The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:My only goal this game was to not let Turnip Head win, so I was pleased when he was NKed.

I was more than happy to take up the mantle of getting him killed after you died.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:things should never be expected to be pretty clear to me :/

Are you LoRab's partner or not?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm voting Hanna for now. I don't like how inactive and go-with-the-flow Hanna and splints have been, and now that Blue is killing, they're way on the offensive. Smells fishy.

I have not been "go-with-the-flow"

Also, maybe this is true, but your posting frequency seems to have jumped just now too, although not near as to the degree of Hanna's. That comment was really much more directed at her, but I thought it applied to you somewhat too.

Long Con wrote:I'm not a blue, and I don't have the Beatdown.

fingersplints wrote:You have said specifically you are not the player with the kill, but not that you aren't a part of that group.

What? Are you accusing me of trying to sneak past the Lie Detector? Is there a Lie Detect in this game?

That's really stretching it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm voting Hanna for now. I don't like how inactive and go-with-the-flow Hanna and splints have been, and now that Blue is killing, they're way on the offensive. Smells fishy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:This smells fishy to me.

I think it's much more likely LC was aligned with Llama, making him a Green.

It's odd that Hanna, who has voiced little for most of the game beyond just going with the flow, would propose such a line of thinking.

You're still on about that then I do not think LC is a green, since I still disagree that he obviously had btsc with llama. I agree with Hanna that he is more likely on the team with the kill.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why bea, splints?

She has been fairly inactive, yet survived landing on the hotel.
I need to go back over her to see if I see a possible TH connection there. Him having traded off a bunch of stuff is making sense to me. Although, could he have traded off properties as well?

Well, I thought maybe I was wrong about it, but upon reflection it really seems to make sense.

Why do you agree with Hanna so much?

You both appear to be making some kind of power play.

Regarding bea, that's a good point. But didn't she say she won the $50 for every player power earlier?

MovingPictures07 wrote:This smells fishy to me.

I think it's much more likely LC was aligned with Llama, making him a Green.

It's odd that Hanna, who has voiced little for most of the game beyond just going with the flow, would propose such a line of thinking.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why bea, splints?

Long Con wrote:

HannaK wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm not Vermont. I would say Vermont killed TH because he was the most powerful with his hotels. Possibly a frame-up job, which makes me eye HannaK for bringing it up like this.

What makes you say that he was powerful? To my knowledge he was a pinkie and had only one hotel (if his claims about not having other teammates was true) and was the first player to almost go bankrupt in the game?

He also had Indiana Ave with a hotel.

And, fingersplints, Metalmarsh made it clear that Turnip Head had a teammate, surely something drawn from his knowledge as a Utility. We should look back and see who among the living had landed on a Utility, Turnip Head's teammate is among those people. I'm sure that TH would have traded all his properties and prizes to his teammate since he was so much in the spotlight, and had publicly bought a red hotel.

That's the person we need to lynch today.

Long Con wrote:I'm not Vermont. I would say Vermont killed TH because he was the most powerful with his hotels. Possibly a frame-up job, which makes me eye HannaK for bringing it up like this.

Turnip Head wrote:I really think it's MM you guys. He's the one who says with such certainty that I'm a pink, that DF was a railroad... I really don't see anyone else acting as much like Water Works as he has, given which players' roles we know WW has learned.

Turnip Head wrote:I need to go over MM's evidence that bea can't be WW. I've also got BR on my short list. I don't think it's splintsy, because she tried to say Keys was Water Works in order to say I was a railroad.

Long Con wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I agree that MM makes sense to be WW but idk that he would be that obvious if it were true and the missed kill still bothers me with him as well.

Which players currently alive does it NOT bother you to have missed a kill? Is Metalmarsh MORE unlikely to skip/miss a kill than some other player?

'Cause... it happened.

Turnip Head wrote:In just a few cycles, you could be able to run a lynch entirely by yourself. Earlier than that if you have any partners in crime. And if you're on a team that inherits an NK at some point... we're done for.

It's something that everyone should be thinking about.

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:this is red:



Every time you say pink, MM it confuses the crap out of me.

ANd I am so not Waterworks, you are wrong there, although you ARE correct about me not being Red.

Yup

Every time I say pink, I'm talking about the second row, with St. Charles, States, and Virginia.

Now see, I thought you were talking about the reds. I think of those as violet, but OK. Thanks for clarifying. You were mystifying me a bit, since I thought you were talking about a different group. You don't seem to have any theories on the reds. Any ideas there?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Thinking someone made some good points (even if they were wrong, they were still good points) is not "drinking the koolaid".

I don't know how points can be good ones if they are wrong ones, but in any case, the kool-aid comment was because it looked like you were doing the same thing splintsy and MM did: saying that I was saying things I never said. The way you phrased your question to me and pulled up my old quotes, you acted like I was contradicting myself or something, and I just didn't know what you were trying to point out by doing that. I still don't know.

And it's not a problem if splintsy doesn't want to do big quotes and a fleshed out case, SVS. I never said she had to do those things. Okay? The fact of the matter is, splintsy didn't say WHY she thought I was a railroad until after I asked, with 2 or 3 hours left to go in the lynch. In fact, she didn't even say she THOUGHT I was a railroad, all she said was that she thought I was more likely to be a railroad than Water Works, which is not an accusation at all. And she kept asking LC questions, like "Do you think TH is likely to be a railroad or LMS" without giving her own opinion, and I had to ask her how SHE felt because she wasn't saying. And then she said some vague stuff like "Some of my posts and votes" made her suspicious, and I'd simply like to know what that means. Which votes, which posts? I feel these are fair questions for me to want the answers to.

I say most games that I think baddies are more likely to ignore certain posts and hope that people drop things. I feel like if you were a civvie, you would have mentioned that post earlier and questioned why I thought you were more likely to be a railroad. You were asking LOADS of other questions. Why not that one? Maybe you didn't want to draw attention to it.

I have said I think it is unlikely you are waterworks, but I still find it likely you are bad, and I don't see a real change in how you are playing since the game started, and that is why I think you are railroad. This isn't the helpful civvie TH I know. You are asking more questions rather then providing helpful insights. I think you are overexagerating the almost being lynched thing. (You had what two votes?) You are way overdefensive.

Turnip Head wrote:

fingersplints wrote:At work and then spending quality time with my niece who I may not get to see again much before I leave. THs post is too much for my phone posting. So I will try to address it later, however insulting how I play doesn't give me much incentive to want to.

I didn't mean to insult the way you play splintsy. I meant to say that it was bad form to lynch me before Keys since the only part of your case with any specificity to it was the theory that he was Water Works and knew my role. Yet you weren't voting to lynch Keys on those same merits, you went after me instead. That's bad form because it's bad logic and because it left me in a really shitty position where I had to say "well lynch Keys first then and see if he's Water Works". I felt it was somewhat personal that you didn't want to lynch him, even though you thought he was a baddie. It didn't make sense to me and it didn't leave me in a very good position yesterday. And I was pretty upset about that.

None of this is personal. I don't play like that. And actually, I thought you would have known that I really like playing with you TH, so if I was going to go a "personal" route I don't think it makes sense that I would go after you. If I had thought keys was a railroad and you were waterworks, I would have voted keys. I didn't not vote keys because I am married to him. I didn't vote keys because I did not think the role of water works needed to be lynched then and I thought he was waterworks. If I wanted to save keys for personal reasons, wouldn't it have just made more sense to not say anything about him possibly being WW in the first place?

Question for you fingers, why do you think LC has found his other partner by now, but also think that TH is a RR? According to rent income, the last two RR's have not found each other, and TH and LC have been equally as active this game.

Also, TH bought 3 houses last turn, where does that fall into your argument?

I'm not refuting your argument, I want to know what you think about those ideas, because I don't know.

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Thinking someone made some good points (even if they were wrong, they were still good points) is not "drinking the koolaid".

I don't know how points can be good ones if they are wrong ones, but in any case, the kool-aid comment was because it looked like you were doing the same thing splintsy and MM did: saying that I was saying things I never said. The way you phrased your question to me and pulled up my old quotes, you acted like I was contradicting myself or something, and I just didn't know what you were trying to point out by doing that. I still don't know.

And it's not a problem if splintsy doesn't want to do big quotes and a fleshed out case, SVS. I never said she had to do those things. Okay? The fact of the matter is, splintsy didn't say WHY she thought I was a railroad until after I asked, with 2 or 3 hours left to go in the lynch. In fact, she didn't even say she THOUGHT I was a railroad, all she said was that she thought I was more likely to be a railroad than Water Works, which is not an accusation at all. And she kept asking LC questions, like "Do you think TH is likely to be a railroad or LMS" without giving her own opinion, and I had to ask her how SHE felt because she wasn't saying. And then she said some vague stuff like "Some of my posts and votes" made her suspicious, and I'd simply like to know what that means. Which votes, which posts? I feel these are fair questions for me to want the answers to.

Turnip Head wrote:

fingersplints wrote:At work and then spending quality time with my niece who I may not get to see again much before I leave. THs post is too much for my phone posting. So I will try to address it later, however insulting how I play doesn't give me much incentive to want to.

I didn't mean to insult the way you play splintsy. I meant to say that it was bad form to lynch me before Keys since the only part of your case with any specificity to it was the theory that he was Water Works and knew my role. Yet you weren't voting to lynch Keys on those same merits, you went after me instead. That's bad form because it's bad logic and because it left me in a really shitty position where I had to say "well lynch Keys first then and see if he's Water Works". I felt it was somewhat personal that you didn't want to lynch him, even though you thought he was a baddie. It didn't make sense to me and it didn't leave me in a very good position yesterday. And I was pretty upset about that.

Turnip Head wrote:I don't know what you were expecting from me, SVS. Splintsy's suspicion of me was even sketchier than Llama's and she almost got me lynched on false pretenses. Don't see what that has to do with me being LMS or not, either.

Speaking of which, splintsy keeps saying she'll respond to me but hasn't done so. I don't know that I needed a response from her, but it's interesting that she keeps saying she'll do it and then doesn't deliver.

Linki. My poll says :22 as well.

Turnip Head wrote:Splints: because I'm at work you jerk. You threw these accusations up at the last minute. You'll better believe I'll have things to say if I survive this.

And yes I'm defensive. I'm fucking fighting for my life because I've done nothing but defend LC's case all day and now you just tried to get a different lynch train started on me in the final hours without even doing due diligence .

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:No MM. Splintsy's case on me is BASED on Keys flipping Water Works. He wants to quit. Why isn't she voting him FIRST? It would give her case some credibility if he flips WW and poke holes in her case if he's civ. either way it looks like he doesn't want to play anymore. Meanwhile I've been fighting for my life all damn game.

You also think keys is WW, so where does that put your stance on fingers? What if keys is WW, can you still deny fingers' allegations?

fingersplints wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

fingersplints wrote:However, I do agree with you that keys deserves reexamining. I stand by my "keys might be WW" idea. He has missed kills before when I have hosted him, and I think he voted with bwt. And again, there is no reason for him to have tried to outbid me on that rob. I think if he was a civvie he would have let me have it.

Keys didn't vote for BWT. He voted for LC about halfway through Day 3. Epi brought up his case on BWT a little while after that, but Keys did not post again during that lynch.

Then on Day 4, keys posted once ontopic to vote for Hedgeowl, and then rest of his posts that day were trying to outbid splints for the rob power, which he lost.

Night 4 was the night of the missing Water Works kill.

Keys did not post at all from Day 4 up until his one post yesterday (Day 6) where he voted for me.

On Night 6, Water Works killed again.

Is this supposed to argue for or against the idea?

Turnip Head wrote:I'm just pointing out the facts. It looks like Keys was not around for the missed kill, and returned just before last night's kill.

Turnip Head wrote:No MM. Splintsy's case on me is BASED on Keys flipping Water Works. He wants to quit. Why isn't she voting him FIRST? It would give her case some credibility if he flips WW and poke holes in her case if he's civ. either way it looks like he doesn't want to play anymore. Meanwhile I've been fighting for my life all damn game.

S~V~S wrote:Your points make sense as well, and his reaction to your suspicion that he was a rail, and NOT a util was interesting.

I am fairly annoyed that we are less than an hour from the end and so few people have voted. I dislike voting for a higher poster in this situation, but I also think the low posters are more likely to be bored people without partners, aka civs. I think I will vote for TH, and hope he is bad, but I will be OK if he is Light Blue, Red, Yellow or Green as well.