to no

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Epi, rather than asking you questions, can you link me in a vowelfree fashion to your thoughts on LC and MovingBass?

I see TH has voted for LC. I agree with Golden about Zomba, I don't love what she's saying, but when I really thought about it, I don't think she has BTSC.

N "lnk." pgnss plgzs, S~V~S. Cn Gldn hlp?

LC's bssssd wth m. pgnss cnnt ndrstnd hs tnnl vsn. pgnss hs nvr wtnssd ths bhvr frm LC bfr. Ths mks pgnss thnk LC hs nfrmtn rgrdng pgnss, bt sppsng LC ds, t's wrng.

MP gt rplcd, s pgnss thnks h ws bng hnst whn MP ws frstrtd. Thrfr pgnss thnks Bss = nt bd.

No "link." Epignosis apologizes. Can Golden help?

LC's bssssd with me. Epignosis cannot understand his tunnel vision.Epignosis has never witnessed this behavior from LC before. This makes Epignosis think he has information regarding Epignosis, but supposing LC does, it's wrong.

No got replaced, so Epignosis thinks he was being honest when MP was frustrates. therefore Epignosis thinks bass = not bad

Idk what bssssd is. I have to look back on Epi some more. I still think LC sounds worse to me then Epi

Did Vomps give a reason for his TH vote? I'm used to Vomps being kind of out there as a player, but I'm just a little surprised he would vote a silenced player without giving a reason. (Unless I missed the vote. There has been a lot going on)

Zombarella wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Who isn't reading the thread?

Apparently you because I named at least one name in my last post.

you said "so many people". surely you can name more than one if you want to use it as part of your defense.

Who isn't reading the thread?

S~V~S wrote:Liz I am having problems thinking a bad team would be soo obvious. Which leads me to frame. Also way obvious. He'd ssplodes. Boom.

I don't think Zimbabwe is silenced since I don't think she has been here to pick up her PM if she was. I am much more inclined to vote her than you at this stage, Liz.

Ha ha that should be Zomba, but I left the autocorrect since its funny.

I'm not sure I want to give her a pass because the night actions may have been obvious. Her posts are super sketchy without even considering that. I am ok with either of these ladies. I don't think LC should be let off the hook yet either. He had a lot to gain by silencing TH. Whether or not this was a set up I do not know

I am here and not silenced. I agree it is likely TH who has been silenced.Not sure if Liz's responses are making me feel any better, but am willing to consider others as well

I take it back. I'm feeling alright about Epi too
I think some great points have been made about Liz. I don't agree on her case on SVS at all, and I felt she was subtly trying to stir up suspicion on me, so I wasn't feeling great about her. but this has definitely given me things to think about

Long Con wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:So, do you think that LizKeen said the Eartubes thing about Zomba in order to deflect suspicion from her, because they're baddie teammates?

If so, do you think TH is a baddie teammate of Zomba, because he defended her?

Do you think that?

Not sure why he is playing coy. If he thinks you're bad I think he should come out and say it.

It was more informative to me to find out what someone else thinks, rather than just blurting into the thread what I think. I think I've said it before, I don't think TH is a baddie. I do think Epignosis is one.

what about for the rest of us? it's informative for us to know what you think as well

I think TH is alright. I don't have any take on Epi atm

Tl;dr= too long; didn't read

I'm sticking with Clark Street.

Were you bad then, LC?

Welcome bass, bye Bea and good luck with the job <3

Sometimes people need a break, MP. It's unfortunate you didn't realize it before, but it happens to the best of us. I don't think TH was trying to be rude or snarky to you. Hopefully llama can find a replacement and we can all move along

linki lol SVS

I just read it all. I don't agree with it though and I am not seeing the same thing from TH's posts that you are.

LizKeen wrote:

S~V~S wrote:OK, I saw something too :)And then he says "Both" and lauches into his cases against Bullz & TH. He only really addressed his consistent point of addressing all of his posts to Golden when Juliets asked him a direct question.

This was the first thing that struck me; that BF was seriously buddying Golden. Then he brought up that Millionaire thing. The more I have gone over that, the less innocent it seems to me.

I want to hear what Splints thinks of this, as well as Golden. I could be reading more into this than there is. But that was what caught my eye.

You don't seem 100% sold on bf at this point and I'm wondering why Splints is the is the opinion you want most.

I can probably answer this if SVS hasn't already. I know bf very well. I hosted him the first game he ever played. I cohosted with him the first game he ever hosted. I have played a lot of the games he has played with him. And we are friends.

LizKeen wrote:Also, fingersplints, you just seem to keep floating in and out making brief comments. I know you're busy, but you were far more vocal in the Zelda game when you were civvie. I'd like to get some others players thoughts on you since I don't have a plethora of past history to go on.

I generally make brief comments. I have never been a lengthy poster.
If you remember the Zelda game you would know I was far less invested in the beginning of that game as well. 've already pointed this out once this game, but I will say it again. I have a harder time keeping up in larger games with more complicated mechanics. You can choose to believe me if you wish, but loads of people here can probably back this up.

Plus I think MM is obviously bad, so there isn't that much to talk about. People are going in circles about the same things. I need some results before I can figure out how I feel about some of these other people.

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, would you recommend a lynch for Turnip Head today? Do you think Turnip Head is bad?

Absolutely. Fuck that guy. He needs to go.

In fact, I've been watching him carefully. He's been agreeing with me like Basmati rice. He just says whatever he thinks I want to hear. I would love to see him probed on the Montel show. I would like to see his reaction to learning that he is, in fact, not the father, and then we should take him outside and beat hell out of him for being so evil. Yes, I think Turnip Head is bad.

I'm a little confused by this. You think TH is bad but you voted MM?
or maybe this was sarcastic. Sometimes I miss the jokes

MovingPictures07 wrote:You know what? I'm definitely trying a new approach this game. I think I might already know who I'm going to vote for. Not sold yet though, and I'd rather fully catch up.

Instead of saving all my thoughts for one big long post, I'm going to break up my thoughts, and post them periodically.

Sorry I just thought that was funny because I am trying the opposite approach with this post. I like little posts

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks, MM. To be clear, I don't actually suspect S~V~S right now (I honestly don't know what to think yet), but I can't help but be pinged by something she says practically every game. :P

I have been reading this as her civvie game. I do not see a baddie SVS having gone so aggressively after bf day 1.

I am going to go ahead and vote MM now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:MM seems most suspicious to me. None of his posts seem like the civvie MM that I know.

If you're going to draw comparisons to "civvie MM", would you mind explaining what that means please? What would the civvie MM that you know do?

You are loads more aggressive this game then what I have seen from your civvie game in the past. I think TH has made some interesting points on you as well.

I also don't think I said BR and bye to wolfy and hello to DP.

Canucklehead wrote:Is anyone feeling leery about Dom? He's got that BUTTY/snappy quality to his posts this game that reminds me of Film Directors. He was a bad baddie then, and It pinged me in that game, too, but he assured me (and I gullibly beleived him) that it was b/c of real life busyness and mafia exhaustion.....
But now that I'm seeing it again, I'm feeling cautious about it. I seem to remember Dom being one of the funnier/jokier players of the old crew....so maybe I just don't know how to rea new Dom? I dunno, but is like to hear others' thoughts before I dig too hard into Dom as a suspect.

I haven't seen anything suspicious, but I tend to read Dom as a civvie so not sure I am the best to ask.

Something feels different about LC, but I've seen him have all kinds of roles and it doesn't remind me of any of them, so I'm really not sure what to make of it.

MM seems most suspicious to me. None of his posts seem like the civvie MM that I know.

Zomba, most of the people in RR who were low posters and bad are generally fairly low posters though. I guess you'd have to be more specific with whose low posting is bothering you and then we could see if that is normal for that player or not.

Linki: now that RR is over you will hear more from me. but I have a hard time keeping up in big games with weird mechanics, so don't expect me to be as vocal as RR.

Yea, I'm kinda surprised MM has continued to self vote despite the fact that it has been pointed out numerous times how anti-civvie this behavior is.