The Syndicate

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:56 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:53 pmmom please
anything for you bubsie. You can thanks @fingersplints for the awesome idea.

Good game all!

I had a moment earlier tonight when I began to doubt Wilgy off something he posted, but then really too late to change and then I fell asleep.

Definitely wasn’t getting there on Sean. I guess the biggest takeaway from this is whenever Sean seems his most townie, he’s almost certainly bad haha

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:26 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:23 pm I guess i should vote epi in order to save myself, on the off chance i am wrong about seanzie. At least i am certain that i am town
Do you actually have any takes on me and/or Fingersplints? You've thrown our names around as scum a lot, but never really said why you think this for either of us.
Splintz voted me which sparked reciprocity. It seemed to me that Seanzie pushed narrative against my likely town prospects, first dennis and then epi. My vote on epi at the moment is only to save myself . If I can convince dennis and splitz to change we can shift the tide.

I voted for you today after you voted for me and ignored when I asked why.

Idk someone change my mind if they have better ideas

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:06 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:54 pm @falcon45ca @Epignosis @SixStrings @DrWilgy @Dennis You're all voting single-vote wagons 4 hours before EoD in ELO.

This is not an okay thing.

Can you either get in here and make the case for your wagon, or can you coalesce? A single townie voting off-wagon today can lose it for us, so we really need to fix this.
I mean you weeere voting with me (insert rolling eyes emoji here)
If Six is mafia, who are their teammates?

I’m still going six/epi/Dennis for the team
Nothing happened to change my mind this far this day

There isn’t a hammer this game, right?

[VOTE: SixStings] aubergine

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:53 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:43 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 2:11 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:09 am Keep in mind we are in ELO everyone, which means that if even one townie votes wrong or the townies split between two wolves, wolves can stack and win. As such, we really need to coordinate our votes and it is especially important to be around near EoD so we can make sure there aren't any vanity votes. We have a little under 24 hours.
I understand that we need to coordinate. I don't understand ELO, but more importantly your post has flipped my vote as most likely to be wolf from you to splintz. Sadly my game is not all that multi faceted yet. Either you are genuine in your desire to bring town cohesion OR it was a great sales pitch.
ELO means "elim or lose", i.e. we are in a gamestate in which we absolutely MUST flip a wolf today or we insta-lose at EoD (sleep or miselim loses).
thanks for that
I don't think FS is the vote today.
you may be right. the votes are all over the place.

Why aren’t you answering why you are voting for me?

SixStrings wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:23 pm [VOTE: Fingersplintz] aubergine

Care to give any reason you suspect me as I believe this is the first you have mentioned it?

I do want to say that although I very clearly think you are a wolf, I do love the mafia player you have become @Dennis
You really hold your own

What point am I ignoring? That this game is low posting so it people’s end of game play style can’t be compared to past games for reference?

Correct me if that is inaccurate and not what you are saying but if it is I disagree, and again I think you are saying that to push your faked suspicion of me as it’s pretty clear this game and my posting the end of last game we played together as mafia are as different as night and day. But that game was also low posting, so how do you explain the difference then?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:48 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:34 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:25 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:52 pm

Then why didn't you say that before

Feels like you just wanna fit in until I flip and game ends now

I don't post every thought in my head, or how I'm reading a player. This is known.

Can you point to any games of mine where I, as Maf, start off slow and then ramp up my activity?
Probably not but I don't see why that really matters

Especially in a slow game like this where somehow I have like 3rd top poster

Wait, so part of your read is now that I'm playing anti-meta for the first time as Maf?

If I'm misunderstanding, help me.
No I mean, I don't exactly see how that is AI

I guess I was like very subtly asking for an explanation on how it is

You don't find playing within, or completely outside of, meta AI?

That's...unusual. So, if at anytime a person in your life, Maf or IRL, does something that is 100% out of character for them...you don't find that odd?

Conversely, if a person in Maf or IRL does something that you routinely expect them to do...you find that normal, I'd assume?

How is playing in a manner that is so antithetical to their normal approach NOT AI? It totally is, it doesn't mean it's 100% guarantee, but of course it's AI, and it's a major part of how many, many, many reads this game have been approached
Not quite what I meant

Something more like, this game has been pretty low posting/wim/whatever you want to call it. So when people show up and start posting a lot more, meta doesn't matter as much as the current game in specific for reads imo, so being more active as wolf than normal doesn't really mean much

Ya follow? Was that hard to understand I might've explained poorly

Seems wolfy convenient to disregard what you know of people’s general game style because it doesn’t fit accusations this game.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:37 pm I feel a lot better about Falcon today than I did yesterday.

FS

Wilgy
Falcon

Six

Epi

Dennis

Did I miss anyone?

Epi made a good point about SixStrings yesterday feeling lost, and therefore townie. At the time that resonated with me, but now I am not so sure.

Dennis/Epi/Six

Dennis/Epi/Wilgy

Dennis/Six/Falcon

Dennis/Six/Wilgy

Dennis/Falcon/Wilgy

I have a hard time seeing a world where Dennis is not a wolf, but if I do a trustfall maybe Epi/Six/Wilgy? I feel like Falcon/Epi are never w/w here and I am okay leaving FS out of potential teams, so I'd guess one of these is exactly the team, and this is more-or-less sorted from most to least likely

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:08 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:01 pm Splints/falcon/six final answer

What's your take on Sean, the other player voting your wagon?
I really tried to iso him and I almost fell asleep

He's towny enough with that massive post naming like 7 teams with me, but still willing to consider at least one team without me

There are 0 world where he should be the chop today

How do you feel now?

Cuz if that's your rationale, I have already said I have tinfoil on Sean & Wilgy...so yeah, I don't think it's impossible for you to be town, just like Sean...but you're treating us very differently

Interesting as Dennis has previously stated he has issues with OMGUS
Why not Sean?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:00 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:57 pm You know the game. I yell names. Everyone responds with town or wolf only.

EPI
SPLINTS
SIX
Town
I'm biased on this one I can't control the omgus I think
Scum

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:55 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:33 am His game is completely different from his town game. He is shit stirring instead of actual solving, like when he said Rox and I were fighting so needed to decide between those two. His posts are a bit too jokey in nature for this late in the game. Plus all the kills make sense from a Dennis/wolf scenario
I explained why I wanted to decide between you two, and you ignored me so if you wanna keep pushing that have fun

Sorry, I'll turn off my personality and start depression posting now cause we're gonna lose. I don't see why I can't try to have some fun still

Explain why all of the kills make sense then

Suspecting/threat to you. SVS is a close family friend. Rox’s last post was about you. I admit I didn’t think about the lemon aspect too much here. Sorry my bad on that one but I bet if I look back it fits

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:01 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:49 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:56 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:52 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:42 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:00 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:22 am Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

I am off this day but it’s un game related.
I disagree with most everything you say except I’m getting the same vibe from six. Trying to give him BoTD as new player but hard to ignore
@Roxy and splints, is it common for you two to disagree as town? From my understanding you two generally see eye to eye so I wonder what this could mean
They aren't disagreeing at all

They've stated a disagreement but than Splints went and basically made the same PoE

It's distancing bb
Am I missing something

Though I did forget splints reads list so maybe I should figure that out but it looks like the only part they agree is six
Dennis says here that the only think me and Rox agree on is Six. Because he is pushing the narrative that we are fighting and that’s weird for us
But notice how he doesn’t mention this at all again while neon and I squabble about me copying Rox
I guess I probably did push that narrative on accident but none of you are listening to me clearly since I said giving myself a sorta tunnel vision helps me focus and you don't have to follow me

Did I say anything while neon and you fought? Cause I don't remember that even happening and I doubt I was in thread for it

It was happening at the time you claimed I was fighting with Roxy

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:26 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 12:15 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:14 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 pm Who has treated my slot the scummiest - a question for everyone

I would say Falcon

He came in complaining about being lost or disconnected or whatever and just grabbed onto me as Roxy and splints jumped me, then said I was stirring the pot while also just stirring the pot himself

I am snapvoting anyone who unironically tells me to stop OMGUSing without also telling me what there is to talk about other than myself

You are playing a very similar game to your last Maf game, as in there are posts, but no true solving.

What I meant by calling you a pot stirrer is that I dint see any solving...no pushing, no real reads...lots of recaps and "yeah, but also" that don't actually push any reads or try and make any connections really.

It's safe. You're playing a very safe game.

Are you town? Then show me, help solve
Mmh okay I understand. I think I know why you're seeing that but I don't want to say

You may as well let it out, we're in MYLO...I don't see why you'd hold back

Because…

Wilgy being alive can be excused atm with “bigger threats”though

Like me being alive, I can almost guarantee the mafia team did not expect me to work so hard to solve today. Especially if I am correct with Dennis - as I was just teammates with him and quite lazy.

I can waiver on Epi (and barely because I’m stubborn af) but I do not see a world where Dennis and six aren’t mafia

So the reality is if we broaden the PoE to include “tinfoil
Paranoia” who is the most likely to be a hit?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:58 am OK, so I don't really see Maf splints solving like this So,

Literally 0% chance lol

SixStrings wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:07 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:29 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine
Based primarily on the last day of comments from Dr Wilgy and Epi, I feel their interactions with Lemonfairy cast enough suspicion for my vote.
yo what
can you quote them and explain which parts you found suspicious?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:29 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:30 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:26 pm [VOTE: Lemonfairy] aubergine
Based primarily on the last day of comments from Dr Wilgy and Epi, I feel their interactions with Lemonfairy cast enough suspicion for my vote.
This of course is subject to change, and I realize that it also does not help with any consensus as we have all voted for different people so far.
who else do you suspect aside from me then?
I don't think 6String ever address this?
you are correct I did not address. At that time I had had Dennis as a person of interest . I needed to further my convictions before elevating him and naming him as bad.

Hedgy
“Dennis may be bad but I can’t elaborate why atm”

SixStrings wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:59 pm
SixStrings wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:57 pm [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
Would you share your reasons with the group please?
My vote for Dennis had three factors 1} Earlier Dennis made an "everyone thinks Strings is bad" comment so jump on the band wagon. This comment was observed by others, then somewhat retracted afterward. 2}Dennis has shown as likely bad in several lists. 3} Dennis voted me as bad, which feels like an easy hit with little basis that I am aware of.

Distancing

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:31 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:38 pm [VOTE: dennis] aubergine for fun
??
Lmfao I forgot that happened ngl I thought he moved it

“For fun”

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:03 pm Roxy come back I need you to fight with splints

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:56 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:52 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:42 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:00 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:22 am Dennis - feels ok
DrWilgy - feels off but yet still ok
splints - feels off since the start off this day
Epignosis - feels ? but I am extremely unsure
falcon45ca - feels ok
Lemon - feels ok
Neon - is bad
SixStrings - is probs bad
Matahari - feels ok but I am unsure
Seanzie - feels ok

so for me Neon, Six, and splints, Epi

I am having a heller Monday with lots of meeting, one firing and a shit ton of paperwork. I'll try to be around when I can.

I am off this day but it’s un game related.
I disagree with most everything you say except I’m getting the same vibe from six. Trying to give him BoTD as new player but hard to ignore
@Roxy and splints, is it common for you two to disagree as town? From my understanding you two generally see eye to eye so I wonder what this could mean
They aren't disagreeing at all

They've stated a disagreement but than Splints went and basically made the same PoE

It's distancing bb
Am I missing something

Though I did forget splints reads list so maybe I should figure that out but it looks like the only part they agree is six

Dennis says here that the only think me and Rox agree on is Six. Because he is pushing the narrative that we are fighting and that’s weird for us
But notice how he doesn’t mention this at all again while neon and I squabble about me copying Rox

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:23 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:39 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:26 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 9:09 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 11:32 am Wow a lot of my saved posts were fluff

I guess everything important was in that first post
wait, Dennis
can you post a reads list for me pls and ty
Not gonna lie I didn't really think much before and Neon is lower than I said when I answered seanzie, but not my first chop

They're not ordered within groups

Lemonfairy
Roxy
DrWilgy

fingersplints
Epignosis
falcon45ca

Neon
SixStrings
Matahari

Seanzie
ty
hmmm can you talk to me on Wilgy, Epi and Seanzie (if you've explained one or more of these, just skip them b/c I have bad memory)
Wilgy has always been a sort of easy read for me (actually I've never played with his as mafia. I'm terrified now) and nothing is out of line. He did his little wagonomics thing too which I always like from him. Kinda underwhelming for the top group I know but it is what it is

Epi v seanzie read like a difference check to me. Maybe I'm too quick to call something that isn't w/w a difference check but I do think there's a wolf in there. In their argument epi held his cool while seanzie wasn't really consistent, and backtracked on his epi townread as soon as he got pushed

“He could be bad but….
Defends

Like this take:

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:56 pm I thought roxy's insistence that splints is lhf was bad

I’m considered LHF most games. My posts can be few and inconsistent

I think the team is Dennis/epi/six

I’ve made clear my stance on Dennis this was just a summary

*no need to pocket anyone

Lol I like your healthy suspicion but I have I need to pocket anyone.

His game is completely different from his town game. He is shit stirring instead of actual solving, like when he said Rox and I were fighting so needed to decide between those two. His posts are a bit too jokey in nature for this late in the game. Plus all the kills make sense from a Dennis/wolf scenario

If Dennis is wolf, his teammates can be Epi, six, and falcon? Gotta look up the comparability on the last. Going off memory atm

Hmm I kind of want to do an exercise for all alive like

If X is a wolf who are their teammates

It’s end game this period yes? So I want to land on the most logical person

Roxy went after Dennis hard

Also noting her suspicion of seanzie here

Also [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

@DrWilgy seanzie may have been on each misyeet but his thread activity screams town. I need more than bad votes to suspect someone at this point. I suspected and voted for both neon and Mata, and I am town. It’s ok to be wrong

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:39 am Immediate observations:
The D1 Neon wagon being pure is gross and means that wolves stacked on Falcon OR Syn. I just realized Falcon didn't have a vote d1 and that skews things slightly.

Still at least 1 in Seanzie, Splints, Dennis based on Neon D2

I see a difference check between Dennis and Six.
A. Dennis is W and the wagon is Pure (would make sense as Splints is still likely town).
B. Dennis is T and the wolf on board has to be Six.

Potential of 2 on Mata D3.

Seanzie has been on each misyeet.

I feel like you keep saying you are pretty confident in a town read of me but then adding me to these “one of these is wolf scenarios”
What gives

Roxy I will avenge you ilybiwayeiacauf

There was a bunch of talk when SVS died as to who would have killed her, but I feel that the same attention hasn’t been given to why has lemonfairy been killed. Thoughts anyone?

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

@Roxy
Seanzie
DrWilgy

falcon45ca

Epignosis
SixStrings

Matahari
Dennis

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:36 am
@fingersplints - I hope I am not wrong about you. <3 Who do you think will be the best choice for a baddie elim? Maybe put them in some sort of order.

Mata or Dennis

my dad just arrived today so a bit busy

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:05 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:03 pm But I think we need to start looking more at “who is the team” bigger picture to solve atm

Anyone want to GTH reads? Who is the team?
I can't agree with that. When you can't find one, how are you finding the bunch? We get one lynch at a time. That's all we are afforded. Focus on one, get that one, and then go from there.

So you think there is no benefit to considering who a player is compatible with pre flip?

I was honestly just teammates with Dennis and I find his inability to consider compatibility with other players completely disingenuous.

@Dennis ok, let’s say you think falcon is most suspicious, but the thread proves falcon is literally only compatible with maybe one person or no one. However your lesser suspect, Epi, is compatible with many people.
See why that’s of value to consider? We don’t only have one player to find. We have three.

Back to Dennis

@Dennis - this game is relatively low posting. Why would contemplating theoretical teams be pointless? That’s something regularly discussed. I feel like you are trying to dissuade conversation here. First with your shit stirring either me or Rox post and now this

@falcon45ca no I think Mata is a wolf

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:08 pm Mata, Dennis, Six/Epi not sure really on the last one

Fucking samsies

lmao our PoE’s lined up in the end; neon must have a crystal ball

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:27 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:03 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:37 am I'd like for everyone to chime in on Mata.

It feels weird that we were able to easily see T Mata in Muppets even with the low number of posts, but not this game.

I see a difference between the two Matas but don't know why.
I think she’s bad. She’s careful and calculated with her words. That probably makes her sound sinister lol but no she’s just generally very deliberate in everything she says.

But I think we need to start looking more at “who is the team” bigger picture to solve atm

Anyone want to GTH reads? Who is the team?
Is there really any way to do that without a baddie flip first

It seems kinda pointless but if you think I'm wrong I'm all ears

Yes. Speculation. Like X is likely to be wolf and Y and Z could be teammates but if M was wolf only N is compatible

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